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Hi everyone! AKO, your post the other day about Monsanto reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a long time. Maybe Shad might know, too, or at least y'all might have a good guess.

I know the seed companies have "short season" seeds for areas like Alaska, because of the short growing season. Our season for some veggies are split because of the high heat in the summer. Do you guys think some of the seeds for shorter seasons might work here, if planted early enough? I hope I'm explaining this properly. Our mid-summer is murder on tomato plants. They end up not producing until almost fall and then it's sometimes too late.
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4.3
DateTime: Sunday March 24 2013, 17:25:40 UTC
Region: offshore Northern California
Depth: 0.6 km
Source: USGS Feed

4.8
DateTime: Sunday March 24 2013, 17:28:23 UTC
Region: Tobago region, Trinidad and Tobago
Depth: 46.2 km
Source: USGS Feed

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Hi everyone! AKO, your post the other day about Monsanto reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a long time. Maybe Shad might know, too, or at least y'all might have a good guess.

I know the seed companies have "short season" seeds for areas like Alaska, because of the short growing season. Our season for some veggies are split because of the high heat in the summer. Do you guys think some of the seeds for shorter seasons might work here, if planted early enough? I hope I'm explaining this properly. Our mid-summer is murder on tomato plants. They end up not producing until almost fall and then it's sometimes too late.
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We have the same problem here. 100+ temps on a garden are killers for your veggies. Well, peppers love it.

Last year I had wonderful tomatoes, first time ever I managed to grow them and got more than 6 tomatoes. They were planted in an area that was shaded in the afternoon sun. Sure wish this was done on purpose but can't take credit for it. A new raised garden bed will be planted in an area that will only receive sun light until about 1pm then the shade from our fence will take over.

Just a thought for ya. I know when we lived in Austin, a lot of gardeners said they did the same thing, planted in areas that their gardens were shaded after 1-2pm. Never tried to garden there as the fire ants were horrible.
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heya all....
back from the bush again...aint things getting interesting...

this is of interest...anyone else notice the "person" in the sim?... [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]
the Foks running hot...and we definately have some outside pressure on the mag....(thinking it may be connected to the farside release the other day...

they did release a KP4 warning as well...

"Space Weather Message Code: WARK04
Serial Number: 2060
Issue Time: 2013 Mar 23 2127 UTC

WARNING: Geomagnetic K-index of 4 expected
Valid From: 2013 Mar 23 2128 UTC
Valid To: 2013 Mar 24 0500 UTC
Warning Condition: Onset
Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 65 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude.
Induced Currents - Weak power grid fluctuations can occur.
Aurora - Aurora may be visible at high latitudes such as Canada and Alaska."

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


the magnometer is showing a nasty line at around the 2.5...
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
also indicative of some outside pressure....watching the EQ activity, as im expecting a 6.5+ somewhere in the next 24 hrs...especially when combined with this mag chart...

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Tecs alittle hot.. [link to www.ips.gov.au] watching Japan and Indonesia...

suns been relatively quiet, but im starting to notice that they seem to take down the flux monitor everytime, the sun seems to 'die'..watch it..every now and then the reading goes down...below B levels into A's...at this time, the monitor drops out...(mind u, it does it on the up sometimes as well)..

still looking.
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Any thoughts on this?

Since their discovery over 50 years ago, the Earth's Van Allen radiation belts have been considered to consist of two distinct zones of trapped, highly energetic charged particles. The outer zone is comprised predominantly of mega-electron volt (MeV) electrons that wax and wane in intensity on time scales ranging from hours to days depending primarily on external forcing by the solar wind. The spatially separated inner zone is comprised of commingled high-energy electrons and very energetic positive ions (mostly protons), the latter being stable in intensity levels over years to decades. In situ energy-specific and temporally resolved spacecraft observations reveal an isolated third ring, or torus, of high-energy (E > 2 MeV) electrons that formed on 2 September 2012 and persisted largely unchanged in the geocentric radial range of 3.0 to ~3.5 Earth radii for over four weeks before being disrupted (and virtually annihilated) by a powerful interplanetary shock wave passage.

