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*** COLD FUSION IS FINALLY A REALITY ***

 
~Andariel~ (OP)

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+10000 Thank you.
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Do you have any questions? I have been investigating this technology for months.

I am thrilled this thread was pinned!
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Is the generator going to be sold to anyone who can afford it?
Or is it just going to be licensed has they claimed earlier.
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Andrea Rossi has given a license to Defkalion Green Technologies.

[link to www.defkalion-energy.com]

When the one megawatt plant opens in Xanthi, Greece they will also be opening a manufacturing plant producing 300,000 units a year for the Baltic market. A unit is expected to cost 3500 Euro and a generator to turn the steam into electricity will cost about 1500 Euro. The fuel cost to keep the device running will be almost zero.

Andrea Rossi has reserved the rights to the USA. He will be opening a series of power plants here.

He seems a bit more conservative about having these in homes than Defkalion due to safety issues. He sees these as mostly being used by industry in the USA, but eventually he sees them being put in cars, boats, homes, appliances, etc.
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WOW thank you!
Space, the final frontier...or is it?
Knowledge is power
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Problem about the copper evidence is his reactor is full of copper pipes... I'd like this to be true but I will have to wait until October to believe it.
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The reaction and fuel itself is contained in a steel reactor vessel. Water then flows around this reactor vessel but not through it. A copper pipe surrounds the reactor vessel. The contents of the reactor vessel is not exposed to any copper whatsoever.

Even if the reactor vessel was copper (WHICH IT IS NOT) you would still have to account for the HUGE gains of energy over extended periods of time.

For example, this test by scientists from Sweden.

[link to pesn.com]
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If you have any other questions ask them!

I've been researching this tech non-stop for the past few months.
~Andariel~ (OP)

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If you have any other questions ask them!

I've been researching this tech non-stop for the past few months.
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No more questions good sir. SOLD!!
Space, the final frontier...or is it?
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If you have any other questions ask them!

I've been researching this tech non-stop for the past few months.
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No more questions good sir. SOLD!!
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Let me ask you a question....

How can we keep this thread pinned?

It would be a great way to keep people on GLP informed about new information about this technology and make new visitors aware of this technology!
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More on the Energy Catalyzer: Andrea Rossi Says He Has Signed “A Contract of Tremendous Importance” in the USA
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Yes, he has announced that he has signed a contract with a company in the USA to build a series of power plants utilizing the technology. They will make a joint statement as soon as the 1 megawatt plant opens in Xanthi, Greece this October. At the same time, he will release the full theory of the device's operation.

If anyone has not done so, check out the latest test of this technology. It was validated by the chairman of the SWEDISH SKEPTICS SOCIETY.

Here is the link.

[link to pesn.com]
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cool, huge announcement in about free energy for the world then we get smashed by comet elenin. can't wait for october.
~Andariel~ (OP)

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If you have any other questions ask them!

I've been researching this tech non-stop for the past few months.
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No more questions good sir. SOLD!!
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Let me ask you a question....

How can we keep this thread pinned?

It would be a great way to keep people on GLP informed about new information about this technology and make new visitors aware of this technology!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1233419


Only way to do it is for registered members to have it on their personal pin folder.
General public pins are taken down around midnight.
I however have bookmarked all the links you have provided for future references.
Thank you for your input, I'm now going offline for a bit.

Andariel
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There will be a great energy revolution coming up, much the same way the industrial revolution occurred.

Many people will be left behind and be forced to catch up once it takes off.

Physics as modern science understands them are very flawed.

This will be just ONE of the MANY new devices with NEW ideas and effects to measure. It's going to be dramatic.
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HOW COME THIS IS NOT ON ANY MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS?


HOW COME WE THE TALKING HEADS ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT?


WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HYPE?


Lombozo, WTF?
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Another important effect of this device is this:

Once this device is out on the market, then basically the "cat is out of the bag" on cheap and clean energy.

Many companies are basically just "waiting in the wings" to release their own technology. Some are even far superior to cold fusion (i.e. solid state devices that produce electricity without any fuel). The only thing that has been stopping them is the resistance of the big energy companies and the people not believing this kind of technology is possible.

Once a running cold fusion device is on the market the big energy companies will have been "defeated" (i.e. forced to admit they have the wrong tech) and also people will be more open to other technologies that can also supply cheap energy.

It's really the effect on human consciousness this will have that will be the most amazing. With abundant, cheap energy people will lose their scarcity mindset.

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COLD FUSION = FREEDOM
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No, free energy does
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blueprints or it will vanish

we need non-greedy inventors to go public domain

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There will be a great energy revolution coming up, much the same way the industrial revolution occurred.

Many people will be left behind and be forced to catch up once it takes off.

