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Laura Bow

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It seems idiotic to me to breed them larger, The breed suffers from hip dysplasia. Poor dogs always end up crippled. If you want the perfect breed of dog you want one that is all kinds. Mutts are the best.
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These are not German shepherds they are Alsatians.
Anything other than the standard breed of German Shepherds as defined by the Germans themselves is not a German Shepherd they are Alsatians they are not thorough bred but different inbreeds.
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yes the nazis where very specific with features and pure bred true German stuff so these dogs would be considered an abomination, a foulup of the pure race.
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What are your thoughts on how these dogs look?

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Leg height IMO is important, too.
My poor girl has a huge torso, but disproportionately shorter legs.

It's causing havoc on her hips :(

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I put together whatever leftovers of cooked veggies, protein, and potatoes/rice, with some water and mix in with a smaller amount of kibble usually given to form 2 cups of food.
I like to occasionally add flax meal or flax oil.

Need to remember the Condroitin/Glucosamine more often though :(
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A saw a larger dog when I was visiting Germany that looked like a German Shepherd, and he had nice square hips, not the crouching problematic ones of Shepherds.

The owner told me it was a Schaefer, not a Shepherd. Different breed, no hip problems. Beautiful dog, looked like the one in the picture in OP.
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In Germany, they have dogs called Alt Deutcher Schaeferhunde, of course that may not be the exact spelling...but it means "old German Shepherd Dog". They call them old fashioned German Shepherds over here and usually the breeders tend to have dogs with not only a square shape but larger size. My dogs are like this and, in my opinion, look much better than the show dogs they are putting forth today.
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I agree. Like the old-fashioned. IMO: Some breeders are ruining some of the show lines: The Germans are roaching the backs and sending us (exporting) their rejects and calling them "champion bloodlines" (and Americans are buying it hook, line and sinker ...) and even knowledgeable American breeders can't seem to quit breeding the over-angulated hocks and radar ears...poor things.
I have some pics of our dog...just need to get them downloaded to to share :)
 Quoting: InTheGLPHood


You're exactly right, did you see about the big stink over the Crufts dog in England? The dog that won best of breed over there looked BROKEN...the back end of the dog was awful. A lot of the American dogs are no better, though the one that won Westminster best of breed this year wasn't too bad. Perhaps time will tell if those show dogs will evolve? It's a shame. I've also heard that before about the Germans keeping the best dogs for themselves (why wouldn't they?) and exporting ones that aren't as nice.

And yes, definitely looking forward to pics of your big boy.
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Yes. Yeah that GSD that won Westminster wasn't too bad, he wasn't totally down on his hocks.

Then the temperament of some of the working dogs is way too hard as well (as in crazy hard, not suitable for families) and the opposite in some of the show dogs (too soft/timid).

Seems like some breeders are breeding extremes; whereas the breeders of the old-fashioned types seem to have better temperaments (for families).

Really, most dogs are family dogs, not police dogs, not show dogs...so a good family German Shepherd, IMO, really is worth their weight in gold.
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Leg height IMO is important, too.
My poor girl has a huge torso, but disproportionately shorter legs.

It's causing havoc on her hips :(

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Yes, LauraBow....
I put together whatever leftovers of cooked veggies, protein, and potatoes/rice, with some water and mix in with a smaller amount of kibble usually given to form 2 cups of food.
I like to occasionally add flax meal or flax oil.

Need to remember the Condroitin/Glucosamine more often though :(
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Oh yeah, Chondroitin/Glucosamine is what I give to my old dogs...I give them a ton of different pills but I think it helps keep them active. My big boy loves baked sweet potato, if you haven't tried it you should some time :-D
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In Germany, they have dogs called Alt Deutcher Schaeferhunde, of course that may not be the exact spelling...but it means "old German Shepherd Dog". They call them old fashioned German Shepherds over here and usually the breeders tend to have dogs with not only a square shape but larger size. My dogs are like this and, in my opinion, look much better than the show dogs they are putting forth today.
 Quoting: Laura Bow



I agree. Like the old-fashioned. IMO: Some breeders are ruining some of the show lines: The Germans are roaching the backs and sending us (exporting) their rejects and calling them "champion bloodlines" (and Americans are buying it hook, line and sinker ...) and even knowledgeable American breeders can't seem to quit breeding the over-angulated hocks and radar ears...poor things.
I have some pics of our dog...just need to get them downloaded to to share :)
 Quoting: InTheGLPHood


You're exactly right, did you see about the big stink over the Crufts dog in England? The dog that won best of breed over there looked BROKEN...the back end of the dog was awful. A lot of the American dogs are no better, though the one that won Westminster best of breed this year wasn't too bad. Perhaps time will tell if those show dogs will evolve? It's a shame. I've also heard that before about the Germans keeping the best dogs for themselves (why wouldn't they?) and exporting ones that aren't as nice.

