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Black Elk - Oglala Sioux Holy Man 1863-1950

 
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Many believe that the times we live in has given us some special understanding of our reality around us. But wise ones understand that the understanding of our reality, and our place within it, has always been understood by a handful of wise beings in each generation. The truth is always there to see for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Here are some quotes from Black Elk a Medicine Man or Holy Man of the Oglala Lakota (Sioux) tribe from many years ago. His wisdom is as true today as when he spoke it. Read the book 'Black Elk Speaks' for more on this great man. See what you think. I hope you like them as much as I do.

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Grown men may learn from very little children, for the hearts of little children are pure, and, therefore, the Great Spirit may show to them many things which older people miss.

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The first peace, which is the most important, is that which comes within the souls of people when they realize their relationship, their oneness, with the universe and all its powers, and when they realize that at the center of the universe dwells Wakan-Tanka (God), and that this center is really everywhere, it is within each of us. This is the real peace, and the others are but reflections of this. The second peace is that which is made between two individuals, and the third is that which is made between two nations. But above all you should understand that there can never be peace between nations until there is known that true peace, which, as I have often said, is within the souls of men.

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The Great Spirit is everywhere; he hears whatever is in our minds and our hearts, and it is not necessary to speak to Him in a loud voice.

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It is good to have a reminder of death before us, for it helps us to understand the impermanence of life on this earth, and this understanding may aid us in preparing for our own death. He who is well prepared is he who knows that he is nothing compared with Wakan-Tanka (God) who is everything; then he knows that world which is real.

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You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round..... The Sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours.... Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.

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you seem to have a good connection with the wakan tanka, peace and love
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you seem to have a good connection with the wakan tanka, peace and love
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I read this beautiful man's book "Black Elk Speaks" when I was in high school. I have to say that what he said changed my life. I hadn't heard anyone speak with such thoughts with such love and sincerity before.

Thank you for such a compliment. I am honored.
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you seem to have a good connection with the wakan tanka, peace and love
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I read this beautiful man's book "Black Elk Speaks" when I was in high school. I have to say that what he said changed my life. I hadn't heard anyone speak with such thoughts with such love and sincerity before.

Thank you for such a compliment. I am honored.
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i'm actually reading The Sacred Pipe Black Elk's Account of the Seven Rites of the Oglala Sioux right now, and he is one of the most remarkable speakers/men I've ever read.

What I find funny that what he says in the book is almost exactly how I perceived life was when I was a young child, it saddens me that I lost a lot of that just from being immersed in such a materialistic unholy society that pays no respect to mother earth and the great spirit. I'm 1/16th Sioux or maybe more, nothing at all but I've always respected the Sioux beliefs and felt the spirit of everything.
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What I find funny that what he says in the book is almost exactly how I perceived life was when I was a young child, it saddens me that I lost a lot of that just from being immersed in such a materialistic unholy society that pays no respect to mother earth and the great spirit. I'm 1/16th Sioux or maybe more, nothing at all but I've always respected the Sioux beliefs and felt the spirit of everything.
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Yes! Even though he didn't write the book "Black Elk Speaks" himself, his child-like purity and honesty comes out. It surprises us and attracts us. Why? Because it is so rare to see someone with the trials he faced to be so wise, humble and honest. I wish I could have met him. He died the year before I was born.

Great man. Thank you for this post.
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Sometimes dreams are wiser than waking.

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Hmmm..I may have to check that one out..Thanks OP
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Hmmm..I may have to check that one out..Thanks OP
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There appears to be a copy of the book "Black Elk Speaks" online in PDF format if you want to check it out.


"(triple w).humanresonance.org/black_elk.pdf"
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One last note about the Black Elk history.

In 1931, Ben Black Elk translated his father's words for John Neihardt. Afterwards and increasingly after his father's death in 1950, Ben Black Elk visited local schools to tell the traditional stories of the Lakota history and culture. Some of those sessions were recorded by a Lakota educator called Warfield Moose, Sr., who entrusted the tapes to his son, Warfield Moose, Jr., in 1996. Warfield Moose, Jr. made a CD of these recordings. This won the award for "Best Historical Recording" at the 2003 Native American Music Awards.

Amazon appears to have the audio CD. I haven't listened to it yet:

"h**p://www.amazon.com/dp/B00007802P"
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wisdom hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

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Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


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Hello Honey! Thank you. *smile*
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Hello Honey! Thank you. *smile*
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hi nother well deserved bump hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Don't you mean "African American" Elk
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Nice thread op!

