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| Malden User ID: 2234675 10/04/2011 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Perversion of Money THE ERRONEOUS conception of the proper status and true function of money has led to its perversion, the evil result of which is so clearly evidenced by our present banking system. In this volume I undertake to prove the following propositions: 1st. Money is not a commodity. This being true: 2nd. Money is no part of wealth. Hence: 3rd. Money can never become capital. Not being capital: 4th. Money has no earning power. And it follows: 5th. Interest, or profit, on money is unearned. 6th. Gold and silver, in common with lead and zinc, are commodities. 7th. Money is something entirely different. It has no more natural connection with gold and silver than it has with lead and zinc. We must not confuse money with the commodity which may be chosen as its tangible vehicle. 8th. Money is the medium of exchange and the measure of value ; a convenient and exact method of book-keeping; and only as such does it properly function. 9th. Money is brought into existence by law. 10th. A commodity cannot be created by law. All that a law can do is to function as a law. 11th. No individual, nor body of individuals, should be permitted to own or control a function of law and charge others a tax for its use. 12th. The government is the true depositary of the law and the proper executive of its functions. 13th. These powers are usurped by the bankers and money-lenders, and the evil results of this usurpation are colossal ; they will disrupt and destroy civilization unless a remedy be applied. 14th. The remedy. - Frederick Raphael Burch |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1011949 10/04/2011 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just bought 3 coins. One small detail - they added 39 cents HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) to the $ 2.99 shipping charge. So the total comes to $ 63.38. Quoting: doomsdays doorstep WTF is a harmonnized sales tax?! thats a, bend over and fuck me in the ass dry tax.. they told us it would help the manufactures of goods/services save money and pass the savings on to the consumer but it was all a ponzi scheme from the word go. Some of us saw it, others had no clue what was coming. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 847175 10/04/2011 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just bought 3 coins. One small detail - they added 39 cents HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) to the $ 2.99 shipping charge. So the total comes to $ 63.38. Quoting: doomsdays doorstep WTF is a harmonnized sales tax?! Whats a HST ?! oh you will find out soon enough if you keep left wingers in power |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1299553 10/04/2011 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just bought 3 coins. One small detail - they added 39 cents HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) to the $ 2.99 shipping charge. So the total comes to $ 63.38. Quoting: doomsdays doorstep WTF is a harmonnized sales tax?! Whats a HST ?! oh you will find out soon enough if you keep left wingers in power Actually, HST is a product of Harper's Conservatives. |
| sunroomking User ID: 1180965 10/04/2011 03:32 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Canada values silver at $80/CAD per ounce. Quoting: wisc_natureboy Right from the Canadian mint website: Exchange $20 paper for a $20 pure silver (99.99%) coin [link to www.mint.ca] They have a $20 pure silver coin .999 fine. It weighs 1/4 Troy ounce. Composition 99.99% pure silver Weight (g) 7.96 Diameter (mm) 27 Edge serrated Face value 20 dollar I GOT MINE!!! I LOVE THAT SILVER IS "REAL MONEY"!!! Buy Gold Buy Silver Buy Ammo have Faith. I carry a gun because it is my 2nd ammendment right, and a cop is too heavy. No good deed goes unpunished |
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| the future is doomed? User ID: 1426995 10/04/2011 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I for one would rather have 20$ fiat made from silver than 20$ fiat made from paper. ;-`) Quoting: wisc_natureboy And you've still only got 120 grains of silver... I hear what you are saying...I really do...I just don't agree... IMNSHO, 'Someone' got a better deal on eBay this AM... [link to www.ebay.com] That's 40 'silver' halves for $280 and change (including shipping)... That's 40 x $10.8183243465 (current melt value of 'coin silver'), or $432+ "fiat Dollars" worth of silver content, AND... It all comes in nice little, easily 'spendable' appx 174-grain bits... Current melt value: [link to www.coinflation.com] Look at your Canuck coins conversely... Shit never hits the fan?...Then you've got some sweet numismatic value... But... You still only have 120 grains of silver though... In a SHTF scenario, no one is going to care about 'legal tender', or 'denominations'... It's going to be pure commodity 'value'... I still say guns, hoes, seeds, land, etc., will be far more valuable than shiny metal chunks, but that's just me... I hope we (nor our children's children) ever have to find out... Peace, I actually side with this guy more so than anyone else responding to this thread. You should be stocking up on water above everything else. More than likely when tshtf initially cash on hand will probably be the best thing to have in America. If things don't improve then comes a stage of bartering. This is when what you have to barter becomes a symbol of survival essentially. If you can't survive now on your own without help from the outside world then what do you think will help when tshtf? just saying. Also, more essential survival items will be much more valuable probably than PMs. I can see a period of bartering possibly when guns and ammo will be at the top of the list especially in certain doomsday scenarios. If things get really bad then I think it will take awhile for PMs to really have a lot of value. The key is survival. When tshtf people will probably be more concerned about surviving than PMs, granted, I believe there will come a time a little or long after tshtf when PMs will skyrocket. The main reason I believe this is because we live in a world of technology. PMs help make that technology happen. I don't think technology is going away any time soon even if tshtf. Fundamentalism stops a thinking mind. "If you hate the world, change it to suit you." Thoreau. ***Join me on the 90 Day Challenge!!! Ask Me How!!!*** |
