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Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?

 
Anonymous Coward
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Just in case it wasn't "easy enough" to follow my logic, I will show you my steps in the transform I used.

6÷2n=y
6=y*2n
6=2n*y
6=2ny

6=2*3*1
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01/17/2013 11:04 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
This is exactly what we are arguing over here:

[link to www.matthewcompher.com]
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I will read it in a sec. I have researched the exact meaning of the obelus, depicted here:

[link to www.freeimagehosting.net]

It was used as a grouping symbol. Not that is applies anymore, it was first used like this:
6 ÷ 2 + 1 really meant 6 ÷ (2+1). neither here nor there, but I thought you would find that interesting, i guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


The meaning of the obelus is where our problems arose from...

And even me googling it doesn't give me a definitive answer, just that blog which leads me to believe you are correct and I have been wrong.
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
That is hilarious. He referenced the exact page of the book I found earlier this week.
But again, if you go back to that algebra page I gave you, we group variables together, and even YOU did those math equations using those very same rules, yet you are using a different 'rule' to get your 9, therefore, contradicting yourself.
Anyway, I gotta run for now. Sorry for a few snappy remarks at you earlier, I thought you were one of the other guys trolling, then I realized it was you after I replied :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


All good I gave really shitty responses to people in this thread. Joke is on me, I was wrong. Thanks for your work.

If you have anything else on the obelus, post it here.
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01/17/2013 11:08 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Do you have a source for that image?
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I made it. If you look at your screen at an angle, you should see caper_26 as a watermark
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01/17/2013 11:11 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
All good I gave really shitty responses to people in this thread. Joke is on me, I was wrong. Thanks for your work.

If you have anything else on the obelus, post it here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


I have already, and of course, I was told I was retarded, etc etc.
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01/17/2013 11:12 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Do you have a source for that image?
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I made it. If you look at your screen at an angle, you should see caper_26 as a watermark
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


Yea I see it. Thanks man.
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01/17/2013 11:13 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
All good I gave really shitty responses to people in this thread. Joke is on me, I was wrong. Thanks for your work.

If you have anything else on the obelus, post it here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


I have already, and of course, I was told I was retarded, etc etc.
 Quoting: caper_26 32057798


Yup. That was me. Sorry. You were right. I am retarded.
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01/17/2013 11:17 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
All good I gave really shitty responses to people in this thread. Joke is on me, I was wrong. Thanks for your work.

If you have anything else on the obelus, post it here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


I have already, and of course, I was told I was retarded, etc etc.
 Quoting: caper_26 32057798


I am surprised you accept the obelus as the deal breaker, and not the identity property.
a / 1a = 1. This is not disputable. Even ask your PhD friend about that. the 1 is there whether you write it or not. Anyone who knows math knows this. Therefore a/a is always 1, and a/1a is always 1. Therefore a/2a MUST be 1/2, and 6/2a is 3/a, and a = 2+1 so 6/2(2+1) = 3/(2+1).

The identity law is something we all can read, and accept. For me, that was deal breaker, along with fractional coefficients written with a '/' all use ( ) as well.
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Yup. That was me. Sorry. You were right. I am retarded.
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You are the furthest from retarded. This equation is/was debated by doctorates. Those guys are far from retarded as well.
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01/17/2013 11:19 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
All good I gave really shitty responses to people in this thread. Joke is on me, I was wrong. Thanks for your work.

If you have anything else on the obelus, post it here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


I have already, and of course, I was told I was retarded, etc etc.
 Quoting: caper_26 32057798


I am surprised you accept the obelus as the deal breaker, and not the identity property.
a / 1a = 1. This is not disputable. Even ask your PhD friend about that. the 1 is there whether you write it or not. Anyone who knows math knows this. Therefore a/a is always 1, and a/1a is always 1. Therefore a/2a MUST be 1/2, and 6/2a is 3/a, and a = 2+1 so 6/2(2+1) = 3/(2+1).

