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Very interesting! Thank You for sharing this! Question for you. Did you hear anything about a couple of quakes in/around the sink hole today? I got busy with my Son & can't remember where it was that I heard something about & was curious what you fine Folks knew about it.
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There are some very interesting theories flying round, one of them being that Jupiter has ignited, fusing it's small amounts of deuterium & lithium7. Do you think this holds any validity Shad?
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Interesting thread!
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Very interesting! Thank You for sharing this! Question for you. Did you hear anything about a couple of quakes in/around the sink hole today? I got busy with my Son & can't remember where it was that I heard something about & was curious what you fine Folks knew about it.
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Earth cries posted some on El Q's thread I believe
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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There are some very interesting theories flying round, one of them being that Jupiter has ignited, fusing it's small amounts of deuterium & lithium7. Do you think this holds any validity Shad?
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It could, theres some good minds that once believed this was happening. If it is we'll know soon!

I'm waiting for some crazy curiosity / mars event or false flag.
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There are some very interesting theories flying round, one of them being that Jupiter has ignited, fusing it's small amounts of deuterium & lithium7. Do you think this holds any validity Shad?
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It could, theres some good minds that once believed this was happening. If it is we'll know soon!

I'm waiting for some crazy curiosity / mars event or false flag.
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Same here. It was given quite a bit of public attention.
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Very interesting! Thank You for sharing this! Question for you. Did you hear anything about a couple of quakes in/around the sink hole today? I got busy with my Son & can't remember where it was that I heard something about & was curious what you fine Folks knew about it.
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Yes, it has been shaking at the sinkhole all day.

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This may be the reason the seismos are showing so much activity.

We’ve been advised by Texas Brine that casing is being driven and should be completed for a vent well located at their facility.

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I got this from another thread.... its probably beyond 50% and i will get in trouble but i really don't care......

Take it as half the problem.....

“OK – here’s the straight skinny on the sinkhole. Brine is used by oil companies as a production fluid – heavy brine works like drilling mud to hold back geopressure so you can control a well that has been drilled to work on it without having the gas pressure (sometimes 10-20kpsi) blow out the well.

It is also used to wash the dirty drilling mud out of the perforations and gravel screens in the well to improve gas production.

[Redacted] is a subsidiary of [Redacted], which is a huge supplier of brines (NaCL, KCl, CaBr and others) for the oil and gas production guys.

They “mine” these heavy brines by drilling into a salt dome and liquefying the salts. A salt dome is a salt intrusion, where hot molten salt has been squeezed up a vertical fault to a shallow depth.

Avery Island (where they grow Tabasco peppers and make the sauce) is a salt mine on top of a salt dome, and has a tourist gig to let people go into the mine.

You are underground and under a swamp when in the mine. When they dissolve the salt to mine brine, they assume that by replacing it with brine the integrity of the dome will be fine (because fluid is incompressible).

To help insure this, they pump diesel or oil into the brine mix to avoid the upper part of the brine pocket from dissolving the salt. Oil and diesel float, and so the top of the cavern isn’t exposed to water.

They assume geopressure will prevent and limit the salt from dissolving the used mining cavern laterally. Only so much salt can go into solution, and once saturation is reached, the dissolving stops.

This has been done for decades in the Gulf Coast, as it sits on top of bedrock with a layer of salt above it. The entire Gulf of Mexico, from Cuba to Mexico sits on top of a salt layer, and drilling through this salt is what defines a “sub-salt” well in the Gulf of Mexico area.

These salt domes run from deep offshore into northerm Louisiana, Mississippi and East Texas. There are many just southeast of Palestine. (Which is why we have gas at 8,600′ and oil at 10,200′ on our property, but not subsurface rights here at the ranch – G)

As a general rule, when a cavern collapses underground, the roof does not fall in any more than the sides slam together – from surrounding pressure. They work this out to determine the maximum size of the brine cavern before they start brine mining. They assume the salt is uniform, as it historically is.

