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caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because the equation is 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 3/(2+1) = 1 THAT's how. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n. Ask your stupid wolfram if that is true. n = 2+1 Wolfram, and everyone other calculator doesn't know how to substitute variables with values. It knows 2n/2n = 1 6/2n = 3/n But when you try and fill a value in, it throws up. Therefore, if you can't do algebra, let wolfram do it for you, then when it simplifies the equation for your dumbass, fill in 2+1. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n n = 2+1 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 1 "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32762094 Finland 01/21/2013 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because the equation is 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 3/(2+1) = 1 THAT's how. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n. Ask your stupid wolfram if that is true. n = 2+1 Wolfram, and everyone other calculator doesn't know how to substitute variables with values. It knows 2n/2n = 1 6/2n = 3/n But when you try and fill a value in, it throws up. Therefore, if you can't do algebra, let wolfram do it for you, then when it simplifies the equation for your dumbass, fill in 2+1. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n n = 2+1 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 1 This: 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 3/(2+1) is just plain wrong. you don't get an extra division just because you want to, okay. right way: 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 3(2+1) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20053617 United States 01/21/2013 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 0_o what is happening to you people that you can't figure out the simple rule of PEDMAS? First we work parentheses: 6÷2(3) The only reason the parenthesis stays is so that we know we have a multiplicative relationship between 2 and 3, otherwise it would have been removed. To continue on, we then move on to multiplication/division. Since we have division first from left to right, we work it out first: 3(3) then work this out and the answer is 9. 9 is the answer. |
caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is just plain wrong. you don't get an extra division just because you want to, okay. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32762094 FAIL. You ignored the proof. You ALL ignore what proves you wrong. You ALL fail to address every law that shows it is 1. "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Distributive Property: Quoting: The Internet"We use the distributive property to help us find a way around the order of operations while still being sure that we keep the value of the expression." [link to en.wikibooks.org] Distribute BEFORE "pedmas" to REMOVE parentheses [link to www.algebra.com] Get Rid of parentheses with Distribution: [link to www.helpalgebra.com] "When simplifying expressions with parentheses, you will be applying the Distributive Property." -purplemath The Distributive Property in ALgebra: The Distributive Property is handy to help you get rid of parentheses. a(b + c) = ab + ac [link to math.about.com] These guys got it right, they use "Parentheses" in the order of operations to require Distributive Property. Ref: Purplemath [link to www.purplemath.com] Example of parentheses: [link to www.purplemath.com] "Whatever is enclosed in parentheses must be simplified first, or if not, it must interact as a quantity with anything outside. This means any operation on the quantity in parentheses must be applied to all of its parts. The most common and important example is called the distributive property." -holytutoring [link to www.hoyletutoring.com] If there is some factor multiplying the parentheses, then the only way to get rid of the parentheses is to multiply using the distributive law. [link to www.jamesbrennan.org] Distributive property CAN be used with numbers.: [link to louisacounty.va.schoolwebpages.com] Distribution Picture: [link to www.shmoop.com] "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
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caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NO. You absolutely REQUIRE ( ) around the 6 ÷ 2. Derivation: 6 + 3 = 9 Now factor out 6/2: (6/2)2 + (6/2)1 = 9 (6/2)(2+1) = 9 (6 ÷ 2)(2 + 1) = 9 Fractional Coefficients require parentheses if they use a '/' "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32614604 Australia 01/21/2013 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NO. You absolutely REQUIRE ( ) around the 6 ÷ 2. Derivation: 6 + 3 = 9 Now factor out 6/2: (6/2)2 + (6/2)1 = 9 (6/2)(2+1) = 9 (6 ÷ 2)(2 + 1) = 9 Fractional Coefficients require parentheses if they use a '/' no they don't, / is the same as divide symbol. so for mutiply and divide, you go left to right. 6/2 * (1+2) could be written as: a * b where: a = 6/2 b = (1+2) the bizarre bit is that some people would rather write it as a/b for some reason. it is clearly multiplication, not division. |
caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no they don't, / is the same as divide symbol. so for mutiply and divide, you go left to right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32614604 6/2 * (1+2) could be written as: a * b where: a = 6/2 b = (1+2) the bizarre bit is that some people would rather write it as a/b for some reason. it is clearly multiplication, not division. I bolded your equation above. It is = 9. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n 6 ÷ 2 * n = 3n If you don't understand this, say so. Don't say it isn't, because your word doesn't change the laws of math. "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
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DUCM900 User ID: 32755121 Italy 01/21/2013 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we follow some basic logic its 1 for sure. BTW as I told before, scientific calculators do the job well and you can verify yourself if you have one, the other ones not. However there must be a mess in a certain models some years ago, probably they messed up with some chips with other ones in some models: look for example at this >>>>> [link to s20.postimage.org] . |
Anubis User ID: 25735337 Canada 01/21/2013 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 6÷2(1+2) = 6/2(3) <- at this stage the parenthesis represent multiplication, not order of ops = 3(3) = 9 why is this thread just south of 140 pages?? Last Edited by Anubis on 01/21/2013 09:47 PM |
