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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1342124 Croatia 04/14/2011 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe. Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years. Presently Rossi says they are manufacturing a 1 megawatt plant composed of 125 modules. Quoting: ~Andariel~This is old news. In the meantime, the device has evolved. Now it is smaller and the plant will be composed of about 300 units, not 125. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1341911 United States 04/14/2011 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imagine 1 per household? Quoting: ~Andariel~Finally done with the power companies slavery yoke. I'm getting one! Last Friday, January 14, we reported about a press conference held in Bologna, Italy in which Professor Sergio Focardi and Eng. Andrea A. Rossi, both of the University of Bologna, announced to the world that they have a cold fusion device capable of producing more than 10 kilowatts of heat power, while only consuming a fraction of that. This is the first public demonstration of a nickel-hydrogen fusion reactor capable of producing a few kilowatts of thermal energy. At its peak, it is capable of generating 15,000 watts with just 400 watts input required. On Saturday, a forum was opened allowing for questions online from around the world. This recent public demonstration alone is is a huge development, but what's more, they also claim to be going into production, expecting to have these available for purchase commercially within a year. This would become the world's first commercially-ready "cold fusion" device. The first units are supposed to ship in three months, with mass production commencing by the end of 2011. Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe. Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years. Presently Rossi says they are manufacturing a 1 megawatt plant composed of 125 modules. In his forum, Rossi wrote: We have passed already the phase to convince somebody. We are arrived to a product that is ready for the market. Our judge is the market. In this field the phase of the competition in the field of theories, hypothesis, conjectures etc etc is over. The competition is in the market. If somebody has a valid technology, he has not to convince people by chattering, he has to make a reactor that work and go to sell it, as we are doing. Inquiries about purchasing are to be directed to [email protected] Rossi estimates that the cost of energy made with this system will be below 1 cent/kWh, in case of electric power made by means of a Carnot cycle, and below 1 cent/4,000 M J in case of thermal power production for heating purposes. That is several times cheaper than energy from fossil fuel sources such as coal or natural gas. According to Rossi, the demonstrated device shown last Friday is their industrial product that is claimed to be reliable and safe. In normal operation it would produce 8 units of output for every unit of input. Higher levels of output are possible, but can be dangerous. They will soon start serial production of their modules. Combining the modules in series and parallel arrays it is possible to reach every limit of power. The modules are designed to be connected in series and parallels. In describing the batch processing operation of the device, he said: "To start up the reactor you have just to turn on a switch. The reactor works with enormous margins of safety, so there is no need of a particular skill. Just follow the instructions. The refueling is every 6 months and will be made by our dealers." Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run continually for two years, providing heat for a factory. Also, the reactors can self sustain by turning off the input, but they prefer to have an input. The device will be scheduled for maintenance every six months. You control it "just as you turn on and off your television set." Here's a video excerpt of the demonstration in Italy last Friday. They allowed six people at a time to go into a smaller room where the equipment was located. The tac, tac, tac sound is made by the water pump, which is a precision dosator. You can see all three videos (in Italian) on the efagroup2010 YouTube channel. Source [link to pesn.com] Demonstration clip I'll believe it when its installed in my home. otherwise... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1341911 United States 04/14/2011 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imagine 1 per household? Quoting: ~Andariel~Finally done with the power companies slavery yoke. I'm getting one! Last Friday, January 14, we reported about a press conference held in Bologna, Italy in which Professor Sergio Focardi and Eng. Andrea A. Rossi, both of the University of Bologna, announced to the world that they have a cold fusion device capable of producing more than 10 kilowatts of heat power, while only consuming a fraction of that. This is the first public demonstration of a nickel-hydrogen fusion reactor capable of producing a few kilowatts of thermal energy. At its peak, it is capable of generating 15,000 watts with just 400 watts input required. On Saturday, a forum was opened allowing for questions online from around the world. This recent public demonstration alone is is a huge development, but what's more, they also claim to be going into production, expecting to have these available for purchase commercially within a year. This would become the world's first commercially-ready "cold fusion" device. The first units are supposed to ship in three months, with mass production commencing by the end of 2011. Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe. Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years. Presently Rossi says they are manufacturing a 1 megawatt plant composed of 125 modules. In his forum, Rossi wrote: We have passed already the phase to convince somebody. We are arrived to a product that is ready for the market. Our judge is the market. In this field the phase of the competition in the field of theories, hypothesis, conjectures etc etc is over. The competition is in the market. If somebody has a valid technology, he has not to convince people by chattering, he has to make a reactor that work and go to sell it, as we are doing. Inquiries about purchasing are to be directed to [email protected] Rossi estimates that the cost of energy made with this system will be below 1 cent/kWh, in case of electric power made by means of a Carnot cycle, and below 1 cent/4,000 M J in case of thermal power production for heating purposes. That is several times cheaper than energy from fossil fuel sources such as coal or natural gas. According to Rossi, the demonstrated device shown last Friday is their industrial product that is claimed to be reliable and safe. In normal operation it would produce 8 units of output for every unit of input. Higher levels of output are possible, but can be dangerous. They will soon start serial production of their modules. Combining the modules in series and parallel arrays it is possible to reach every limit of power. The modules are designed to be connected in series and parallels. In describing the batch processing operation of the device, he said: "To start up the reactor you have just to turn on a switch. The reactor works with enormous margins of safety, so there is no need of a particular skill. Just follow the instructions. The refueling is every 6 months and will be made by our dealers." Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run continually for two years, providing heat for a factory. Also, the reactors can self sustain by turning off the input, but they prefer to have an input. The device will be scheduled for maintenance every six months. You control it "just as you turn on and off your television set." Here's a video excerpt of the demonstration in Italy last Friday. They allowed six people at a time to go into a smaller room where the equipment was located. The tac, tac, tac sound is made by the water pump, which is a precision dosator. You can see all three videos (in Italian) on the efagroup2010 YouTube channel. Source [link to pesn.com] Demonstration clip I'll believe it when its installed in my home. otherwise... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1342117 United States 04/14/2011 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whenever someone comes out claiming they have a working 'free energy' device I just roll my eyes. Real proof is never provided - the REAL proof is you come out and say "Go down to store X, buy this device, take it home, and it will provide you with free energy." You either having a frickin working, production device or you DON'T! Quoting: Charlie FrostLet's assume this is real - if it needs to be refueled every 6 months, how costly is the fuel? Will it be subject to the normal machinations of capitalism and end up prohibitively expensive due to 'supply and demand'? i.e it will end up being just another PSU, albeit portable, with niche market uses because the average person cannot afford it. You missed a lot, maybe intentionally. The OP's post states it is cheaper overall than fossil based fuel energy sources. But that is OK energy shill, cling to your outdated dirty expensive enerngy with your last breath.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1330368 United Kingdom 04/14/2011 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That´s the best test for the device. Quoting: ThePaleOneBring it to the market and sell it. No "patents", no "investors" and all that new age-new energy crap. Get a good producer and let him manufacture the machines and sell them. will never happen. only way it will happen is if the process and blueprints for the device are kept top industry secrets, so that the utility companys can make billions selling you the energy that they after a short time produce for FREE! If you want one in your home then you have to pay a $1000 a month liscence fee! to the government or power companys or the rossi family. we cant have slaves living the good life with no electricity bills. that would be absurd, the profain do not deserve such luxary. |