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Hi everyone! AKO, your post the other day about Monsanto reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a long time. Maybe Shad might know, too, or at least y'all might have a good guess.

I know the seed companies have "short season" seeds for areas like Alaska, because of the short growing season. Our season for some veggies are split because of the high heat in the summer. Do you guys think some of the seeds for shorter seasons might work here, if planted early enough? I hope I'm explaining this properly. Our mid-summer is murder on tomato plants. They end up not producing until almost fall and then it's sometimes too late.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


We have the same problem here. 100+ temps on a garden are killers for your veggies. Well, peppers love it.

Last year I had wonderful tomatoes, first time ever I managed to grow them and got more than 6 tomatoes. They were planted in an area that was shaded in the afternoon sun. Sure wish this was done on purpose but can't take credit for it. A new raised garden bed will be planted in an area that will only receive sun light until about 1pm then the shade from our fence will take over.

Just a thought for ya. I know when we lived in Austin, a lot of gardeners said they did the same thing, planted in areas that their gardens were shaded after 1-2pm. Never tried to garden there as the fire ants were horrible.
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Thanks, WA. You'd think after 20 years down here, I'd have it down pat, but I've only been able to garden for a few years. I've just about got my manufactured shade figured out. We don't have enough shady spots without creating it!

We're not ready to do raised beds just yet. Right now, I'm planting in our front yard so we can amend the soil for grass in the fall. Thankfully, we live in the sticks, so no one will care!LOL I have a spot I want to put raised beds in, but hubs isn't sold on it yet.
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It's hard to garden anymore with all the extremes in climate. DH said something about putting up a simple pergola over another area that the plants refuse to grow due to the intense heat. You wouldn't think we would have that problem here in Colorado, but the sun can be even more intense here than in TX because we are so much higher in elevation. The one time of year I HATE - middle of summer!!!!
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It's hard to garden anymore with all the extremes in climate. DH said something about putting up a simple pergola over another area that the plants refuse to grow due to the intense heat. You wouldn't think we would have that problem here in Colorado, but the sun can be even more intense here than in TX because we are so much higher in elevation. The one time of year I HATE - middle of summer!!!!
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I know. We spent some time in Alb. NM. Sorry, I hate to spell that!LOL I almost always get it wrong! The sun was awful in the summer, even the temps were pretty nice. I wasn't ready for that. I don't remember how many bottles of water I went through, but it was ALOT!

We were given a partial roll of weedblocker fabric. I don't recommend it for it's stated purpose...it just doesn't work. I'm going to use it for shade. When I run out of that, I'll buy more real shade fabric. I'm glad it's getting easier to find and a little cheaper than when it first came out. We covered our chicken run with it a few years ago and it was wonderful for that.
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[link to news.yahoo.com]

While the pattern for each plate boundary earthquake was unique, on average, the seismicity along the faults was nearly constant until about two months before a big earthquake, when there was a small but noticeable increase, the researchers found. Seismicity refers to the geographic and time distribution of earthquakes.
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Hi everyone! AKO, your post the other day about Monsanto reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a long time. Maybe Shad might know, too, or at least y'all might have a good guess.

I know the seed companies have "short season" seeds for areas like Alaska, because of the short growing season. Our season for some veggies are split because of the high heat in the summer. Do you guys think some of the seeds for shorter seasons might work here, if planted early enough? I hope I'm explaining this properly. Our mid-summer is murder on tomato plants. They end up not producing until almost fall and then it's sometimes too late.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


Hi TB I think the seeds we use here would more than likely work for you too. Ed Hume seeds are developed for Alaska but spendy.
These guys have done a lot with high heat/ cold climate short grow seasons [link to secure.seedstrust.com]
Here I tent a lot of things and also we make our own soil and I do a lot of raised rows and mounds that would work for you also as long as you have good ventilation. Do you have a porch? You could grow them there when I lived in TX I grew everything in buckets on porch moved them around took advantage of sun and shade. Also watered real well early AM or late evening did tomatoes in hanging baskets too (pull off extra leaves and pinch suckers also use Epsom salt on all makes them hardy) [link to www.saltworks.us] and all other veggies that works really well also I use 5 gallon pails now drill holes and hang from hooks. [link to www.gardenguides.com]
You can grow anything in these cukes, squash I even grew gourds and pumpkins make sure you have a good dirt/compost/peat mix.
These guys have good list with all you want ones that won't bolt from heat [link to store.underwoodgardens.com]
The link I gave you to [link to www.jlhudsonseeds.net] they have tons of heirloom veggie seeds and give description for days to maturity/bolt info peruse that.Hope this helps.hfflower I start 2nd crop in summer for fall too.

