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"""WHY IS THIS THE LAST SHUTTLE MISSION, DO WE HAVE NO REASON LEFT TO GO INTO SPACE??""""

 
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I am definately not an expert on our Space Program, but it seems very suspicious that we are now getting confirmation of Alien Life, The World is going to shit, America is going to shit, and we are conducting the LAST space Mission.

wtf
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR



Just call it mission accomplished. All sattelites are in place. All systems are a GO. Careful what comes next.
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Temperature of the moon is irrelevant. What matters is the temperature of the fuel tanks which is dictated by the reflectivity and thermal properties of the spacecraft itself. The landing struts, being rather long and well insulated, do not tend to transfer much heat from the moon's surface to the rest of the vehicle. By the same token, a plastic bag does not instantly melt while held by an astronaut standing on the moon because the vacuum acts as an insulator and there is no transfer of heat from the moon's surface to the bag by way of convection because there is no air.
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WOW! That's cool! I've always wondered that about the heat/cold issue. I believe you just answered part of my question about the space suit material and the metal connectors from the other thread about the Shuttle. And you covered the VA Radiation question already too. I'll research from your lead on those. Can you tell me about the lack of dust on the footers??? Many thanks!!!!
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Your Country ran out of money
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There is no money needed to do things.

All that is needed are thinking brains and working hands. Both of them run on 100% bio-fuel.

Once you realize this you are free.
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Shameless.... :(

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Silly Bitch, Why would you think that anyone would take any interest in such a NON DOOM headline....Stupid Fuck, Go Shoot Yourself.5a
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And another government shill bites the dust..


bsflag for your comment on what was posted, not for the OP's post.
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I am definately not an expert on our Space Program, but it seems very suspicious that we are now getting confirmation of Alien Life, The World is going to shit, America is going to shit, and we are conducting the LAST space Mission.

wtf
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR



Just call it mission accomplished. All sattelites are in place. All systems are a GO. Careful what comes next.
 Quoting: gd2balive


Just a hunch, but I think it has to do with what is out in space now. Too dangerous for NASA to put people out there.

peace
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I am definately not an expert on our Space Program, but it seems very suspicious that we are now getting confirmation of Alien Life, The World is going to shit, America is going to shit, and we are conducting the LAST space Mission.

wtf
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR



Just call it mission accomplished. All sattelites are in place. All systems are a GO. Careful what comes next.
 Quoting: gd2balive


Just a hunch, but I think it has to do with what is out in space now. Too dangerous for NASA to put people out there.

peace
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Well gd2balive is going to hope that you are right and that something more sinister is not at hand.
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Shameless.... :(

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 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


Silly Bitch, Why would you think that anyone would take any interest in such a NON DOOM headline....Stupid Fuck, Go Shoot Yourself.5a
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


why you answer to you self? you get only 1 ID here.. cruise
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Wow, you really are dumb as fuck.
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Shameless.... :(

bump
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


Silly Bitch, Why would you think that anyone would take any interest in such a NON DOOM headline....Stupid Fuck, Go Shoot Yourself.5a
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


why you answer to you self? you get only 1 ID here.. cruise
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Wow, you really are dumb as fuck.
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Check it out dumb ass, I am not signed in, but it still shows me as OP....Fuck....you think I don't understand that the site tracks your IP address...Wow.
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Re: """WHY IS THIS THE LAST SHUTTLE MISSION, DO WE HAVE NO REASON LEFT TO GO INTO SPACE??""""
We can't go into space - there's no fuel in existence to accommodate extreme low temperatures.


Here's how the Apollo missions were exposed:

This is the fuel NASA reports using for the descending and ascending modules of the LEM.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Trouble is, the freezing point of Aerozine 50 is -7C and the boiling point is 70C,
[link to www.astronautix.com]

Lunar temp ranges are far greater:
[link to wiki.answers.com]
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Bush administration signed into 'law' a bill that would dismantle the Space Shuttle program to allow it to pursue missions to the Moon and eventually a manned mission to Mars.

This was just prior to the Housing Bubble explosion that causes and economic melt down.

The Obama administration, facing economic crises decided that aiming for the moon was to expensive, further cutting the NASA space programs budget for that.

The Shuttle programs was only supposed to last something like 25 years, however its great success lead to lasting 35 years (starting with the roll out date of Enterprise in 1976.

Between 1976 and 2001 (the theoretical end date of the shuttle program) there was supposed to be adaptation and evolution of the design.

