Elite Family Insider Returns for Q&A

And still white this white, and black this black... Expected that you won't answer a question!

Chris, let's talk about the 'Tower of Babel' story in Genesis 11. I'm fascinated by this story, if anything for its pure absurdity.

Clearly by looking at construction today, this story is false, since we have many many buildings on earth today MANY times larger than this ziggurat could have ever been. But if this story were somehow true, it would make God (I suspect it was Yaldabaoth) a COLOSSAL asshole.

Any insight?

The true God didn't create Lucifer. The false god did.

Here is your reading, I repost it - just added a couple more words. Do you have access toa Vedic program? If not, I will try to put up a picture of your vedic chart on photobucket.
"I am trying to concentrate on a few bits of information that may be new, deeper or ones that can help, from the Vedic system of thinking, without much technicality. The mere fact whether someone is elite or a commoner is rarely seen in Vedic charts, although one can see hints of a relationship with power – political or religious.
Terms: nakshatra: 27-28 lunar mansions, rasi is the basic chart, navamsha is the ninth harmonic chart.

Sun nakshatra as Ascendant (Krittika in Taurus) holds very great creative or destructive powers. (Krittika means blade, razor or cutting.) There is an energetic tie to your father – which means partly that you will have your complete energy pack for your life task when he dies. Your father is not with you and you do not have a good relationship – this is shown by the navamsha. Nevertheless, you will feel when he passes away. There is an ability or important piece of knowledge, science philosophy, or performance you had in a former life when it was not fully developed or recognized. Your father’s energy is a clue to that ability or knowledge. Also, this is not the first time he is your father. He has a shy nature, good intelligence, but there is something rough about him, and there is a sense of duplicity. May work with liquids or plumbing.
Gemini (Punarvasu) Mars shows a keen intellect, way above the average, especially in the verbal or logical world, a strong will to communicate. A twofold path to knowledge: first learning in a classical way, then learning in a deeper way, realizing a master level and teaching others. Classically, this would be an ideal setting for a psychologist, a writer, a teacher. Your teaching fundamentally serves others, coming out first time powerfully during the period between the end of 2010 and September 2011 when Saturn is in Hastha. This service to others – mainly in the form of a community – replaces the need to have children. This is very deep, with destructive elements playing a part – deepening the teaching and the service. (With Pluto and Saturn as well as the lord of the fifth house from the Moon in the fifth house from the ASC, I guess you would have no children, plus the seventh divisional chart shows the lord of the fifth – children among other things – in the house of loss and death. This is not one hundred percent though.) At another level, your father could be a reason why you will want no children in addition to important tasks of service and teaching.
Whatever you receive from the family is usually lost, and material possessions show marks etc. When something material truly becomes yours, it will have a scratch or a defect. This also marks a willingness to sacrifice material wealth for spiritual purposes. That works in reverse too, you will be able to live on your teaching or task.
Your main spiritual endeavor is to nudge people out of their accepted beliefs. This is more important than instilling new ones. You may also go through several spells of quitting a set of beliefs – mostly traditional belief systems appeal to you though. Ketu in the ninth also shows a keen sense of justice and injustice.
Neptune retrograde in Jyestha with the Moon shows a magician that was actively pursuing magic in several lives. One of those could be destroyed by magic and water – tsunami or the way Thera/Atlantis was. A selection of technologies as much as a deep comparison of belief systems goes with this, together with a strong ability to sense other people’s feelings or thoughts. Even specific trains of codes or magic may come from another life.
Anuradha Moon with Hastha Saturn shows someone who grows up among some family taboos, the first part of life determined very much by the parents’ fate, and last but not least, moving many times – as dictated by the needs or the work opportunities of the mother and later by your chosen path to service and teaching. It could be across continents as well. Anuradha is also a very pre-determined Moon, which is great because there is less chance for missing your life task which has to do primarily with other people through a massive amount of communication. Anuradha period is until you are 11 years and 11 months old, moving and not very comfortable, restricted by your mother’s life and her partner. Life is easier after that (Jyestha): much hidden knowledge pours in, there is much learning – some of the knowledge is pretty final (enlightenment level) on this planet. (However, some of the best traits you bring here could come from another more advanced civilization.) The mystical and more secluded, seven-year-old Mula period starts in July 2010 (and lasts until July 2017). This has something to do with seeing hidden things, the center of the Galaxy and a lot of transformation. A Hindu would say enlightenment is possible. When Mula is over, and Saturn has passed your Moon in transit (2014-16), you are ready to come out, however, you already know all the precise details of your task now as you have Saturn-Saturn transit.
A complete transformation of how you relate to the outside world took place by Summer 2004, Rahu in Jyestha fortifies this now (this summer) and brings you to uncover deep secrets. (I know this is what you have been doing here, however, it is neat that your Vedic chart shows – especially from June till October.)
A difficult but ultimately fruitful period is when Saturn will be in Anuradha, the nakshatra of your Moon, from December 2014 till the end of 2015. This could be hard for your mother or other female relative, it would be probably fatal for a relationship, could mean major moving such as going abroad, but it is very good from the POV of accomplishing your life task. The years after that (2016 January-October 2017) will bring out a lot of magic feats almost compulsorily (Saturn in Jyestha). You will have a great following among people who were born between 1988 and 1992 especially (Sagittarius Saturn, Neptune and Uranus, with Libra Pluto). These people are interested in total transformation of society’s deepest beliefs – the last time these planets were together like that was around the time the followers of Martin Luther started the Reformation. This is stretching farther though. Another type of person that may be very receptive to what you bring is Scorpio Pluto (in Vedic), between 93 and 2005, especially the last five years. These people want peace and are tired of worlds being destroyed by war and bad magic and bad technology. Uranus shows you are involved with a very deep renewal of ideas – a true Renaissance. Every thought is thoroughly tested out in real life experience and compared to other thoughts. Your enemies may have Mars-Pluto together so people born in certain months are not suitable to trust.
From the Navamsha, it is necessary to practice control over anger and similar emotions – a great key towards real powers. From what I read in these pages, you do that well, although Pluto opposite Mars now shows a great test and a lot of deeply challenging powers in these precise months – until the end of the year. It sometimes requires supreme control to handle the outside world – real people as well as spirits.
After Scorpio Saturn, it will be easier to have a good love relationship if you truly want that (though Uranus Neptune does not necessarily show a deeper need for this). This chart is not necessarily ascetic, although you may have a double approach with that: at times quite ascetic and emotional, while at times not very emotional but very sensual – mostly in your thoughts though. It is not easy to balance these out.
Your last life was probably short, a warrior – possibly in WW2, my tip would be England. Much destruction. However, you may have ties to Scotland, Himalayas and Japan. Moon shows Islamic lives too. Many times as a monk, a strong person who could sustain themselves alone. In fact, this could be another challenge for you in this life – how to really rely upon other people (who may not always be as independent or smart as you.) Holland, Indonesia are good places for you, and tribal cultures could be also supportive. It is difficult to be normal with a chart like this, luckily, that is not your task. The years leading up to your vision in 2003 could have been dangerous, as was a couple of more, from September 2009 I guess many things were easier and stabler. Since the end of 2005, there could be some fanatics and people with twofold divisions of worldview around you, as well as people possessed. However, your communicative powers are so highly developed that you can put up with this – more easily since openness has been a criterion.

