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!!! GRAVITY IS AN ILLUSION... EXPLAINS BRILLIANT PHYSICIST !!!

 
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Gravity as the weak force is most succinctly explained thus:

Nuclear force:

When an electron with a negative charge interacts with a proton by being in motion relative to it and in close proximity to it, a force of attraction similar or the same as 'electrostatic' forces are created. The difference in potential holds the electron in it's orbit like gravity holds a planet in it's orbit around the Sun.

The inverse proportionality of the forces with distance is identical.


Electrostatic forces
With electrostatic forces, two objects with a difference in electrical potential are drawn together by a similar force to what holds atoms together, and the inverse proportionality of the strength of the force is also identical to the other forces, nuclear , magnetic, and gravitational.

My personal feeling is this electrostatic attraction caused by an interactions of the excess in electrons on the charged object with the electrically neutral object is ultimately the explanation of all of the forces..

Again, it is difference in electrical potential that creates the force, just like with the atom . So the nuclear force is obviously related to the electrostatic principal and therfor gravity must be very weak electrostatic force.
I think it is easy to see that the Sun has a different overall charge than the Earth
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there are 3 types of gravity.

One is the gravity we deal with when we walk on this planet.
The other is the gravity that holds an atom.
the last one is the gravity of love.


-peace
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not so much three different types as it is three different scales of the same phenomenon.
 Quoting: Two-R-one


Read the above post
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So the problem with my own theory most will probably summarize is that objects that do not have a difference in electrical potential experience the effects of gravity with each other.


Really?

Is it possible what attracts objects to each other by the force of gravity is a difference in potential when no such difference can be measured?. Keep in mind it takes a very large object to create a very moderate force.

What if it is the electrons in one mass attracting the protons in the other , and vice versa? Would the repulsive force between electrons in one mass cancel out the attractive forces postulated above? Well, no, because there are more electron -proton interactions than there are electron -electron interactions.
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Before I escapes my mind let me add this to the above posts. It is logical to assume that the neutrons in both masses with a gravitational interaction between two masses are attracted to both the electrons and to the protons in the other mass. This is going to be the explanation somehow. The force of gravity is electrostatic
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I must agree that from time to time in my life it has seemed to me that i have caused certain things to happen simply by wanting them to or imagining a specific event and then have it come to past as if I had directed a movie.
Yes, I can make things happen by believing they will.

The difference between my understanding and yours is that you seem to think that you're the only one who has this ability and are the sole manipulator of your reality, an idea I think is absurd. If Bruce Lee's opponent didn't exist because nothing is real, the Bruce lee didn't exist either.

If I could do what you claim I would be god, the creator, but my understanding is way different that yours, I am only a part of the whole, not the whole damned enchilada. It is the COLLECTIVE conscious that makes our reality, if your opponent thinks he can beat you and everyone else does too, you're already defeated whether you think he exists or not.
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interesting answer. I like your honesty. yes, the collective is very powerful indeed.
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The key to the gravity is in the levitation as
a paranormal phenomenon. If this string theorist
was so brilliant he wouldn’t show himself as
Michio Kaku, having a finger in every pie.
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The key to the gravity is in the levitation as
a paranormal phenomenon. If this string theorist
was so brilliant he wouldn’t show himself as
Michio Kaku, having a finger in every pie.
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was trying to post earlier but my mouse wouldn't stay on the mat,finally got it off the ceiling.
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was trying to post earlier but my mouse wouldn't stay on the mat,finally got it off the ceiling.
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Dude, what do you mean "explain" electrostatic forces? Explain them (another form of action at a distance) in terms of local micro effects?
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I meant simply explain why a difference in electrical potential causes two objects to be attracted to each other. I am sincerely convinced that understanding this attraction or force of attraction is the key to understanding all four forces. All of the other forces follow the same pattern and do the same thing, just in different situations and different scales, and the have the same inverse proportionality with distance. The force that binds atoms together is no exception. The energy level of an electron decreases as it's orbital distance from the center of the nucleus increases, meaning the force acting on it to bind it to the nucleus has to be less as well to explain a stable orbit. The force magnets create follows the same pattern, as does gravity. My guess is the force of attraction is cause by the same thing since they have identical manifestations . What is it?
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I don't know, and I don't know what a satisfactory answer would be either. (Please consider your answer -- this is a fairly philosophical point.) As a previous guy said, science is about description. Ultimately, all it can do is provide equations and say that one thing is like some other thing. What answer could be more fundamental than that?

