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Our Spiritual Declaration: Confucius and Confucianism

Chapter 24: Confucius and Confucianism


1. Confucius was born in northern China around 550 BC and is popular for promoting ethics in Asia. Below are teachings of Confucius followed by commentary.

2. "To govern means to rectify. If you lead the people with correctness, who will dare not to be correct?"

3. Confucius emphasized leading by example. The state of a society, in part, reflects what that society's government holds most important and reflects the effectiveness of that government.

4. "Chi K'ang asked Confucius about government, saying, 'What do you say to killing the unprincipled for the good of the principled?' Confucius replied, 'Sir, in carrying on your government, why should you use killing at all? Let your evinced desires be for what is good, and the people will be good. The relation between superiors and inferiors is like that between the wind and the grass. The grass must bend, when the wind blows across it.'"

5. The tone set by a leader has an effect on those under authority.

6. "Someone said, 'What do you say concerning the principal that injury should be recompensed with kindness?' The Master said, 'With what then will you recompense kindness? Recompense injury with justice, and recompense kindness with kindness.'"

7. Rewarding injury with kindness promotes evil, diminishes the power of kindness, and instills no thought to consequences.

8. "If a man takes no thought about what is distant, he will find sorrow near at hand."

9. We must apply imaginative forethought to our actions.

10. "When a man is not in the habit of saying - 'What shall I think of this? What shall I think of this?' I can indeed do nothing with him."

11. All good begins with knowledge, and evil arises from lacking knowledge. Knowing comes from questioning.

12. "The way of the superior man is threefold, but I am not equal to it. Virtuous, he is free from anxieties; wise, he is free from perplexities; bold, he is free from fear."

13. Anxiety, ignorance, and fear are the most widespread distractions from development. Anxiety and fear accomplish nothing but defeat. If a problem is solvable, then there's no need to worry. If a problem is unsolvable, no amount of worry will solve it. Realize the difference between worry and thought. Using anxiety's energy to learn and realize a solution wipes away the three great distractions.

14. "To lead an uninstructed people to war, is to throw them away."

15. Here underscores another example that knowledge conquers all.

16. "Hsien asked what is shameful. The Master said, 'When a good government prevails in a state, to be thinking only of salary; and, when bad government prevails, to be thinking, in the same way, only of salary - this is shameful.'"

17. Viewing wealth as an end rather than a mean leads to corruption. Confucius was adamantly against self-interest and corruption in government, which always trickles down into all parts of society.

18. "Can there be love which does not lead to strictness with its object? Can there be loyalty which does not lead to the instruction of its object?"

19. Love and loyalty brings leniency and freedom to mind, but remember all things have dual natures.

20. "The sage and the man of perfect virtue - how dare I rank myself with them? It may simply be said of me, that I strive to become such without satiety, and teach others without weariness."

21. Confucius was humble and shunned being the object of worship.

22. "Learn as if you could not reach your object, and were always fearing lest you should lose it."

23. Learning never stops with age.

24. "I would not have him to act with me, who will unarmed attack a tiger, or cross a river without a boat, dying without any regret. My associate must be the man who proceeds to action full of solicitude, who is fond of adjusting his plans, and then carries them into execution."

25. Think before acting, but always be flexible in thought.

26. "When fasting, he (Confucius) thought it necessary to have his clothes brightly clean and made of linen cloth."

27. Upkeep during a fast parallels a teaching of Jesus: "Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily, I say unto you, they have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; that thou may appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly." -Matthew 6:16-18 Performing good deeds in secret is the most divine act.

28. "If, because a man's discourse appears solid and sincere, we allow him to be a good man, is he really a superior man? Or is his gravity only in appearance?"

29. Judging others by substance rather than appearance is difficult yet necessary to end suffering. Appearance is the main trait humans toward which humans will show bias.

30. "The man of perfect virtue is cautious and slow in his speech."

31. An effective genius is able to relate an idea to the widest audience.

32. "Tsze-kung asked about government. The Master said, 'The requisites of government are that there be sufficiency of food, sufficiency of military equipment, and the confidence of the people in their ruler.' Tsze-kung said, 'If it cannot be helped, and one of these must be dispensed with, which of the three should be foregone first?' 'The military equipment,' said the Master. Tsze-kung again asked, 'If it cannot be helped, and one of the remaining two must be dispensed with, which of them should be foregone?' Master answered, 'Part with the food. From of old, has been the lot of men; but if the people have no faith in their rulers, there is no standing for the state.'"

33. All things begin and end with faith.

34. "Tsze-kung asked about government. The Master said, 'The art of governing is to keep its affairs before the mind without weariness, and to practice them with undeviating consistency.'"

35. Dalai Lama compared the mind to a mirror for the world's problems. We reflect problems in the mirror to better examine them, yet the problems' weight doesn't carry over to our mirror (mind).

36. "The superior man does not promote a man simply on account of his words, nor does he put aside good words because of the man."

37. Separate art from the artist and words from the speaker. Wise words are often lost due to the speaker's reputation.

38. "Tsze-kung asked, 'Is there were one word which may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?' The Master said, 'Is not shu (reciprocity) such a word? What you do not want done to yourself, do not to others.'"

39. In this Confucius laid down the Golden Rule, warning against using our free will to hamper another's ability to exercise free will.

