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!!! GRAVITY IS AN ILLUSION... EXPLAINS BRILLIANT PHYSICIST !!!

 
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THIS scientist is an Illusion!

Wow... the pot calling the kettle black!

"You're an Illusion."
"No... YOU"RE an Illusion!"


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No, GLP is the illusion..........:)
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there are 3 types of gravity.

One is the gravity we deal with when we walk on this planet.
The other is the gravity that holds an atom.
the last one is the gravity of love.


-peace
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Because these "string theorists" fail to define their terms and stick with them, like real scientists do, they are able to postulate such crap.

"I know... Let's tell the ignorant masses that gravity is an illusion." Bwahahahaha! "They will believe anything especially if it comes from a "theoretical physicist.""
Bwaahahahaha! "They are so gullible and stupid, they will all think that they can fly." Bwaahahahaha!
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Nobody has implied that this means that people can fly. Nobody has said that other than the fly-tards. Go away, bug!
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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People have to get past the false perception that if something sounds too complicated for them to ever understand that the person or person who embrace it must be intelligent, which translates into credibility for that person or persons.

Like I pointed out before, if science cannot explain why a proton is attracted to an electron, how the hell are they going to claim to understand gravity or magnetism?

this is precisely why I gave up on traditional academic pseudoscience, which hides it's falseness behind complex fictions and gobblygook

You have to learn to crawl before you can run and win a 27 mile marathon.
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Science never was about explainations. It is about descriptions.

Descriptions that allow engineers to build the world you live in.

Oh wait, YOU live under a rock and eat bugs, my bad.
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No, I'm one of those engineers that your life depends upon, and that's precisely how I know the only thing that should be committed to memory as fact is that which is proved.Math can be used to obtain solutions but only within the framework of the known. What theoretical physics is from my perspective is a psychobabbling contest with no rules.

If you can't explain it, you don't understand it. Real science is deriving facts from empirical observation, explaining things, and that is the only legitimate purpose from science. How convenient it is that you do not have to explain!!
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One fine day I decided to look for the truth about life, the universe and everything else.

Have I found it? Well, let us say that what I know is good enough for me.

REgarding gravity being an illusion, hmm well, I think that anyone who stills believes in the existence of the 'world' or 'reality' is mentally insane. You are truly sane only when you understand that nothing really exists at all.
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there are 3 types of gravity.

One is the gravity we deal with when we walk on this planet.
The other is the gravity that holds an atom.
the last one is the gravity of love.


-peace
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Electrostatic charges hold an atom together. The force of attraction is not understood or explained by science
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It's just that science is unable to understand how gravity works.

But this really cracks me up, if a force of nature doesn't fit into their little formulas they just declare the force non-existent. Way to go!
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No, he's trying to go beyond the force-at-a-distance explanation of gravity that Galileo and Newton had to rely on, and even Einstein.

This is my understanding, based on a partial reading of the paper which is available at [link to arxiv.org]

He does not say gravity is an illusion, any more than he says temperature is an illusion. He says that gravity, like temperature, is a macro effect based on micro effects. In both cases it's based on a counting of possible states and something like the Pauli exclusion principle -- that the states, counted correctly, are equally likely. The difference, with gravity, is that the principle is based on the holographic mapping hypothesized by t'Hooft.
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One fine day I decided to look for the truth about life, the universe and everything else.

Have I found it? Well, let us say that what I know is good enough for me.

REgarding gravity being an illusion, hmm well, I think that anyone who stills believes in the existence of the 'world' or 'reality' is mentally insane. You are truly sane only when you understand that nothing really exists at all.
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lmao
yeah, that's good solid thinking sparky! Charlie Manson said the same thing,
If you can't explain it, it doesn't exist!
That noise you heard?

Don't worry, it isn't a bloodthirsty killer sneaking in your bedroom window, BECAUSE NOTHING IS REAL. Keep thinking that way and improve the gene pool.
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Because these "string theorists" fail to define their terms and stick with them, like real scientists do, they are able to postulate such crap.

"I know... Let's tell the ignorant masses that gravity is an illusion." Bwahahahaha! "They will believe anything especially if it comes from a "theoretical physicist.""
Bwaahahahaha! "They are so gullible and stupid, they will all think that they can fly." Bwaahahahaha!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1350796


Nobody has implied that this means that people can fly. Nobody has said that other than the fly-tards. Go away, bug!
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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lol
Nice anecdotal quote...
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lmao
yeah, that's good solid thinking sparky! Charlie Manson said the same thing,
If you can't explain it, it doesn't exist!
That noise you heard?