[link to www.ask.com] goes into depth on the shuttle history.

The International Space Station (ISS) was supposed to only be used as a platform to test and then launch more advanced space stations, instead it has become merely a research lab that is being slowly converted into a high priced tourist destination.

The Regan Space Program not only included space based weapons, but also included spinning ring space stations, like the one depicted in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.

That program was scrapped including the Geosync space stations. The "Clinton" space program initially included the Space Platform "Freedom" this later became entangled with the ISS program, then was completely dumped to pursue international space development.

The Space Shuttle Program was supposed to lead to second and third generation space shuttles, each generation, in theory, were supposed to use less fuel, use highly cutting edge technologies and were supposed to lead to the development and exploitation of earth orbit for military, science and public use.

While the science and Military aspects were paid for, the government(s) made no financial provisions for public use of space. They did make a few minor provisions for the commercial use of space, with a minor price tag, thus only large corporations could afford to send up their satellites.

Each administration makes this vows near their end of their term, the next administration comes in and dismantles that space program to 'save money', then near their end of their term they make this unrealistic goal, that the next administration destroys.
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Because the shuttle missions are nothing but maintenance crews for satelytes.

The real space program has been hidden from us for quite a while.
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We can't go into space - there's no fuel in existence to accommodate extreme low temperatures.
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Re: """WHY IS THIS THE LAST SHUTTLE MISSION, DO WE HAVE NO REASON LEFT TO GO INTO SPACE??""""
What's the freezing point of N2O4/Aerozine-50?

What's the boiling point of N2O4/Aerozine-50?

What's the temperature on the moon?
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Temperature of the moon is irrelevant. What matters is the temperature of the fuel tanks which is dictated by the reflectivity and thermal properties of the spacecraft itself. The landing struts, being rather long and well insulated, do not tend to transfer much heat from the moon's surface to the rest of the vehicle. By the same token, a plastic bag does not instantly melt while held by an astronaut standing on the moon because the vacuum acts as an insulator and there is no transfer of heat from the moon's surface to the bag by way of convection because there is no air.

Now, my questions for you:
What temperature does the exterior skin of the international space station reach when it is on the daytime side of earth?

What temperature does the exterior skin of the international space station reach when it is on the night side of earth?

What are the freezing and boiling points of the unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine fuel used by ISS?
 Quoting: Astronut


The landing struts, being rather long and well insulated, do not tend to transfer much heat from the moon's surface to the rest of the vehicle.

Please define - Much

because later you state that NO heat is transfered to the bag, even though it is on the lunar surface, jast as the landing struts are.

And what about the Sun, bag is in direct sunlight, with no atmosphere, thats enough to fry it without temp transfer from the moons surface as well

I do tend to agree about the fuel temps though, I think the fuel can be safely kept from heating.

Its just that bloody photo is bugging me :)
 Quoting: Bogusdude


Never did get an answer to this :(

If it was a silly question then I appol, but Its still a question I want answering.

The photo in a plastic bag, left on the moon has always bothered me.
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climbs up and down this pole. When he climbs down, he
sings songs, and when he climbs up, he tells tales."

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What's the freezing point of N2O4/Aerozine-50?

What's the boiling point of N2O4/Aerozine-50?

What's the temperature on the moon?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 135784

Temperature of the moon is irrelevant. What matters is the temperature of the fuel tanks which is dictated by the reflectivity and thermal properties of the spacecraft itself. The landing struts, being rather long and well insulated, do not tend to transfer much heat from the moon's surface to the rest of the vehicle. By the same token, a plastic bag does not instantly melt while held by an astronaut standing on the moon because the vacuum acts as an insulator and there is no transfer of heat from the moon's surface to the bag by way of convection because there is no air.

Now, my questions for you:
What temperature does the exterior skin of the international space station reach when it is on the daytime side of earth?

What temperature does the exterior skin of the international space station reach when it is on the night side of earth?

What are the freezing and boiling points of the unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine fuel used by ISS?
 Quoting: Astronut


The landing struts, being rather long and well insulated, do not tend to transfer much heat from the moon's surface to the rest of the vehicle.

Please define - Much

because later you state that NO heat is transfered to the bag, even though it is on the lunar surface, jast as the landing struts are.

And what about the Sun, bag is in direct sunlight, with no atmosphere, thats enough to fry it without temp transfer from the moons surface as well

I do tend to agree about the fuel temps though, I think the fuel can be safely kept from heating.

