Black Elk - Oglala Sioux Holy Man 1863-1950 | |
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1123581321 (OP) User ID: 1317124 United States 04/26/2011 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you seem to have a good connection with the wakan tanka, peace and love Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1292235I read this beautiful man's book "Black Elk Speaks" when I was in high school. I have to say that what he said changed my life. I hadn't heard anyone speak with such thoughts with such love and sincerity before. Thank you for such a compliment. I am honored. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1292235 United States 04/26/2011 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you seem to have a good connection with the wakan tanka, peace and love Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1292235I read this beautiful man's book "Black Elk Speaks" when I was in high school. I have to say that what he said changed my life. I hadn't heard anyone speak with such thoughts with such love and sincerity before. Thank you for such a compliment. I am honored. i'm actually reading The Sacred Pipe Black Elk's Account of the Seven Rites of the Oglala Sioux right now, and he is one of the most remarkable speakers/men I've ever read. What I find funny that what he says in the book is almost exactly how I perceived life was when I was a young child, it saddens me that I lost a lot of that just from being immersed in such a materialistic unholy society that pays no respect to mother earth and the great spirit. I'm 1/16th Sioux or maybe more, nothing at all but I've always respected the Sioux beliefs and felt the spirit of everything. |
1123581321 (OP) User ID: 1317124 United States 04/26/2011 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I find funny that what he says in the book is almost exactly how I perceived life was when I was a young child, it saddens me that I lost a lot of that just from being immersed in such a materialistic unholy society that pays no respect to mother earth and the great spirit. I'm 1/16th Sioux or maybe more, nothing at all but I've always respected the Sioux beliefs and felt the spirit of everything. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1292235Yes! Even though he didn't write the book "Black Elk Speaks" himself, his child-like purity and honesty comes out. It surprises us and attracts us. Why? Because it is so rare to see someone with the trials he faced to be so wise, humble and honest. I wish I could have met him. He died the year before I was born. Great man. Thank you for this post. |
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1123581321 (OP) User ID: 1152772 United States 04/26/2011 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 1931, Ben Black Elk translated his father's words for John Neihardt. Afterwards and increasingly after his father's death in 1950, Ben Black Elk visited local schools to tell the traditional stories of the Lakota history and culture. Some of those sessions were recorded by a Lakota educator called Warfield Moose, Sr., who entrusted the tapes to his son, Warfield Moose, Jr., in 1996. Warfield Moose, Jr. made a CD of these recordings. This won the award for "Best Historical Recording" at the 2003 Native American Music Awards. Amazon appears to have the audio CD. I haven't listened to it yet: "h**p://www.amazon.com/dp/B00007802P" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1305130 United States 04/27/2011 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice thread op! And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell, and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks |
1123581321 (OP) User ID: 1152772 United States 04/27/2011 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice thread op! Quoting: AngelseverywhereAnd while I stood there I saw more than I can tell, and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being. And I saw that the sacred hoop of my people was one of many hoops that made one circle, wide as daylight and as starlight, and in the center grew one mighty flowering tree to shelter all the children of one mother and one father. And I saw that it was holy. Thank you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 765966 United States 04/27/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Grown men may learn from very little children, for the hearts of little children are pure, and, therefore, the Great Spirit may show to them many things which older people miss. Quoting: 1123581321yes.... 'course the term 'little' is not a correct translation.... simply children.... |
Xibalbá be User ID: 1358688 Estonia 04/27/2011 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love. “The desire of power in excess caused the angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall.” - Francis Bacon, Sr. quotes (English Lawyer and Philosopher. 1561-1626) You will now All->Save->Undo->Cut->Copy->Paste->Bold->Print->Home->Alt->Ctrl->Pause->Break->Page Down->Page Up->Enter Insert->End->Delete Choose your destiny. Sub-atomic <-> atomic sub |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 765966 United States 04/27/2011 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love. Quoting: Xibalbá behence the translation errors.... 'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'.... and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'.... in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different.... |