Don't worry, it isn't a bloodthirsty killer sneaking in your bedroom window, BECAUSE NOTHING IS REAL. Keep thinking that way and improve the gene pool.
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Wrong, I can explain it very well. I can explain how everything you know is not real; how everything is just an illusion -- and why. But in most cases I prefer to keep this knowledge to myself, since it's dangerous to make statements like this in public. Reality is like a 'toy' that people like to play with, so coming around them and saying their preffered toy is cheap, half-broken and ugly will certainly cause a lot of anger that they will direct AT you. People have this idealized view of a perfectly consistent physical reality even at microscopic levels. This couldnt be further from the truth. Reality is like a mirage -- come closer to take a better look at it and suddenly it's no longer there. Most people prefer to remain at a 'safe' distance, even though the view from there is all foggy and murky.
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It's just that science is unable to understand how gravity works.

But this really cracks me up, if a force of nature doesn't fit into their little formulas they just declare the force non-existent. Way to go!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1351224


No, he's trying to go beyond the force-at-a-distance explanation of gravity that Galileo and Newton had to rely on, and even Einstein.

This is my understanding, based on a partial reading of the paper which is available at [link to arxiv.org]

He does not say gravity is an illusion, any more than he says temperature is an illusion. He says that gravity, like temperature, is a macro effect based on micro effects. In both cases it's based on a counting of possible states and something like the Pauli exclusion principle -- that the states, counted correctly, are equally likely. The difference, with gravity, is that the principle is based on the holographic mapping hypothesized by t'Hooft.
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Dude, that's pure nonsense, and having been around genius all my life I recognize it when I see it.

Explain electrostatic forces, then build on that. if you can't you're stuck and you cannot move forward until you do understand them. You can't just say everything is some sort of large effect based on an insignificant one because that makes no real sense.
I'll tell you something, when you do explain electrostatic forces, you're going to understand magnetism and gravity, and the nuclear forces.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire

My guess is Voltaire didn't care too much for jews.
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lmao
yeah, that's good solid thinking sparky! Charlie Manson said the same thing,
If you can't explain it, it doesn't exist!
That noise you heard?

Don't worry, it isn't a bloodthirsty killer sneaking in your bedroom window, BECAUSE NOTHING IS REAL. Keep thinking that way and improve the gene pool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326372


When you understand that everything is an illusion, such knowledge can also be applied in prasctice to allow you to manipulate said illusion. This knowledge can make you achieve real results, at least to you.

Question: "What are your thoughts when facing an opponent?" Bruce Lee: "There is no opponent."
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Everything is real. Just not in the sense that our brains have evolved to believe it to be. Gravity caused by other interacting forces is more belivable to me than all matter constantly emitting unobserved theorized gravitons.
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lmao
yeah, that's good solid thinking sparky! Charlie Manson said the same thing,
If you can't explain it, it doesn't exist!
That noise you heard?

Don't worry, it isn't a bloodthirsty killer sneaking in your bedroom window, BECAUSE NOTHING IS REAL. Keep thinking that way and improve the gene pool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326372


When you understand that everything is an illusion, such knowledge can also be applied in prasctice to allow you to manipulate said illusion. This knowledge can make you achieve real results, at least to you.

Question: "What are your thoughts when facing an opponent?" Bruce Lee: "There is no opponent."
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I think you might have misinterpreted Bruce Lee's words. He wasn't trying to say his opponent didn't exist or that he believed what you do, he was saying his opponent was not his equal, not an opponent because he had no chance to win. By putting the possibility of failure out of his mind , he was able to prevent it. This does not mean he created his own reality and he willed his opponent to lose or to not be present. It means he knew he could beat him and that gave him an advantage. My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
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It's just that science is unable to understand how gravity works.

But this really cracks me up, if a force of nature doesn't fit into their little formulas they just declare the force non-existent. Way to go!
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Not "they".

Him.
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How’s that for a Wednesday evening mind-bender?

Erik Verlinde, a Dutch theoretical physicist and string theorist, has some questions about gravity–one question specifically: where does gravity come from? Turns out, Verlinde explains, that gravity is an illusion.

