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The Greatest Story Never Told

 
Lisa*Lisa

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Have You Accepted Jesus As Your Savior Yet? What Are You Waiting For?

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"Tell them, I love them" - Jesus Christ

"If love were a tree, compassion would be its fruit." - unknown
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A dear friend's website [link to www.savemenowjesus.com]
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2 Corinthians 12:9 - "Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me."

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One of the greatest things you can do for God is to show love to His other kids.
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Thanks, Lisa. In its own way the message is the same as your latest thread: We have an incredible heavenly Father who loves us with an incredible love to the point of making an incredible sacrifice.

I recommend that thread to everyone:

Thread: A Letter From Your Father & Other Goodies!
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Thanks, Lisa. In its own way the message is the same as your latest thread: We have an incredible heavenly Father who loves us with an incredible love to the point of making an incredible sacrifice.

I recommend that thread to everyone:

Thread: A Letter From Your Father & Other Goodies!
 Quoting: Life and Love


Our Father is awesome!!!!!! Praise Him!!!!!!


chorusgrouphug
Have You Accepted Jesus As Your Savior Yet? What Are You Waiting For?

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"Tell them, I love them" - Jesus Christ

"If love were a tree, compassion would be its fruit." - unknown
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2 Corinthians 12:9 - "Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me."

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One of the greatest things you can do for God is to show love to His other kids.
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I feel sorry for the people who refuse to open their hearts an d minds! Jesus is real. We have all grown up with him in our lives! And without God, Mother Mary, and Jesus, none of us would exist. I love you Jesus,
With all of my heart! I hope they will see before it's too late!


All luv,j
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The young couple huddled together in the waiting room. They had chosen this hospital for their little girl because it was the best in the city and because the young man's Dad was Chief of Staff. The diagnosis was heartrending; their little girl was suffering from a rare blood disease.

As they heard footsteps approach, their eyes sought the doctor's, looking for any sign of hope in his face. Their fears were confirmed when he pulled up a chair to talk with them.

"The news isn't good," he told them. "We have researched the literature, discussed it with the staff, and brought in specialists as consultants. Nothing we could do would help."

"How long does she have?" asked the young dad.

"Just a few days. It depends on whether your daughter's body can make some antibodies, but so far that hasn't happened. It would only just delay the inevitable anyway."

They all sat in silence for awhile. Then the young man said, "The problem is that her body isn't making antibodies?"

"Yes. we could give her stronger medicine to help, but the medicine itself would kill her."

Silence again. And then after a long pause, the young man said, "How about me? Couldn't you give the disease to me and have my body make the antibodies for my little girl?"

"But that would kill you!" exclaimed the doctor.

"But it would save my little girl, wouldn't it?" he shouted back.

"Yes," replied the doctor reluctantly. "Yes, it would. Your antibodies would cure her of the disease. But just as sure as it would cure her, the treatment will kill you."

"Then, do it!" cried the young man. "Do it! Save my little girl!"

"You don't understand," said the doctor. "This treatment is excruciating. You have never felt such pain. And we can't give you anything for the pain, or the treatment won't work."

Another long pause, and then quietly, "Do it."

"No," said the doctor. "It's unethical. I won't"

"Then let me talk to my Dad. He's the Chief of Staff here."

"You've got until tomorrow morning. After that, you little girl will be too far gone for your antibodies to do any good."

It was a long night. The young man talked with his Dad for most of it. His Dad confirmed that the treatment would work, but the price would be the life of his son.

"Is there any other way, Dad?" the young man asked.

"No, son. It's this or nothing."

"Then we have to do it! You have to help me, because the doctor told me that he wouldn't."

"OK, son. I'm in. I'll do it personally. I'll administer the medicine myself. That will protect the other doctors here."

The next morning everything was ready for the young man. Before going to the treatment room, he visited his little girl one last time. She was so weak and fragile, nothing like she had been just a few months ago. They didn't say much, but that short visit convinced the young man that his course of action was right: he would sacrifice his life so that his little daughter could live.

When the young man got to the treatment room, he was unnerved by what he saw, but having his Dad there by his side helped.
He got up on the table, resigned to his fate but convinced that his decision was the correct one.

They strapped him down tightly, telling him that the pain would be so bad that he would thrash about wildly if they didn't.