40. "Tsze-chang then asked, 'What are meant by the four bad things?' The Master said, 'To put the people to death without having instructed them - that is called cruelty. To require from them, suddenly, the full tale of work, without having given warning - this is called oppression. To issue orders as if without urgency, at first, and, when the time comes, to insist on them with severity - this is called injury. And, generally, in the giving pay or rewards to men, to do it in a stingy way - this is called acting the part of a mere official.'"

41. "To be fond of learning is to be near knowledge. To practice with vigor is to be near magnanimity. To possess the feeling of shame is to be near to energy."

42. "The strength of a nation derives from the integrity of the home."

43. Family is the only natural institution. All other institutions are human's design and rely upon the strength of the family.

44. "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance."

45. "Learning without thought is labor lost."
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If you're wondering what suddenly happened in Egypt - Chinese & Russian elites have interfered w/ Globalist elite plans for the Middle East. Remember I said the Arab Spring was a method for Globalists to install radicalized govs to later attack Israel and start WW3. The Chineses & Russians have started undoing what Globalists did by ousting the radicals in Egypt to install a moderate. Chinese & Russians also prevented plans to install radicalized govs in Syria and Iran. In Syria they used force but w/ Iran a threat was made of a joint Russian/Chinese indirect attack (by supplying nukes and advanced weapons) on any invading forces in Iran, and China threatened economic warfare if Iran was invaded.

Now Globalists will have to make more deals w/ China. I'm not sure what this would be. Previously the concessions came as moving more jobs from America to China. USA has no more jobs w/ which to bargain. China will prob be granted access to natural resources of any invaded land. This was the deal made for Chinese approval of invasion into Afghanistan and Iraq. The major deal China made trillions on was the agreement struck for the fall of Communism in eastern Europe and Soviet Union. China didn't want to see communist rule cut in half across the world but esp didn't want an unstable Soviet Union on their border. The West, esp America, made a deal to move millions of jobs to China in exchange for Chinese to allow Soviet Union's fall. Nobody questioned why China sat back and watched communist nation after nation fall, but that's the reason.
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This makes a lot of sense. I often wondered about it myself. The real deal.
They weren't exactly shaking their fists about the recent Korean crisis either.
The trick is, there's an unwanted side-effect: those fallen-apart "Communist" states are rapidly approaching the level of life in China, instead of the West where they were hoping to arrive. Hungary's wages are only double of China's these days. But we don't have the ideology of Confucianism. There fore it is dangerous. Russia especially. There are angry crowds controlled by mafiosi. They could be like Germany in the thirties: feeling duped.
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Because elites like to make money. Given the choice b/t wholesome Brady Bunch & Little House on the Prairie or something filled w/ sex & violence, the unwholesome entertainment makes more money. That's human's animal nature. Sex, drugs, that side of life is a control lever for society. They are methods to keep ppl distracted. This doesn't mean it's a correct way to live, but they're simply control mechanisms.

Then why are "elites" passively forcing everyone to kill their lives in the beginning by thinking about sex all the time when you advocate the side of this not being a right way to live your life? How does it help?

Whenever there will be the point when people will learn something new you will do your usual thing of whiping out the intelligence of the country and revriting the history, which will persuade them that they all came from monkeys again and they will degrade even further.
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Ok, so let me draw the image you've created in my head.

Elites are pushing people to do distructive things for control.
You are saying that elites are doing it "for the greater good".
Greater good is impossible to coexist with the control of world government. The control over people defeats your "greater good" purpose. A so called, double standards.

Here's another version: you are trying to hide the knowledge by filling it with 99% of b/s, because if people would know everything elites are doing, you wouldn't survive a day.

Simple attempt to stop the law of time and maintain your satainc mass-elitest pyramid system. The reason for the reduction of world population - it's hard to control everyone and knowledge breaks loose. For instance, did "you" gave North Korea the tutorial on how to make a nuclear bomb?
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I am just reading through the new material. I am amazed at Christopher's description of sex and loving, it concurs with my experience from a spiritual perspective.

It is a very succinct summary worthy of a "new religion." And it is radically different from what most popular psychology suggests these days, but C. G. Jung would certainly approve of it.

Another thing that is not in the standard books is the wrath of Yaldabaoth on the Jewish people who escaped his tricks when moving out of Egypt.
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I tell you the truth when the body comes together and is lead by our Lord Jesus Christ we shall overcome this world and deliver it up unto God that he may find us pure again.
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Our Spiritual Declaration: The Art of War

Chapter 25: The Art of War


1. War is the last resort in disagreements. A just nation or person must never strike first. As the sun will rise tomorrow, evil will seek to destroy what is good. Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” is a simple, basic guide for warfare. The following is critical advice from “The Art of War”.

2. “The art of war is governed by five constant factors: moral law, heaven, earth, the commander, method and discipline. Moral law causes people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger. Heaven signifies night and day, cold and heat, times and seasons. Earth comprises distances, great and small, danger and security, open ground and narrow passes, the chances of life and . The commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerity, benevolence, courage, and strictness. Method and discipline is marshalling the army into proper subdivisions, graduations of rank among officers, maintenance of roads so supplies reach the army, and control of military spending.”

3. “With seven factors I can forecast victory or defeat. Which of the two sovereigns possess the moral law? Which of the two generals has the most ability? With whom lie the advantages of heaven and earth? On which side is discipline most rigorously enforced? Which army is stronger? On which side are officers and men more highly trained? In which army is there greater consistency in reward and punishment?”

