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What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?

 
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What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues.


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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
He was as I understand it, a national fundamentalist. If it were America then every child would have a mother and father in the government and the blood relatives would only be granted access to the children if they obey the standards set by the doctrine. Under this system wealth is distributed based on merit. Criminals would be re-educated instead of "punished". True punishment would mean being banished from the order. If I had to put my stamp on it I'd say he was a moderate because so many things fly to the left and right that to just say "it's right" doesn't tell the whole story.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
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^^^This
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
 Quoting: Evanight


The term "Nazi" is an ACRONYM for the National SOCIALIST party in Germany. The "right wing" label is just more libtard bullshit from wackypedia and other libtard "proof" sites.

Ever wonder why libtards sound so crazy about everything? It's because they have so many LIES to remember! lmao ohyeah
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
National Socialism itself was supposed to defy political labels.

The old left and right wing were to be made obsolete by the natural selection of Fascism.

The labels applied to it are often put there be those who don't understand it.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
 Quoting: Evanight


[link to www.youtube.com]

^^^This
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I feckin love mel brooks, thanks for that.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
 Quoting: Evanight


Being a right winger definitely does not absolve you from being corrupt by default, in fact a lot of people who identify themselves as right wing are in fact some of the more corrupt. I think that saying so is inaccurate.

In the end Nazism had absolutely nothing to do with Socialism other than using the base and leading them due to their own naivete. It was hyperactive Jingoist Racism plain and simple, along with a fairly twisted leadership who had an entrenched ideology.

The same thing happens in all sorts of settings where conservative leadership does the same thing, it is not isolated to Socialism by itself, but you have to understand where Socialism usually takes shape, from the people who have nothing, so in a lot of cases people take the left wing for what was done in the end by insanely corrupt loons.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
What Obvious Soup said.

I was going to say also - that Hitler's use of the word Socialism was different from what is traditionally thought of as "socialism".

Words can be used and interpreted in various was.

Hippies who live in a commune are not the same as Russian or Cuban interpretations of Communism.

Hitler was a Fascist and Fascism is considered "right wing" as it involves alot of rules, is very structured, and only certain behavior and even people are tolerated.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
socialists and fascists both are Statists
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
When he said "socialist party" I am fairly sure he had the novel "A clockwork orange" in mind.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
NATIONALISM
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
 Quoting: Evanight


Being a right winger definitely does not absolve you from being corrupt by default, in fact a lot of people who identify themselves as right wing are in fact some of the more corrupt. I think that saying so is inaccurate.

In the end Nazism had absolutely nothing to do with Socialism other than using the base and leading them due to their own naivete. It was hyperactive Jingoist Racism plain and simple, along with a fairly twisted leadership who had an entrenched ideology.

The same thing happens in all sorts of settings where conservative leadership does the same thing, it is not isolated to Socialism by itself, but you have to understand where Socialism usually takes shape, from the people who have nothing, so in a lot of cases people take the left wing for what was done in the end by insanely corrupt loons.
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I never said being a "right winger" makes you less corrupt or less likely to be corrupt.

The history of the world shows that the average dictator be he/she label monarch, facsist, socialist, or communist was about "out with the old in with the new" or what they deemed new. That is antithesis to conservatism which like to hold on the the "old guard".
A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues.


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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
Hitler was vilified by the entertainment industry and the Jewish dominated publishing industries ..people have a very distorted view of him because of it.

here are few facts about Hitler you have probably never heard:

Hitler oversaw the most dramatic and sudden rise in any country's prosperity that has ever occurred in history. His economic policies allowed Germany to go from utter despair to economic powerhouse in five years. He did this by excluding private banking gangsters from operating in Germany and printing his own fiat currency. This was the result of international Jews to making economic war on Germany and caused the suffering of so many jews in Germany in retaliation.

Hitler never ordered a systematic slaughter of jews. He wanted them out of Germany and gave them every chance to leave. Concentration camps were for all sorts of undesirables, not just jews. there is no evidence that Hitler gave any such orders.The Nuremberg trials were for war criminals, and many innocent German officers were tried on flimsy and fabricated evidence and executed.

The occupational allied forces forces killed more German citizens AFTER THE WAR than the number of jews that ever lived in Europe. The numbers were in the millions.

Hitler was loved by the German people, who saw him as a savior. There was little dissent among the German people against Hitler until the allied invasion.

NAZI Germany was praised by the American government for it's achievements before America entered the war.

No jew was ever systematically murdered in NAZI occupied Europe because of his religion. Jews that were killed were venomous combatants against Hitlers policy of removing foreign influence from Germanys affairs.

Hitlers main goal was to elimination communism from Europe, and to restore Germany to pre world war 1 borders.

Hitler did not commit suicide, and no body or body parts were ever actually found that could be identified as his. He lived to be almost 100 in Argentina, where he was whisked away to after the war by American intelligence and given a new identity and appearance.

It took all of the countries from both sides of the cold war era conflict to defeat Hitler> Had Hitler not invaded Russia when he did and bit off more than he could shew at once, we would be living in a different world with different masters
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
With regards to eugenics, he has more in common with the political left. Sanger etc.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
With regards to eugenics, he has more in common with the political left. Sanger etc.
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..do you think we should allow people with inferior or defective genetics to reproduce? We don't do that with animals, why do it with humans?
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
When Stalin changed sides, his prior close relationship with NAZI Germany had to be dealt with politically to accomodate the idea of Stalin as an ally

The propaganda machines rolled, and 'fascism', which had been considered as a 'left' adgenda, sudenly became 'right wing', and nazism became 'Extreme right'

Stalin was rehabilitated, and went on to win the war at the expense of the US taxpayer.