Least Servant User ID: 1062754 United States 04/14/2011 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When cows are placed in very confining stalls they beat their heads against the walls resulting in injuries and infections thus farmers now give them more room not because they want to increase the freedom of their cows, but rather because they want greater productivity and lower costs." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1029725In case that's too subtle for you. The cows = you and I and everyone. The Farmers=TPTB The Freedom that reduces costs and increases productivity from the "cows"=cheap energy So don't get your hopes too high over this. Trading one master for another, you're still in bondage. The bankers and trader who created capitalism in the 1600's realized that they needed a more efficient form of body politic to maximize the capital advantage. The philosophy of Fundamental Human Rights and the resulting "equality, liberty, fraternity ()" movement has done more to seal the fate of humanity in the long term than any despot, tyrant, or ruling family has ever done. :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1342124 Croatia 04/14/2011 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is from january, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1340895so whats the latest updats on it For latest update please see: [link to www.nyteknik.se] Device has been verified by chief of Swedish sceptics. No fraud detected, so far. Looks promising. |
IK User ID: 1342054 Switzerland 04/14/2011 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe. Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years. Presently Rossi says they are manufacturing a 1 megawatt plant composed of 125 modules. Quoting: ~Andariel~If TPTB have any saying on this we are all toast again. I hope Mr. Rossi does the right thing. yes i too, and i hope he watches his back.. MATERIALITY DOES NOT ATTACK THE BODY OR THE CONCIOUS FUNCTIONING OF THE MIND; IT ASSAILS THE WILL POWER AND DESTROYS THE MORALE..... MANLY P:HALL "After APRIL 24TH 2009, COUGHING = THREAT.QUOTE IK MAY THE GODS HELP THE GODS! ITS HAPPENED ITS TIME MARCH 11 -2011 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144159 United States 04/14/2011 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will get bought and buried. Quoting: Fishy6Tragically, Mr. Rossi will commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 6 times, and then cut himself into 7 pieces with a chainsaw before locking his remains in the trunk of his car and driving into a lake. You forgot the part where he then burns those 7 pieces to ash and bone before locking his remains in the trunk of his car and driving into a lake. His 'suicide' will be reported for one day, and then no longer ever mentioned again. But if 300 Million people for instance go buy the license, and then boot-leg the licenses and technologies.. well then NICKEL will become a more highly controlled substance than U-235 or Pu-238. |
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~Andariel~ (OP) User ID: 1099782 Canada 04/14/2011 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When cows are placed in very confining stalls they beat their heads against the walls resulting in injuries and infections thus farmers now give them more room not because they want to increase the freedom of their cows, but rather because they want greater productivity and lower costs." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1029725In case that's too subtle for you. The cows = you and I and everyone. The Farmers=TPTB The Freedom that reduces costs and increases productivity from the "cows"=cheap energy So don't get your hopes too high over this. Trading one master for another, you're still in bondage. The bankers and trader who created capitalism in the 1600's realized that they needed a more efficient form of body politic to maximize the capital advantage. The philosophy of Fundamental Human Rights and the resulting "equality, liberty, fraternity ()" movement has done more to seal the fate of humanity in the long term than any despot, tyrant, or ruling family has ever done. If it's not one thing then it's another. True freedom is an U-T-O-P-I-A Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144159 United States 04/14/2011 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this is true it would destroy entire industries and countries.. Quoting: KimchiThe middle east would become useless in an instant! Actually, the middle east and all the deserts of the world would could become highly productive industrial and agricultural regions. WATER de-saltination for instance would become very very 'cheap'. It need not destroy industries as much as transform them. |
v3ng User ID: 1001698 United States 04/14/2011 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will get bought and buried. Quoting: Fishy6Tragically, Mr. Rossi will commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 6 times, and then cut himself into 7 pieces with a chainsaw before locking his remains in the trunk of his car and driving into a lake. THIS |
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Least Servant User ID: 1062754 United States 04/14/2011 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this is true it would destroy entire industries and countries.. Quoting: KimchiThe middle east would become useless in an instant! Actually, the middle east and all the deserts of the world would could become highly productive industrial and agricultural regions. WATER de-saltination for instance would become very very 'cheap'. It need not destroy industries as much as transform them. This is an excellent point and also something to consider regarding the fact that it would appear industry is so intent on destroying ALL the fresh water resources on the planet. After the fall, the demand for potable water will most likely be reduced, so the scale will work out for large scale desalination... and if energy can