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TomTom sold user data to cops!!!

 
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TomTom sold user data to cops!!!
Got busted in the Netherlands but they are probably doing it everywhere.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

Just learn to read maps, people!
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04/28/2011 11:04 PM
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I guess people are more concerned with Obama's fucking birth certificate. Talk about distraction.

The thing that shit me the most about TomTom's statements over this is that TomTom said it will "rethink how it shares personal data".

Rethink? Why are you "sharing" data at all?

Glad I never got an in-car GPS. And they called me paranoid for it too.
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04/28/2011 11:06 PM
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lol

"TomTom says it thought the data would help with traffic flow and had no idea the data would be used to help the cops hand out speeding tickets."

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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04/28/2011 11:10 PM
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Besides selling the user data the situation really begs the question: Why does Tom Tom have user data in the first place.
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04/28/2011 11:11 PM
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Yea, but they're SORRY, and they had NO IDEA.


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Re: TomTom sold user data to cops!!!
Besides selling the user data the situation really begs the question: Why does Tom Tom have user data in the first place.
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Besides selling the user data the situation really begs the question: Why does Tom Tom have user data in the first place.
 Quoting: Phoenix 2012


Exactly. Why go to the expense of storing all that data at all? A: Businesses don't outlay $$$ unless they expect to get some in return.

Thanks for pin (on behalf of OP) :)
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lol

"TomTom says it thought the data would help with traffic flow and had no idea the data would be used to help the cops hand out speeding tickets."

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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lmao norespect
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if i had a tomtom, i tie to rockets and fire it wheres theres no roads and confuse the hell out of them
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lol

"TomTom says it thought the data would help with traffic flow and had no idea the data would be used to help the cops hand out speeding tickets."

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
 Quoting: Phoenix 2012


This excuse is worse than their action. Unfortunately in CorporateStan big companies can largely operate with impunity.
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04/28/2011 11:16 PM
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lol

"TomTom says it thought the data would help with traffic flow and had no idea the data would be used to help the cops hand out speeding tickets."

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
 Quoting: Phoenix 2012


This excuse is worse than their action. Unfortunately in CorporateStan big companies can largely operate with impunity.
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Not if we catch them in streets and shove tom toms up their asses!
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“We never foresaw this kind of use and many of our clients are not happy about it,” Chief Executive Harold Goddijn wrote in an email sent to customers. He went on to say that licensing agreements in the future would “prevent this type of use in the future.”

then later added this to their website

We are now aware that the police have used traffic information that you have helped to create to place speed cameras at dangerous locations where the average speed is higher than the legally allowed speed limit. We are aware a lot of our customers do not like the idea and we will look at if we should allow this type of usage.

wtf. they said they would stop, now they say welllllllllll
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04/28/2011 11:18 PM
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Just learn to read maps, people!
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But if they catch you with maps, you may be considered a terrorist because no one uses paper maps anymore - so you must be up to no good !
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CorporatStan...I like it!
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catch them in streets and shove tom toms up their asses!
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Someone should make that quote a dub step.
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I'm a former truck driver.I used to use tom tom to find my way.I got stopped by DOT and they wanted to see my log books so I showed them.My log books didn't match my tom tom's time and location of my trip so they confiscated my tom tom and my CDLs.Now I lost my license and I can't drive.Fuck tom tom.bump
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But if they catch you with maps, you may be considered a terrorist because no one uses paper maps anymore - so you must be up to no good !
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I can imagine it. "Paper maps? Why do you need to keep where you're going a secret? You're definitely up to no good!"
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“We never foresaw this kind of use and many of our clients are not happy about it,” Chief Executive Harold Goddijn wrote in an email sent to customers. He went on to say that licensing agreements in the future would “prevent this type of use in the future.”

then later added this to their website

We are now aware that the police have used traffic information that you have helped to create to place speed cameras at dangerous locations where the average speed is higher than the legally allowed speed limit. We are aware a lot of our customers do not like the idea and we will look at if we should allow this type of usage.

wtf. they said they would stop, now they say welllllllllll
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326925

I do not agree with data collecting without legitimate cause and the authority to do it but what did the customers really think was going to happen? They do it because they can and, like everybody else is doing these days, they'll sell what they gather for a profit. Why should the cops do their own 'research' if there's already somebody else doing it for them?

