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I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?

 
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I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Mathematically speaking it adds up.

1 hoax + another hoax = 2 Hoaxes.

What say you?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Shuttle program is real. I was a ground controller in their MC complex when Shuttle comm's was based out of The Blue Cube.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Shuttle program is real. I was a ground controller in their MC complex when Shuttle comm's was based out of The Blue Cube.
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So what are you now? A shilltard for internet forums?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
what exactly is the hoax? Ive seen the shuttle go up many times lol
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
You have to explain away these first:

The public can watch a space shuttle launch, even using their own binoculars and telescopes. Something is lifting off and going high enough to not be visible at extreme magnification;

There are a great many amateur model rocket hobbyists that put payloads in their real working models that gather telemetry (audio/video/radio) about location, altitude, etc.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
what exactly is the hoax? Ive seen the shuttle go up many times lol
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That they pretend they are in "space". They are barely 175 miles up. Do you really need to go around and around 135 mission x who knows how many orbits each time?

Why would you do that after having said you went to the moon? That's like climbing Mt Everest on your first hike and then going up and down Mt Killamanjaro 134 times. Big whoop. What are they really spending money on?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Hahhaha.... I've got the BEST job in the World. I'm a full-time mom. Sorry to burst your shill bubble. ;)
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
what exactly is the hoax? Ive seen the shuttle go up many times lol
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Don't you know? The shuttle just flew over to Vegas.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Mathematically speaking it adds up.

1 hoax + another hoax = 2 Hoaxes.

What say you?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
what exactly is the hoax? Ive seen the shuttle go up many times lol
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But what if lands somewhere else? Like Easter island.

Sure it shows its going up, but why didn't NASa put a camera in front of the Shuttle in the cockpit so we could see it reach outer-space and search for the ISS for docking?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
That they pretend they are in "space". They are barely 175 miles up. Do you really need to go around and around 135 mission x who knows how many orbits each time?

Why would you do that after having said you went to the moon? That's like climbing Mt Everest on your first hike and then going up and down Mt Killamanjaro 134 times. Big whoop. What are they really spending money on?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Mathematically speaking it adds up.

1 hoax + another hoax = 2 Hoaxes.

What say you?
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I say that the shuttle was visible from the ground with a relatively decent telescope, and any monkay with the budget could look at it..
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
I have been to the cape to watch it take off. I have also been to Edwards to watch it land.

What it does in between is something I have not directly seen/experienced.

[link to www.neatorama.com] maybe interesting.

But it may be CGI or Photoshop.

This remarkable picture was taken by Rob Bullen on Saturday February 26 from the UK, using an 8.5? telescope.

But then we know that the UK always lies, everything a Brit says is a lie and they are part of the conspiracy.

The conclusion can be reached using the same logical approach as is used to prove that the Apollo Program and the Space Shuttle Program are hoaxes (lies).

So the question is, how far does one need to go to prove their hoax theory?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
You have to explain away these first:

The public can watch a space shuttle launch, even using their own binoculars and telescopes. Something is lifting off and going high enough to not be visible at extreme magnification;

There are a great many amateur model rocket hobbyists that put payloads in their real working models that gather telemetry (audio/video/radio) about location, altitude, etc.
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What are you saying exactly? Its a hoax? That these amateur rocket hobbyists can't track the Shuttle when its at a certain distance because the Shuttle pulls away from it trajectory and lands elsewhere beyond the launch-site?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
I have been to the cape to watch it take off. I have also been to Edwards to watch it land.

What it does in between is something I have not directly seen/experienced.

[link to www.neatorama.com] maybe interesting.
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Holy cow, there's not one star in that picture?

I see all kinds of stars at night, and when I use a magnification device such as binoculars or a telescope I see them bigger, brighter, and whole bunch more bundled up.

What a fawkin lying conspiracy that link is.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
For something that likes to refer to itself as "space shuttle". it's attention is distinctly Earthbound.

It rides round and round pointing down at the Earth and competely ignores the outer system of stars and planets.

Never once has the Space Shuttle shown round and round pictures of the Universe. Don't you find that a little odd?

Just like someone posted a round the Earth visual of the ISS. It was pretty stupid. The whole way around it showed nothing but clouds and water, and no landmass at all.

So even the ISS is preoccupied with Earth and not Space at all it turns out. Just a glorified spy satellite.

The one thing that would give them credence, is the one thing they refuse to do, and that is film the stars from there with no atmospheric interference or haze.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
"Never once has the Space Shuttle shown round and round pictures of the Universe. Don't you find that a little odd?"

Yes, now that you mention it...
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
The space shuttle program has weaponized space. It never really had any "peaceful" missions. Same cloud of horseshit they've always fed us.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Mathematically speaking it adds up.

1 hoax + another hoax = 2 Hoaxes.

What say you?
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It's not going to be considered a hoax until about 10 years after we do the last shuttle - then the new generation will not be able to believe it actually ever happened.
If we were still going to the moon today, people wouldn't think the 1969 was hoax - it's because we stopped that it's now considered a myth and a hoax.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
I was offered a job as a machinist back in the 70's by Monsanto. That job was to make the shuttle booster rockets.