4. “All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, seem unable. When using forces, we must seem inactive. When we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far.”

5. “There is no instance of a country benefiting from prolonged warfare.”

6. “In war let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.”

7. “The captured soldiers should be kindly treated and kept.” Kindly treating prisoners of war destroys the evil image enemy propaganda paints.

8. “In the practical art of war, the best thing is taking the enemy’s country whole and intact, not to shatter and destroy it. It is better to capture an army than to destroy it, to capture a regiment, a detachment, a company than to destroy it. Hence, to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme intelligence; supreme intelligence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.” In Operation Desert Storm, American planes heavily bombed the Iraqis, took aerial photos of the destruction, and dropped copies of the pictures on the enemy. Many Iraqi soldiers surrendered when seeing what they were up against. This psychological tactic saved many lives.

9. “It is the rule of war: if our forces are ten to the enemy’s one, to surround him; if five to one, to attack him; if twice as numerous, to divide our army into two; if equally matched, we can offer battle; if slightly inferiors in numbers, we can avoid the enemy; if quite unequal in every way, we can flee from him.”

10. “There are three ways a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army. By commanding the army to advance or retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey, this is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army the same way he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions in an army, this causes restlessness in the soldier’s mind. By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principal of adaptation to circumstances, this shakes the confidence of the soldiers.” Hitler made many mistakes listed. He staged a lengthy war, ruled his army like his country, and caused destruction. This resulted in Germany’s social, economic, political, historical, and intellectual ruin.

11. “Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted.” Germany drove deep into Russia, reaching Stalingrad, but crossing the massive area took its toll on German troops, who would lose over three hundred thousand men in the Battle of Stalingrad.

12. “We can form a single united body, while the enemy must split into factions. Hence there will be a whole pitted against separate parts of a whole, making us many to the enemy’s few.”

13. “Rouse him, and learn the principals of his activity or inactivity. Force him to reveal himself, so as to find his vulnerable spots.”

14. “Military tactics are like water; for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downwards. So in war the way is to avoid what is strong and strike at what is weak.”

15. “We are not fit to lead an army on the march unless we are familiar with the face of the country – its mountains and forests, its pitfalls and precipices, its marshes and swamps. We shall be unable to use the environment as an advantage unless we make use of local guides.”

16. “Now a soldier’s spirit is keenest in the morning; by noonday it has begun to flag; and in the evening his mind is bent only on returning to camp. A clever general avoids an army when its spirit is keen, but attacks it when it is sluggish and inclined to return. This is the art of studying moods.”

17. “It is a military axiom not to advance uphill against the enemy, nor to oppose him when he comes downhill.”

18. “Do not swallow bait offered by the enemy. Do not interfere with an army that is returning home.”

19. “When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.”

20. “There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor, which is sensitive to shame; over concern for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble.”

21. “Camp in high places, facing the sun. Do not climb heights in order to fight.”

22. “After crossing a river, get far away from it. When an invading force marches across a river, do not advance to meet it in mid-stream. It will be best to let half the army cross, and then deliver your attack.”

23. “If forced to fight in a salt marsh, you should have water and grass near you, and get your back to a clump of trees. In dry, level country, take up an easily accessible position with rising ground to your right and rear so the danger may be in front and safety lie behind. If you are careful of your men and camp on hard ground, the army will be free from disease of every kind, and this will spell victory.”

24. “If his place of encampment is of easy access, he is tendering a bait.”

25. “The rising of birds in their flight is the sign of an ambush. Startled beasts indicate a sudden attack is coming.”

26. “When some are seen advancing and some retreating, it is a lure. If those who are sent to draw water begin by drinking themselves, the army is suffering from thirst. If birds gather on any spot, it is unoccupied. Clamor by night betokens nervousness.”

27. “We may distinguish six kinds of terrain: accessible ground, entangling ground, temporizing ground, narrow passes, precipitous heights, and positions at a great distance from the enemy.”

28. “Ground which can be freely traversed by both sides is called accessible. With regard to this ground, be before the enemy in occupying sunny spots, and carefully guard your line of supplies.”

29. “Ground which can be abandoned but is hard to reoccupy is called entangling. For this ground if the enemy is unprepared you may go forth and defeat him. But if the enemy is prepared for your coming, and you fail to defeat him, then, return being impossible, disaster will ensue.”

30. “When the position is such that neither side will gain by making the first move, it is called temporizing ground. In this position even though the enemy should offer us an attractive bait, it will be advisable not to stir forth, but rather to retreat, thus enticing the enemy in his turn; then, when part of his army has come out, we may deliver our attack with advantage.”

31. “With regard to narrow passes, if you can occupy them first, let them be strongly garrisoned and await the advent of the enemy.”

32. “With regard to precipitous heights, if you are beforehand with your adversary, you should occupy the raised and sunny spots, and there wait for him to come up. If the enemy has occupied them before you, do not follow him, but retreat and try to entice him away.”

33. “If you are situated at a great distance from the enemy, and the strength of the two armies is equal, it is not easy to provoke a battle, and fighting will be to your disadvantage.”

34. “An army is exposed to six calamities, not arising from natural causes, but from faults for which the general is responsible. These are flight, insubordination, collapse, ruin, disorganization, and rout.”

