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Let us talk about philosophy

 
GeistFaust (OP)

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Re: Let us talk about philosophy
Any new topics to discuss?

:)
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We can discuss ethics or morals next.
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If everything is a paradox, then everything has to be infinite in complexion right? Or is it only as far as we can perceive it be? These are some questions I have looming all the time...hmmmm. If everything is infinite in complexion with life being a small catalyst in the giant cog, then it is only safe to assume that life also spins around the giant cog of existence forever. The Universe seems to powerful to be stopped and now we are beginning to learn of multi-verses existing throughout the planes of time. I find this truly fascinating.
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Everything in essence is a paradox it is truly divine that this is the case. All life is entangled in itself and is seemingly lost in some parallel universe. If you want to say that it is only in so far as we can perceive it then you can only determine a things existence on a temporal plane of existence. This does not mean necessarily that you can not perceive time itself but that the temporal plane of existence merely indicates an eternal mode of existence. The universe is more linear then we would suppose this is to say that curved space time probably distributes itself so that multiple universes are supported. The truly fascinating thing about the universe is its order if something was here instead of there the only whole structure would collapse on itself. It is truly amazing that the whole universe could be simply suspended on a string of energy.
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But,


it did come up ,


maybe a creator realy is part of it ?
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And,

if we were created,

how could it not be for some sort of profit ?
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The creation part of our existence is true although how it was accomplished the motives of this being are virtually unknown and will probably remain unknown as many of the divine aspects of life are. We can speculate about God's existence but at the end of the day it is futile if God exists we can only acknowledge his being there is nothing more we can do. Since we are limited and God is unlimited it is like we are divided by a great chasm in our existence. Perhaps life is a mistake perhaps it is all just to be simply enjoyed for what it offers us. That is the thing we can not take for granted the mystery of life although we tend to so many times it is quite a tragedy.
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If everything is a paradox, then everything has to be infinite in complexion right? Or is it only as far as we can perceive it be? These are some questions I have looming all the time...hmmmm. If everything is infinite in complexion with life being a small catalyst in the giant cog, then it is only safe to assume that life also spins around the giant cog of existence forever. The Universe seems to powerful to be stopped and now we are beginning to learn of multi-verses existing throughout the planes of time. I find this truly fascinating.
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Can you expand on how everything is a paradox.

And also about how that implys infinite complexion?

Intrested in discussing it further with you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301089


Think about it. Technology in itself is an ever expanding creation that would be infinite if only the human body could survive for longer periods of time (without destroying itself too). Information is a paradox because it is constantly being learned and absorbed, almost like a black hole, but on a smaller scale.
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No technology never has the change of being infinite this is the delusion of the modern age which is no doubt wrong about its assumption that man can transcend himself through science and technology. I think man's desire to become infinite will always have disastrous and cataclysmic results and consequences. The human body is not fit out for a long existence rather the deepest and most profound life is the one that is lived in mystery and esoteric wonder not in a life that is constantly centered around having technology and science exploit the inner cycle of nature.
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Can you expand on how everything is a paradox.

And also about how that implys infinite complexion?

Intrested in discussing it further with you
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Information is a paradox because it is constantly being learned and absorbed, almost like a black hole, but on a smaller scale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1197989


I dont understand how that makes information a paradox?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301089


Okay. It is all saved albeit in memories, books, movies, letters, visual perception...you name it. Our species seems to be feeding off the paradox of nature which presents us life. Think of a swirling spiral, but replace the spiral with the evolution of existance/tech/space/birth/death/afterlife/intellect/informat​ion...endless spirals, always expanding just as our universe is right now.
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Information is linear thus making it hard to qualify to be a paradox. I think I know what you are trying to get at. But it would be most difficult to say that information is a paradox. Maybe you should twist it the other way around the paradox is information. That would make more sense I think because if the paradox is information. At the same time the paradox information is meant to integrate the paradox into its context so that it can sharpen itself within the confines of space time. The paradox merely stands as the dynamic symbol which represents all information.
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can you determine to a pin point what IS a thought?
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that is easy:

I think, therefore I am
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no that is infantile.

