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Anonymous Coward User ID: 287857 United States 04/28/2011 02:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Gospel of Thomas is an excellent book-and I recommend it to all It is unfortunate that so few have studied these words or able to understand applicability Council of Nicea undermined the truth-usurping power for earthly kings time to know the truth and move past the confusion Discern with the spirit what is true and what is not there is no other time to seek but the now-and to realize the divine is within not external in some world leader- |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i hope as many of you that can read these and enjoy them do. they all apply to us. Love , me |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1260971 Canada 04/28/2011 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not impressed. Still completely submissive to the patriarch system. If he had included the feminine principle I might be more impressed. You simply CANNOT have peace and harmony as long as the masculine continues to suppress the feminine. We need balance between the two. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not impressed. Still completely submissive to the patriarch system. If he had included the feminine principle I might be more impressed. You simply CANNOT have peace and harmony as long as the masculine continues to suppress the feminine. We need balance between the two. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260971though i think it may have been misinterpreted, i shouldnt have included it. You are an equal to me. If not more superior. I love you |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286724 These are the seven [powers] of wrath. They ask the soul, "Whence do you come, slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?" The soul answered and said, "What binds me has been slain, and what surrounds me has been overcome, and my desire has been ended and ignorance has died. In a [world] I was released from a world, [and] in a type from a heavenly type, and (from) the fetter of oblivion which is transient. From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence." Vi Veri Viniversum Vivus Vici: "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe". |
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Seeker User ID: 1357863 United States 04/28/2011 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not impressed. Still completely submissive to the patriarch system. If he had included the feminine principle I might be more impressed. You simply CANNOT have peace and harmony as long as the masculine continues to suppress the feminine. We need balance between the two. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260971though i think it may have been misinterpreted, i shouldnt have included it. You are an equal to me. If not more superior. I love you Saying added to the original collection at a later date:] 114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." hmmmmm, can we discuss this part? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These appear to all be Buddhist style messages, more specific than what The Church chose to add to their bible creation.. Not surprising they left this out really. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314some do sound more like proverbs. but they are comforting |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 904314 Canada 04/28/2011 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For example: 106 Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move." Compared to: False-imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation, not reality. Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. ~ Buddha in the Lankavatara Sutra |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not impressed. Still completely submissive to the patriarch system. If he had included the feminine principle I might be more impressed. You simply CANNOT have peace and harmony as long as the masculine continues to suppress the feminine. We need balance between the two. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260971though i think it may have been misinterpreted, i shouldnt have included it. You are an equal to me. If not more superior. I love you Saying added to the original collection at a later date:] 114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." hmmmmm, can we discuss this part? well, you know it doesnt mean literally, i think it may have meant -as far as he taught men to minister- as in teach her to minister the same as a man with the same teachings. as an equal. so what do you think? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For example: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314106 Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move." Compared to: False-imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation, not reality. Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. ~ Buddha in the Lankavatara Sutra well like-yen/yang- same as Alpha/Omega- Christ is the Alpha and the Omega- the beginning and the end, though he is one, in that aspect he is two its mostly characteristics to me in some ways |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 904314 Canada 04/28/2011 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah here, this will help, one you highlighted: 70 Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you." Buddhism comes down to the teaching of how to "bring forth what is within you", as stated by Jesus in the above quote There are countless buddhist zen quotes and sayings that reflect the same as all of the quotes you posted.. Don't misunderstand.. 'buddhism' is not a religion, but a set of instructions on how to.. hmm.. operate your Mind. It is not incompatible with other religions, in essence other religions are also trying to teach the same thing, but the message often gets lost under the dogma aspect of things |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah here, this will help, one you highlighted: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 90431470 Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you." Buddhism comes down to the teaching of how to "bring forth what is within you", as stated by Jesus in the above quote There are countless buddhist zen quotes and sayings that reflect the same as all of the quotes you posted.. Don't misunderstand.. 