The identity law is something we all can read, and accept. For me, that was deal breaker, along with fractional coefficients written with a '/' all use ( ) as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


I understand, but the original equation was written with an obelus, NOT a solidus...
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01/17/2013 11:24 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
So how did it go?

The 9 way or 1.

Somebody has to put this to vote.
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
All good I gave really shitty responses to people in this thread. Joke is on me, I was wrong. Thanks for your work.

If you have anything else on the obelus, post it here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


I have already, and of course, I was told I was retarded, etc etc.
 Quoting: caper_26 32057798


I am surprised you accept the obelus as the deal breaker, and not the identity property.
a / 1a = 1. This is not disputable. Even ask your PhD friend about that. the 1 is there whether you write it or not. Anyone who knows math knows this. Therefore a/a is always 1, and a/1a is always 1. Therefore a/2a MUST be 1/2, and 6/2a is 3/a, and a = 2+1 so 6/2(2+1) = 3/(2+1).

The identity law is something we all can read, and accept. For me, that was deal breaker, along with fractional coefficients written with a '/' all use ( ) as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


And yes, I understand your point with the identity property as well... I also suppose I thought the identity property is normally written out as a fraction, not with a solidus. Nevertheless I don't even think that matters now... a solidus or an obelus imply a fraction...
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
I understand, but the original equation was written with an obelus, NOT a solidus...
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But the identity law doesn't change, and is used the same way.


a ÷ a = 1 (There is still a 1 in front of both a's)
1a ÷ 1a = 1 (not 1*a÷1*a)

therefore, 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n

PS: The obelus can be interchanged with a divisional slash, but not as a Solidus. Check this out, forgot I had it:

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Obelus: The obelus is primarily used as a symbol for division
Slash: Used between numbers slash means division, and in this sense the symbol may be read aloud as "over".
Solidus: The solidus <snip due to html coding of symbols> or a shilling mark is a punctuation mark used to indicate fractions.
Now, the obelus and slash can be used interchangeably as long as the slash is interpreted as division NOT mistaken for a solidus.
In that regard 6÷2n = 6/2n, which MEANS 6/(2n). Let n = 2+1.
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01/17/2013 11:26 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
So how did it go?

The 9 way or 1.

Somebody has to put this to vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32487741


I was a prick and an adamant 9er... caper_26 turned me into a 1er...

I obviously need to brush up on basic mathematical properties...
Anonymous Coward
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01/17/2013 11:27 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Holy Shit!!

126 pages for a math problem???

What the hell???

Who gives that much of a shit??

It's 1.
Syrius (OP)

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01/17/2013 11:29 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Did anyone else catch the bold part in the OP?
All around me are familiar faces... Worn out places...Worn out faces...
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
I understand, but the original equation was written with an obelus, NOT a solidus...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


But the identity law doesn't change, and is used the same way.


a ÷ a = 1 (There is still a 1 in front of both a's)
1a ÷ 1a = 1 (not 1*a÷1*a)

therefore, 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n

PS: The obelus can be interchanged with a divisional slash, but not as a Solidus. Check this out, forgot I had it:

===================================

Obelus: The obelus is primarily used as a symbol for division
Slash: Used between numbers slash means division, and in this sense the symbol may be read aloud as "over".
Solidus: The solidus <snip due to html coding of symbols> or a shilling mark is a punctuation mark used to indicate fractions.
Now, the obelus and slash can be used interchangeably as long as the slash is interpreted as division NOT mistaken for a solidus.
In that regard 6÷2n = 6/2n, which MEANS 6/(2n). Let n = 2+1.
 Quoting: caper_26

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


Thank you very very much.

And wow, I was even thinking a solidus WAS the same as a slash...
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01/17/2013 11:32 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Holy Shit!!

126 pages for a math problem???

What the hell???

Who gives that much of a shit??