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caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been quoting the laws of math since the beginning !! Nothing I said was from my ass! I am simply quoting math laws, principles, notation, etc... ONE MORE TIME: a ÷ a = 1 Any variable with no coefficient, has a 1. THEREFORE: a ÷ a = a ÷ 1a = 1 a ÷ a = a ÷ (1a) = 1 Fractional Coefficients REQUIRE ( ) if they use a SLASH instead of a horizontal line, EG: (6/2)n = 3n 6/2n = 3/n for the same reason that a/1a = 1 (6/2)(2+1) = 9 6/2(2+1) = 1 6(2+1)/2 = 9 6/(2+1)2 = 1 Here is how an OBELUS works: Obelus: The obelus is primarily used as a symbol for division Slash: Used between numbers slash means division, and in this sense the symbol may be read aloud as "over". Solidus: The solidus is a punctuation mark used to indicate fractions. Now, the obelus and slash can be used interchangeably as long as the slash is interpreted as division NOT mistaken for a solidus. [link to www.freeimagehosting.net] Here is a real world example of the equation at hand: [link to i45.tinypic.com] "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
caper_26 User ID: 32057798 Canada 01/21/2013 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A pair, is 2. A pair of anything, is 2 of them. Yes, it can be evaluated as 2 * x, but the value must remain so the meaning is different. Quoting: caper_26 Situation: You have apples to divide among people. You have 6 apples. A family (f) is 2 adults and 1 child, so f = 2+1 6 apples divided by a pair of families (where there are 3 in a family). f is a family of 3, so f = 3 6 ÷ 2f = 6 ÷ 2(3) = 1 6 ÷ 2(2+1) = 1 "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31557420 United States 01/21/2013 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Technically no, but it gives young students a sense of order. Adding and multiplying is associative, so it doesn't matter what order you them in. Subtracting and division are the same as adding and multiplying. It is knowing things like this, as well as other details of maths, that allow you to see that this equation is solved as 1. [link to math.berkeley.edu] Read that. It is important to note that this stipulation about \from left to right"is entirely extraneous, because the associative laws of addition and multiplication ensure that it makes no dierence whatsoever in what order the additions or multiplications are carried out. Quoting: Brekeley.eduif it makes no difference whatsoever in what order the operations are carried out, then WHY are some people saying "1" and some people saying "9"? The order of operations matter. What doesn't matter is working left from right. Say you have worked out the multiplication already, now you are left with a bunch of addition and subtraction, it doesn't matter what order you do it in, the answer will be the same. Hence, working left to right is not part of any rules in mathematics. Although, yes, we do teach kids to do math from left to right. That is why so many of us thought it was a rule. But the fact is, that doesn't even matter in this problem, because it never should. Even if you work the problem left to right, you still get the answer as 1. And I used to seriously, firmly, and adamantly believe the answer was 9. |
Anubis User ID: 25735337 Canada 01/21/2013 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i went through it again and i actually now come up with 1. Quoting: Anubis Order of operations: Brackets Exponents Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction 6÷2(1+2) = = 6÷2(3) = 3(3) = 1 i respectfully retract my previous answer of 9 i was doing M before D :s 1 = Correct BUT IT's not for that reason. . dammit im confused Last Edited by Anubis on 01/21/2013 10:17 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31557420 United States 01/21/2013 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no they don't, / is the same as divide symbol. so for mutiply and divide, you go left to right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32614604 6/2 * (1+2) could be written as: a * b where: a = 6/2 b = (1+2) the bizarre bit is that some people would rather write it as a/b for some reason. it is clearly multiplication, not division. I bolded your equation above. It is = 9. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n 6 ÷ 2 * n = 3n If you don't understand this, say so. Don't say it isn't, because your word doesn't change the laws of math. Yea I don't understand "6 ÷ 2 * n = 3n" The only way I figure that to equal 3n is if it is this (6 ÷ 2) * n = 3n |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31557420 United States 01/21/2013 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are dead wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32762094 6÷2(1+2)= 3(3)= 9 It's actually there in your link. What a dumbass you are. Get a life >>>> [link to i1249.photobucket.com] and a scientific calculator as well... . you and you're casio are doing it wrong. [link to www.wolframalpha.com] The input is wrong. The (1+2) belongs in the divisor/denominator. That is where the obelus puts it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9839140 United States 01/21/2013 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no they don't, / is the same as divide symbol. so for mutiply and divide, you go left to right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32614604 6/2 * (1+2) could be written as: a * b where: a = 6/2 b = (1+2) the bizarre bit is that some people would rather write it as a/b for some reason. it is clearly multiplication, not division. I bolded your equation above. It is = 9. 6 ÷ 2n = 3/n 6 ÷ 2 * n = 3n If you don't understand this, say so. Don't say it isn't, because your word doesn't change the laws of math. Ur dumb. Does not follow PEMDAS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31557420 United States 01/21/2013 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The point of PEMDAS is the multiplication 'm' is before division 'd' not left to right you fucking dumbass piece of cunt licking butt sucking shit. FUCKING PEMDAS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9839140 P E M D A S FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty sure multiplication and division are of equal value and it doesn't matter which you do first... but I have been wrong before so I could be wrong here. Doing multiplication first probably does serve you well though or else you could end up in a bind like with this problem if you treat obelusi and divisional slashes as a solidus like I was doing here.... |