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AK, thanks for the seed information. I looked on the website and they have seeds for high altitude and Southwest desert, perfecthf
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AK, thanks for the seed information. I looked on the website and they have seeds for high altitude and Southwest desert, perfecthf
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You are very welcome. Happy planting! flower
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Weather sounds snowy for you....its snowing hard in VA where my youngest is in college...not to happy about it. Its cold up in the mountains, snowed Friday, but the storm moved out to Colorado. Lake is still frozen, but chilly..will not be planting for awhile
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^^^^^^^^^haha I keep forgetting to check and see if I am signed in.....
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Still snowing here too! No tulips for Easter this year.
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Still snowing here too! No tulips for Easter this year.
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Not sure we're gonna have an Easter egg hunt here either! We got pounded today with lots of snow too!
I knew when that groundhog said an early spring we'd get it!
LOL

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Ugh Oh... same spot again...
Type: Earthquake
46 minutes ago
Magnitude: 4.9
DateTime: Monday March 25 2013, 00:02:12 UTC
Region: Fox Islands, Aleutian Islands, Alaska
Depth: 45.8 km
Source: USGS Feed
[link to quakes.globalincidentmap.com]

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Hi everyone! AKO, your post the other day about Monsanto reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a long time. Maybe Shad might know, too, or at least y'all might have a good guess.

I know the seed companies have "short season" seeds for areas like Alaska, because of the short growing season. Our season for some veggies are split because of the high heat in the summer. Do you guys think some of the seeds for shorter seasons might work here, if planted early enough? I hope I'm explaining this properly. Our mid-summer is murder on tomato plants. They end up not producing until almost fall and then it's sometimes too late.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


Hi TB I think the seeds we use here would more than likely work for you too. Ed Hume seeds are developed for Alaska but spendy.
These guys have done a lot with high heat/ cold climate short grow seasons [link to secure.seedstrust.com]
Here I tent a lot of things and also we make our own soil and I do a lot of raised rows and mounds that would work for you also as long as you have good ventilation. Do you have a porch? You could grow them there when I lived in TX I grew everything in buckets on porch moved them around took advantage of sun and shade. Also watered real well early AM or late evening did tomatoes in hanging baskets too (pull off extra leaves and pinch suckers also use Epsom salt on all makes them hardy) [link to www.saltworks.us] and all other veggies that works really well also I use 5 gallon pails now drill holes and hang from hooks. [link to www.gardenguides.com]
You can grow anything in these cukes, squash I even grew gourds and pumpkins make sure you have a good dirt/compost/peat mix.
These guys have good list with all you want ones that won't bolt from heat [link to store.underwoodgardens.com]
The link I gave you to [link to www.jlhudsonseeds.net] they have tons of heirloom veggie seeds and give description for days to maturity/bolt info peruse that.Hope this helps.hfflower I start 2nd crop in summer for fall too.
 Quoting: AKObserver


Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I tried container gardening last year, but no luck. I'll check out the links in a bit! Big hugs for you!!
They also serve who stand and wait. John Milton
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Hi everyone! AKO, your post the other day about Monsanto reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a long time. Maybe Shad might know, too, or at least y'all might have a good guess.

I know the seed companies have "short season" seeds for areas like Alaska, because of the short growing season. Our season for some veggies are split because of the high heat in the summer. Do you guys think some of the seeds for shorter seasons might work here, if planted early enough? I hope I'm explaining this properly. Our mid-summer is murder on tomato plants. They end up not producing until almost fall and then it's sometimes too late.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


We have the same problem here. 100+ temps on a garden are killers for your veggies. Well, peppers love it.