Physics as modern science understands them are very flawed.

This will be just ONE of the MANY new devices with NEW ideas and effects to measure. It's going to be dramatic.
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+1 FOR WISDOM
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Read here about the most promising "runner up"-technologies (behind Cold Fusion):

[link to peswiki.com]

The editor of pesn.com predicts 2011 to be the "breakthrough year" where the first technologies of this kind (cheap, clean) finally come to market:

[link to pesn.com]

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Cool story about this technology on the following site.

[link to 22passi.blogspot.com]
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blueprints or it will vanish

we need non-greedy inventors to go public domain

OPEN SOURCE
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NOW!
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He will reveal all the details in October when the one megawatt plant opens.
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Another important effect of this device is this:

Once this device is out on the market, then basically the "cat is out of the bag" on cheap and clean energy.

Many companies are basically just "waiting in the wings" to release their own technology. Some are even far superior to cold fusion (i.e. solid state devices that produce electricity without any fuel). The only thing that has been stopping them is the resistance of the big energy companies and the people not believing this kind of technology is possible.

Once a running cold fusion device is on the market the big energy companies will have been "defeated" (i.e. forced to admit they have the wrong tech) and also people will be more open to other technologies that can also supply cheap energy.

It's really the effect on human consciousness this will have that will be the most amazing. With abundant, cheap energy people will lose their scarcity mindset.
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Great Commentary.

Do you blog or skype?
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Gerald Celente predicted this for 2011! He said it was the only thing that could save our economy.
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Another important effect of this device is this:

Once this device is out on the market, then basically the "cat is out of the bag" on cheap and clean energy.

Many companies are basically just "waiting in the wings" to release their own technology. Some are even far superior to cold fusion (i.e. solid state devices that produce electricity without any fuel). The only thing that has been stopping them is the resistance of the big energy companies and the people not believing this kind of technology is possible.

Once a running cold fusion device is on the market the big energy companies will have been "defeated" (i.e. forced to admit they have the wrong tech) and also people will be more open to other technologies that can also supply cheap energy.

It's really the effect on human consciousness this will have that will be the most amazing. With abundant, cheap energy people will lose their scarcity mindset.
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Great Commentary.

Do you blog or skype?
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Skype: Mageant
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[link to 911komplott.de]
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and im telling you again. cold fusion is no fucking clean energy.
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Hey guys, lets see if we can get a movement going here. I'm going to call local news stations in my area and try to get them to report on this, if everyone else does the same then we HAVE to have some success somewhere.
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Amazing Post! Thanks for the info!
Now....How much are they gonna cost!
I want one for sure...live off the grid in Colorado..would be perfect in conjuncture with solar!
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In normal operation it would produce 8 units of output for every unit of input.
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Is that the EROEI ratio? Sweet crude oil is much higher > 100.
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Amazing Post! Thanks for the info!
Now....How much are they gonna cost!
I want one for sure...live off the grid in Colorado..would be perfect in conjuncture with solar!
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I could see that working.
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PERLEY: Nuclear future beyond Japan
Purported cold fusion advance aimed at energy woes

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
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Do you think we'll see it in our life time? or will they wait to roll it out after the half the population is dead from radiation poisoning?

I think it will be after.
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this is from january,
so whats the latest updats on it
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For latest update please see:

[link to www.nyteknik.se]

Device has been verified by chief of Swedish sceptics. No fraud detected, so far. Looks promising.
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A very interesting article at that link, AC-1342124. Thank you.


"“In some way a new kind of physics is taking place. It’s enigmatic, but probably no new laws of nature are involved."


This is definitely not some 'new kind of physics', but rather a form of physics we have to here not been very aware of, a set of new discoveries of universe-age-long aged universal physical principles about which mankind has merely remained until very recently completely ignorant of.

Everyone once in a great while mankind stumbles across something that his current set of dogma just says cannot be so, and yet, there it is -- and the Universe has known about it all along -- in spite of man's relative ignorance.


"We believe it is possible to explain the process with known laws of nature,” said Hanno Essén ..."


Or perhaps some new 'laws' have yet to be understood by mankind... yet to be uncovered, which Nature had buried from man's view awhile back, perhaps when mankind zigged when it should have zagged in the development of its physical sciences over the centuries or even millennia.

"The power output was estimated to about 4.4 kW. It’s barely half the power compared with the two previous documented experiments in January and February 2011, because the trial was made with a new and smaller version of the energy catalyzer.
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The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and secret catalysts pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). The reactor is made of stainless steel.

A copper tube surrounds the steel reactor. The water to be heated flows between the steel and the copper. In operation, the construction is also surrounded by insulation and a lead shielding with a thickness of approximately two centimeters (0.8 inches).