Xibalbá be User ID: 1358688 Estonia 04/27/2011 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love. Quoting: Xibalbá behence the translation errors.... 'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'.... and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'.... in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different.... Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.Love is obviously the only reason he ever bothered to write these poems down,knowing,that some day they will be translated into the language of the snakes,for them to purify and cleanse themselves. Something along the lines of "grown children" and "little men"? If not then please do correct me for my snake tongue hasn't yet learned to define the different meanings that can be sensed through diluting the poison in one's mouth. “The desire of power in excess caused the angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall.” - Francis Bacon, Sr. quotes (English Lawyer and Philosopher. 1561-1626) You will now All->Save->Undo->Cut->Copy->Paste->Bold->Print->Home->Alt->Ctrl->Pause->Break->Page Down->Page Up->Enter Insert->End->Delete Choose your destiny. Sub-atomic <-> atomic sub |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 765966 United States 04/27/2011 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love. Quoting: Xibalbá behence the translation errors.... 'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'.... and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'.... in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different.... Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.Love is obviously the only reason he ever bothered to write these poems down,knowing,that some day they will be translated into the language of the snakes,for them to purify and cleanse themselves. Something along the lines of "grown children" and "little men"? If not then please do correct me for my snake tongue hasn't yet learned to define the different meanings that can be sensed through diluting the poison in one's mouth. ha ha.... those type of misdirection words tend to affect those who disagree, rather than those who agree.... 'little'....puts them in a negative mindset from the moment they see or hear it....all about the tritome paradox |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 765966 United States 04/27/2011 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages. Quoting: Xibalbá bemore of a 'why state the obvious' philosophy.... saying 'little children' to a Sioux would garner a 'no shit' type response.... |
Xibalbá be User ID: 1358688 Estonia 04/27/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Black Elk?...This my friends,is what i would call unconditional Love. Quoting: Xibalbá behence the translation errors.... 'little' puts a condition on the term 'children'.... and 'grown' puts a condition on the term 'men'.... in his native tongue, the syntax is quite different.... Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages.Love is obviously the only reason he ever bothered to write these poems down,knowing,that some day they will be translated into the language of the snakes,for them to purify and cleanse themselves. Something along the lines of "grown children" and "little men"? If not then please do correct me for my snake tongue hasn't yet learned to define the different meanings that can be sensed through diluting the poison in one's mouth. ha ha.... those type of misdirection words tend to affect those who disagree, rather than those who agree.... 'little'....puts them in a negative mindset from the moment they see or hear it....all about the tritome paradox Ohhh,i can now taste the bittersweetness of your fruits clearly...it is apparent,although unfortunate,that these kinds of paradoxes are inevitable and consistent when overlords take venomous bights out of the perception of their "herd".These disciples are already born from the result of a paradox and therefore must reach out if they wish to exist. A very rare and miraculous feat to achieve,but not at all impossible.They can be under the spell of poison and that is why they must learn the art of healing.Through their own battle of creating themselves,they will learn to create for others and love without regret. "When meditation is mastered, the mind is unwavering like the flame of a lamp in a windless place." Bhagavad Gita People are afraid(i use the word afraid,because all evil is the product of fear of being equal) of different things.Whether it is the word "little" or anything else that they have had negative consequences with,the only way to conquer fear is through Love. “The desire of power in excess caused the angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall.” - Francis Bacon, Sr. quotes (English Lawyer and Philosopher. 1561-1626) You will now All->Save->Undo->Cut->Copy->Paste->Bold->Print->Home->Alt->Ctrl->Pause->Break->Page Down->Page Up->Enter Insert->End->Delete Choose your destiny. Sub-atomic <-> atomic sub |
Xibalbá be User ID: 1358688 Estonia 04/27/2011 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heheh,i catch your drift.Not a surprise either,the natives didn't need all these fancy words.They had Love,different meanings with more profound messages. Quoting: Xibalbá bemore of a 'why state the obvious' philosophy.... saying 'little children' to a Sioux would garner a 'no shit' type response.... Are you referring to my "philosophy" being expressed as "why state the obvious"? Or am i misinterpreting your logic once again? Oh please do have mercy on me Never mind,the poison was overwhelming,but not anymore. On the contrary,not all children are little.When i was conceived,man...it's a miracle my mother didn't break her legs when standing up.Okay it wasn't that bad,but i was really heavy. And i believe the Sioux were understanding enough to not respond in a "no shit" type of way.They would have either corrected the other persons point of view,or said something that the other person would have never understood. Not that i'd know a Sioux personally,i'm just trying to follow the natural path of logic. “The desire of power in excess caused the angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall.” - Francis Bacon, Sr. quotes (English Lawyer and Philosopher. 1561-1626) You will now All->Save->Undo->Cut->Copy->Paste->Bold->Print->Home->Alt->Ctrl->Pause->Break->Page Down->Page Up->Enter Insert->End->Delete Choose your destiny. Sub-atomic <-> atomic sub |