Last year I had wonderful tomatoes, first time ever I managed to grow them and got more than 6 tomatoes. They were planted in an area that was shaded in the afternoon sun. Sure wish this was done on purpose but can't take credit for it. A new raised garden bed will be planted in an area that will only receive sun light until about 1pm then the shade from our fence will take over.

Just a thought for ya. I know when we lived in Austin, a lot of gardeners said they did the same thing, planted in areas that their gardens were shaded after 1-2pm. Never tried to garden there as the fire ants were horrible.
 Quoting: whiteangel


I've known a couple of families in florida that have biodynamic gardens that grow quite well. They only use nonhybrid seeds. It doesn't usually get into 100's like in texas, but the thing is creating symbiotic systems, building the soil and organisms, the plants are hardier and more resistant to disease and even to surviving insects.

I haven't seen the post on monsanto, but without getting side tracked into the potential disasters of gom'd food products on human body and health, I would urge people to avoid gmo'd seeds since once the seed varieties are mutated out of existence by gmo'd cross pollination, and only patented gmo'd nonreproducing seeds are left, monsanto or whoever owns the patents, controls your food supply. Seed varieties can also be eliminated over time by campaigns that involve spraying arial herbicides that only gmo'd plants are designed to survive.

I remember seeing an article in Forbes Magazine in 2007 most likely, that was on the destruction of most of the lousiana rice crops in whatever year the article was about, due to the contamination from gmo'd rice that was in experimental fields. And at least at one university that was working with the seeds, they had doubled the width of their required perimeter barrier ( of course they and anyone knows the seeds can be spread by other means.)
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It's hard to garden anymore with all the extremes in climate. DH said something about putting up a simple pergola over another area that the plants refuse to grow due to the intense heat. You wouldn't think we would have that problem here in Colorado, but the sun can be even more intense here than in TX because we are so much higher in elevation. The one time of year I HATE - middle of summer!!!!
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The people I knew that farmed a garden several years ago had noted also an increasing harshness of the external environment on the "skin" of the plants, and that the pollinators were increasingly arriving out of phase with the plant stage appropriate for pollination and sometimes the insects they might feast on.
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Many 3+ quakes tonight in the Canary Islands. This is not the normal eq pattern I've seen over the past two events there.

[link to www.emsc-csem.org]
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Many 3+ quakes tonight in the Canary Islands. This is not the normal eq pattern I've seen over the past two events there.

[link to www.emsc-csem.org]
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I've been following this quite close, this is getting serious.
It is understanding that transforms us, not merely the desire for change, and until a man obtains a thorough understanding of the nature of evil and so becomes equipped to respond wisely to its challenges, he will necessarily be detrimentally affected by it.
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Many 3+ quakes tonight in the Canary Islands. This is not the normal eq pattern I've seen over the past two events there.

[link to www.emsc-csem.org]
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I've been following this quite close, this is getting serious.
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Yes it is, Shad. I followed Idgit's threads on El Hierro the last two times there was shaking going on there and I remember that it was rare to get a 3+ during both those events. It seems to be almost constantly shaking.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
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And Luis posted over on El Q's thread that there are possibly 3 gas vents that have opened up by the Ramon Margalef.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
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From ELQ's thread

We had 20 whales beach themselves on Noordhoek beach
today....that in Cape Town South Africa.Only 2 survived
the rest had to be distroyed...so so sad...

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I am so sorry to hear this. That is so awfully sad.
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Not good usually a large earthquake event pre-cursor. Be wary, stay safe.
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We've had some good size shakers today also
[link to www.aeic.alaska.edu]

[link to www.avo.alaska.edu]
They fixed this so you can see the intensity and duration
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Last year I did a lot of research posted it here and on ELQ's thread
Here's a thread today from Climate Change Watcher and I think that quake in Russia last week at Lake Baikal posted info here was methane related. I updated the links
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"An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs
Abrupt climate change just around the corner peeps. Looks like the whole Arctic ice sheet is on the move and breaking up early:

March 22, 2013 video of Arctic ice breaking, cracks and on the move: [link to www.youtube.com]

Paul Beckwith, climatologist studying abrupt climate change: "For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart."

