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I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

 
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Hi John,
I have read as much as I can on ATeeS, GLP, and ufolou but I still can't figure out if you really met Milton. Have you and if so is that when you decided it was real?
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Your english is incomprehensible.. Not surprising considering who youre talking to.
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Thank you for your critisism. I had to use alternate acronyms as the post would be removed otherwise. Considering who I am talking to, why are you posting here also? I am just curious. Thanks for the input and all the best to you.
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What is your take on 'Black Knight?'

Thread: YOU REMEMBER The Black Knight satellite- Mystery satellite was found in a polar orbit
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Now that's the kind of thing that needs to go into a book! I guess I will have to settle for a tin foil hat! Does it come autographed?
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Of course.


It sounds like your Dad's 'LearFan' project was about as successful as Jim Bede's miniature Jet business he had out in Minden NV in the 90's.
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More successful. No LearFan ever crashed or killed anybody.




There was a waiting list of celebs that couldn't wait to get
a hold of one of these expensive little death traps. People like Mick Jagger, John Travolta, Tom Cruise, etc.

The only problem was the planes didn't fly worth a shit!
I think there were at least two test pilots that died flying the damn things. Heard it had something to do with flutter. The ailerons were not right, malfunctioning and resulting in a high speed stall. (Or something to that effect.)
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The airplane, of which all four examples completed with B wings crashed on their first flight, three on takeoff and one lasted long enough to crash on landing and. In three of the four crashes, the pilots were killed and. Of the first 25 completed, with both the "A" and "B" wings, 14 crashed with 9 fatalities.

To say the BD-5 didn’t fly worth a shit would be like saying the Titanic didn’t float very well.



The scuttlebutt that I heard among people in the industry is that Jim had more money than brains.
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You may have that back to front. He had more brains than money after all he had orders for more than 4300.

Too bad about the test pilots, oh well...
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And the other 25 dead pilots? Chopped liver?

However, I was impressed by the Coors light Silver Bullet. Saw it fly one year in Ida Grove IA in addition to the Christen Eagles aerobatic team.(They had some serious flying skills!) That sucker was super tiny! Wasn't much bigger than some of the RC models they had there. Not a lot of room in the cockpit, looked pretty crammed. I think the pilot was a bit small as well.
Do you know what kind of jet engine the Bede 5J had in it?
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Sermel TRS-18-046 turbojet
(Betchya Bede had to bribe the AI in order to sign off on it.)

Given the opportunity, would you have flown it? Providing that you could fit into it of course!
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Are you kidding me? HELL NO. Almost 25 pilot were killed in Bede jets.

My fathers “LearFan” has the title of the single most expensive loss in the history of general aviation. The Beech Starship would have held the record but they actually got it certificated and sold a couple.

One of the 3 LearFan test articles ended up in its most useful application which was an ice cream stand. Allegedly the Lear family bought the ice cream stand and donated it the Museum of Flight, in Seattle Washington.

It is now on display and hangs near an SR-71. The unintentional irony is the fastest, highest flying reconnaissance jet airplane in the world was developed for a total cost of $34 million is right next to the single most expensive failure in the history of aviation having spent almost half of a billion dollars and never obtained certification.

The list of LearFan investors included the Lear Family $8 million, Oppenheimer Investments $30 million, The British Government $125 million and a pool of Saudi investors including Salim bin Laden (Osamas half-brother) and Prince Sultan (not the Defense Minister but his nephew) for an alleged $200 million.

The Museum of flight in Seattle Washington has never revealed what significance there was in the Lear Fan to award it center stage at their prestigious Museum.
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That last lot of info makes you re-look at museums and places that display artifacts as to 'why' certain things are placed on display. Always a back story to it.
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Hi John can you take a look at this plane and tell me if you know what it is. Thank you


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Looks like an MD90-30 with some photoshop work done.
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John,
Would you have flown the Spruce Goose given the opportunity? I have only soloed a Cessna 150 which was scary enough but the thought of getting up to takeoff speed on the water in a wooden airplane with that many engines would terrify me!
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Hi John,
I have read as much as I can on ATeeS, GLP, and ufolou but I still can't figure out if you really met Milton. Have you and if so is that when you decided it was real?
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As far as I know only Lou Baldin ever met Milton. John, as most of us, have different guides whom we have never consciously met.
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John,
Would you have flown the Spruce Goose given the opportunity? I have only soloed a Cessna 150 which was scary enough but the thought of getting up to takeoff speed on the water in a wooden airplane with that many engines would terrify me!
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I was out sailing one day in the Saanich Inlet, just north of Victoria BC and the Goose touched down within a couple hundred yards of us to pick up a load of water.