Its just that bloody photo is bugging me :)
 Quoting: Bogusdude


Never did get an answer to this :(

If it was a silly question then I appol, but Its still a question I want answering.

The photo in a plastic bag, left on the moon has always bothered me.
 Quoting: Bogusdude

Been busy and honestly didn't see it the first time. Here's a great document about the thermal requirements and insulation of the landing gear:
[link to ntrs.nasa.gov]
Interestingly, the challenge thermally was NOT the lunar surface, that was easily anticipated and mitigated through insulation, the challenge was dealing with plume impingement from the RCS and descent stage systems (the latter particularly from using "pad" mode where the engine is left on until pad touchdown rather than probe contact - engineers wanted the astronauts to shut the engine off as soon as the probes contacted the ground and fall the rest of the way to the surface, but for the most part the apollo astronauts didn't like that idea). The result is that for Apollo 11 on, as far as the lunar surface is concerned, the landing gear have almost 8 times the required amount of insulation to deal with it. In total, Apollo 11's landing gear had 68.4 pounds of thermal insulation.

Now as far as the bag is concerned, yes it's in direct sunlight, but it's also mostly transparent. It's not going to absorb dramatically more sunlight than it would on earth.

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Thx for reply

The reason I was pushing this photo in a bag thing is because there was a guy on youtube who was trying to prove they did not go to the moon by placing a photo in a domestic oven heated to about 100c.

But you simply cant compare a domestic oven to the vacuum of space, heat transfer in a vacuum works differently to heat transfer in an oven.
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and scatters the dust a hundred versts away. And there is
a golden pole with a golden cage on top which is also the
Nail of the North. And there is a very wise tomcat which
climbs up and down this pole. When he climbs down, he
sings songs, and when he climbs up, he tells tales."

Legend of the Ostyaks of the Siberian Irtysh River Vally.
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Obama's birth cert was shot into space in 1961....he does not want anyone to find it.
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But you simply cant compare a domestic oven to the vacuum of space, heat transfer in a vacuum works differently to heat transfer in an oven.
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Bingo, you got it.
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only beings of love/light are allowed into space.


would you have it any other way?



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I am definately not an expert on our Space Program, but it seems very suspicious that we are now getting confirmation of Alien Life, The World is going to shit, America is going to shit, and we are conducting the LAST space Mission.

wtf
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Your Country ran out of money
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Cant be this. We have been out of money for years. USA lives on debt. We havent had a surplus since Clinton was in office.
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Thats a bloody good point.....errr

Your Country ran out of German Rocket Scientists.

Im clutching at straws
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Wait a minute, let me check my pockets. Yep! You're right! We did run out of German scientist! No wonder nothing else can go up? You think we can get a couple of more of them ... real cheap?

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Your Country ran out of money
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Cant be this. We have been out of money for years. USA lives on debt. We havent had a surplus since Clinton was in office.
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Thats a bloody good point.....errr

Your Country ran out of German Rocket Scientists.

Im clutching at straws
 Quoting: Bogusdude


Wait a minute, let me check my pockets. Yep! You're right! We did run out of German scientist! No wonder nothing else can go up? You think we can get a couple of more of them ... real cheap?

rockon
 Quoting: snow_bunny


I think you could probably get 1 or 2 real cheap right now, the german economey is doing good right now, so they must have a few "surplus" rocket guys.

I shall email their Fuhrer, and get back to you.

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and scatters the dust a hundred versts away. And there is
a golden pole with a golden cage on top which is also the
Nail of the North. And there is a very wise tomcat which
climbs up and down this pole. When he climbs down, he
sings songs, and when he climbs up, he tells tales."

Legend of the Ostyaks of the Siberian Irtysh River Vally.
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I am definately not an expert on our Space Program, but it seems very suspicious that we are now getting confirmation of Alien Life, The World is going to shit, America is going to shit, and we are conducting the LAST space Mission.

wtf
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


as planned.
Did you really think that a muntlicultural sesspool by design would have remained the worlds number 1 superpower for very long?
There had been better superpowers than yours at their time and age and even they had never really suceeded.
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Hrmmmm ,,,


Talk to yourself much OP?

I mean ,,, ya got to give the topic time for people to read, digest and formulate a responsible reply.


I am seeing that "impatience" more and more here.

Someone posts a new topic or something and if someone doesn't jump right in immediately

Right away the OP thinks that no one cares,,,

PATIENCE

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Naw, I am patient, I was just in a mood that day....rambling. It is OK to ramble some times. Really, I say so.
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