It's 1.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18432713


I do...
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Did anyone else catch the bold part in the OP?
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Obviously, I thought you were wrong. I read your posts up until page like 30 I think and I saw no proof.
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Gotta run dude, work in the a.m.

Here is another problem that tried to depict the problem in real world: you may agree or disagree with. Keep in mind, the units are "units squared" as we are dealing with area, so the units when the computation is done, must make sense:

[link to i45.tinypic.com]

Talk to you later man.

dasbier
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
So how did it go?

The 9 way or 1.

Somebody has to put this to vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32487741


I was a prick and an adamant 9er... caper_26 turned me into a 1er...

I obviously need to brush up on basic mathematical properties...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


Funny, i was a 1'ner turned 9.
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01/17/2013 11:36 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
So how did it go?

The 9 way or 1.

Somebody has to put this to vote.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32487741


I was a prick and an adamant 9er... caper_26 turned me into a 1er...

I obviously need to brush up on basic mathematical properties...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


Funny, i was a 1'ner turned 9.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32487741


read the Canadian 32057798... he is right.

If you were recently converted to a 9er (within the past 3 days), it may have been I who converted you, and I mistakenly did so.

The Canadian is right...
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Gotta run dude, work in the a.m.

Here is another problem that tried to depict the problem in real world: you may agree or disagree with. Keep in mind, the units are "units squared" as we are dealing with area, so the units when the computation is done, must make sense:

[link to i45.tinypic.com]

Talk to you later man.

dasbier
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32057798


I saw you post this earlier and I ignored it like a true ass...

thanks again, talk to you later.
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Did anyone else catch the bold part in the OP?
 Quoting: Syrius


Nice to meet you OP! Yes, I caught that on my first visit, lol. Cheers!
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
The solution to the orignal question is easy and straighforward using basic rules established for solving such equations. When numbers are enclosed in parenthesis, this is the mathematical equivelevnt of saying the operation the the parentheseis must first be solved bfor one can continue. The result , since it is in parenthesis, must be multiplied by whatever modifier comes before or after it. using these basic rules the equation is solved as follows:

6/2(1+2)=X
6/2(3)=X
3(3)=9
X=9

Anyone who argues against this being the correct answer is simply an idiot. This is 5th or 6th grade stuff.
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01/17/2013 11:46 PM
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
it could also be 1
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There is NO POSSIBLE CORRECT ANSWER BESIDES 9
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
[link to www.basic-mathematics.com]

Copy and paste it into this math solver webpage.
See what the computer tells you the answer is.

6÷2(1+2)=y

You could sub all of these for variables:
6÷2*(1+2)=y

You always do bracket first (that IS the rules).
Thus it becomes:
6÷2*(3)=y
6÷2*3=y

I think we can all agree on that.

OK.............


Now let's sub these with some variables:
6÷2*3=y

n will now mean 3:
6÷2*n=y

Which becomes:
6÷2n=y

Let's rearrange to put all variable on one side.
6=2ny

Now let's solve for ny
6÷2=ny
3=ny

Now let's swap n back with a 3.
3=3y

Now let's solve for y.
3=3y
3÷3=y
1=y

I still get my same answer (because I followed the proper math-rules).
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You're fucking idiot because there are no variables in the equation. Please stay in canada, we already have our share of retards
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Is it snix or sneven ? Or kruppygalushpa?
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Talked to my friend... Apparently left to right is NOT part of the order of operations.... apparently you do not have to work left to right, as it should not matter... he also said the answer is 1...

I found this as well... this guy is not my friend.
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Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
And the only way to removing parentheses (on green block), is to resolve the whole block first itself:


6/2(1+2) = x

you can't remove it just after resolving the inside stuff only. That's the bottom line of all.

Or are you thinking parentheses are there just for stupid design purpose thing or something?

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 Quoting: DUCM900


6/2(1+2) = x --or-->> 6/((2)¹+(2)²) = x --or-->> 6/((2)¹+(2)¹+(2)¹) = x



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