Just before beginning, his Dad came close and whispered in his ear, "Are you sure, son?"

He answered, "I've never been more sure of anything in my life."

The Dad placed a call button in his son's restrained hand. "This is in case the pain gets intense and you change your mind. Press it, and the treatment stops."

"I won't use it, Dad. I know I won't."

When the treatment started, the young man didn't feel anything for a few moments. Then it hit him hard. The doctor was right. He had never felt such searing pain tearing through his body.

"How much longer?" he asked his Dad.

"Several hours," the Dad sobbed back.

The pain wouldn't let up. There was no relief anywhere. The only thing he could do was to press the button to stop the treatment, and he was determined not to do that.

Wave after wave of pain shot through his body. Every now and then he would lose focus, but the memory of his little girl would bring him back.

What sustained him through the treatment was her image. He saw her running and jumping, enjoying life like only a three year old can, totally cured of her disease.

He saw her going off to her first day of school; going on her first date; graduating from school; getting married; having a family of her own. Over and over he relived those dreams, and each time they became more clear and life like.

But after awhile even this couldn't keep him focused. His mind wandered. He would lose consciousness from time to time.

"Where's my Dad?" he would ask, even though his father was standing by his side for the entire ordeal.

Somehow he knew when the end was near and the treatment about to finish, because as he breathed his last, he had a smile on his face.

The doctors worked quickly to gather the antibodies from the young man's blood and inject them into his daughter. It took awhile, but after a couple of hours everyone could tell the difference, and in a day or two she had recovered. She was going to be fine and live a normal life. But oh at what cost.

--------------------------------

What happened on the cross as viewed from the foot of the cross is well documented in the Gospels.

But what happened on the cross as viewed from the cross itself is less well known. That was the purpose of the story I told... one that I made up -- an imperfect analogy -- but one that nonetheless illustrates some of what happened on the cross... and why.

We like the little girl have a disease -- something abnormal -- and that disease is what we call "sin." Nothing can destroy the power of sin except the wrath of God, and if God's wrath were ever poured out directly on us, then, yes, the sin would be destroyed, but the price would be our lives. Just like the little girl.

So what happened in my story was that the young man who didn't have the disease, took his little girl's disease into himself. He became that disease, so that his father's medicine could destroy the disease's power, and it killed him.

Likewise, Jesus who was without sin took our sins upon himself so that their power could be destroyed by the only thing that could: the wrath of God. And it killed him.

The Apostle Paul says it this way:
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Cor 5:21 NIV)

Just like the Dad in my story never deserted his son, neither did the Father desert Jesus on the cross.

Just like the young man refused to push the call button to stop the painful treatment, neither did Jesus call down hosts of angels from heaven to rescue him from the cross.

The young man's love for his little girl moved him to make the sacrifice he made. And in our story of Good Friday it was the love not the nails that kept Christ on the cross.

Christ our Passover is sacrificed
... for us. for us... not just because of us... for us.

That's a lot to grasp! But once we get a glimpse of what really happened on the cross, so much more of our Christian life falls into place.

The little girl didn't understand what had happened for a long time. She was only three. At first all she knew was that she had been sick and now was well.... and missed her Daddy terribly.

Every year on his birthday and on the anniversary of his death, she'd do something special to remember him. At first her mom had to help, but as the years passed, it all became clearer to her: she had an incredible Dad who loved her with an incredible Love.

So do we.

[Amen]
 Quoting: Life and Love


Beautiful sermon OP.

One line reminded me as your Catholic friend.

"Christ our Passover is sacrificed"

Things are made greater in the New Covenant, yes? Much
greater. What did they do with the Passover Lamb once
it was sacrificed? They consumed it.

I consume God, Jesus Christ, the Passover Lamb in the
New Covenant when I receive Him in the Holy Eucharist.

rose rose rose

see how this is God's plan,
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OP, after reading The Greatest Story Never Told, it
reminded me of God the Father's story:

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The Father Speaks to His Children


July 1, 1932

God the Father -

..."Realize then, 0 men, that for all eternity I have had but one desire, to make Myself known to men and be loved by them. I wish to stay for ever with them.
Do you want an authentic proof of this desire that I have just expressed?
Why did I command Moses to build a tabernacle and the ark of the covenant, if not to come and dwell, as a Father, a brother, a close friend, with My creatures, men? This was My ardent desire. In spite of this, they have forgotten Me and offended Me with countless sins. I gave Moses My commandments to remind them, in spite of everything, of God, their Father, and of His sole wish, to save them. They were supposed to observe the commandments and thereby remember their infinitely good Father, always intent upon their present and eternal salvation.