'buddhism' is not a religion, but a set of instructions on how to.. hmm.. operate your Mind. It is not incompatible with other religions, in essence other religions are also trying to teach the same thing, but the message often gets lost under the dogma aspect of things well, where most Christians will trample other beliefs or religions, im quite the opposite. Im a Christian who believes that other beliefs and religions are just as important to the people who believe them as comfort,and/or a way of life. I've always been a Christian, and i believe all religions and beliefs are important, and i dont have a problem with any of them. I believe in one true God and the Son and the Holy Spirit. just as most Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. i dont. or that other races are not as equal. I dont. We all have to live here and really the one true message all in all is LOVE. maybe im wrong, but only to other people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 904314 Canada 04/28/2011 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well, where most Christians will trample other beliefs or religions, im quite the opposite. Im a Christian who believes that other beliefs and religions are just as important to the people who believe them as comfort,and/or a way of life. I've always been a Christian, and i believe all religions and beliefs are important, and i dont have a problem with any of them. I believe in one true God and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Quoting: POWERSHIFTERAwesome, it's important to realize that one person's path might not 'translate' well for another person's mental disposition Just for fun, what is your interpretation of one of the quotes in your list that you find really profound? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1357863 United States 04/28/2011 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not impressed. Still completely submissive to the patriarch system. If he had included the feminine principle I might be more impressed. You simply CANNOT have peace and harmony as long as the masculine continues to suppress the feminine. We need balance between the two. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1260971though i think it may have been misinterpreted, i shouldnt have included it. You are an equal to me. If not more superior. I love you Saying added to the original collection at a later date:] 114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." hmmmmm, can we discuss this part? well, you know it doesnt mean literally, i think it may have meant -as far as he taught men to minister- as in teach her to minister the same as a man with the same teachings. as an equal. so what do you think? well, lets remember that she was the only one who understood thee same teachings...it is why the question arose as to why Jesus loved her more, and he answered why do I love you less. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well, where most Christians will trample other beliefs or religions, im quite the opposite. Im a Christian who believes that other beliefs and religions are just as important to the people who believe them as comfort,and/or a way of life. I've always been a Christian, and i believe all religions and beliefs are important, and i dont have a problem with any of them. I believe in one true God and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Quoting: POWERSHIFTERAwesome, it's important to realize that one person's path might not 'translate' well for another person's mental disposition Just for fun, what is your interpretation of one of the quotes in your list that you find really profound? 16 Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. a lot of depictions show him holding the olive branch, or show him as a bringer of peace. i like to think of him in this way because when it comes down to it, peace finally comes from after much chaos. To slay evil in every corner though there is a certain balance to be maintained. eventually all evil must desist, in order for peace to reign. Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. maybe not what your looking for but, gospel is mostly not to be taken literally. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will I loved the gospel of Thomas but this is not the translation I read and affronts me, because it has been obviously mucked up. Quoting: Nobody in Particulardo you have a link cos im open to other translations. and really i like the way this one was already separated into lines, v/s paragraphs-easier to grab one and take it to heart. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1234013 United States 04/28/2011 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: POWERSHIFTERthough i think it may have been misinterpreted, i shouldnt have included it. You are an equal to me. If not more superior. I love you Saying added to the original collection at a later date:] 114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." hmmmmm, can we discuss this part? well, you know it doesnt mean literally, i think it may have meant -as far as he taught men to minister- as in teach her to minister the same as a man with the same teachings. as an equal. so what do you think? well, lets remember that she was the only one who understood thee same teachings...it is why the question arose as to why Jesus loved her more, and he answered why do I love you less. that was a great answer too wasnt it |
JoanofArc User ID: 1287266 United States 04/28/2011 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When Eve was in Adam there was no death; but when she was separated from him death came into being. If she go in again, and he take her to himself, death will no longer exist. For this reason a man and woman will leave their parents and cleave one (the woman) to the other (the man) becoming one flesh. She or he who loves anyone or anything more than me and being part of me (Christ) and allows them, or it, to come in between is unworthy of me and will die. If the woman had not separated from the man, and had not gone apart from him to talk to Satan, deciding to believe Satan in preference to God, thereby calling God the liar, she would not die with and have caused the man to die. His separation through worshipping the woman first rather than God became the beginning of death. Because of this Christ came, in order that he might remove the separation which was from the beginning, and again unite the two; and that he might give life to those who died in the separation, and unite them (in serving God). But the woman is united to the man in the "Bridal Chamber". Only those who have united in "The