Monsanto is everywhere.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
"Never once has the Space Shuttle shown round and round pictures of the Universe. Don't you find that a little odd?"

Yes, now that you mention it...
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Indeed. To continue with my analogy, Like taking the same path up Kilamanjaro and never approaching from the other side to see what it looks like.

This is the best case that can be made for there being some sort of hoax surrounding the Shuttles. Because these are not something that could be easily faked. To wit:


NASA as you may or may not know never seems to see stars in space like we normal people do.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
This would be one of the most costly "POINTLESS" hoaxes ever. Its purpose was never to go out into space. It was designed to be a reusable way to take payloads into space for a future space station. And the shuttle itself has no technologies for exploration built within it. Its basically a big box car with an engine. It obviously can also haul a human payload which can conduct weightless experiments on it etc.

They can use satellites for taking pictures of the universe. They could also haul those satellites up there in it.

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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
This would be one of the most costly "POINTLESS" hoaxes ever. Its purpose was never to go out into space. It was designed to be a reusable way to take payloads into space for a future space station. And the shuttle itself has no technologies for exploration built within it. Its basically a big box car with an engine. It obviously can also haul a human payload which can conduct weightless experiments on it etc.

They can use satellites for taking pictures of the universe. They could also haul those satellites up there in it.
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There is a claim of 17,000 satellites though. So, if they can catch a shuttle, OK, but if they can't then?

134 weightless experiments? Damn that's what the Vomit Comet can do, so whether hoax or not it is expensive and definitely "pointless" as you say.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
"Never once has the Space Shuttle shown round and round pictures of the Universe. Don't you find that a little odd?"

Yes, now that you mention it...
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Indeed. To continue with my analogy, Like taking the same path up Kilamanjaro and never approaching from the other side to see what it looks like.

This is the best case that can be made for there being some sort of hoax surrounding the Shuttles. Because these are not something that could be easily faked. To wit:


NASA as you may or may not know never seems to see stars in space like we normal people do.
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You can see the ISS from the ground. A good telescope and you can see it as it looks.
In my years I've seen one Apollo launch and 3 Shuttle launches.
The scope of how really big and impressive it all is in terms of the sound and the sight gets lost on TV.
Apollo 17 was a truly awesome sight to see.
From the spectators area you could still feel the engines rattle your bones as they lite the night.

The Shuttles were equally impressive.
With technology today you can watch a shuttle go from ground into orbit.

Those craft took off to someplace high up and far away. I saw them with my own eyes.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
This would be one of the most costly "POINTLESS" hoaxes ever. Its purpose was never to go out into space. It was designed to be a reusable way to take payloads into space for a future space station. And the shuttle itself has no technologies for exploration built within it. Its basically a big box car with an engine. It obviously can also haul a human payload which can conduct weightless experiments on it etc.

They can use satellites for taking pictures of the universe. They could also haul those satellites up there in it.
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There is a claim of 17,000 satellites though. So, if they can catch a shuttle, OK, but if they can't then?

134 weightless experiments? Damn that's what the Vomit Comet can do, so whether hoax or not it is expensive and definitely "pointless" as you say.
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Obviously it would be cheaper to just rocket the satellites up. But I believe the sats the shuttle hauled up (at least some of them) where ones that needed to be constructed to a greater degree once up there.

I'm not a shuttle nerd or anything but I've always kind of understood its principle use.

I suppose its value is relative to whether any of the science experiments have helped us or will help us in the future.
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
Some of the reasons the Shuttles fly so low, relatively speaking, are:

1) Security of other vehicles
2) The orbit paths of other vehicles
3) Space junk
4) The Safe Zone(radiation protection)

There are other reasons but these are enough for this discussion.

Some of the reasons you only see the photo and video shots that NASA releases are partly because of the position of the Sun in reference to the vehicle and the vehicle being so close to the Earth. Looking the other way, away from the Earth, again, you have security issues with other vehicles. Not the only reason but, again, good enough for the purpose of this thread.

As for maned vs. unmanned vehicles, most tech folks that I know in the Space industry think it's a waste of $ and unnecessary to send people up there. Most experiments can be automated and with the cost, weight, and space needed for life support systems and supplies to send and keep people up there, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to the geeks. However, the talking heads and the rocket-jocks would disagree. That's an argument that's been going of for decades. And, of course, the Gov't needs it's PR dog-and-pony show for the public interest and support.

I'll be very curious to see how the X-37B changes things when it comes to manned space missions for the future. Then again, there is still the ISS which has been expanded over time and is funded through 2012...assuming the European partners still have the bucks to support it. (More ISS funding info here: [link to spaceflightnow.com] ) But, with the Shuttles being retired, it will be interesting to see who (which governments)and how they keep things rolling up there.
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This video demonstrates some of the points in my previous post.
[link to www.gearthblog.com]
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Re: I'm just wondering, how many GLPers believe the SPACE SHUTTLE Program is another HOAX like the Apollo-11 HOAX Program?
what exactly is the hoax? Ive seen the shuttle go up many times lol
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But what if lands somewhere else? Like Easter island.

Sure it shows its going up, but why didnt NASa put a camera in front of the Shuttle in the cockpit so we could see it reach outer-space and search for the ISS for docking?
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ever heard of the sonic boom? dumbass..

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