And yes, definitely looking forward to pics of your big boy.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Yes. Yeah that GSD that won Westminster wasn't too bad, he wasn't totally down on his hocks.

Then the temperament of some of the working dogs is way too hard as well (as in crazy hard, not suitable for families) and the opposite in some of the show dogs (too soft/timid).

Seems like some breeders are breeding extremes; whereas the breeders of the old-fashioned types seem to have better temperaments (for families).

Really, most dogs are family dogs, not police dogs, not show dogs...so a good family German Shepherd, IMO, really is worth their weight in gold.
 Quoting: InTheGLPHood


That's the thing is that those breeding working dogs end up producing just that...and the average pet owner doesn't understand when they buy a working line dog that they may be getting in over their heads. And you're right, most of the people that are out buying dogs are looking for a good pet, nothing more.
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I agree. Like the old-fashioned. IMO: Some breeders are ruining some of the show lines: The Germans are roaching the backs and sending us (exporting) their rejects and calling them "champion bloodlines" (and Americans are buying it hook, line and sinker ...) and even knowledgeable American breeders can't seem to quit breeding the over-angulated hocks and radar ears...poor things.
I have some pics of our dog...just need to get them downloaded to to share :)
 Quoting: InTheGLPHood


You're exactly right, did you see about the big stink over the Crufts dog in England? The dog that won best of breed over there looked BROKEN...the back end of the dog was awful. A lot of the American dogs are no better, though the one that won Westminster best of breed this year wasn't too bad. Perhaps time will tell if those show dogs will evolve? It's a shame. I've also heard that before about the Germans keeping the best dogs for themselves (why wouldn't they?) and exporting ones that aren't as nice.

And yes, definitely looking forward to pics of your big boy.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Yes. Yeah that GSD that won Westminster wasn't too bad, he wasn't totally down on his hocks.

Then the temperament of some of the working dogs is way too hard as well (as in crazy hard, not suitable for families) and the opposite in some of the show dogs (too soft/timid).

Seems like some breeders are breeding extremes; whereas the breeders of the old-fashioned types seem to have better temperaments (for families).

Really, most dogs are family dogs, not police dogs, not show dogs...so a good family German Shepherd, IMO, really is worth their weight in gold.
 Quoting: InTheGLPHood


That's the thing is that those breeding working dogs end up producing just that...and the average pet owner doesn't understand when they buy a working line dog that they may be getting in over their heads. And you're right, most of the people that are out buying dogs are looking for a good pet, nothing more.
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Unless you're called Whitney Wisconsin.
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You're exactly right, did you see about the big stink over the Crufts dog in England? The dog that won best of breed over there looked BROKEN...the back end of the dog was awful. A lot of the American dogs are no better, though the one that won Westminster best of breed this year wasn't too bad. Perhaps time will tell if those show dogs will evolve? It's a shame. I've also heard that before about the Germans keeping the best dogs for themselves (why wouldn't they?) and exporting ones that aren't as nice.

And yes, definitely looking forward to pics of your big boy.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Yes. Yeah that GSD that won Westminster wasn't too bad, he wasn't totally down on his hocks.

Then the temperament of some of the working dogs is way too hard as well (as in crazy hard, not suitable for families) and the opposite in some of the show dogs (too soft/timid).

Seems like some breeders are breeding extremes; whereas the breeders of the old-fashioned types seem to have better temperaments (for families).

Really, most dogs are family dogs, not police dogs, not show dogs...so a good family German Shepherd, IMO, really is worth their weight in gold.
 Quoting: InTheGLPHood


That's the thing is that those breeding working dogs end up producing just that...and the average pet owner doesn't understand when they buy a working line dog that they may be getting in over their heads. And you're right, most of the people that are out buying dogs are looking for a good pet, nothing more.
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Unless you're called Whitney Wisconsin.
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I must have missed the deal with her...who is she? Or don't I want to know?
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Some of these dogs look to be a pretty powerful looking.

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Some of these dogs look to be a pretty powerful looking.


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Obviously those dogs have been trained extremely well. You have to consider an animal like that pretty much a weapon.
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Some of these dogs look to be a pretty powerful looking.


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Obviously those dogs have been trained extremely well. You have to consider an animal like that pretty much a weapon.
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Yes, they are absolutely amazing but I think with having a dog such as that comes distinct responsibilities. I also believe that dogs that are schutzhund/protection trained may also be open to lawsuits should something happen, even if the dog is in the right, but not 100%.
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That first shepherd looks exactly like my Shepherd.

He loves every one but I was reading an article from a trainer and he said someone told him that and he said, come in your home with a hood on or some thing like that and you'll see just how loving he is.