Is the grandmother in an vegative state a non person?
did she cease to be because she no longer thinks? Would she still have moral rights?
If someone raped her would that be morally wrong?
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Well consciousness does depend on the ability to think and vise versa. A person is an vegetive state is practically a non existence because they can not determine themselves in relation to reality through thought or consciousness. Does this negate their dignity or moral worth not one bit actually under no condition no how mentally depraved an individual is does it allow one to do them harm. Morals necessitates thinking but thinking does always necessitate morals and this means that although all morals coincides with all rational thoughts this is merely a foundational representation of the moral law itself. Thinking only garners the possibility of its own existence and the existence of morals. It necessities only what is necessitated within it.
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why separate the "one" being ?. . . like in: one is conscious (or not) of one self, for example.


do not forget: Divide and conquer.

we are told and forced to "divide" ourselves, divide the "one", many schools of philosophy, however, we are one, and as one we live, accepting the one will make you free. Not dividing it, I AM "consciousness" is right, I am conscious of myself is wrong, I AM consciousness. THE ONE IS CONSCIOUSNESS.


Have another one for ye all:

Give until in hurts, and when it is hurting . . . give a little more . . . that´s a paradox.
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why separate the "one" being ?. . . like in: one is conscious (or not) of one self, for example.


do not forget: Divide and conquer.

we are told and forced to "divide" ourselves, divide the "one", many schools of philosophy, however, we are one, and as one we live, accepting the one will make you free. Not dividing it, I AM "consciousness" is right, I am conscious of myself is wrong, I AM consciousness. THE ONE IS CONSCIOUSNESS.


Have another one for ye all:

Give until in hurts, and when it is hurting . . . give a little more . . . that´s a paradox.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339131


I respect what you have to say but I have to disagree. This one consciousness is as void as the meaning of existence itself. We need to divide and conquer this is natural necessity. If we do not divide and conquer we are not able to make anything our own. We are not allowed to develop our own individual instinct. The I am therefore I think does not apply to any situation in real life. Rather I think therefore I am applies to every real situation in life. Only the real man can be responsible for himself and not have to depend on others for his existence. I suppose you can say that the act of thinking presupposes a single consciousness. It is merely nonsensical to try to make sense out of this one consciousness. It is better left to be a matter of intuition or of the heart to become a matter of the mind. I do suppose we should strive to unify ourselves with this one consciousness but in all actuality we can only hope for it to unify with us. We need to separate the "one" being because it also necessarily divided from the transcendental being but not by much. It is marginally divided in essence from the transcendental and divine. Separating things out allows us to posit a connection to the divine.
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why separate the "one" being ?. . . like in: one is conscious (or not) of one self, for example.


do not forget: Divide and conquer.

we are told and forced to "divide" ourselves, divide the "one", many schools of philosophy, however, we are one, and as one we live, accepting the one will make you free. Not dividing it, I AM "consciousness" is right, I am conscious of myself is wrong, I AM consciousness. THE ONE IS CONSCIOUSNESS.


Have another one for ye all:

Give until in hurts, and when it is hurting . . . give a little more . . . that´s a paradox.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339131


I respect what you have to say but I have to disagree. This one consciousness is as void as the meaning of existence itself. We need to divide and conquer this is natural necessity. If we do not divide and conquer we are not able to make anything our own. We are not allowed to develop our own individual instinct. The I am therefore I think does not apply to any situation in real life. Rather I think therefore I am applies to every real situation in life. Only the real man can be responsible for himself and not have to depend on others for his existence. I suppose you can say that the act of thinking presupposes a single consciousness. It is merely nonsensical to try to make sense out of this one consciousness. It is better left to be a matter of intuition or of the heart to become a matter of the mind. I do suppose we should strive to unify ourselves with this one consciousness but in all actuality we can only hope for it to unify with us. We need to separate the "one" being because it also necessarily divided from the transcendental being but not by much. It is marginally divided in essence from the transcendental and divine. Separating things out allows us to posit a connection to the divine.
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I aknowledge your respect, and do also respect you.
However: I started with "why separate the "one" being ?" and continued with "one is conscious" ending with "of one self" . . . in all, as you now see, I am refering to us, humans, using the term "one", if I had changed my final line "THE ONE IS CONSCIOUSNESS." to: "I AM CONSCIOUSNESS", would that have changed the content of your reply?

I understand that your "one consciousness" does not refer to my "one" being.
Hence the rest of your reply is a void.
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... of course, now I see . . . I was writting in relation to individual "one", not a "collective" "one", my bad still learning, better next time, if a next time can be.
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why separate the "one" being ?. . . like in: one is conscious (or not) of one self, for example.


do not forget: Divide and conquer.

we are told and forced to "divide" ourselves, divide the "one", many schools of philosophy, however, we are one, and as one we live, accepting the one will make you free. Not dividing it, I AM "consciousness" is right, I am conscious of myself is wrong, I AM consciousness. THE ONE IS CONSCIOUSNESS.