[link to www.theblaze.com]
 Quoting: Deep Roy



All those words, and he ended up saying nothing at all! Guess he doesn't want to give away his secret for free.

Me either! In fact I know precisely what gravity is and someday will publish it. Who knows, maybe I'll win the Nobel Prize in physics! But first I need to brush up on my math...
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Because these "string theorists" fail to define their terms and stick with them, like real scientists do, they are able to postulate such crap.

"I know... Let's tell the ignorant masses that gravity is an illusion." Bwahahahaha! "They will believe anything especially if it comes from a "theoretical physicist.""
Bwaahahahaha! "They are so gullible and stupid, they will all think that they can fly." Bwaahahahaha!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1350796


Nobody has implied that this means that people can fly. Nobody has said that other than the fly-tards. Go away, bug!
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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lol
Nice anecdotal quote...
blahblah
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Thank you.
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lmao
yeah, that's good solid thinking sparky! Charlie Manson said the same thing,
If you can't explain it, it doesn't exist!
That noise you heard?

Don't worry, it isn't a bloodthirsty killer sneaking in your bedroom window, BECAUSE NOTHING IS REAL. Keep thinking that way and improve the gene pool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326372


When you understand that everything is an illusion, such knowledge can also be applied in prasctice to allow you to manipulate said illusion. This knowledge can make you achieve real results, at least to you.

Question: "What are your thoughts when facing an opponent?" Bruce Lee: "There is no opponent."
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I think you might have misinterpreted Bruce Lee's words. He wasn't trying to say his opponent didn't exist or that he believed what you do, he was saying his opponent was not his equal, not an opponent because he had no chance to win. By putting the possibility of failure out of his mind , he was able to prevent it. This does not mean he created his own reality and he willed his opponent to lose or to not be present. It means he knew he could beat him and that gave him an advantage. My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
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There is no opponent.
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"gravity is an illusion"

Sure, why not ?

We all seem to think that "levity is an illusion",
so to be fair to levity we should likewise consider gravity to be an illusion.
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Everything is real. Just not in the sense that our brains have evolved to believe it to be. Gravity caused by xxxxx interacting forces is more belivable to me than all matter constantly emitting unobserved theorized gravitons.
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Actually this does make sense, and is probably true. There is no such thing as a gravitron.

It's one of those mystery miracle particles like the photon. If it defies the known and proved laws of physics it cannot be entertained as a possibility, nor used in any further expansion on the theory. "gravitons' are 'particles' that move from place to place INSTANTANEOUSLY, That's just DUMB, it's absurd, it's NONSENSE.

In quantum physics we are forced to accept that energy can exist in the absence of mass and that photons possess momentum , but not mass, and all of this because when the particle moves at the speed of light, it cannot have mass because Einstein said it couldn't, it would be converted to 'pure' energy. That's when i asked for a transfer slip.

LMAO!

Energy has two components, mass and motion
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lmao
yeah, that's good solid thinking sparky! Charlie Manson said the same thing,
If you can't explain it, it doesn't exist!
That noise you heard?

Don't worry, it isn't a bloodthirsty killer sneaking in your bedroom window, BECAUSE NOTHING IS REAL. Keep thinking that way and improve the gene pool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326372


When you understand that everything is an illusion, such knowledge can also be applied in prasctice to allow you to manipulate said illusion. This knowledge can make you achieve real results, at least to you.

Question: "What are your thoughts when facing an opponent?" Bruce Lee: "There is no opponent."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1351832


I think you might have misinterpreted Bruce Lee's words. He wasn't trying to say his opponent didn't exist or that he believed what you do, he was saying his opponent was not his equal, not an opponent because he had no chance to win. By putting the possibility of failure out of his mind , he was able to prevent it. This does not mean he created his own reality and he willed his opponent to lose or to not be present. It means he knew he could beat him and that gave him an advantage. My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
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There is no opponent.
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And yet you were made to look like a numb nut, and I am very real
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How’s that for a Wednesday evening mind-bender?

Erik Verlinde, a Dutch theoretical physicist and string theorist, has some questions about gravity–one question specifically: where does gravity come from? Turns out, Verlinde explains, that gravity is an illusion.

[link to www.theblaze.com]
 Quoting: Deep Roy



All those words, and he ended up saying nothing at all! Guess he doesn't want to give away his secret for free.

Me either! In fact I know precisely what gravity is and someday will publish it. Who knows, maybe I'll win the Nobel Prize in physics! But first I need to brush up on my math...
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Lol, so what is gravity, invisible glue?