And while I stood there
I saw more than I can tell,
and I understood more than I saw;
for I was seeing in a sacred manner
the shapes of things in the spirit,
and the shape of all shapes as they must
live together like one being.

Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks

hf
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Nice thread op!

And while I stood there
I saw more than I can tell,
and I understood more than I saw;
for I was seeing in a sacred manner
the shapes of things in the spirit,
and the shape of all shapes as they must
live together like one being.

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And I saw that the sacred hoop of my people
was one of many hoops that made one circle,
wide as daylight and as starlight, and in
the center grew one mighty flowering tree
to shelter all the children of one mother
and one father. And I saw that it was holy.

Thank you.
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Nice Thread!

Here are some Lakato Medicine Man Vids that are interesting.





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Don't you mean "African American" Elk
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Cleverness is not wisdom.
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Nice Thread!

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Thanks Blazen
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Grown men may learn from very little children, for the hearts of little children are pure, and, therefore, the Great Spirit may show to them many things which older people miss.

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yes....


'course the term 'little' is not a correct translation....

simply children....
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Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love.

hf
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Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love.

hf
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hence the translation errors....

'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'....

and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'....


in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different....
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Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love.

hf
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


hence the translation errors....

'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'....

and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'....


in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.Love is obviously the only reason he ever bothered to write these poems down,knowing,that some day they will be translated into the language of the snakes,for them to purify and cleanse themselves.

Something along the lines of "grown children" and "little men"?

If not then please do correct me for my snake tongue hasn't yet learned to define the different meanings that can be sensed through diluting the poison in one's mouth.

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Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love.

hf
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


hence the translation errors....

'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'....

and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'....


in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.Love is obviously the only reason he ever bothered to write these poems down,knowing,that some day they will be translated into the language of the snakes,for them to purify and cleanse themselves.

Something along the lines of "grown children" and "little men"?

If not then please do correct me for my snake tongue hasn't yet learned to define the different meanings that can be sensed through diluting the poison in one's mouth.

hf
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


ha ha....

those type of misdirection words tend to affect those who disagree, rather than those who agree.... 'little'....puts them in a negative mindset from the moment they see or hear it....all about the tritome paradox
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Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


more of a 'why state the obvious' philosophy....

saying 'little children' to a Sioux would garner a 'no shit' type response....
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Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love.

hf
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


hence the translation errors....

'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'....

and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'....


in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.Love is obviously the only reason he ever bothered to write these poems down,knowing,that some day they will be translated into the language of the snakes,for them to purify and cleanse themselves.

Something along the lines of "grown children" and "little men"?

If not then please do correct me for my snake tongue hasn't yet learned to define the different meanings that can be sensed through diluting the poison in one's mouth.

hf
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


ha ha....

those type of misdirection words tend to affect those who disagree, rather than those who agree.... 'little'....puts them in a negative mindset from the moment they see or hear it....all about the tritome paradox
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Ohhh,i can now taste the bittersweetness of your fruits clearly...it is apparent,although unfortunate,that these kinds of paradoxes are inevitable and consistent when overlords take venomous bights out of the perception of their "herd".These disciples are already born from the result of a paradox and therefore must reach out if they wish to exist.

A very rare and miraculous feat to achieve,but not at all impossible.They can be under the spell of poison and that is why they must learn the art of healing.Through their own battle of creating themselves,they will learn to create for others and love without regret.

"When meditation is mastered, the mind is unwavering like the flame of a lamp in a windless place."

Bhagavad Gita

People are afraid(i use the word afraid,because all evil is the product of fear of being equal) of different things.Whether it is the word "little" or anything else that they have had negative consequences with,the only way to conquer fear is through Love.

hf
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Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.
 Quoting: Xibalbá be


more of a 'why state the obvious' philosophy....

saying 'little children' to a Sioux would garner a 'no shit' type response....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Are you referring to my "philosophy" being expressed as "why state the obvious"?

Or am i misinterpreting your logic once again?

Oh please do have mercy on me ohyeah

Never mind,the poison was overwhelming,but not anymore.hf

On the contrary,not all children are little.When i was conceived,man...it's a miracle my mother didn't break her legs when standing up.Okay it wasn't that bad,but i was really heavy.

And i believe the Sioux were understanding enough to not respond in a "no shit" type of way.They would have either corrected the other persons point of view,or said something that the other person would have never understood.

Not that i'd know a Sioux personally,i'm just trying to follow the natural path of logic.

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