I'm sure if someone came into my home with bad intent, he would take care of him/her. He is an alpha dog as I've seen him take down two neighborhood dogs. He just stood over them until 'they' understood. Then he let them up and sent them on their way.
He just about killed a pit bull one time that jumped our fence and tried to use him as a female. lol

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If not, they have obviously been bred for size. I have to wonder what kind of health problems they might have such as hip dysplasia and other joint problems.
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Shepherds are a truly awesome breed. Gentle as kittens with your children, vicious attackers with bad guys. And that is if you don't bother training them, and just socialize them nicely as puppies and treat them as a family member. A trained shepherd is a force to be reckoned with.

The hip dysplasia is a bummer. My first shepherd had it bad by eight years old, and she lived to be 13. We used chondritin and glucosamine, which seemed to help, and aspirin when it got really bad. Our second shepherd, who is now ten, comes from a bloodline of dogs selected for good hips and she is doing fabulously well. If you get a shepherd (and you should) pay the extra money or whatever it takes to get one with a documented bloodline of sound hips.
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My neighbor has 2 of them. All they do is bark at everyone and every animal. Unless you have a farm, dogs are completely useless in modern society. Bacon wrapped in rat poison, dogs won't even think twice about chowing down.
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That first shepherd looks exactly like my Shepherd.

He loves every one but I was reading an article from a trainer and he said someone told him that and he said, come in your home with a hood on or some thing like that and you'll see just how loving he is.

I'm sure if someone came into my home with bad intent, he would take care of him/her. He is an alpha dog as I've seen him take down two neighborhood dogs. He just stood over them until 'they' understood. Then he let them up and sent them on their way.
He just about killed a pit bull one time that jumped our fence and tried to use him as a female. lol
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This is true. My GSD are friendly but only when they see me being friendly with the individuals. Is your GSD one of the bigger ones?
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He's around 100 lbs.
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If not, they have obviously been bred for size. I have to wonder what kind of health problems they might have such as hip dysplasia and other joint problems.
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Shepherds are a truly awesome breed. Gentle as kittens with your children, vicious attackers with bad guys. And that is if you don't bother training them, and just socialize them nicely as puppies and treat them as a family member. A trained shepherd is a force to be reckoned with.

The hip dysplasia is a bummer. My first shepherd had it bad by eight years old, and she lived to be 13. We used chondritin and glucosamine, which seemed to help, and aspirin when it got really bad. Our second shepherd, who is now ten, comes from a bloodline of dogs selected for good hips and she is doing fabulously well. If you get a shepherd (and you should) pay the extra money or whatever it takes to get one with a documented bloodline of sound hips.
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My neighbor has 2 of them. All they do is bark at everyone and every animal. Unless you have a farm, dogs are completely useless in modern society. Bacon wrapped in rat poison, dogs won't even think twice about chowing down.
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Well, my neighbor likes that he barks...It alerts him to possible danger.
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He's around 100 lbs.
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Sounds like he's a good size and a nice dog!
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If not, they have obviously been bred for size. I have to wonder what kind of health problems they might have such as hip dysplasia and other joint problems.
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Shepherds are a truly awesome breed. Gentle as kittens with your children, vicious attackers with bad guys. And that is if you don't bother training them, and just socialize them nicely as puppies and treat them as a family member. A trained shepherd is a force to be reckoned with.

The hip dysplasia is a bummer. My first shepherd had it bad by eight years old, and she lived to be 13. We used chondritin and glucosamine, which seemed to help, and aspirin when it got really bad. Our second shepherd, who is now ten, comes from a bloodline of dogs selected for good hips and she is doing fabulously well. If you get a shepherd (and you should) pay the extra money or whatever it takes to get one with a documented bloodline of sound hips.
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My neighbor has 2 of them. All they do is bark at everyone and every animal. Unless you have a farm, dogs are completely useless in modern society. Bacon wrapped in rat poison, dogs won't even think twice about chowing down.
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You sound a bit disgruntled. Why would you make a statement like that?
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Love the bigger dogs, had one growing up.
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My Beast Basil was truly a force to be reckoned with. He used to disappear in the spring for two or three weeks when the coyotes were in season. Then he would show up out of the blue all bright eyed and bushy tailed having fulfilled his needs.
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He's around 100 lbs.
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Sounds like he's a good size and a nice dog!
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Yes...he is the best friend I could have! When I'm napping or asleep, he's right there where no one could get to me without him knowing it. If I go out on the deck, he's right there with me. Usually when I go in, he does too.
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He's around 100 lbs.
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Sounds like he's a good size and a nice dog!
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Yes...he is the best friend I could have! When I'm napping or asleep, he's right there where no one could get to me without him knowing it. If I go out on the deck, he's right there with me. Usually when I go in, he does too.
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Sounds like he's very attached to you! Did you get him as a puppy? It's amazing how loyal German Shepherds are.
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Awesome dogs
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Awesome dogs
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German Shepherds are great...extremely loyal and smart.
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Eastern European Shepherds from Russia are sized like this.
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If not, they have obviously been bred for size. I have to wonder what kind of health problems they might have such as hip dysplasia and other joint problems.
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Shepherds are a truly awesome breed. Gentle as kittens with your children, vicious attackers with bad guys. And that is if you don't bother training them, and just socialize them nicely as puppies and treat them as a family member. A trained shepherd is a force to be reckoned with.