Bridal Chamber" (of God) will no longer be separated. Because of this Eve separated from Adam, because she was not united to him in the "Bridal Chamber" of God, and went to serve Satan in his world where he comes between man and woman and between both of them and God. He whom the woman loves, those whom she will bear are like him: if her husband (or God), they are like her husband (or God); if it is an adulterer (or Satan), they are like the adulterer (or Satan). Often if a woman sleeps with her husband of necessity, but her heart is with the adulterer (or Satan) with whom she is wont to consort (in his world), then what she bears she bears in the likeness of the adulterer (or Satan). But you who are with the Son of God, love not the world but love the Lord, that those you bring forth may not be like unto the world but may be like the Lord. Man mixes with man, horse mixes with horse, ass mixes with ass. The kinds mix with those of like kind. So also spirit is wont to mix only with spirit and the Word to consort with the Word and the Light to consort with the Light. If thou become man men will love thee. If thou become spirit the Spirit will be joined to thee. If thou become (and not just speak) the Word, it is the Word which will mix with thee. If thou become Light, it is the Light which will consort with thee. If thou become one of those who belong above, those who belong above will find their rest in thee. If thou become horse or ass or bull or dog or goat or any other animal of those outside and those below (or as in the case of some people all of them), then neither man nor Spirit, nor the Word nor Light, nor those above nor those within will be able to love thee. They will not be able to find rest in or with thee and thou hast no part in them. He or she who is a slave against his or her will will be able to become free. He who has become free by the favour of his master and has sold himself again into slavery to his master's enemy will no longer be able to be free. (Seven devils enter the clean house and he is worse then than he was in his first state). JAH [link to jahtruth.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1357863 United States 04/28/2011 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?" is this by chance talking about when born, the soul splits to two, and when rejoined, becomes one again? |
JoanofArc User ID: 1287266 United States 04/28/2011 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will I loved the gospel of Thomas but this is not the translation I read and affronts me, because it has been obviously mucked up. Quoting: Nobody in Particulardo you have a link cos im open to other translations. and really i like the way this one was already separated into lines, v/s paragraphs-easier to grab one and take it to heart. [link to jahtruth.net] Dear Truth- seeker, Here is critically important information that you need for your survival: information about "The TRUE Meaning of the Bible and ORIGINAL and TRUE Koran" * and "The Way home or face The Fire" which is the "Mother of the Book" referred to in the Koran and the "little Book" referred to in the Book of Christ's Revelation, which contains the only survival-plan that is guaranteed to work, guaranteed by the Ruler of the Universe Himself. * The Authorised Version Old Testament - New Testament - TRUE Koran - in ONE Book; all in the same language with Thees and Thous, called "The King of kings' Bible". The Koran that is promoted and distributed by the Meccans and which has caused countless wars between christians and moslems (because of its corrupted message about Jesus) and millions of deaths over hundreds of years is NOT the original version of the Koran that was given to Mohammed Mustafa by Gabriel in A.D. 640. The one that you can read an extract from by clicking below IS the ORIGINAL version, in English, and it is in PERFECT harmony with The king James' Bible and is in fact the third part of the Bible and was always intended by God to be so... [link to jahtruth.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 904314 Canada 04/28/2011 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1357863is this by chance talking about when born, the soul splits to two, and when rejoined, becomes one again? It's not that there's a soul, a split, or a lack of soul, or a lack of a split, it's that it's none of the above |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 904314 Canada 04/28/2011 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saying added to the original collection at a later date:] 114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven." Quoting: Seeker 1357863hmmmmm, can we discuss this part? There's a story in the Vimalakirti Sutra which I think highlights the same point as the above: Shariputra (a man) said "Why don't you change out of this female body?" The goddess replied, "For the past twelve years I have been trying to take on female form, but in the end with no success. What is there to change? If a sorcerer were to conjure up a phantom woman and then someone asked her why she didn't change out of her female body, would that be any kind of reasonable question?" "No", said Shariputra. "Phantoms have no fixed form, so what would there be to change?" The goddess said, "All things are just the same - they have no fixed form. So why ask why I don't change out of my female form?" At that time the goddess employed her supernatural powers to change Shariputra into a goddess like herself, while she took on Shariputra's form.. Then she asked, "Why don't you change out of this female body?" Shariputra, now in the form of a goddess, replied, "I don't know why I have suddenly changed and taken on a female body!" The goddess said, "Shariputra, if you can change out of this female body, then all women can change likewise. Shariputra, who is not a woman, appears in a woman's body. And the same is true of all women - though they appear in women's bodies, they are not women. Therefore the Buddha teaches that all phenomena are neither male nor female." Then the goddess withdrew her supernatural powers, and Shariputra returned to his original form. The goddess said to Shariputra, "Where now is the form and shape of your female body?" Shariputra said, "The form and shape of my female body does not exist, yet does not not exist." The goddess said, "All things are just like that - they do not exist, yet do not not exist. And that they do not exist, yet do not not exist, is exactly what the Buddha teaches." |
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