Beckwith goes on to say, "This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations."

(from Part-time professor and climatologist Paul Beckwith)


Record Methane in Arctic early March 2013:
"Methane levels for this period are at record highs in the Barents and Norwegian Seas, i.e. the highest levels ever recorded by IASI, which is is short for Infrared Atmospheric Sounding Interferometer, a Fourier transform spectrometer on board the European EUMETSAT Metop satellite that has supplied data since 2007."
[link to arctic-news.blogspot.co.uk]

"This has the potential to release vast quantities of methane trapped by ice below the surface - billions of tonnes of methane. World-wide, peat bogs store at least two trillion tons of CO2. This is equivalent to a century of emissions from fossil fuels."
[link to www.examiner.com]

This my friend, is the REAL REASON DHS ordered all those bullets. We are living on our own self-induced asteroid. Don't need to worry about what's incoming but rather what we are currently standing on.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs
It boggles the mind that the current methane crisis (because that's what it is) gets so little attention by ANYONE. It's not a joke. People don't seem to realize that a lot of shit going on in the oceans right now (mass die offs and bizarre animal behavior) are tied directly to the methane releases that are going on with increasing frequency. Not to mention the alarming rate in which the ice sheets are disintegrating and releasing methane into the atmosphere. And this is not something that is going to slow - we've reached a tipping point and it is just going to get worse until there's no one left to give a shit...

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Also Dettro - who reading that site, do you know the country without opening each post?
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I have these as open tabs

1. [link to cnt.rm.ingv.it]

2. [link to cnt.rm.ingv.it]

3. [link to cnt.rm.ingv.it]


The 1st one is where all the "big"(from 5 mag and up) or significate Quakes get post.

The 2nd link is where they calculated if there is going to be a destructive tsunami, its an EArthquake Rapid Location sYstem with EStimation of Tsunamigenesis.
Here is a link to see how the EArthquake Rapid Location sYstem with EStimation of Tsunamigenesis calculated the Japan Tsunami
[link to alomax.free.fr]

This is a small video of how the EArthquake Rapid Location sYstem with EStimation of Tsunamigenesis graph looked when the quake hit and the calculation of the Tsunami.
[link to s3.rm.ingv.it]

The 3rd link is where all the movements/EQ's are posted small and big some don't make it to the main EQ sites some do ,now you have to click Channel(station) it usually has letters like this :AU_MTN( this is a station for Australia Manton Dam, Northern Territor) [link to www.iris.edu] to those letters there is another set of letters that are always the same like this: HF(BRB)
if you click on HF or BRB it will take you to the seismograph for those stations [link to alomax.free.fr] and there you can see if it was a big quake or not. And like i said if you keep seeing the same station or another station around that area showing movements/EQ's around the same area over and over,then it means that there might be a chance for a big EQ there.
I hope this makes sense,i'm a bit tired. And please excuse all my typo's.
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These are amazing links/sites Dettro, will take me some time to acclimate, but thanks very much!
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Many 3+ quakes tonight in the Canary Islands. This is not the normal eq pattern I've seen over the past two events there.

[link to www.emsc-csem.org]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


I've been following this quite close, this is getting serious.
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Yes it is, Shad. I followed Idgit's threads on El Hierro the last two times there was shaking going on there and I remember that it was rare to get a 3+ during both those events. It seems to be almost constantly shaking.
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The beta version of global incident site breaks down quakes by mag....noticed last evening they started moving from high 2s to 3s. They are becoming frequent and seem to be slowly climbing....3s seemed pretty regular late in the day and they are koving to high 3s tonight.

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03/24/2013 10:33 PM

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Isis and Dettro....thanks for explaining that. I opened that site earlier today and my eyes glazed over!!
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Last year I did a lot of research posted it here and on ELQ's thread
Here's a thread today from Climate Change Watcher and I think that quake in Russia last week at Lake Baikal posted info here was methane related. I updated the links
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"An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs
Abrupt climate change just around the corner peeps. Looks like the whole Arctic ice sheet is on the move and breaking up early:

March 22, 2013 video of Arctic ice breaking, cracks and on the move: [link to www.youtube.com]

Paul Beckwith, climatologist studying abrupt climate change: "For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart."