Quite the amazing sight. The roar was deafening and I was ASTOUNDED at the rate of climb that thing had with a full load.

Edit: Ooops! got confused with the Martin Mars water bomber. LOL!

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Hi John,
I have read as much as I can on ATeeS, GLP, and ufolou but I still can't figure out if you really met Milton. Have you and if so is that when you decided it was real?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19612400


As far as I know only Lou Baldin ever met Milton. John, as most of us, have different guides whom we have never consciously met.
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Thanks for the input - it is kind of what I was figuring but thought I would ask. I read him on Sleeper's site talking back and forth with Sleeper as though they both knew Milton. All of it is fascinating and hopeful that we could actually get parolled someday and have some real fun.
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What is your take on 'Black Knight?'
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I too would like to know that John..

That UFO was named 'Black Knight' after the British rocket program of the day but now the British just launched another 'Black Knight' satellite from Australia

Would really like your opinion on that
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Hey Gigas, there is a lot of info on it somewhere near the begining of this thread mate, including some hard to find pics.
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Hi John,

I really hope you know how much you are individually responsible and appreciated for motivating so many to explore the Moon!!

I'm sure you've seen this but I want to dedicate this to you!!
I've watched this over and over. I've been digging around in some craters myself!
Thank you!

CELESTIAL - a JOSE ESCAMILLA film

CELESTIAL - a JOSE ESCAMILLA film

I can really see why you came to GLP at the announcement of the GLP observatory I hope you have been able to access with the [craters] ha,ha (Creators)of the scope to obtain more discoveries that you and all of us so undeniably deserve.

But most especially you and those like you who devoted yourselves through passion to keep sharing th truth!
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Hi John,
In case you didnt see it NORMAN BERGRUN : RINGMAKERS OF SATURN INTERVIEW.




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John, have you talked to Art Bell lately?
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Hi John Lear!!





who is Sleeper?
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It's taken me quite some time to catch up here. Well worth it, even though I've had to either use a friends computer or use my cellphone, since glp continues to ban my IP address for whatever reason it was they did.

I'm glad you're doing well Mr.Lear, and was happy to read all your recent posts.
2 questions arise after reading.
1, how far up in the navy chain do you have to be before things get juicy? I have family in the navy, training officers and chiefs. I try to get what I can but you know how how it is. Just curious if they'd be the wiser to spawar and the like.

2- any new thoughts on time travel? New developments maye?

Always a pleasure Mr.Lear
Adam
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Hello Mr. Lear. I've enjoyed watching your interviews on youtube. What was your favorite prop plane to fly? So you were a pilot for the CIA, were you also an agent? Is there some type of protocol the ETs follow to be non interventional?
Thank you.
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Good morning GSTR,

There were so many prop planes that I loved to fly but the ones that really stand out are the P-51 Mustang and the Lockheed Constellation.



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Holy fuck...Mustang huh?!
Well John you may be right concerning the cold war.

Scary shit right now.
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What about the Blackbird?

Ever flown it?

Or do u know the guy...like his name... that flew Bush to France and back?

The Bush that the Japanese saw as the main course, yea him.

Really....

?

lol
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Hi John Lear!!





who is Sleeper?
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Sleeper is our UFO nut!!!

He has been into outer space.

He has been into inner space also.

He tells us a lot of stuff that only a few of us (me) can believe.
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John have you seen the UFO vid. from Turkey`? [link to www.youtube.com]
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Hi John Lear!!





who is Sleeper?
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Sleeper is our UFO nut!!!

He has been into outer space.

He has been into inner space also.

He tells us a lot of stuff that only a few of us (me) can believe.
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I believe in Sleeper!!
When you die you will find out that John Lear was right .....Hoss
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John,

I just wondering what your response is to this video. Bill Cooper names you as a CIA agent.
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What about the Blackbird?

Ever flown it?
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No. I got to sit in the YF-12A at Edwards Air Force Base. I was with a former Lockheed Test Pilot. I was never in the air force.