All this was forgotten and men sank into error and fear, considering that the observance of the commandments as I had transmitted them to Moses was too taxing. They made up other laws in accordance with their. whims, in order to observe them more easily. Little by little, in the exaggerated fear they had of Me, they forgot Me more and more and heaped outrages upon Me.

Yet My love for these men, My children, never quite ceased. When I realized that neither the patriarchs nor the prophets had been able to make Me known and loved by men, I decided to come Myself.

But how could I come among them? There was no other way than to come Myself, in the second Person of My divinity.

Would men know Me? Would they listen to Me?

Nothing in the future was hidden from Me; I Myself answered these two questions:

"They will ignore My presence, even though they will be near Me. In My Son they will treat Me cruelly, notwithstanding all the good He will do for them. In My Son they will speak ill of Me, they will crucify Me to bring about My death."

Shall I stop because of this? No, My love for My children, men, is too great.

I did not stop there. Understand well that I loved you, as it were, more than My beloved Son, or rather, more than Myself.

What I am telling you is so true that, if one of My creatures had been enough to atone for the sins of other men through a life and death similar to those of My Son, I would have hesitated. Why? Because I would have betrayed My love by making a beloved creature suffer, rather than suffering Myself, in My Son. I would never have wished MY children to suffer."
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Hi life and love,
hf

That was by far, the best analogy descibing the love of Christ Jesus on the cross that I had ever, ever, heard!

I must have missed this thread. Thanks friend for sharing this.

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Wow, I absolutely treasure this story! What an awesome analogy of the love our Father has for us, his kids! Thank you so much for putting this out there!

Hope you are well and blessed!
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Wow, I absolutely treasure this story! What an awesome analogy of the love our Father has for us, his kids! Thank you so much for putting this out there!

Hope you are well and blessed!
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I just saw your post DG! Thank you so much!

Sometimes "just the facts, ma'am" don't describe things as well as a story/narrative.
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I got your PM's and I love that sermon! I wish all pastors would use that on Passover. That is such a perfect analogy of our Father's unconditonal love and the selflessness of Christ and the pain He suffered on the cross. I wish everyone could get the depth of this message.

Keep looking up! hf
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I got your PM's and I love that sermon! I wish all pastors would use that on Passover. That is such a perfect analogy of our Father's unconditonal love and the selflessness of Christ and the pain He suffered on the cross. I wish everyone could get the depth of this message.

Keep looking up! hf
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This year I have Maundy Thursday instead of Good Friday. I'll be speaking on what was "new" in the "new commandment" of John 13:34-35.

Always looking up! hf

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Bumping because this message needs to get to the masses! It's truth plain and simple....

Thank you for putting it out there!hf
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I guess it’s just the Christian way that you guys only kiss and fondle each other, and never those who disagree with you.
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The young couple huddled together in the waiting room. They had chosen this hospital for their little girl because it was the best in the city and because the young man's Dad was Chief of Staff. The diagnosis was heartrending; their little girl was suffering from a rare blood disease.

As they heard footsteps approach, their eyes sought the doctor's, looking for any sign of hope in his face. Their fears were confirmed when he pulled up a chair to talk with them.

"The news isn't good," he told them. "We have researched the literature, discussed it with the staff, and brought in specialists as consultants. Nothing we could do would help."

"How long does she have?" asked the young dad.

"Just a few days. It depends on whether your daughter's body can make some antibodies, but so far that hasn't happened. It would only just delay the inevitable anyway."

They all sat in silence for awhile. Then the young man said, "The problem is that her body isn't making antibodies?"

"Yes. we could give her stronger medicine to help, but the medicine itself would kill her."

Silence again. And then after a long pause, the young man said, "How about me? Couldn't you give the disease to me and have my body make the antibodies for my little girl?"