be producted for very cheaply, the economics will work out. :) :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144159 United States 04/14/2011 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COLD FUSION = FREEDOM Quoting: Girl GeniusIt occurred to me that free energy is just a liscense to fuck ourselves over even faster. Who ever hid Telsa's designs from the world probably did it for selfish reasons, but he sparred the world it's inevitable human-culling catastrophy by perhaps 30-40 years or so. Of course, that is assuming humans didn't do any extra evolving in that time, or at least didn't de-evolve to the extent we have seen in the modern era. Free energy+humanoid animals=faster clusterfuck than normal It becomes an interesting thing to consider, if you consider the possibility of every single household or single individual even, comes to have ready access to several Tens of Terra-watts of Electrical Power nearly instantly. It is possible for every single house hold in the world right now to be running a small nuclear fission reactor for their own household's energy generation. Now, why has that not been allowed to happen? Its because, as fire is dangerous, as you get to even higher energy flux densities the power sources get even more dangerous. And it is because mankind as a whole is accident prone and from time to time suffers mental lapses, blackouts, or does just plain brain dead shit without even thinking about it sometimes. Why can't I have a nuclear, Radium, DU, Thorium nuclear battery or four at 9.8Kw/Hour production sitting in my garage or buried in my back yard, for instance? giving me 39.2 Kw/Hr A.C. electricity, 27/7/52 for over 50 years? Why can't everyone? Free unlimited Energy + fallen man = extreme cluster-fuck. Still sometime do a bit of the math... if for instance every human on earth has his own 20 Kw/Hr energy source (zero-point energy radiation tap)... ~6.9 Billion humans round it up to 7 Billion, 7 Billion * 20Kw/Hr = 140 Tw/Hr for the full 20/7/52 electrical energy production by mankind on planet Earth... 140 Terra Watt/ hour... that's energy production levels that belong in Star Trek... lol Now, how many tons of Nickel, Copper, and Hydrogen are required to produce all those power plants with 20Kw/Hr output for all 7 Billion people on Earth? Now much heat (BTUs) can 140 Tw/Hr produce? |
SeraphSirius User ID: 1266830 United States 04/14/2011 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great Post ~Andariel~ ! Spread The Word Gurl =) 5* Interesting that I had zero responses on my NFO + Vids... Thread: Greece & US Give Go Ahead On E-Cat Focardi & Rosi Cold Fusion Device! There is a secret to this land of confusion that is mystery Babylon. The enemy hides everything upside down, the unveiled key of Petros. We are all exiles from the Kingdom of Heaven, ye were once all gods. |
Least Servant User ID: 1062754 United States 04/14/2011 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COLD FUSION = FREEDOM Quoting: Girl GeniusIt occurred to me that free energy is just a liscense to fuck ourselves over even faster. Who ever hid Telsa's designs from the world probably did it for selfish reasons, but he sparred the world it's inevitable human-culling catastrophy by perhaps 30-40 years or so. Of course, that is assuming humans didn't do any extra evolving in that time, or at least didn't de-evolve to the extent we have seen in the modern era. Free energy+humanoid animals=faster clusterfuck than normal It becomes an interesting thing to consider, if you consider the possibility of every single household or single individual even, comes to have ready access to several Tens of Terra-watts of Electrical Power nearly instantly. It is possible for every single house hold in the world right now to be running a small nuclear fission reactor for their own household's energy generation. Now, why has that not been allowed to happen? Its because, as fire is dangerous, as you get to even higher energy flux densities the power sources get even more dangerous. And it is because mankind as a whole is accident prone and from time to time suffers mental lapses, blackouts, or does just plain brain dead shit without even thinking about it sometimes. Why can't I have a nuclear, Radium, DU, Thorium nuclear battery or four at 9.8Kw/Hour production sitting in my garage or buried in my back yard, for instance? giving me 39.2 Kw/Hr A.C. electricity, 27/7/52 for over 50 years? Why can't everyone? Free unlimited Energy + fallen man = extreme cluster-fuck. Still sometime do a bit of the math... if for instance every human on earth has his own 20 Kw/Hr energy source (zero-point energy radiation tap)... ~6.9 Billion humans round it up to 7 Billion, 7 Billion * 20Kw/Hr = 140 Tw/Hr for the full 20/7/52 electrical energy production by mankind on planet Earth... 140 Terra Watt/ hour... that's energy production levels that belong in Star Trek... lol Now, how many tons of Nickel, Copper, and Hydrogen are required to produce all those power plants with 20Kw/Hr output for all 7 Billion people on Earth? Now much heat (BTUs) can 140 Tw/Hr produce? Too much for a tin cup of water. :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