| anti-agenda21 User ID: 1462016 10/04/2011 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | silver maple leafs 999.9 pure silver. $5 face value,bah humbug.... today spot price,you can get a maple for $35-$40. 1 full troy ounce 31 grams. this crapolla the mint has put out,1/4 ounce for $20 LMAO !!! what is wrong with this picture!! although i do agree with OP ,the mint has put a value of $80 an ounce of silver,with the sale of this coin.. but they will tell you its a collectors edition coin....lmao ok then, and people eat that shit up |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413771 10/04/2011 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But 1oz silver coins are perfect for "spending" if TSHTF. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2636980 excuse me, if the shite hits the fan, the government will confiscate all your coins......and melt them down.......and maybe that is the plan all along, we will see.....all I know is you people are sure pushing gold and silver... pre-1964 silver qtrs. and dimes would be better |
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| Astrochik User ID: 1331439 10/05/2011 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But 1oz silver coins are perfect for "spending" if TSHTF. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2636980 excuse me, if the shite hits the fan, the government will confiscate all your coins......and melt them down.......and maybe that is the plan all along, we will see.....all I know is you people are sure pushing gold and silver... pre-1964 silver qtrs. and dimes would be better my thoughts as well... 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3086672 10/13/2011 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | silver maple leafs Quoting: anti-agenda21 999.9 pure silver. $5 face value,bah humbug.... today spot price,you can get a maple for $35-$40. 1 full troy ounce 31 grams. this crapolla the mint has put out,1/4 ounce for $20 LMAO !!! what is wrong with this picture!! although i do agree with OP ,the mint has put a value of $80 an ounce of silver,with the sale of this coin.. but they will tell you its a collectors edition coin....lmao ok then, and people eat that shit up hey dumbass.... the coin is legal tender for $20!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1462016 10/13/2011 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | silver maple leafs Quoting: anti-agenda21 999.9 pure silver. $5 face value,bah humbug.... today spot price,you can get a maple for $35-$40. 1 full troy ounce 31 grams. this crapolla the mint has put out,1/4 ounce for $20 LMAO !!! what is wrong with this picture!! although i do agree with OP ,the mint has put a value of $80 an ounce of silver,with the sale of this coin.. but they will tell you its a collectors edition coin....lmao ok then, and people eat that shit up hey dumbass.... the coin is legal tender for $20!!!!!!!!!!!!! hey dumb ass legal tender will not go any higher infact when silver rises the coin will be worth more than the $20 on the coin. $100 an ounce silver would put that coin at $25....1oz coins would be $100 now you can buy 1 oz coins for $35-40 or you can buy this coin 1 quarter ounce for $20 go ahead and buy the coin ... |
| wisc_natureboy (OP) I pee outside. User ID: 3178000 10/13/2011 07:44 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quit your bickering. Buy it. It is a triple hedge. Fiat value- costs and spends exactly the same as paper. Numismatic value- save it and don't touch it, hope it grows in value due to limited mintage. Silver value- Inherent value in the .25 troy oz. ASW. Show me a piece of paper that can boast that! Derp, all you dumbed-down tards who would even argue the negative here. Last Edited by wisc_natureboy on 10/13/2011 07:45 PM . . . --- We all breathe the same air |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 590644 12/08/2012 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012, Liberty's Hammer and Anvil will broadcast at 3 PM Eastern, 2 PM Central, 1 PM Mountain, and Noon Pacific, and you may listen here: [link to www.themicroeffect.com] To listen, go to the Microeffect website, look on the left sidebar for the “listen live” links and click. My guest will be Phil Hart and the discussion will focus on the federal income tax. Phil is the author of the book discussed here: [link to www.constitutionalincome.com] This will be a very interesting show, so tune in!!! Larry Becraft ******************** Not mentioned in Mr. Becraft's message is the further information that Phil Hart was a representative from Athol Idaho in 2010 and had introduced a bill to provide for silver coinage. [link to duckduckgo.com (secure)] It passed the House, but failed in the Senate. Here is an April 2011 story: [link to www.scribd.com] You can learn more about basic philosophy and theoretical approaches to the topic of money systems