"But that would kill you!" exclaimed the doctor.

"But it would save my little girl, wouldn't it?" he shouted back.

"Yes," replied the doctor reluctantly. "Yes, it would. Your antibodies would cure her of the disease. But just as sure as it would cure her, the treatment will kill you."

"Then, do it!" cried the young man. "Do it! Save my little girl!"

"You don't understand," said the doctor. "This treatment is excruciating. You have never felt such pain. And we can't give you anything for the pain, or the treatment won't work."

Another long pause, and then quietly, "Do it."

"No," said the doctor. "It's unethical. I won't"

"Then let me talk to my Dad. He's the Chief of Staff here."

"You've got until tomorrow morning. After that, you little girl will be too far gone for your antibodies to do any good."

It was a long night. The young man talked with his Dad for most of it. His Dad confirmed that the treatment would work, but the price would be the life of his son.

"Is there any other way, Dad?" the young man asked.

"No, son. It's this or nothing."

"Then we have to do it! You have to help me, because the doctor told me that he wouldn't."

"OK, son. I'm in. I'll do it personally. I'll administer the medicine myself. That will protect the other doctors here."

The next morning everything was ready for the young man. Before going to the treatment room, he visited his little girl one last time. She was so weak and fragile, nothing like she had been just a few months ago. They didn't say much, but that short visit convinced the young man that his course of action was right: he would sacrifice his life so that his little daughter could live.

When the young man got to the treatment room, he was unnerved by what he saw, but having his Dad there by his side helped.
He got up on the table, resigned to his fate but convinced that his decision was the correct one.

They strapped him down tightly, telling him that the pain would be so bad that he would thrash about wildly if they didn't.

Just before beginning, his Dad came close and whispered in his ear, "Are you sure, son?"

He answered, "I've never been more sure of anything in my life."

The Dad placed a call button in his son's restrained hand. "This is in case the pain gets intense and you change your mind. Press it, and the treatment stops."

"I won't use it, Dad. I know I won't."

When the treatment started, the young man didn't feel anything for a few moments. Then it hit him hard. The doctor was right. He had never felt such searing pain tearing through his body.

"How much longer?" he asked his Dad.

"Several hours," the Dad sobbed back.

The pain wouldn't let up. There was no relief anywhere. The only thing he could do was to press the button to stop the treatment, and he was determined not to do that.

Wave after wave of pain shot through his body. Every now and then he would lose focus, but the memory of his little girl would bring him back.

What sustained him through the treatment was her image. He saw her running and jumping, enjoying life like only a three year old can, totally cured of her disease.

He saw her going off to her first day of school; going on her first date; graduating from school; getting married; having a family of her own. Over and over he relived those dreams, and each time they became more clear and life like.

But after awhile even this couldn't keep him focused. His mind wandered. He would lose consciousness from time to time.

"Where's my Dad?" he would ask, even though his father was standing by his side for the entire ordeal.

Somehow he knew when the end was near and the treatment about to finish, because as he breathed his last, he had a smile on his face.

The doctors worked quickly to gather the antibodies from the young man's blood and inject them into his daughter. It took awhile, but after a couple of hours everyone could tell the difference, and in a day or two she had recovered. She was going to be fine and live a normal life. But oh at what cost.

--------------------------------

What happened on the cross as viewed from the foot of the cross is well documented in the Gospels.

But what happened on the cross as viewed from the cross itself is less well known. That was the purpose of the story I told... one that I made up -- an imperfect analogy -- but one that nonetheless illustrates some of what happened on the cross... and why.

We like the little girl have a disease -- something abnormal -- and that disease is what we call "sin." Nothing can destroy the power of sin except the wrath of God, and if God's wrath were ever poured out directly on us, then, yes, the sin would be destroyed, but the price would be our lives. Just like the little girl.

So what happened in my story was that the young man who didn't have the disease, took his little girl's disease into himself. He became that disease, so that his father's medicine could destroy the disease's power, and it killed him.

Likewise, Jesus who was without sin took our sins upon himself so that their power could be destroyed by the only thing that could: the wrath of God. And it killed him.

The Apostle Paul says it this way:
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Cor 5:21 NIV)

Just like the Dad in my story never deserted his son, neither did the Father desert Jesus on the cross.