The hip dysplasia is a bummer. My first shepherd had it bad by eight years old, and she lived to be 13. We used chondritin and glucosamine, which seemed to help, and aspirin when it got really bad. Our second shepherd, who is now ten, comes from a bloodline of dogs selected for good hips and she is doing fabulously well. If you get a shepherd (and you should) pay the extra money or whatever it takes to get one with a documented bloodline of sound hips.
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My neighbor has 2 of them. All they do is bark at everyone and every animal. Unless you have a farm, dogs are completely useless in modern society. Bacon wrapped in rat poison, dogs won't even think twice about chowing down.
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You sound a bit disgruntled. Why would you make a statement like that?
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Maybe because His neighbor is an insensitive asshole that leaves His dogs out all night so they can keep everyone up with their barking. I have three dogs myself and they come in every night because I refuse to be that asshole neighbor whom keeps everyone up at night.
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Shepherds are a truly awesome breed. Gentle as kittens with your children, vicious attackers with bad guys. And that is if you don't bother training them, and just socialize them nicely as puppies and treat them as a family member. A trained shepherd is a force to be reckoned with.

The hip dysplasia is a bummer. My first shepherd had it bad by eight years old, and she lived to be 13. We used chondritin and glucosamine, which seemed to help, and aspirin when it got really bad. Our second shepherd, who is now ten, comes from a bloodline of dogs selected for good hips and she is doing fabulously well. If you get a shepherd (and you should) pay the extra money or whatever it takes to get one with a documented bloodline of sound hips.
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My neighbor has 2 of them. All they do is bark at everyone and every animal. Unless you have a farm, dogs are completely useless in modern society. Bacon wrapped in rat poison, dogs won't even think twice about chowing down.
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You sound a bit disgruntled. Why would you make a statement like that?
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Maybe because His neighbor is an insensitive asshole that leaves His dogs out all night so they can keep everyone up with their barking. I have three dogs myself and they come in every night because I refuse to be that asshole neighbor whom keeps everyone up at night.
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Perhaps so...just because his neighbor is an asshole that can't take care of his own dogs doesn't mean all dogs are completely useless in today's society. Unfortunately, there are jerks everywhere. It doesn't make much sense to me for someone to own a dog then shove it outside to bark all night, what's the point?
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Eastern European Shepherds from Russia are sized like this.
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Are you referring to these dogs? I believe they originated from German Shepherds but had other breeds mixed in, they are beautiful!

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I am from saskatchewan,I've owned lots of dogs on the farm and was able to get ahold of a kangal(antolian).

They are the real deal,basically designed to kill everything in a certain radius unless you climatize to the animals it is protecting,coyotes are a small snack they run up behind give them a quick shake and snap the neck.One adult is designed to take out two timber wolves,rumoured to have the highest bite force of any dog but i'm not sure of that.

Their coat is a lot like a beavers and they can stand any out door temp with a good dog house.Very good natured with kids and people they know,had a white pyranees before but not as capable as these things,nice dog though.

There is only a couple other breeds as capable,funny the turks and kurds are fighting over who's dog this is with the turks naming it their national dog and banning exports of them.

Youtube videos will blow your mind if your into dogs.
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I am from saskatchewan,I've owned lots of dogs on the farm and was able to get ahold of a kangal(antolian).

They are the real deal,basically designed to kill everything in a certain radius unless you climatize to the animals it is protecting,coyotes are a small snack they run up behind give them a quick shake and snap the neck.One adult is designed to take out two timber wolves,rumoured to have the highest bite force of any dog but i'm not sure of that.

Their coat is a lot like a beavers and they can stand any out door temp with a good dog house.Very good natured with kids and people they know,had a white pyranees before but not as capable as these things,nice dog though.

There is only a couple other breeds as capable,funny the turks and kurds are fighting over who's dog this is with the turks naming it their national dog and banning exports of them.

Youtube videos will blow your mind if your into dogs.
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Wow, I bet they're amazing animals. Did you import them from Turkey or did you acquire them in Canada? How large are they?
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Our boy is a rough coat solid black working line GSD. He's on the "softer" side of hard. Smart, attentive, calm nerves, and frankly is on point to be over 100 lbs. He's a table back and has really nice proportions. It kills me to see the overly cropped back line on shepherds. Totally cruel. One of his playmates is a rescue with the overly sloped haunch and she's beautiful to see running but painful to look at otherwise.
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