Or do u know the guy...like his name... that flew Bush to France and back?
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Gunther Russbacher flew it (SR-71) back from French Air Force Base Reims. Russbacher was flown to Paris (he sat in the back) of the BAC-111 that flew him over.

There were 2 airplanes used going over. Heinrich Rupp flew the Gulfsteam and I don't remember who flew the B-737.

There is a video tape (always running when somebody occupies the back seat (which is most always) which shows George Bush (the father not the kid) on the trip back from Reims. I wonder were that tape is now! Probably buried under all those mainframes a Ft. Meade.



The Bush that the Japanese saw as the main course, yea him.

Really....

?

lol
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Actually after the first bite.
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John,

I just wondering what your response is to this video. Bill Cooper names you as a CIA agent.
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I believe Bill to be credible
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Will space be fully commercialized? Tourists on the moon, an orbiter trip for 10K...if Aliens are actually out there, it seems like there would not be this mad rush towards space tourism.
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If they're Ferengi, then they would be conducting the tours!!
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Hi John,

How do pets fit into the whole "life" thing?
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John,

I just wondering what your response is to this video. Bill Cooper names you as a CIA agent.
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This is about when we all realised Bill was telling lies about his navy career and document sightings.

He started hitting the bottle, changing his testimony and engaged in outrageous plagiarism of other people's work.

This is about the time he started leaving drunken death threats on the answering machines of conference organisers and magazine publishers. (Don Ecker for one)

Bill realised the jig was up and his lies were catching up to him. His only recourse was to use the few remaining conference gigs and radio spots to accuse ANYONE he didn't like of being a CIA agent.

After selling us his personal testimony on UFOs, he did a 180 and claimed UFOs didn't exist and were nothing more than part of a huge govt conspiracy towards a NWO. In other words, his conspiracy UFO followers had realised his lies, and so he turned to the next most gullible 'market' - ie conspiracy aware christians.

He is a hero to many because he put the Protocols of Zion into his book, but to those who had long-time dealings with him, it became evident he was a fraud from the beginning.

I'm sure he was nice to stars like John here, who he needed to bolster his own credibility. But to others he was nothing more than a liar and a fraud, who beat up his wife when he got drunk. He was never suppressed by the govt - he was dismissed by his own crowd for making death threats from the stage, from being drunk on stage and on radio, and for lying to publishers about his past.

The ends do NOT justify the means, and this guy was NO hero!
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John,

I just wondering what your response is to this video. Bill Cooper names you as a CIA agent.
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This is about when we all realised Bill was telling lies about his navy career and document sightings.

He started hitting the bottle, changing his testimony and engaged in outrageous plagiarism of other people's work.

This is about the time he started leaving drunken death threats on the answering machines of conference organisers and magazine publishers. (Don Ecker for one)

Bill realised the jig was up and his lies were catching up to him. His only recourse was to use the few remaining conference gigs and radio spots to accuse ANYONE he didn't like of being a CIA agent.

After selling us his personal testimony on UFOs, he did a 180 and claimed UFOs didn't exist and were nothing more than part of a huge govt conspiracy towards a NWO. In other words, his conspiracy UFO followers had realised his lies, and so he turned to the next most gullible 'market' - ie conspiracy aware christians.

He is a hero to many because he put the Protocols of Zion into his book, but to those who had long-time dealings with him, it became evident he was a fraud from the beginning.

I'm sure he was nice to stars like John here, who he needed to bolster his own credibility. But to others he was nothing more than a liar and a fraud, who beat up his wife when he got drunk. He was never suppressed by the govt - he was dismissed by his own crowd for making death threats from the stage, from being drunk on stage and on radio, and for lying to publishers about his past.

The ends do NOT justify the means, and this guy was NO hero!
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Hogwash.
William Cooper was a brilliant researcher and his radio program Hour Of The Time delved into some very serious and deep subjects. And he cites John Lear in regards to an alternative version of the Zapruder film at 39:30 in the video-not aliens.

As far as Cooper's beliefs toward the alien agenda, so what if he had changed his mind? That is the whole point of research, to align your perceptions with reality. And what is more interesting to point out, is that Cooper never started receiving serious government opposition until he started mention Blue Beam and the NWO agenda.

Obviously you are still threatened by Cooper and I find that ridiculous and hilarious at the same time.





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