IF there was a crack (fault) in the salt dome that allowed the cavern brine to seep out, over time it would widen the crack by dissolving itself. This weakens the cavern and enlarges it, and could be a simple explanation of what happened to [Redcated] brine well (which was plugged and abandoned last year).

This one was different, and the crack let the brine water seep out (or fresh water seep in, which would be worse as it dissolves more salt) and eventually the cavern collapsed.

The result was the sinkhole, and this explains the diesel smell all over the place and the visible sheen on the water around the sinkhole – from the diesel pumped in when the well was capped to prevent dissolving the cavern roof.

The tremors they are talking about are probably real, and within 3-5000 feet from surface. They would be felt but not register seismically, especially since there aren’t many seismographs in the Mississippi Delta (no seismic activity so why monitor, which is why the offshore earthquakes are always larger than the USGS says – the monitoring is far removed from the source).

The tremors would be the cavern and the formations above it settling into a mix of briny water, which acts as a lubricant. The information will continue to be heavily edited due to the liability of Louisian DNR and [redacted the brine maker] – they are already sued about this and so they will just say nothing until the suits are settled (and they will be settled under sealed documents too).

Yes, it might get bigger. Yes – there will probably be a salty lake there in the future, which could spread and contaminate aquifers and surface waters. Yes, the local ecosystem will have to change. Yes – fish kill is likely. Yes – bubbling all around is going to continue, and the bubbling is natural gas coming out of solution in the water from deposits around the salt dome. All will have to wait and see.
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Whoah! Is this something you all are used to seeing here? [link to www.gdgps.net]
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Good info on the sinkhole on Dutch's site.

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Whoah! Is this something you all are used to seeing here? [link to www.gdgps.net]
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It would normally be abnormal, but these spikes have been quite common the last 2 months. Its showing F2 ionospheric electron distribution, thats very high, but has become somewhat the norm. This along with a lack of sun energy, is whats causing problems with the F1 ionosphere levels


Heres the australian TEC count, actually this is way maxed out, more than usual, good catch!
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Don't like to see the TEC hot down there by the Caribbean.

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Then the current one will make you happier though it is worse looking:

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I got this from another thread.... its probably beyond 50% and i will get in trouble but i really don't care......

Take it as half the problem.....

“OK – here’s the straight skinny on the sinkhole. Brine is used by oil companies as a production fluid – heavy brine works like drilling mud to hold back geopressure so you can control a well that has been drilled to work on it without having the gas pressure (sometimes 10-20kpsi) blow out the well.

It is also used to wash the dirty drilling mud out of the perforations and gravel screens in the well to improve gas production.

[Redacted] is a subsidiary of [Redacted], which is a huge supplier of brines (NaCL, KCl, CaBr and others) for the oil and gas production guys.

They “mine” these heavy brines by drilling into a salt dome and liquefying the salts. A salt dome is a salt intrusion, where hot molten salt has been squeezed up a vertical fault to a shallow depth.

Avery Island (where they grow Tabasco peppers and make the sauce) is a salt mine on top of a salt dome, and has a tourist gig to let people go into the mine.

You are underground and under a swamp when in the mine. When they dissolve the salt to mine brine, they assume that by replacing it with brine the integrity of the dome will be fine (because fluid is incompressible).

To help insure this, they pump diesel or oil into the brine mix to avoid the upper part of the brine pocket from dissolving the salt. Oil and diesel float, and so the top of the cavern isn’t exposed to water.

They assume geopressure will prevent and limit the salt from dissolving the used mining cavern laterally. Only so much salt can go into solution, and once saturation is reached, the dissolving stops.

This has been done for decades in the Gulf Coast, as it sits on top of bedrock with a layer of salt above it. The entire Gulf of Mexico, from Cuba to Mexico sits on top of a salt layer, and drilling through this salt is what defines a “sub-salt” well in the Gulf of Mexico area.

These salt domes run from deep offshore into northerm Louisiana, Mississippi and East Texas. There are many just southeast of Palestine. (Which is why we have gas at 8,600′ and oil at 10,200′ on our property, but not subsurface rights here at the ranch – G)

As a general rule, when a cavern collapses underground, the roof does not fall in any more than the sides slam together – from surrounding pressure. They work this out to determine the maximum size of the brine cavern before they start brine mining. They assume the salt is uniform, as it historically is.