kelsha User ID: 1339314 United Kingdom 04/14/2011 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So let me see if ive got this right IF cold fussion is possible and does happen ALL the fat cats will be fucked up the ass very hard as we will no longer have the need for there expensive fuel and power and all these wars for power and fuel will end and the governments will have a vast amount of money left over due to the reduction in cost for armys also would it not mean the US the people would be richer due to the reduction in the cost of power which would have a knock on effect to everything we buy as the power cost for them would be much less and so make it cheaper for them to make and get to us. Quoting: kelshaSo if i have this right WE the people would have more money not be under the foot of TPTB as much as we are and the TPTB would have a serious ass fucking, Well i just hope i am right and cold fussion does happen so i can personally laugh at TPTB and watch them swan dive out of there office windows :D RUN ON SENTENCE...... Ok fair point but how about an answer or maybe another point of view......................... (just making up for the lack of fullstops in my last post hehe). |
~Andariel~ (OP) User ID: 1099782 Canada 04/14/2011 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great Post ~Andariel~ ! Spread The Word Gurl =) 5* Quoting: SeraphSiriusInteresting that I had zero responses on my NFO + Vids... Thread: Greece & US Give Go Ahead On E-Cat Focardi & Rosi Cold Fusion Device! Thank you. Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1342156 United States 04/14/2011 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will get bought and buried. Quoting: Fishy6Tragically, Mr. Rossi will commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 6 times, and then cut himself into 7 pieces with a chainsaw before locking his remains in the trunk of his car and driving into a lake. Living up to your name i see ;) You're in rare form |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1144159 United States 04/14/2011 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COLD FUSION = FREEDOM Quoting: Girl GeniusIt occurred to me that free energy is just a liscense to fuck ourselves over even faster. Who ever hid Telsa's designs from the world probably did it for selfish reasons, but he sparred the world it's inevitable human-culling catastrophy by perhaps 30-40 years or so. Of course, that is assuming humans didn't do any extra evolving in that time, or at least didn't de-evolve to the extent we have seen in the modern era. Free energy+humanoid animals=faster clusterfuck than normal Geezus, who pooped in your cornflakes this morning? Energy and it's increasing ease of application is directly responsible for the explosion in food production, technology, and increased standard of living for all of the planet. It's been exponential. And introducing a wonderfully destabilizing technology like this would cause a neo-Renaissance, distributing the ability to turn ideas into goods and services in unheard-of variety. Not only that but since the advent of electrical power plants alone, the human population as a whole has gone through a massive population growth, from less than 1 Billion per 1900 A.D. to nearly 7 Billion now... all because of the benefits of electricity for the most part. As Chief Red Cloud observed, "white man is great at producing food but lousy at distributing it", or something like that. How can there still be people starving to death, dying of thirst, freezing to death, or dying of heat exhaustion -- yet in this day and time? And as long as the control of the means of production and even the 'ownership' of the 'lands' in which the raw materials are produced, as long as these remain in the hands of a relatively very small group of people, planet-wide, then these four travesties will continue, even though they could be for the most part avoided. One of the great promises of nuclear fusion, be it 'hot' or 'cold' is not only in the relatively high energy flux density of their energy production in terms of Watts/Cubic Centimeter/Hour but also in the production of the 'daughter products' of such nuclear fusion, that might be commonly called incorrectly 'waste products'. Did I read that correctly that one of its 'waste products' is Copper? One can well imagine would it would do to the precious metals based economic monetary policies, if the waste products were Gold and Silver as well as Copper. Would we not need then to discover an entirely different form of viewing economics and currency than the 'precious metals based' Monetary Policies? Gold is excellent as a currency, where if by nuclear fusion we were producing not only Gw/Hr but Tons of Gold per hour as a by product of nuclear fusion? What then of the 'perceived' Monetary value of Gold? When Gold is as common as the gravel in your yard, it still has "currency value", but it looses all perceived 'monetary value'. The 'credit value' stamped on the face of that gold coin becomes it currency value, not its volume nor weight. Psychical Economic Theory and all economic theory seem to loose it at the point where one asks the question, "Ya, but WHO OWNS THE LAND you stand on, you sleep on?" and for how long does that one own that land? And who owns it next, and for how long. And Who gets to decide who owns what land and the mineral wealth and life-form wealth of that square yard or square meter? Unbind Prometheus... Each Man shall have Fire and plenty of it. But will he then have the Morals to use it in Love? Or will Hate rule his use of fire? |