here: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21112997 12/08/2012 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just bought 3 coins. One small detail - they added 39 cents HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) to the $ 2.99 shipping charge. So the total comes to $ 63.38. Quoting: doomsdays doorstep WTF is a harmonnized sales tax?! a VAT tax us stupid canadians allowed the corrupt government to put upon the nation, except BC they are not flouridated so they couldnt slip it past them |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17114980 12/10/2012 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They sell them all the time, you gotta keep checking the website, it's a 3 per person limit but some of the local coin stores do the same deal but 1 per customer (they check id), so you can get more then 3. I've got 30 or 40 total all different kinds of the $20 for $20.. I figure it's an good thing to hold since the face value is $20 it can't go under that and IF silver does happen to explode above $100 as many are predicting the silver value will be more. There's also the numismatic value as many of you pointed out they seem to go for a lot more when sold on places like ebay, them selling out at the mint also does this. They are probably the closest value as far as weight vs face value, but for cost vs weight value there are some better ones. I like 1/25 gold coins. I also picked up a bunch of $0.01 gold coins (tribute coins to the penny), the only gold pennies ever minted. They sold out pretty quickly, I'm excited to see how much they are selling on ebay for |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17114980 12/10/2012 12:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | silver maple leafs Quoting: anti-agenda21 999.9 pure silver. $5 face value,bah humbug.... today spot price,you can get a maple for $35-$40. 1 full troy ounce 31 grams. this crapolla the mint has put out,1/4 ounce for $20 LMAO !!! what is wrong with this picture!! although i do agree with OP ,the mint has put a value of $80 an ounce of silver,with the sale of this coin.. but they will tell you its a collectors edition coin....lmao ok then, and people eat that shit up It's got a face value of $20 and it costs $20..You seem to miss the point, you can't lose. Instead of PAPER money they are offering you a form of money that carries INTRINSIC value. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27972246 12/10/2012 01:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its not offically MONEY until it has been minted by some government's mint, satifying the quality of the metal as well as the purity, density, and weight and size. Its alloy checked and triple checked to be what it has been claimed to be. Until then it is not worth the metal it is stamped out of. Is all about BELIEF. Even paper has an Intrinstic value. |
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| Crazy Harriet User ID: 29170615 12/10/2012 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't circulate a 99.9 silver coin. It's too soft. So that part is just empty words. Whose? Just curious if the mint is saying it's for circulation or just internet buzz. Anyway, it's great that Canada has another silver coin. “I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you”. Friedrich Nietzsche |
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| Levi Philos User ID: 590644 12/10/2012 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Perversion of Money Quoting: Malden THE ERRONEOUS conception of the proper status and true function of money has led to its perversion, the evil result of which is so clearly evidenced by our present banking system. In this volume I undertake to prove the following propositions: 1st. Money is not a commodity. This being true: 2nd. Money is no part of wealth. Hence: 3rd. Money can never become capital. Not being capital: 4th. Money has no earning power. And it follows: 5th. Interest, or profit, on money is unearned. 6th. Gold and silver, in common with lead and zinc, are commodities. 7th. Money is something entirely different. It has no more natural connection with gold and silver than it has with lead and zinc. We must not confuse money with the commodity which may be chosen as its tangible vehicle. 8th. Money is the medium of exchange and the measure of value ; a convenient and exact method of book-keeping; and only as such does it properly function. 9th. Money is brought into existence by law. 10th. A commodity cannot be created by law. All that a law can do is to function as a law. 11th. No individual, nor body of individuals, should be permitted to own or control a function of law and charge others a tax for its use. 12th. The government is the true depositary of the law and the proper executive of its functions. 13th. These powers are usurped by the bankers and money-lenders, and the evil results of this usurpation are colossal ; they will disrupt and destroy civilization unless a remedy be applied. 14th. The remedy. - Frederick Raphael Burch Correct; The material quoted was written and published in 1922. It is available as an image file that can be read online here: [link to babel.hathitrust.org] and also here: [link to www.archive.org] This is the preface to the book. The whole thing is 129 pages. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 590644 12/10/2012 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hathi Trust site will convert the series of images into a PDF file that can be downloaded. The downloaded file is 145 pages and 38.25 megabytes in size. I am scan-reading the file now and may in the future covert via OCR etc into a word doc and/or pdf that will be much smaller. Depends on how I evaluate the book. |