Just like the young man refused to push the call button to stop the painful treatment, neither did Jesus call down hosts of angels from heaven to rescue him from the cross.

The young man's love for his little girl moved him to make the sacrifice he made. And in our story of Good Friday it was the love not the nails that kept Christ on the cross.

Christ our Passover is sacrificed... for us. for us... not just because of us... for us.

That's a lot to grasp! But once we get a glimpse of what really happened on the cross, so much more of our Christian life falls into place.

The little girl didn't understand what had happened for a long time. She was only three. At first all she knew was that she had been sick and now was well.... and missed her Daddy terribly.

Every year on his birthday and on the anniversary of his death, she'd do something special to remember him. At first her mom had to help, but as the years passed, it all became clearer to her: she had an incredible Dad who loved her with an incredible Love.

So do we.

[Amen]
 Quoting: Life and Love


Like you said..you made it up...cant you see your brainwashed.

I bet you were brought up to believe from birth. OR Got busted bad and found GOD. Few grow up asking questions and then later find god (lowecase) unless there is a major life event they cannot explain, so there is only god.

When god comes down to take care of his children. Then I might think about it.

pray for me!!
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:same question:
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:same question:
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whatever...thumpers always have some bs answer that dont amount to bsmeter
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:same question:
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whatever...thumpers always have some bs answer that dont amount to bsmeter
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To end it, would mean you wouldn't get saved.
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Like you said..you made it up...cant you see your brainwashed.

I bet you were brought up to believe from birth. OR Got busted bad and found GOD. Few grow up asking questions and then later find god (lowercase) unless there is a major life event they cannot explain, so there is only god.

When god comes down to take care of his children. Then I might think about it.

pray for me!!
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I appreciate your reading my post.

And, yes, something like you said will be happening, and yes, I'm sure you'll be thinking about it then.

hf
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:same question:
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A thought provoking sentiment.
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Using one fictional tale to validate another fictional tale? Interesting.
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Using one fictional tale to validate another fictional tale? Interesting.
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Thank you for reading my post. I'm sorry you misunderstood its intent.

hf
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You need to post more threads, my friend.

:JCD7:
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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You need to post more threads, my friend.

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Thanks for your encouragement! hf
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Like you said..you made it up...cant you see your brainwashed.

I bet you were brought up to believe from birth. OR Got busted bad and found GOD. Few grow up asking questions and then later find god (lowercase) unless there is a major life event they cannot explain, so there is only god.

When god comes down to take care of his children. Then I might think about it.

pray for me!!
 Quoting: Relativity


I appreciate your reading my post.

And, yes, something like you said will be happening, and yes, I'm sure you'll be thinking about it then.

hf
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Trust me....(no sarcasm) I cant wait!!!Lucy has some esplainin to do...
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Am I the only person who has realized that Jesus Christ was a fraud? Do you remember David Koresh? Imagine after David Koresh's death that some of his followers who survived wanted to continue their cult. In order to do so they would have to state that their son of God was either not dead or resurrected. Its possible if they had a good message their cult could eventually develop into the most popular religion on the planet. Christianity is a wacky religion just as wacky as Mormonism or Scientology. Its hard to realize this from a Christian point of view. All religions are false. We live on a planet with 7 billion people, 99% of whom are cult members who want to destroy other cults. The main organizing principle of the human race is the cult. What future do you see for humanity?

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Am I the only person who has realized that Jesus Christ was a fraud? Do you remember David Koresh? Imagine after David Koresh's death that some of his followers who survived wanted to continue their cult. In order to do so they would have to state that their son of God was either not dead or resurrected. Its possible if they had a good message their cult could eventually develop into the most popular religion on the planet. Christianity is a wacky religion just as wacky as Mormonism or Scientology. Its hard to realize this from a Christian point of view. All religions are false. We live on a planet with 7 billion people, 99% of whom are cult members who want to destroy other cults. The main organizing principle of the human race is the cult. What future do you see for humanity?

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 Quoting: Adaluncatif


I don't think the last 2,000 years of history supports your conclusion. All you have to do is compare the impact of Jesus on the world (even the irreligious world) vs. that of David Koresh to see you're on the wrong track.