Forgive me if I give my impression of engineering, because I am also an engineer. Engineering principles come back to a few observable scientific facts. Unless one is a nuclear engineer (and I suspect, even if one is), one probably does not need to understand quantum effects, because they will not be observable in one's designs -- it's much easier to use macro descriptions. Since those are what one can observe in the engineering lab, one may feel that one understands them. And one does, in a very important way, through physical intuition and experience.

It's my understanding that the weak force, viewed alone, has a faster decay law than inverse square. It is really only observable at very small radii, within atoms. If it's important at such short distances but only there, it would follow that it has a very fast decay law. There's a formalism for viewing the electromagnetic and weak forces together, as the "electro-weak" force.


The very standard idea is thermodynamics as a large-ensemble description of micro statistical mechanical (i.e. quantum mechanical) effects. Temperature, a macro thermodynamic effect, based on a counting of available quantum mechanical states in the ensemble. Does that make sense, or is that also pure nonsense in your view?
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Temperature as a thermodynamic principle refers to a measurement of energy states of atoms as they interact with each other vibrationally in a matrix . The 'hotter' something is, the more energetically it's atoms are vibrating.
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Right, we agree. The matrix you describe is the array of available energy states.
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...
If I could do what you claim I would be god, the creator, but my understanding is way different that yours, I am only a part of the whole, not the whole damned enchilada. It is the COLLECTIVE conscious that makes our reality, if your opponent thinks he can beat you and everyone else does too, you're already defeated whether you think he exists or not.
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I don't think this conforms to observations. Once in a while, there's a big upset. While the underdog who wins almost certainly believed in him/herself, very few in the audience probably did. This occurs, but it occurs rarely. That is consistent with the idea that the audience's expectations are usually, but not always, right. One can model that probabilistically in the usual ways.
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THIS scientist is an Illusion!

Wow... the pot calling the kettle black!

"You're an Illusion."
"No... YOU"RE an Illusion!"


chuckle
 Quoting: Deej


I thought of it first so... everybody is an illusion ! HA
 Quoting: FascistNews.com


But can you control the illusion of you?
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I can believe that gravity is an illusion.

It's a matter of whether you believe in it or not.

Like this young monk who can overcome that belief during meditation:
[link to www.liveleak.com]
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It's just that science is unable to understand how gravity works.

But this really cracks me up, if a force of nature doesn't fit into their little formulas they just declare the force non-existent. Way to go!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1351224


The older I get the more I see that scientists know less and less about more and more. Instead of actually working with the facts, they hypothesize a theory and set out to prove it, ignoring anything that contradicts their theory...and then they try to hang the next theory on that one...like a house of cards.
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I can believe that gravity is an illusion.

It's a matter of whether you believe in it or not.

Like this young monk who can overcome that belief during meditation:
[link to www.liveleak.com]
 Quoting: Channing


After this entire galaxy is returned to mere chaotic particles (we're all dead), time will continue to advance for the contents of other galaxies whether there is life there or not.

We aren't that important.
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THIS scientist is an Illusion!

Wow... the pot calling the kettle black!

"You're an Illusion."
"No... YOU"RE an Illusion!"


chuckle
 Quoting: Deej


No, GLP is the illusion..........:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1333874



All is Illusionary.

This is just a conversation with I am having myself.

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THIS scientist is an Illusion!

Wow... the pot calling the kettle black!