IF there was a crack (fault) in the salt dome that allowed the cavern brine to seep out, over time it would widen the crack by dissolving itself. This weakens the cavern and enlarges it, and could be a simple explanation of what happened to [Redcated] brine well (which was plugged and abandoned last year).

This one was different, and the crack let the brine water seep out (or fresh water seep in, which would be worse as it dissolves more salt) and eventually the cavern collapsed.

The result was the sinkhole, and this explains the diesel smell all over the place and the visible sheen on the water around the sinkhole – from the diesel pumped in when the well was capped to prevent dissolving the cavern roof.

The tremors they are talking about are probably real, and within 3-5000 feet from surface. They would be felt but not register seismically, especially since there aren’t many seismographs in the Mississippi Delta (no seismic activity so why monitor, which is why the offshore earthquakes are always larger than the USGS says – the monitoring is far removed from the source).

The tremors would be the cavern and the formations above it settling into a mix of briny water, which acts as a lubricant. The information will continue to be heavily edited due to the liability of Louisian DNR and [redacted the brine maker] – they are already sued about this and so they will just say nothing until the suits are settled (and they will be settled under sealed documents too).

Yes, it might get bigger. Yes – there will probably be a salty lake there in the future, which could spread and contaminate aquifers and surface waters. Yes, the local ecosystem will have to change. Yes – fish kill is likely. Yes – bubbling all around is going to continue, and the bubbling is natural gas coming out of solution in the water from deposits around the salt dome. All will have to wait and see.
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Thank you Batman.
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I got this from another thread.... its probably beyond 50% and i will get in trouble but i really don't care......

Take it as half the problem.....

“OK – here’s the straight skinny on the sinkhole. Brine is used by oil companies as a production fluid – heavy brine works like drilling mud to hold back geopressure so you can control a well that has been drilled to work on it without having the gas pressure (sometimes 10-20kpsi) blow out the well.

It is also used to wash the dirty drilling mud out of the perforations and gravel screens in the well to improve gas production.

[Redacted] is a subsidiary of [Redacted], which is a huge supplier of brines (NaCL, KCl, CaBr and others) for the oil and gas production guys.

They “mine” these heavy brines by drilling into a salt dome and liquefying the salts. A salt dome is a salt intrusion, where hot molten salt has been squeezed up a vertical fault to a shallow depth.

Avery Island (where they grow Tabasco peppers and make the sauce) is a salt mine on top of a salt dome, and has a tourist gig to let people go into the mine.

You are underground and under a swamp when in the mine. When they dissolve the salt to mine brine, they assume that by replacing it with brine the integrity of the dome will be fine (because fluid is incompressible).

To help insure this, they pump diesel or oil into the brine mix to avoid the upper part of the brine pocket from dissolving the salt. Oil and diesel float, and so the top of the cavern isn’t exposed to water.

They assume geopressure will prevent and limit the salt from dissolving the used mining cavern laterally. Only so much salt can go into solution, and once saturation is reached, the dissolving stops.

This has been done for decades in the Gulf Coast, as it sits on top of bedrock with a layer of salt above it. The entire Gulf of Mexico, from Cuba to Mexico sits on top of a salt layer, and drilling through this salt is what defines a “sub-salt” well in the Gulf of Mexico area.

These salt domes run from deep offshore into northerm Louisiana, Mississippi and East Texas. There are many just southeast of Palestine. (Which is why we have gas at 8,600′ and oil at 10,200′ on our property, but not subsurface rights here at the ranch – G)

As a general rule, when a cavern collapses underground, the roof does not fall in any more than the sides slam together – from surrounding pressure. They work this out to determine the maximum size of the brine cavern before they start brine mining. They assume the salt is uniform, as it historically is.