But thanks for contributing to the thread.

hf
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Am I the only person who has realized that Jesus Christ was a fraud? Do you remember David Koresh? Imagine after David Koresh's death that some of his followers who survived wanted to continue their cult. In order to do so they would have to state that their son of God was either not dead or resurrected. Its possible if they had a good message their cult could eventually develop into the most popular religion on the planet. Christianity is a wacky religion just as wacky as Mormonism or Scientology. Its hard to realize this from a Christian point of view. All religions are false. We live on a planet with 7 billion people, 99% of whom are cult members who want to destroy other cults. The main organizing principle of the human race is the cult. What future do you see for humanity?

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 Quoting: Adaluncatif


I don't think the last 2,000 years of history supports your conclusion. All you have to do is compare the impact of Jesus on the world (even the irreligious world) vs. that of David Koresh to see you're on the wrong track.

But thanks for contributing to the thread.

hf
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Are you Serious!!!!!!

2,000 years of death and bloodshed all in the name of GOD as percieved by many.

I think history supports his claim just fine..

No disrespect.

hf
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Am I the only person who has realized that Jesus Christ was a fraud? Do you remember David Koresh? Imagine after David Koresh's death that some of his followers who survived wanted to continue their cult. In order to do so they would have to state that their son of God was either not dead or resurrected. Its possible if they had a good message their cult could eventually develop into the most popular religion on the planet. Christianity is a wacky religion just as wacky as Mormonism or Scientology. Its hard to realize this from a Christian point of view. All religions are false. We live on a planet with 7 billion people, 99% of whom are cult members who want to destroy other cults. The main organizing principle of the human race is the cult. What future do you see for humanity?

Idol1
 Quoting: Adaluncatif


I don't think the last 2,000 years of history supports your conclusion. All you have to do is compare the impact of Jesus on the world (even the irreligious world) vs. that of David Koresh to see you're on the wrong track.

But thanks for contributing to the thread.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Are you Serious!!!!!!

2,000 years of death and bloodshed all in the name of GOD as perceived by many.

I think history supports his claim just fine..

No disrespect.

hf
 Quoting: Relativity


I don't sense any disrespect. hf

Yes, you are correct: lots of bloodshed in the name of God. But also a thousand times more not in the name of God. (Of course the name is available for anyone to use, whether he or she is following Jesus or not.)

I suggest you read "Who is This Man?" by John Ortberg, which describes in non-religious terms the impact Jesus has had on society.

[link to www.amazon.com]

If nothing else, just read the reviews.
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Am I the only person who has realized that Jesus Christ was a fraud? Do you remember David Koresh? Imagine after David Koresh's death that some of his followers who survived wanted to continue their cult. In order to do so they would have to state that their son of God was either not dead or resurrected. Its possible if they had a good message their cult could eventually develop into the most popular religion on the planet. Christianity is a wacky religion just as wacky as Mormonism or Scientology. Its hard to realize this from a Christian point of view. All religions are false. We live on a planet with 7 billion people, 99% of whom are cult members who want to destroy other cults. The main organizing principle of the human race is the cult. What future do you see for humanity?

Idol1
 Quoting: Adaluncatif


I don't think the last 2,000 years of history supports your conclusion. All you have to do is compare the impact of Jesus on the world (even the irreligious world) vs. that of David Koresh to see you're on the wrong track.

But thanks for contributing to the thread.

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Are you Serious!!!!!!

2,000 years of death and bloodshed all in the name of GOD as perceived by many.

I think history supports his claim just fine..

No disrespect.

hf
 Quoting: Relativity


I don't sense any disrespect. hf

Yes, you are correct: lots of bloodshed in the name of God. But also a thousand times more not in the name of God. (Of course the name is available for anyone to use, whether he or she is following Jesus or not.)

I suggest you read "Who is This Man?" by John Ortberg, which describes in non-religious terms the impact Jesus has had on society.

[link to www.amazon.com]

If nothing else, just read the reviews.
 Quoting: Life and Love


All people should be smart and always keep minds open. This world we live in has too many unanswered questions.

Looking to always seek the truth and ask questions is a good thing...you are entitled to your beliefs whatever that may be. Just pass that respect along to others that may not share your beliefs or vision.

respect and peace to all

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