35. “When the common soldiers are too strong and their officers too weak, the result is insubordination. When the officers are too strong and the common soldiers too weak, the result is collapse. When the higher officers are angry and insubordinate and the enemy gives battle, before the commander-in-chief can determine if he is in a position to fight, the result is ruin. When the general is weak and without authority; when his orders are not clear and distinct; when there are no fixed duties assigned to officers and men; and the ranks are formed in a slovenly manner, the result is utter disorganization. When a general is unable to estimate the enemy’s strength, allows an inferior force to engage a larger one, or hurls a weak detachment against a powerful one and neglects to place picked soldiers in the front rank, the result is rout.”

36. “The art of war recognizes nine varieties of ground: dispersive ground, facile ground, contentious ground, open ground, ground of intersecting highways, serious ground, difficult ground, hemmed-in ground, and desperate ground.”

37. “When a chieftain is fighting in his own territory, it is dispersive ground. On dispersive ground I would inspire my men with unity of purpose.”

38. “When he has penetrated into hostile territory, but to no great distance, it is facile ground. On facile ground halt not, and see that there is close connection between all parts of the army.”

39. “Ground, the possession of which imports great advantage to either side, is contentious ground. On this ground attack not and hurry up the rear.”

40. “Ground on which each side has liberty of movement is open ground. On this ground do not try to block the enemy’s way, and keep a vigilant eye on defenses.”

41. “Ground which forms the key to three contiguous states, so that he who occupies it first has most of the empire at his command, is a ground of intersecting highways. On this ground I would consolidate my alliances.”

42. “When an army has penetrated into the heart of a hostile country, leaving a number of fortified cities in its rear, it is serious ground. On this ground gather plunder, and ensure a continuous stream of supplies.”

43. “Mountain forests, rugged steeps, marshes, and fens – all country that is hard to traverse: this is difficult ground. On this ground keep steady to the march and keep pushing along the road.”

44. “Ground which is reached through narrow gorges, and from which we can only retire by tortuous paths, so that a small number of the enemy would suffice to crush a large body of our men: this is hemmed in ground. On this ground resort to strategy, and block any way of retreat.”

45. “Ground, on which we can only be saved from destruction by fighting without delay, is desperate ground. On this ground fight and proclaim to your soldiers the hopelessness of saving their lives. For it is the soldier’s disposition to offer an obstinate resistance when surrounded, to fight hard when he cannot help himself, and to obey promptly when he has fallen into danger.”

46. “Skillful leaders know how to drive a wedge between the enemy’s front and rear; to prevent cooperation between his large and small divisions; to hinder the good troops from rescuing the bad; the officers from rallying their men.”

47. “There are five ways of attacking with fire: to burn soldiers in their camp, to burn stores, to burn supply trains, to burn arsenals, and to hurl dropping fire against the enemy. The materials for raising fire should always be kept in readiness. In attacking with fire, be ready for five scenarios: when a fire breaks out in an enemy’s camp, respond at once with an attack outside the camp; if there is an outbreak of fire, but the enemy remains quiet, bide your time and do not attack; when the force of the flames has reached its height, follow it up with an attack if practicable; if you can attack with fire from outside the enemy camp then do so and not wait for it to break out within; when you start a fire, be windward of it.”

48. “None should be more generously rewarded than spies. The five types of spies: local spies (inhabitants of a district), inward spies (officials of the enemy), converted spies (getting hold of enemy spies and using them for our purposes), doomed spies (spies we report to the enemy), and surviving spies (spies who bring back news from the enemy’s camp). If a secret piece of news is divulged by a spy before the time is ripe, he must be put to death.”

49. Never be the aggressor. Use war when all other options to subvert have been used. “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She well knows that by enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom.” –John Quincy Adams
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There will be a chapter, maybe even two, on Jesus; because he's the most influential figure in history. I'm only in the 600BCs right now though so he'll have to come later.

Jesus didn't conquer Satan or evil at all though. Neither did "God" - even tho it was the false god, Yaldabaoth, in the book of Job. Remember when god said (I'm paraphrasing) to Satan 'where have you been?' and Satan said 'walking to and fro on the earth but where have YOU been?' In other words Satan's working was clear everywhere but where was god in all this? Either way that was the false god in Job. It should have been a big red flag to ppl their god would torture his most ardent worshiper just to prove a trivial point - that Job would continue to worship. Worship me, worship me, worship me is all the false god who appears in half the Old Testament demands. Wouldn't a just, true God not care for something petty as worship? Wouldn't a just, true God just want ppl to be good ppl?

Thanks. I'm trying to do the Spiritual Declaration in a general chronological order so alot of biblical things came up first, since the Bible is one of the oldest major religious issues. Old Testament isn't my fav thing to write about; because it's thin in morality applicable to modern times. As the chapters go on the theme will shift from religion, spirituality to philosophy since human history took that shift.

This thread has changed my worldview as much as anything else I've read, so all the more reason to question you ;) Keep the juicy readable chocolate coming
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And no mention. Of Christ the King and the one who conquered satan forever ?
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There will be a chapter, maybe even two, on Jesus; because he's the most influential figure in history. I'm only in the 600BCs right now though so he'll have to come later.