As a bonus, Stalin was given Eastern Europe to enslave and oppress, probabl;y as badly as the Nazis had done....

Make sense anyone?....
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When Stalin changed sides, his prior close relationship with NAZI Germany had to be dealt with politically to accomodate the idea of Stalin as an ally

The propaganda machines rolled, and 'fascism', which had been considered as a 'left' adgenda, sudenly became 'right wing', and nazism became 'Extreme right'

Stalin was rehabilitated, and went on to win the war at the expense of the US taxpayer.

As a bonus, Stalin was given Eastern Europe to enslave and oppress, probabl;y as badly as the Nazis had done....

Make sense anyone?....
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yes, it makes sense when you realize the jews behind it have no loyalty to any nation, and operate as a nation to themselves among the nations. The NAZI's were not fascist, which is a product of capitalism taken to it's extreme where industry and banking take over and run the government , which acts as their proxy. Hitlers NAZI party was the exact opposite. the jews take everything and turn it around 180 degrees. The way you can tell they are lying is they are speaking
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
For that matter what made him a "left winger"?

The Nazi's were facist and that is being nice. Hitler had a massive, huge, oppressive and corrupt central government. That is far from a "right winger".

Hitler attack many "liberal" ideals like open borders homosexual equality, but that clearly against the "left wingers".

Hitler was against racial and gender equality. Both "right wingers" and "left wingers" support equality for gender, race, nationality and sometimes sexual preference.

The Nazi/Hitler label is almost always inaccurate and annoying as hell. Please use it more responsibly.
 Quoting: Evanight


Hitler ran a Nazi regime. Nazism is one form of fascism.

Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation and the creation of an ideal "new man" through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.

Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state. Fascists believe in the corporatism of all elements in society to form an Organic State.

Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

Fascism is anti-communist, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian, anti-conservative on certain issues, and in a number of cases anti-capitalist. Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.

In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements. Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How does Nazism differ from other forms of fascism?

Fascism is based on certain political ideology, Nazism was blindly based on racial hatred.

Nazism considered class based society as an enemy and stood for unifying the racial element. But fascism aims to preserve the class system.

Nazism emphasised racism. While fascism considers the state as the most important, Nazism considered Aryanism as more important than the state. Nazism doctrine is based on the superiority of the Aryan race.

[link to www.differencebetween.net]
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The Jews were not and are not influential in this, a few very rich Jewish and non-Jewish banking families may have had some influence. The Jewish connection is a red herring and off topic.

the pre-Hitler DAP (Deuche arbeits patiet) was socialist, when Adolf became leader he changed the name to NSDAP (NAzional Sozialist DAP), it was still a socialist party

At "night of the long knives" Hiler purged the more fanatically socialist elements in the party, along with the SA ch9iefs, so the party 'lurched to the right' but it was still left of centre.

Early newspaper articles in the west describe Hitler as being 'inspired' by communism....
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Hitler ran a Nazi regime. Nazism is one form of fascism.

Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation and the creation of an ideal "new man" through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.

Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state. Fascists believe in the corporatism of all elements in society to form an Organic State.

Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

Fascism is anti-communist, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian, anti-conservative on certain issues, and in a number of cases anti-capitalist. Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.

In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements. Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How does Nazism differ from other forms of fascism?

Fascism is based on certain political ideology, Nazism was blindly based on racial hatred.

Nazism considered class based society as an enemy and stood for unifying the racial element. But fascism aims to preserve the class system.

Nazism emphasised racism. While fascism considers the state as the most important, Nazism considered Aryanism as more important than the state. Nazism doctrine is based on the superiority of the Aryan race.

[link to www.differencebetween.net]
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Fascism was invented by the Roman empire, and nearly all of what you wrote above is either incorrect, taken completely out of proper context, or outright lies.

Hitlers party was national socialist, he hated capitalists and sought and succeeded in getting government control over corporate and financial affairs in germany, which is he exact opposite of fascism.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
The Jews were not and are not influential in this, a few very rich Jewish and non-Jewish banking families may have had some influence. The Jewish connection is a red herring and off topic.

the pre-Hitler DAP (Deuche arbeits patiet) was socialist, when Adolf became leader he changed the name to NSDAP (NAzional Sozialist DAP), it was still a socialist party

At "night of the long knives" Hiler purged the more fanatically socialist elements in the party, along with the SA ch9iefs, so the party 'lurched to the right' but it was still left of centre.

Early newspaper articles in the west describe Hitler as being 'inspired' by communism....
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If you want the truth , you're going to have to forget everything you have been taught, read in a newspaper, or read in a book. What you posted proves you have bought into a distorted propaganda based view of history
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Wikipedia should never be used as a reference simply because anyone can post anything they want to it so long as it has a jewish slant. It's a propaganda outlet and noting more.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
While fascism considers the state as the most important, Nazism considered Aryanism as more important than the state. Nazism doctrine is based on the superiority of the Aryan race.

[link to www.differencebetween.net]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 919411


There is one glaring and obvious problem with this false assertion. Hitler was the leader or Fuhrer of the National Socialist party in Germany and he was clearly not an Aryan. In fact, he had Jewish ancestors and employed thousands of loyal nationalist Jews in the higher ranks of his military and government administration. Hitlers cook and trusted medical staff were jews.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
Fascism is far from being right wing? wow...you're an idiot.
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Fascism is far from being right wing? wow...you're an idiot.
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Usually when you call someone "an idiot" you give a reason. Was that supposed to be a quote? See that quote link in the top right corner, click that.
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Re: What about Hitler make him a "right winger"?
The terms left wing and right wing are really misleading.

When someone visualizes the idea of left and right, they visualize a straight line.

In reality, it's a circle. If you go far enough right, you end up at fascism. If you go far enough left, you end up at fascism.

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