Bite me!
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I think you might have misinterpreted Bruce Lee's words. He wasn't trying to say his opponent didn't exist or that he believed what you do, he was saying his opponent was not his equal, not an opponent because he had no chance to win. By putting the possibility of failure out of his mind , he was able to prevent it. This does not mean he created his own reality and he willed his opponent to lose or to not be present. It means he knew he could beat him and that gave him an advantage. My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
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I think he was being literal when he said that. There isn't a physical opponent in front of you in a fight. It's just an understanding that you get after a lot of training, it's not a desire rooted on fear. It means that in a fight you will feel only your energy flow, and nothing else. It is the ultimate focus that any fighter can achieve: TO be able to feel all of your energy without any distraction.

If you believe in the contrary -- that there is an opponent willing to kll you -- you are already validating the possibility of failure because physical reality is fallible by definition. If you believe that you have a physical body, you are already opening yourself to the notion of danger and survival. In order to be fearless you must forget about this world and its rules. Only then is that you acquie the power to create any reality you wish, with any rules you wish. From "not-knowingness" comes the ultimate knowledge.

The best way to win a game is to not participate in it in the first place. By the law of probability, anyone who plays a game eventually loses. There is no such thing as an eternal winner. But if you remain in your integrity without even acknowledging the existence of a game and its rules, then there won't be any possibility of loss in your mind, and in that case you become on a technical level as good as the hypothetical eternal winner.

"There is no spoon"

Bruce Lee also praised the power of water. Look at water: it's transparent, almost non-existent in the visual sense, yet incredibly powerful.

My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
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I agree 100%, yet when you are all-knowing and all-powerful it really doesn't matter what you do. There is no sense of distinction between activities, only of how much energy you put on them. Right now, posting in this forum seems like a good use of my energy .
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Actually this does make sense, and is probably true. There is no such thing as a gravitron.

It's one of those mystery miracle particles like the photon. If it defies the known and proved laws of physics it cannot be entertained as a possibility, nor used in any further expansion on the theory. "gravitons' are 'particles' that move from place to place INSTANTANEOUSLY, That's just DUMB, it's absurd, it's NONSENSE.

In quantum physics we are forced to accept that energy can exist in the absence of mass and that photons possess momentum , but not mass, and all of this because when the particle moves at the speed of light, it cannot have mass because Einstein said it couldn't, it would be converted to 'pure' energy. That's when i asked for a transfer slip.

LMAO!

Energy has two components, mass and motion
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theidea of 'particle' is purely conceptual. there aren't any particles , and there isn't a microscopic world either. what scientists do is measure the 'white noise' of this 'transmission' of 'reality' and then using advanced filtering capabilities they can isolate any data they wish and make it look like it fits a certain theory, model, or it achieves a certain 'effect'. Science is a form of magic.
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well then, let this brilliant scientist explain ME!

I am quite real.
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I knew a physical chemist who was very bright and he used to say gravity is a mystery, that no one has figured it out.
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I think you might have misinterpreted Bruce Lee's words. He wasn't trying to say his opponent didn't exist or that he believed what you do, he was saying his opponent was not his equal, not an opponent because he had no chance to win. By putting the possibility of failure out of his mind , he was able to prevent it. This does not mean he created his own reality and he willed his opponent to lose or to not be present. It means he knew he could beat him and that gave him an advantage. My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326372


I think he was being literal when he said that. There isn't a physical opponent in front of you in a fight. It's just an understanding that you get after a lot of training, it's not a desire rooted on fear. It means that in a fight you will feel only your energy flow, and nothing else. It is the ultimate focus that any fighter can achieve: TO be able to feel all of your energy without any distraction.

If you believe in the contrary -- that there is an opponent willing to kll you -- you are already validating the possibility of failure because physical reality is fallible by definition. If you believe that you have a physical body, you are already opening yourself to the notion of danger and survival. In order to be fearless you must forget about this world and its rules. Only then is that you acquie the power to create any reality you wish, with any rules you wish. From "not-knowingness" comes the ultimate knowledge.

The best way to win a game is to not participate in it in the first place. By the law of probability, anyone who plays a game eventually loses. There is no such thing as an eternal winner. But if you remain in your integrity without even acknowledging the existence of a game and its rules, then there won't be any possibility of loss in your mind, and in that case you become on a technical level as good as the hypothetical eternal winner.