Have another one for ye all:

Give until in hurts, and when it is hurting . . . give a little more . . . that´s a paradox.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339131


I respect what you have to say but I have to disagree. This one consciousness is as void as the meaning of existence itself. We need to divide and conquer this is natural necessity. If we do not divide and conquer we are not able to make anything our own. We are not allowed to develop our own individual instinct. The I am therefore I think does not apply to any situation in real life. Rather I think therefore I am applies to every real situation in life. Only the real man can be responsible for himself and not have to depend on others for his existence. I suppose you can say that the act of thinking presupposes a single consciousness. It is merely nonsensical to try to make sense out of this one consciousness. It is better left to be a matter of intuition or of the heart to become a matter of the mind. I do suppose we should strive to unify ourselves with this one consciousness but in all actuality we can only hope for it to unify with us. We need to separate the "one" being because it also necessarily divided from the transcendental being but not by much. It is marginally divided in essence from the transcendental and divine. Separating things out allows us to posit a connection to the divine.
 Quoting: GeistFaust


I aknowledge your respect, and do also respect you.
However: I started with "why separate the "one" being ?" and continued with "one is conscious" ending with "of one self" . . . in all, as you now see, I am refering to us, humans, using the term "one", if I had changed my final line "THE ONE IS CONSCIOUSNESS." to: "I AM CONSCIOUSNESS", would that have changed the content of your reply?

I understand that your "one consciousness" does not refer to my "one" being.
Hence the rest of your reply is a void.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339131


Yes it most definitely would have changed the content and actually I would have replied in favor and probably with a lot shorter of a reply.
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Information is a paradox because it is constantly being learned and absorbed, almost like a black hole, but on a smaller scale.
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I dont understand how that makes information a paradox?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301089


Okay. It is all saved albeit in memories, books, movies, letters, visual perception...you name it. Our species seems to be feeding off the paradox of nature which presents us life. Think of a swirling spiral, but replace the spiral with the evolution of existance/tech/space/birth/death/afterlife/intellect/informat​ion...endless spirals, always expanding just as our universe is right now.
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Information is linear thus making it hard to qualify to be a paradox. I think I know what you are trying to get at. But it would be most difficult to say that information is a paradox. Maybe you should twist it the other way around the paradox is information. That would make more sense I think because if the paradox is information. At the same time the paradox information is meant to integrate the paradox into its context so that it can sharpen itself within the confines of space time. The paradox merely stands as the dynamic symbol which represents all information.
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This makes so much sense!
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there is no gravity

the earth sucks
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Would love to a good debate if you would see my videopresentation.

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Re: Let us talk about philosophy
Is there a morality in the universe ?

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Jules
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Information is a paradox because it is constantly being learned and absorbed, almost like a black hole, but on a smaller scale.
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I dont understand how that makes information a paradox?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301089


Okay. It is all saved albeit in memories, books, movies, letters, visual perception...you name it. Our species seems to be feeding off the paradox of nature which presents us life. Think of a swirling spiral, but replace the spiral with the evolution of existance/tech/space/birth/death/afterlife/intellect/informat​ion...endless spirals, always expanding just as our universe is right now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1197989



Information is linear thus making it hard to qualify to be a paradox. I think I know what you are trying to get at. But it would be most difficult to say that information is a paradox. Maybe you should twist it the other way around the paradox is information. That would make more sense I think because if the paradox is information. At the same time the paradox information is meant to integrate the paradox into its context so that it can sharpen itself within the confines of space time. The paradox merely stands as the dynamic symbol which represents all information.
 Quoting: GeistFaust


Where do you get the notion that information is singular and not dualistic ? Is not energy information ?

Regards
Jules
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One last question

Do you believe that searching for the holy spirit in the new testament is like felching the lovers of Jesus and as such impure homosexuality ?

Trgatds
Jules
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Now for some of the greatest philosophy ive ver read it was written by Kenneth Patchen in the journal of albion moonlight - may I suggest youll never get better reading things like Kant.

' Crenelate me, bodies locked together like stuck dogs in Jesus.'

' The brutal know torment only when brutality ceases to excite, how long before they realise that torture of the body must by necessity give way to torture of the mind. '

KP RIP

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Jules

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