What I bolded up there in your post, is that what is actually happening? If it is, who can argue with the necessity for it? I can see no good reason to dispute the traffic cops' right to watch those areas - they just should have done their own work openly instead of spying in this sneaky manner.
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catch them in streets and shove tom toms up their asses!
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Someone should make that quote a dub step.
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LOL. "Hiiide yo' TomToms..."
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I'm a former truck driver.I used to use tom tom to find my way.I got stopped by DOT and they wanted to see my log books so I showed them.My log books didn't match my tom tom's time and location of my trip so they confiscated my tom tom and my CDLs.Now I lost my license and I can't drive.Fuck tom tom.bump
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is that a true story? thats crazy that could ever happen but i certainly dont doubt it
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: TomTom sold user data to cops!!!
Got busted in the Netherlands but they are probably doing it everywhere.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

Just learn to read maps, people!
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fuuuuudge
holy cow my paranoia about GPS and cell phones and their info being sold or handed over was true. So i am not such a dumb ass for having no gps and a dumb pay by the minute cell


Fuck man
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“We never foresaw this kind of use and many of our clients are not happy about it,” Chief Executive Harold Goddijn wrote in an email sent to customers. He went on to say that licensing agreements in the future would “prevent this type of use in the future.”

then later added this to their website

We are now aware that the police have used traffic information that you have helped to create to place speed cameras at dangerous locations where the average speed is higher than the legally allowed speed limit. We are aware a lot of our customers do not like the idea and we will look at if we should allow this type of usage.

wtf. they said they would stop, now they say welllllllllll
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326925

I do not agree with data collecting without legitimate cause and the authority to do it but what did the customers really think was going to happen? They do it because they can and, like everybody else is doing these days, they'll sell what they gather for a profit. Why should the cops do their own 'research' if there's already somebody else doing it for them?

What I bolded up there in your post, is that what is actually happening? If it is, who can argue with the necessity for it? I can see no good reason to dispute the traffic cops' right to watch those areas - they just should have done their own work openly instead of spying in this sneaky manner.
 Quoting: Sweetshrub


i agree with most of what your saying but here in the states traffic cameras issuing tickets is unconstitutional and most of the time get thrown out of court for hearsay, most people dont know that but its the truth. you have a right to face your accuser in the court of law and since that camera cant show up and testify, ticket gets squashed
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to place speed cameras at dangerous locations where the average speed is higher than the legally allowed speed limit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326925

What I bolded up there in your post, is that what is actually happening? If it is, who can argue with the necessity for it? I can see no good reason to dispute the traffic cops' right to watch those areas - they just should have done their own work openly instead of spying in this sneaky manner.
 Quoting: Sweetshrub


Careful of the spin, though. In Australia they define breaking the speed limit as automatically dangerous, so anywhere that can be shown where Joe Citizen is breaking the speed limit en masse must automatically be a huge danger zone.

Proper road engineers would (correctly) argue that since the 85th percentile* is copping a beating here, then obviously the speed limit is set too low.

*85th percentile: The speed that 85% of drivers feel comfortable at on a given stretch of road.

So in other words, they didn't use the data for driver safety, they did it for $$$. The same reason why TomTom stored the data in the first place. $$$.
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I'm a former truck driver.I used to use tom tom to find my way.I got stopped by DOT and they wanted to see my log books so I showed them.My log books didn't match my tom tom's time and location of my trip so they confiscated my tom tom and my CDLs.Now I lost my license and I can't drive.Fuck tom tom.bump
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is that a true story? thats crazy that could ever happen but i certainly dont doubt it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326925


wooow wait just a minute go to the press with this stuff man. Holy freaking cow this is big brother here: GPS, smart phones.

Me, I warned my family THAT TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU. BUT OH it's sooo easy to punch in that dumb ass GPS or cell phone for shit. Well looky now no personal freedom.
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pretty much tells ya there is an uplink...
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Dystopian future here we come!
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Of course the reason these pups are marketed as convienent and affordable, is to get as many people as possible tracked, duh. Same with the i-phone, and cell phones in general.
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I'm a former truck driver.I used to use tom tom to find my way.I got stopped by DOT and they wanted to see my log books so I showed them.My log books didn't match my tom tom's time and location of my trip so they confiscated my tom tom and my CDLs.Now I lost my license and I can't drive.Fuck tom tom.bump
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is that a true story? thats crazy that could ever happen but i certainly dont doubt it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326925


Yes.Not only that but they wouldn't let me drive the truck because they said I was over my hours.They had the truck towed and inpounded and I had to call my wife to come pick me up.
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fuuuuudge
holy cow my paranoia about GPS and cell phones and their info being sold or handed over was true. So i am not such a dumb ass for having no gps and a dumb pay by the minute cell

Fuck man
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Don't worry, I'm with you man. I never did the GPS thing, although I did have a mobile phone for a few years. One day it just really got to me how the phone actually knew where it was all the time and would blatantly display locality information on the screen.

It's okay to be unplugged :)
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"When it comes time to replace my garmin, be assured that it won't be with a tom tom."


I pulled this quote from one of the comments on Business Insider, to actually believe that it was only TomTom that does this would be foolish, TomTom just got caught, thats all.


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