Before starting, Kullander and Essén calibrated the water flow and estimated it at 6.5 kg per hour. The power required to heat the flowing water from 18 degrees and convert it completely into steam was calculated to 4.7 kW.

They also filled the reactor with hydrogen at a pressure of about 25 bars. The reactor was according to Rossi loaded with 50 grams of nickel powder.

As in previous trials the process was ‘ignited’ with an electrical resistance. Input power was 330 watts, of which about 30 watts were required to operate the electronics.

A phenomenon that Kullander and Essén noted was that the curve for the water temperature at the output showed a steady increase up to about 60 degrees centigrade, after which the increase escalated.

“The curve then became steeper, it clearly had a new derivative. At the same time there was no increase in power consumption, it rather decreased when it got warmer,” said Essén.

In their report they note that it took nine minutes to go from 20 to 60 degrees centigrade, which corresponds to the heating from the input electrical power. Going from 60 to 97.5 degrees centigrade, by contrast, just took four minutes."


A power output was estimated to about 4.4 kW; The reactor itself has an estimated volume of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). So, an energy flux density of 4.4Kw/50 cm^3, would convert to 88 watts / cm^3.

Or stated another way, if it consistently scales up and down, 1 Liter = 1,000 cm^3, so 88 * 1,000 = 88,000 Watts/Liter... or 88 Kw/L.

At 746 watts per Horse Power 88,000 watts / 746 = 117.96+ H.P. From a 1 Liter 'cylinder.

At a 1,000 Liters per Cubic Meter that's an energy flux density of 88,000,000 Watts/m^3 or 88 Mw/m^3. Now compare that with the energy flux density of 100% efficient solar cells as 1Kw/m^2. At 25% efficiency for solar cells that would be 250 Watts per Square Meter, and considering the air space above the solar panel has to go on clear from the surface of the panel, right on out to the Sun, some 93,000,000 miles away, the solar energy flux density is very very small in comparison.

But even in clear skies at maximum peak solar hour, the 250 W/m^2 Solar-Electric Flux Density vs 88,000,000 W/m^3 Energy Flux Density of this particular Cold Fusion Reactor shows an incredible amount of power density.

At 4.4 Kw/Household on demand, this 88 Mw works out to 88,000 / 4.4 = 20,000 households being supplied by 1 Cubic Meter of reactor. Figuring average family size of 5, that's household electrical power on demand for 100,000 people.

The 1 Liter reactor @ 88 Kw could then service 88/4.4 = 20 households. With 10 houses per side of the block, such a 1 Liter reactor could service one such block of 20 households, at 5 people per household it would service then 100 people. This gets really interesting as a heat source for block-wide steam powered turbines for electricity generation, as well as hot water heating for the houses on the block.

Yes, I could see municipal power companies wanting this technology badly.
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PERLEY: Nuclear future beyond Japan
Purported cold fusion advance aimed at energy woes

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
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Oh my god! This is incredible! MSM actually reporting on this. I will include this article in all my contacts with local news media. here is my first message sent to a local Dalls news station. It's just something I wrote in a minute or two so it's probably not the best summary of everything so if anyone wants to take what I wrote and edit it so that it is more inclusive that would be awesome. I will definitely include the link to this Washington Times article in future contacts.



You guys should definitely report on this new technology.

[link to pesn.com]

Andrea Rossi claims to have invented what he calls an Energy Catalyzer or E-Cat machine. This cold fusion technology is designed to run on nickel and hydrogen with copper as the product.

Tests have been run on this technology by the Swedish Skeptic's Society and it has passed with flying colors. Rossi has also signed contracts in Italy and USA to open plants to start producing E-Cat machines commercially. This is not an investment scam as Rossi has used his own money up to this point and will not get paid any money until the plants have opened up and the companies he has signed contracts with are satisfied. Here is a quote from Rossi to illustrate this point:

"We have passed already the phase to convince somebody. We are arrived to a product that is ready for the market. Our judge is the market. In this field the phase of the competition in the field of theories, hypothesis, conjectures etc etc is over. The competition is in the market. If somebody has a valid technology, he has not to convince people by chattering, he has to make a reactor that work and go to sell it, as we are doing."

Many are skeptic of this new technology because of the profound impact it will have on our world, however, independent validation has been made and it appears that this has some credibility. Regardless, we will know the truth in about three months when the plant in Xanthi, Greece is said to open up.

I think a full report covering the possibilities as well as the skepticism surrounding this technology would be very impressive, especially with an interview with one of the scientists who has seen the machine in action. Here is another article regarding the new technology.

[link to pesn.com]

Hopefully more and more news outlets will begin reporting on this. Please let me know of any specific issues you have with reporting this story.

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