Jesus didn't conquer Satan or evil at all though. Neither did "God" - even tho it was the false god, Yaldabaoth, in the book of Job. Remember when god said (I'm paraphrasing) to Satan 'where have you been?' and Satan said 'walking to and fro on the earth but where have YOU been?' In other words Satan's working was clear everywhere but where was god in all this? Either way that was the false god in Job. It should have been a big red flag to ppl their god would torture his most ardent worshiper just to prove a trivial point - that Job would continue to worship. Worship me, worship me, worship me is all the false god who appears in half the Old Testament demands. Wouldn't a just, true God not care for something petty as worship? Wouldn't a just, true God just want ppl to be good ppl?

Thanks. I'm trying to do the Spiritual Declaration in a general chronological order so alot of biblical things came up first, since the Bible is one of the oldest major religious issues. Old Testament isn't my fav thing to write about; because it's thin in morality applicable to modern times. As the chapters go on the theme will shift from religion, spirituality to philosophy since human history took that shift.

This thread has changed my worldview as much as anything else I've read, so all the more reason to question you ;) Keep the juicy readable chocolate coming
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And no mention. Of Christ the King and the one who conquered satan forever ?
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Where do you get this declaration?
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I wrote it. It's a work in progress still. It'll take years to cover what I want.

Where do you get this declaration?
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Is the new religion/society going to have any psychedelic component? If it becomes standard practice to take ibogaine or something in early adulthood as a rite of passage, that would flush out a lot of stupidity/dickishness.
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Guy your statements are so flaw its making me sick!
F.Y.I. Jesus Christ entered this world a sinless birth lived a sinless life and Conquered sin by taking your sin, my sin, and the rest of mankinds sin to the cross and delivered that sin up to God and he crushed it this conquering satan.




There will be a chapter, maybe even two, on Jesus; because he's the most influential figure in history. I'm only in the 600BCs right now though so he'll have to come later.

Jesus didn't conquer Satan or evil at all though. Neither did "God" - even tho it was the false god, Yaldabaoth, in the book of Job. Remember when god said (I'm paraphrasing) to Satan 'where have you been?' and Satan said 'walking to and fro on the earth but where have YOU been?' In other words Satan's working was clear everywhere but where was god in all this? Either way that was the false god in Job. It should have been a big red flag to ppl their god would torture his most ardent worshiper just to prove a trivial point - that Job would continue to worship. Worship me, worship me, worship me is all the false god who appears in half the Old Testament demands. Wouldn't a just, true God not care for something petty as worship? Wouldn't a just, true God just want ppl to be good ppl?

Thanks. I'm trying to do the Spiritual Declaration in a general chronological order so alot of biblical things came up first, since the Bible is one of the oldest major religious issues. Old Testament isn't my fav thing to write about; because it's thin in morality applicable to modern times. As the chapters go on the theme will shift from religion, spirituality to philosophy since human history took that shift.

This thread has changed my worldview as much as anything else I've read, so all the more reason to question you ;) Keep the juicy readable chocolate coming
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And no mention. Of Christ the King and the one who conquered satan forever ?
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As much as anyone else "knows" anything for a fact. I'm unaware of much I pulled a copy and paste. Point it out please. I can deal w/ being called crazy or full or it but hate being called unoriginal. =P

For a short time, I'm back to answer questions you have. Bear in mind I can't answer certain questions such as naming names - those are instant red flags that will result in deletion of this thread.
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I think you're full of it. All you've done is copy and paste ramblings. Really, is there anything you know for a fact?
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No, it's a brief and sometimes original summary of practically all the religious and spiritual cultures of Planet Earth. The I Ching hexagrams have sometimes different keywords from standard texts. Another original part in recent postings by Darkness is the part of sex and loving.
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The part on Lust - p370 - made me rethink how I relate differently to the men and women I like in my thoughts and emotions (I am a hetero male).
I see women more from the outside, like facing me, whenever lust is an influence, and I see them more from the inside when emotions or spirituality are the main issues. I.e. visually, I can see the world from their perspective - to some extent.
I relate to the men I like on the basis of identity, i.e. visually it is as if they were parts of me or if I were part of them.
I relate to all old people and children as if I lived part of their experiences (from the inside).

Which explains why I usually have problematic relationships with my women partners...
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PEOPLE! Try this for fun. Ask "Christians" to name off 5 MIRACLES Jesus performed. Near 100% can. Then question their ability to name 5 points of his WISDOM, his teachings. About one-third utterly fail.

"Jesus died on the cross."
"Jesus was born from a virgin."
"Jesus turned water into wine."
"Jesus conquered Satan."

We hear this over and over and over. The miracles should have been excluded from the Bible. It would've weeded out the serious from silly. If you need a miracle to believe, then you'll be a great Antichrist fan. Wisdom, knowledge is more important than miracles. Starting w/ knowledge/wisdom humans can perform miracles. We can bring people back to life. We can cure disease. 3D printers can make food as Jesus did. Through knowledge/wisdom *WE* become the gods rather than the sheep and shepherds.

Guy your statements are so flaw its making me sick!
F.Y.I. Jesus Christ entered this world a sinless birth lived a sinless life and Conquered sin by taking your sin, my sin, and the rest of mankinds sin to the cross and delivered that sin up to God and he crushed it this conquering satan.
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To: The Darkness comes.

This is impressive work you are showing here.
I did not have a chance to look at the entire thread yet but thank you for your posts and I shall read some more soon.

I have a question for you and hope you may elaborate on it:

Does the Northern Star lie?