"You're an Illusion."
"No... YOU"RE an Illusion!"


chuckle
 Quoting: Deej


I thought of it first so... everybody is an illusion ! HA
 Quoting: FascistNews.com


But can you control the illusion of you?
 Quoting: Matthew


Most people can't control self.

Most people doesn't even know that CONTROLLING SELF EXIST.

Your CHOICES is what CREATES your Journey.... for the most part.

Listen to the words of this song...


Mundus Vult Decipi, Ergo Decipiatur...

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The ONE singularity being engaged in infinite kinetics, the other component of the "flight path" is where the singularity IS. That is the infinite expanse.
 Quoting: tkwasny


Dude, you're so full of shit it stinks when you wink. If you do 'understand' what you just said ( I hope you don't), you are most likely insane.

But you don't have to worry, no one will call you on it because you make as much sense as any of the others and none of them know what the hell they're babbling about either.
But you will have the respect of morons who don't realize that.

True genius is not the ability to explain simple concepts in the most complex manner possible, true genius is being able to explain the complex in a way everyone understands and agrees upon.

I have stated earlier on this thread that science is a religion of faith that seeks to explain the existence of the universe in the absence of the necessity of a creator, and that is why you must rely on subterfuge and complicated nonsense ,and expand upon unproved theories.

The simplest explanation for gravity is that it is necessary for our universe to exist, so it does.
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not true.. gravity is not required for any advanced civilization to exist..gravity is made for people like yourself that think it is a requirment, usually violent races of beings have gravity imposed on them so they cant mess up perfection until they aquire true knowledge with intelligence to use anti gravity technology wisely
.keep trying though you will get there eventually
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The ONE singularity being engaged in infinite kinetics, the other component of the "flight path" is where the singularity IS. That is the infinite expanse.
 Quoting: tkwasny


Dude, you're so full of shit it stinks when you wink. If you do 'understand' what you just said ( I hope you don't), you are most likely insane.

But you don't have to worry, no one will call you on it because you make as much sense as any of the others and none of them know what the hell they're babbling about either.
But you will have the respect of morons who don't realize that.

True genius is not the ability to explain simple concepts in the most complex manner possible, true genius is being able to explain the complex in a way everyone understands and agrees upon.

I have stated earlier on this thread that science is a religion of faith that seeks to explain the existence of the universe in the absence of the necessity of a creator, and that is why you must rely on subterfuge and complicated nonsense ,and expand upon unproved theories.

The simplest explanation for gravity is that it is necessary for our universe to exist, so it does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326372

not true.. gravity is not required for any advanced civilization to exist..gravity is made for people like yourself that think it is a requirment, usually violent races of beings have gravity imposed on them so they cant mess up perfection until they aquire true knowledge with intelligence to use anti gravity technology wisely
.keep trying though you will get there eventually
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I have heard stranger things....

What is the most efficient prison?
The invisible one....Gravity...perhaps....
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And so it begins...

Consider this:
92% of the world's population
feel that their lives could be better.
what about you?
If you could do anything,
anything at all,
what would you do?
What are you doing now?

Imagine that
you could live your life,
knowing that it could not be better,
and never feeling that you would rather
be doing something else,
be somewhere else,
or be someone else.

Now consider this:
some people actually live that way
and so could you.

Contemplate this:
What if 90% of the problems you encountered in your life
were mere illusions and only existed in your mind?
In your everyday life
whenever something annoys you,
stresses you, makes you mad, or makes you sad,
consider if that something really matters.

Will you even remember
how you felt in one day, one week, one month, one year,
or what about in ten years?
So when the people you work for pressure you, and fail to understand you, does it really matter?
And when they call you on the phone,
screaming and yelling,
does it matter and should you really allow that to influence your life?
It's all about choices.

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Did he explain how babies BELIEVE in gravity enough to keep from floating off?
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Did he explain how babies BELIEVE in gravity enough to keep from floating off?
 Quoting: weegie


When ever you look away... babies float... Didn't you know that ...lol
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