Beckwith goes on to say, "This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations."

(from Part-time professor and climatologist Paul Beckwith)


Record Methane in Arctic early March 2013:
"Methane levels for this period are at record highs in the Barents and Norwegian Seas, i.e. the highest levels ever recorded by IASI, which is is short for Infrared Atmospheric Sounding Interferometer, a Fourier transform spectrometer on board the European EUMETSAT Metop satellite that has supplied data since 2007."
[link to arctic-news.blogspot.co.uk]

"This has the potential to release vast quantities of methane trapped by ice below the surface - billions of tonnes of methane. World-wide, peat bogs store at least two trillion tons of CO2. This is equivalent to a century of emissions from fossil fuels."
[link to www.examiner.com]

This my friend, is the REAL REASON DHS ordered all those bullets. We are living on our own self-induced asteroid. Don't need to worry about what's incoming but rather what we are currently standing on.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs
It boggles the mind that the current methane crisis (because that's what it is) gets so little attention by ANYONE. It's not a joke. People don't seem to realize that a lot of shit going on in the oceans right now (mass die offs and bizarre animal behavior) are tied directly to the methane releases that are going on with increasing frequency. Not to mention the alarming rate in which the ice sheets are disintegrating and releasing methane into the atmosphere. And this is not something that is going to slow - we've reached a tipping point and it is just going to get worse until there's no one left to give a shit...
 Quoting: AKObserver


AK, this is pretty mind boggling. Got this from wiki on methane release

As with the current increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide, a large methane release will undoubtedly contribute to an increase in acid rain, and, through its impact on global warming, a further rise of sea level, increased desertification, increased heavy precipitation, and extreme weather events. The slowing of ocean circulation or its actual stagnation because of greater planetary warmth are also possibilities. Such a slowing would paradoxically produce a decreased transport of warm water to the coasts of northeastern North America and northernmost Europe, making for much colder winters. In addition, the destabilization of methane within seafloor sediments can send 20 meter (60 foot) high tsunamis crashing into nearby coastlines.

A methane catastrophe can have other major consequences in addition to sudden global warming. It can accelerate the slow but deadly acidification of the surface ocean (down to about 100 meters, or about 300 feet), which is now occurring as a result of the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and ocean. The methane can combine with dissolved oceanic oxygen, depleting the deeper part of the ocean (that is, the ocean below about 100 meters) of oxygen, and killing off the oxygen-using (aerobic) organisms at those depths. As acidification penetrates the deep ocean, even organisms that do not use oxygen (anaerobes) will be affected.

Then there are the worst case scenarios. With the warming of the world ocean, its chemical balance and biological composition will change. The ocean will become stratified, with mixing between its surface and the deep ocean becoming increasingly restricted. If the deep ocean becomes fully anoxic (devoid of oxygen), it will also become toxic, as the remaining anaerobic organisms pump out the deadly gas hydrogen sulfide. In sufficient quantities, that gas could escape oceanic confinement to poison the atmosphere and, combining with the iron in the blood's hemoglobin, kill terrestrial organisms, including us.

But the composition of the atmosphere could also change in a second way, because the amount of free oxygen depends on two things: the actual production of oxygen (by the ocean's photosynthetic plankton and terrestrial green plants) and the delivery of large amounts of carbon (as part of a "rain" of organic debris from organisms closer to the surface) to the ocean's bottom. This carbon, if not removed from the global carbon cycle by sinking and eventual burial in the ocean floor, will combine with oxygen and lower its concentration in the atmosphere.

Once oceanic anoxia kills off aerobic marine organisms (those which require oxygen to live), the natural regulatory system for carbon will be sent into a tailspin. The amount of organic debris produced in surface waters will likely be reduced, the amount that rapidly descends to the ocean floor will be reduced, and the proportion that gets decomposed on the way to the bottom will be significantly reduced. Exactly how this will play out is unclear, because certain of these changes will operate to slow the removal of carbon from the global carbon cycle (which will act to decrease the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere

Last Edited by Isis One on 03/24/2013 10:45 PM
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