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His wisdom is prophecy, what he says will happen will happen. Nothing we will do will change that. The farther we go in seeking wisdom the farther we go away from our Father in heaven who will give us all that we need. What you say about us becoming the gods is rubbish I don't want to be a god. I want to serve God and God alone.

Worship the Creator not the creation.

PEOPLE! Try this for fun. Ask "Christians" to name off 5 MIRACLES Jesus performed. Near 100% can. Then question their ability to name 5 points of his WISDOM, his teachings. About one-third utterly fail.

"Jesus died on the cross."
"Jesus was born from a virgin."
"Jesus turned water into wine."
"Jesus conquered Satan."

We hear this over and over and over. The miracles should have been excluded from the Bible. It would've weeded out the serious from silly. If you need a miracle to believe, then you'll be a great Antichrist fan. Wisdom, knowledge is more important than miracles. Starting w/ knowledge/wisdom humans can perform miracles. We can bring people back to life. We can cure disease. 3D printers can make food as Jesus did. Through knowledge/wisdom *WE* become the gods rather than the sheep and shepherds.

Guy your statements are so flaw its making me sick!
F.Y.I. Jesus Christ entered this world a sinless birth lived a sinless life and Conquered sin by taking your sin, my sin, and the rest of mankinds sin to the cross and delivered that sin up to God and he crushed it this conquering satan.
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His wisdom is prophecy, what he says will happen will happen. Nothing we will do will change that. The farther we go in seeking wisdom the farther we go away from our Father in heaven who will give us all that we need. What you say about us becoming the gods is rubbish I don't want to be a god. I want to serve God and God alone.

Worship the Creator not the creation.

PEOPLE! Try this for fun. Ask "Christians" to name off 5 MIRACLES Jesus performed. Near 100% can. Then question their ability to name 5 points of his WISDOM, his teachings. About one-third utterly fail.

"Jesus died on the cross."
"Jesus was born from a virgin."
"Jesus turned water into wine."
"Jesus conquered Satan."

We hear this over and over and over. The miracles should have been excluded from the Bible. It would've weeded out the serious from silly. If you need a miracle to believe, then you'll be a great Antichrist fan. Wisdom, knowledge is more important than miracles. Starting w/ knowledge/wisdom humans can perform miracles. We can bring people back to life. We can cure disease. 3D printers can make food as Jesus did. Through knowledge/wisdom *WE* become the gods rather than the sheep and shepherds.

Guy your statements are so flaw its making me sick!
F.Y.I. Jesus Christ entered this world a sinless birth lived a sinless life and Conquered sin by taking your sin, my sin, and the rest of mankinds sin to the cross and delivered that sin up to God and he crushed it this conquering satan.
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Hello Sir, M'am,

I tend to disagree with that:
"The farther we go in seeking wisdom the farther we go away from our Father in heaven"

Passivity has never been good for anyone.
I would take the example about people hiding themselves behind terms such as "if god wants".

I believe that God will guide us on our journey to Wisdom and reveal his knowledge to whoever is willing to listen.

My opinion tho. :)

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Yea, but you can do all of that without technology.
Technological progress = spiritual regress.

PEOPLE! Try this for fun. Ask "Christians" to name off 5 MIRACLES Jesus performed. Near 100% can. Then question their ability to name 5 points of his WISDOM, his teachings. About one-third utterly fail.

"Jesus died on the cross."
"Jesus was born from a virgin."
"Jesus turned water into wine."
"Jesus conquered Satan."

We hear this over and over and over. The miracles should have been excluded from the Bible. It would've weeded out the serious from silly. If you need a miracle to believe, then you'll be a great Antichrist fan. Wisdom, knowledge is more important than miracles. Starting w/ knowledge/wisdom humans can perform miracles. We can bring people back to life. We can cure disease. 3D printers can make food as Jesus did. Through knowledge/wisdom *WE* become the gods rather than the sheep and shepherds.

Guy your statements are so flaw its making me sick!
F.Y.I. Jesus Christ entered this world a sinless birth lived a sinless life and Conquered sin by taking your sin, my sin, and the rest of mankinds sin to the cross and delivered that sin up to God and he crushed it this conquering satan.
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Let me recall what I learned from Jesus from my grandma:

Jesus said, "my kingdom is not of this world;"
He said, "love your enemies" (not because he was perverted, but to raise above the ordinary I versus you or us/them games); also "turn the other cheek" (which is a poor strategy for boxing but a good one for some people to realize that you can react to violence differently);
He said, "do not judge lest you should be judged" - which shows a psychedelic type of sensitivity;
He said, "the Shabbath is for men and not the other way around" (you can understand this to imply all religious rules...)
He said, when a serious disciple wanted to chase children away, that "you cannot enter the Kingdom of the Father" (i.e. God) "...unless you become as one of these" (innocent, playful, feeling etc.)

According to him, the true God is love. I don't know where he says this but he implies is all the time.

Later I found he said something like he did not come to bring peace and harmony but strife and discord. (Which is sort of Gnostic).


Well folks, I chose to look back in my memory and paraphrase - I deliberately did not look up New Testament quotes.

If I take all the above to be the essence of Christianity, then I count among Christians.

Now, if you add "God is love" to the statements that say that belief in him (as a person who points at selfless love and transcendence) can result in "salvation", plus that his "kingdom is not of this earth" you get a different result than standard eschatology.
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Our Spiritual Declaration: Feng Shui

Chapter 26: Feng Shui


General
1. Feng Shui is the art of arranging our surroundings to enhance aspects of life.