"There is no spoon"

Bruce Lee also praised the power of water. Look at water: it's transparent, almost non-existent in the visual sense, yet incredibly powerful.

My guess if you could do what you claim, you wouldn't be wasting your time typing!
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I agree 100%, yet when you are all-knowing and all-powerful it really doesn't matter what you do. There is no sense of distinction between activities, only of how much energy you put on them. Right now, posting in this forum seems like a good use of my energy .
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I must agree that from time to time in my life it has seemed to me that i have caused certain things to happen simply by wanting them to or imagining a specific event and then have it come to past as if I had directed a movie.
Yes, I can make things happen by believing they will.

The difference between my understanding and yours is that you seem to think that you're the only one who has this ability and are the sole manipulator of your reality, an idea I think is absurd. If Bruce Lee's opponent didn't exist because nothing is real, the Bruce lee didn't exist either.

If I could do what you claim I would be god, the creator, but my understanding is way different that yours, I am only a part of the whole, not the whole damned enchilada. It is the COLLECTIVE conscious that makes our reality, if your opponent thinks he can beat you and everyone else does too, you're already defeated whether you think he exists or not.
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It's just that science is unable to understand how gravity works.

But this really cracks me up, if a force of nature doesn't fit into their little formulas they just declare the force non-existent. Way to go!
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No, he's trying to go beyond the force-at-a-distance explanation of gravity that Galileo and Newton had to rely on, and even Einstein.

This is my understanding, based on a partial reading of the paper which is available at [link to arxiv.org]

He does not say gravity is an illusion, any more than he says temperature is an illusion. He says that gravity, like temperature, is a macro effect based on micro effects. In both cases it's based on a counting of possible states and something like the Pauli exclusion principle -- that the states, counted correctly, are equally likely. The difference, with gravity, is that the principle is based on the holographic mapping hypothesized by t'Hooft.
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Dude, that's pure nonsense, and having been around genius all my life I recognize it when I see it.

Explain electrostatic forces, then build on that. if you can't you're stuck and you cannot move forward until you do understand them. You can't just say everything is some sort of large effect based on an insignificant one because that makes no real sense.
I'll tell you something, when you do explain electrostatic forces, you're going to understand magnetism and gravity, and the nuclear forces.
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Dude, what do you mean "explain" electrostatic forces? Explain them (another form of action at a distance) in terms of local micro effects?

The very standard idea is thermodynamics as a large-ensemble description of micro statistical mechanical (i.e. quantum mechanical) effects. Temperature, a macro thermodynamic effect, based on a counting of available quantum mechanical states in the ensemble. Does that make sense, or is that also pure nonsense in your view?
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Re: !!! GRAVITY IS AN ILLUSION... EXPLAINS BRILLIANT PHYSICIST !!!
Dude, what do you mean "explain" electrostatic forces? Explain them (another form of action at a distance) in terms of local micro effects?
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I meant simply explain why a difference in electrical potential causes two objects to be attracted to each other. I am sincerely convinced that understanding this attraction or force of attraction is the key to understanding all four forces. All of the other forces follow the same pattern and do the same thing, just in different situations and different scales, and the have the same inverse proportionality with distance. The force that binds atoms together is no exception. The energy level of an electron decreases as it's orbital distance from the center of the nucleus increases, meaning the force acting on it to bind it to the nucleus has to be less as well to explain a stable orbit. The force magnets create follows the same pattern, as does gravity. My guess is the force of attraction is cause by the same thing since they have identical manifestations . What is it?




The very standard idea is thermodynamics as a large-ensemble description of micro statistical mechanical (i.e. quantum mechanical) effects. Temperature, a macro thermodynamic effect, based on a counting of available quantum mechanical states in the ensemble. Does that make sense, or is that also pure nonsense in your view?
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Temperature as a thermodynamic principle refers to a measurement of energy states of atoms as they interact with each other vibrationally in a matrix . The 'hotter' something is, the more energetically it's atoms are vibrating.
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Re: !!! GRAVITY IS AN ILLUSION... EXPLAINS BRILLIANT PHYSICIST !!!
there are 3 types of gravity.

One is the gravity we deal with when we walk on this planet.
The other is the gravity that holds an atom.
the last one is the gravity of love.


-peace
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not so much three different types as it is three different scales of the same phenomenon.

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