IF there was a crack (fault) in the salt dome that allowed the cavern brine to seep out, over time it would widen the crack by dissolving itself. This weakens the cavern and enlarges it, and could be a simple explanation of what happened to [Redcated] brine well (which was plugged and abandoned last year).

This one was different, and the crack let the brine water seep out (or fresh water seep in, which would be worse as it dissolves more salt) and eventually the cavern collapsed.

The result was the sinkhole, and this explains the diesel smell all over the place and the visible sheen on the water around the sinkhole – from the diesel pumped in when the well was capped to prevent dissolving the cavern roof.

The tremors they are talking about are probably real, and within 3-5000 feet from surface. They would be felt but not register seismically, especially since there aren’t many seismographs in the Mississippi Delta (no seismic activity so why monitor, which is why the offshore earthquakes are always larger than the USGS says – the monitoring is far removed from the source).

The tremors would be the cavern and the formations above it settling into a mix of briny water, which acts as a lubricant. The information will continue to be heavily edited due to the liability of Louisian DNR and [redacted the brine maker] – they are already sued about this and so they will just say nothing until the suits are settled (and they will be settled under sealed documents too).

Yes, it might get bigger. Yes – there will probably be a salty lake there in the future, which could spread and contaminate aquifers and surface waters. Yes, the local ecosystem will have to change. Yes – fish kill is likely. Yes – bubbling all around is going to continue, and the bubbling is natural gas coming out of solution in the water from deposits around the salt dome. All will have to wait and see.
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Thats excellent info,gives agood idea how all of this transpired and future problems,good work my man!
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There are some very interesting theories flying round, one of them being that Jupiter has ignited, fusing it's small amounts of deuterium & lithium7. Do you think this holds any validity Shad?
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It could, theres some good minds that once believed this was happening. If it is we'll know soon!

I'm waiting for some crazy curiosity / mars event or false flag.
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2012 S1 comet? It is suppose to be effecting Jupiter first, I think is what I read. Then Mars could be transformed. Then there is always the Ort cloud, I think it is called.
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Don't like to see the TEC hot down there by the Caribbean.

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Then the current one will make you happier though it is worse looking:

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Just was checking that out, REM had the Inos.LI pulled up its electrons are always close but usually at different spiking lat.,works I'd imagine at maybe a different layer of distribution. Thats Hot!
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USGS hasn't reported a quake since about 4:00 this afternoon. That is disturbing.
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USGS hasn't reported a quake since about 4:00 this afternoon. That is disturbing.
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I was just thinking it's been a while since we had a nice sized one. hiding
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Spoke too soon.

Magnitude 5.7 - WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND

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Magnitude 5.0 - MADHYA PRADESH, INDIA


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Magnitude 5.0 - MADHYA PRADESH, INDIA


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North Atlantic is busy this morning.

Magnitude ML 3.2
Region AZORES ISLANDS, PORTUGAL
Date time 2012-10-18 10:30:42.0 UTC
Location 39.37 N ; 29.90 W
Depth 10 km

Magnitude ML 3.3
Region AZORES ISLANDS, PORTUGAL
Date time 2012-10-18 08:57:52.0 UTC
Location 39.48 N ; 29.87 W
Depth 10 km


Magnitude ML 3.0
Region AZORES ISLANDS, PORTUGAL
Date time 2012-10-18 08:47:01.0 UTC
Location 39.32 N ; 29.78 W
Depth 5 km

Magnitude mb 4.6
Region AZORES ISLANDS, PORTUGAL
Date time 2012-10-18 08:38:34.0 UTC
Location 39.18 N ; 29.65 W
Depth 2 km


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This one is unusual.

Magnitude 3.6 - NEBRASKA

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This one is unusual.

Magnitude 3.6 - NEBRASKA

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What an odd place
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TEC also high over the area of the buoy where the sea floor keeps rising.

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Weird stuff going on!

Thread: BREAKING NEWS!!! AIR RAID SIRENS GOING OFF AROUND THE COUNTRY!!!

Thread: OVER 200 METEROITES HITTING ALL OVER THE USA TONIGHT!!!
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