2. ‘Chi’ is a vital concept in Feng Shui. Chi is electromagnetic energy radiating from all things, comparable to ‘prana’ in India and the ‘spirit’ or ‘aura’ in Western cultures.

3. Electronics produce artificial chi, harmfully affecting people.

4. Messy rooms and dark corners produce slow-moving chi. Clean houses, long hallways, and straight paths produce quick-moving chi. Sharp corners cut chi in a negative manner.

5. We have personal chi, divided into seven ‘chakras’: crown (top of head); “third eye” (between and above the eyes); throat; heart; stomach (solar plexus); navel; and reproductive organs.

6. Yin and yang factor into feng shui. Yin (inward, receptive energy) is most active at midnight, mid-winter, and on new moons. Tall, thin, narrow buildings, like the United Nations HQ, are high in yin energy. Round, smooth shapes; blue, green, and grey are associated with yin. Yang (active energy) peaks during midday, mid-summer, and on full moons. Low, compact structures, like the Pentagon, are yang. Compact, straight, angular, circular shapes; red, yellow, orange, and bright colors are linked with yang energy.

7. Five elements relate to the sun’s movement - “tree energy” during the sun rising in the east; “fire energy” when the sun is highest; “soil energy”, a few hours before sunset; “metal energy”, during sunset in the west; and “water energy” from the north during night.

8. Eight directions with eight corresponding types of chi energies are a main component in feng shui.

9. North represents water, off-white, night, midwinter, isolation, spirituality, and inspiration.

10. Northeast corresponds to soil, mountain, brilliant white, early dawn, morning, transition of winter to spring, stubbornness, strength, and harshness.

11. East relates to tree, thunder, green, morning, sunrise, spring, ambition, and focused attitude.

12. Southeast connects with tree, wind, dark green, blue, mid-morning, transition of spring to summer, progress, and established attitude.

13. South symbolizes fire, purple, midday, midsummer, passion, and excitement.

14. Southwest denotes soil, earth, black, afternoon, transition of summer to autumn, nurturing, and supportiveness.

15. West refers to metal, lake, red, sunset, autumn, harvest, and contentment.

16. Northwest signifies metal, heaven, silver white, dusk, transition of autumn to winter, wisdom, leadership, and respect.

17. Apply feng shui by determining where magnetic north is in relation to your house, make a to-scale drawing of the floor plans, add to-scale drawings of all fixed and moveable items, find the center of every room, and mark off the eight directions on the floor plan.

Colors
18. The following colors correspond to mentioned colors: black and blue in northern areas; yellow, brown, earth colors for northeast; brown and green in east and southeast; red, purple, pink and orange for south; beige, light yellow, and earth colors in southwest; white, silver, gray, copper, and gold for west and northwest.

Living Room
19. Vertical patterns create an illusion of height. Patterned walls are good for pacifying moods. Allow sunshine in by opening curtains during the day, and if privacy is needed, then use thin curtains.

20. Tall plants enhance chi energy of a living room and round, short plants for a small room.

21. A fixed carpet is not recommended. Wood floors enhance tree chi energy in a living room.

22. Southeast is the ideal location for a living room. South, southwest, and west are good places.

23. Northern living rooms can be enhanced with blue, white, grey, black. Use yellow, brown, beige to calm northeast living rooms. The northwest can be boosted with grey, white, and metallic colors. East improves with green, black, blue. Southern living rooms promote social activity. Southwest is relaxed. West is pleasure-oriented.

24. The living room’s entrance must not face the back of a seat; because this causes one’s energy to bounce off the seat, and the person will feel an uncomfortable, nonsocial environment. Place seats facing together and toward the room’s center. Seats facing sharp corners cut energy. Cover sharp corners with the overdrapping of a plant or material.

25. Use shaded lighting. Bare light bulbs interfere with energy. Televisions also hinder energy and should not be faced directly toward a seating area. Candles in dark corners cut back on passive energy.

Dining Room
26. East is preferred for dining rooms and is complimented by green, black, and blue. West also works, and is set off by gray, white, yellow, purple, beige. Wood furniture performs best in the dining area. Wood or hard floors don’t stagnate energy as opposed to carpets.

27. Lights with a dimmer are perfect for dining areas. Window blinds allow better control of light and won’t slow energy like curtains.

28. For dinner plate, utensil, and accessory colors: white brings security and confidence, green for vitality, orange for romance and removing inhibitions and fostering new ideas, purple represents passion, blue for communication and calming, gray is formality, and black for security.

29. In considering a table’s shape, remember rounded shapes encourage passive energy and square shapes, sharp corners work for active energy.

Kitchen
30. Southeast and east are best for kitchens. Fresh foods and real flowers add to energy. Stainless steel encourages dynamic energy. Too many appliances sitting in view hinders energy.

31. In northern-facing kitchens use stainless steel and white, gray, blue, black; for south, red, green, brown; and for west, use gray, white, yellow, purple.

32. The stove should never be adjacent to the sink.

Bathroom
33. Bathrooms are best located in the east or southeast. Bathrooms should have windows to allow outdoor air to flow and decrease humidity. This room should have the most lighting. Blinds operate best here.

34. Use black, blue, green, purple for east, north, northeast bathrooms; red, orange, pink, white, gray for southeast; blue, yellow, beige, black for south; blue, green, brown, black for southwest; blue, yellow, red, orange for west and northwest bathrooms.

35. Ventilation is essential for bathrooms. Avoid bathrooms attached to a bedroom.

36. Plants absorb excess humidity and absorbs negative chi. Don’t over decorate a bathroom, as this dampens energy. In a small bathroom use mirrors to create the illusion of more space and speed up energy.

37. Place the toilet as far away from the door as possible. If the room is large enough, then conceal the toilet behind a half-way. Keep the lid closed as much as possible, and close the lid when flushing.

Work Space
38. An ovular or circular desk is better for working long hours. Glass may be fashionable, but woods (especially softwoods) are better. Never keep the desk cluttered, and have a plant on the desk.

Bedroom
39. North is ideal for bedrooms.

40. Avoid spiky plants, sharp corners, glass, and metal in the bedroom. Especially avoid mirrors in the bedroom, as mirrors reflect back energy and make it difficult to change moods for relaxation.

41. Pastel colors are best for bedrooms. Use white, gray blue for northern bedroom; yellow, beige, red, orange for northeast and southwest; blue, green, purple for east and southeast; green, brown, red, orange for south; gray, white, yellow, beige for west and northwest.

42. Curtains slow energy to help with a good night’s sleep. Carpets are good for relaxation.

43. Never have a bare light bulb in the bedroom.

44. Place spiky plants outside windows to obstruct burglars.

Conclusion
45. Find your personal kua number (search on Internet). This informs the direction for your head to point while sleeping. Your kua number shows the good and bad colors to wear for success, health, relationships, and personal development. These colors can be incorporated into clothing and automobile color choices.

46. Before determining how to feng shui your environment, first ask what your goal is. Success? Love? Health? Goals vary, and options abound. After deciding what to enhance in life, then research how feng shui can assist.

47. Feng shui is loaded with rules and traditions. Opinions vary on particular topics. Grandmasters dedicate their lives to this art and never learn all the particulars. Study before attempting!
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Society can be moral w/o technology, but technology improves quality of life and productivity.

technological progress = vaccinations & medical treatments
spirituality = praying for an illness to end and being shit out of luck

Yea, but you can do all of that without technology.
Technological progress = spiritual regress.
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I thank you, my friend. Could you tell me what your question means by "Does the Northern Star lie?" It always tells up (not a typo) where to go. The more you know.

To: The Darkness comes.

This is impressive work you are showing here.
I did not have a chance to look at the entire thread yet but thank you for your posts and I shall read some more soon.

I have a question for you and hope you may elaborate on it:

Does the Northern Star lie?

One Love,
D.
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I thank you, my friend. Could you tell me what your question means by "Does the Northern Star lie?" It always tells up (not a typo) where to go. The more you know.

To: The Darkness comes.

This is impressive work you are showing here.
I did not have a chance to look at the entire thread yet but thank you for your posts and I shall read some more soon.

I have a question for you and hope you may elaborate on it:

Does the Northern Star lie?

One Love,
D.
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Sure.
I would like to know whether the obvious light and direction could lead us on the wrong path. I have been told that the northern star was lying, this is how i interpreted the message and i would like to have your enlightened opinion on that subject, if you may.
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Society can be moral w/o technology, but technology improves quality of life and productivity.

technological progress = vaccinations & medical treatments
spirituality = praying for an illness to end and being shit out of luck

Yea, but you can do all of that without technology.
Technological progress = spiritual regress.
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All ilnesses are from the food we eat.
Turn to raw mono-vegan diet and you will never be ill and will feel like superhuman. I'm practicing it and these words are my experience.
Hence, there is no need for medicine & vaccines that kill your immunity.
spirituality = understanding the meaning of life, which means, don't tell god that you have problem, but turn to problem and tell it that you have god.
spirituality =/= what you said.

And how was Jesus healing people?
Through starvation.

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And everyone is just gonna run out and eat raw vegan before ww3/ Try Wild foods, they're better and they make you more super human.

... food/fruit/greens begin to lose energy once you pick it off the branch

propoganda

Society can be moral w/o technology, but technology improves quality of life and productivity.

technological progress = vaccinations & medical treatments
spirituality = praying for an illness to end and being shit out of luck

Yea, but you can do all of that without technology.
Technological progress = spiritual regress.
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All ilnesses are from the food we eat.
Turn to raw mono-vegan diet and you will never be ill and will feel like superhuman. I'm practicing it and these words are my experience.
Hence, there is no need for medicine & vaccines that kill your immunity.
spirituality = understanding the meaning of life, which means, don't tell god that you have problem, but turn to problem and tell it that you have god.
spirituality =/= what you said.
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... food/fruit/greens begin to lose energy once you pick it off the branch
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So?
What's the goal of your claim?

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... food/fruit/greens begin to lose energy once you pick it off the branch
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So?
What's the goal of your claim?
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... food/fruit/greens begin to lose energy once you pick it off the branch
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So?
What's the goal of your claim?
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... food/fruit/greens begin to lose energy once you pick it off the branch
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So?
What's the goal of your claim?
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Yes. What difference does it make whether it loses energy when picked from the branch or not?
Once you are born you start dying.
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Chris, very important question - any tricks for curing carpal tunnel?


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