OK, this is at first sight – I know you do not believe in timing as much as free will, and I try to respect that. I learned this system of thinking and this is what it says. There are many other details obviously, ask if you are interested in this Vedic POV. Also, what I write here may apply more to someone with an average karma.
I appreciate the work you do here, patiently, on over 200 pages, and it has been very engrossing for me to read it."

Mercury

Really? I thought that Lucifer stood for knowledge and love, no? So all Masons and illuminats are following the false god?
That 3rd revelation "Insider" said that they are sent from Lucifer (raughly speaking).

This is very impressive. You're accurate on everything. Wish I could type out a longer response, since you invested so much effort. =P

Anyone choosing Christ would definitely know what that is.

(you mentioned something like this in Chris's analysis regarding gaining something when someone passes..)

can you explain HOW this happends?
"A Leo Ascendant (all signs are in Vedic) gets her full spiritual inheritance when her father passes away. Spirituality is tied to your father in former lives: there is a different worldview emerging. "

thanks, Mercury

I do not know the exact way of power transmission, but here's the logic:

Areas of the zodiac ruled by the Sun or the Moon relate to the father and the mother respectively. Among the signs, Leo and Cancer, also three lunar mansions are ruled by the Sun and three by the Moon. Now the Lagna or Ascendant is what you do or learn in this life, it is your task in this life. If it is ruled by the Sun or the Moon, very frequently you do not end up doing your job until the respective parent dies, or you do it only with half the energy. Or there is resistance in you or around you. E.g. both Chris and I are Sun ascendants. Our life tasks relate to something the father does or something he was lacking.

My astro teacher is a case in point, a Leo Asc. in Indian. She lived abroad and did a lot of parties, picked up odd boyfriends although she did study some astrology. When her father passed away, she started serious yoga, became a vegetarian, a teetotaller, a professional astrologer and moved back to Hungary to work as an esoteric astrologer. She later realized she had received her energetic inheritance, when she started to study Indian techniques.
Now her father had been crazy. She handles the same energy differently, she is more than an astrologer, rather like a medium. Not a normal person anyway.
With Moon ascendants, the mother holds part of the energy hostage.

Family constellation therapy (Hellinger) may be a route out of this, also serious magick. But: it is possible that if a native really believes this strange part of esoteric astrology and goes say to a number of family modelling sessions to get his/her full energy - the respective parent may suddenly die. Nevertheless, I have yet to see someone who gained their full Ascendant power without the respective
parent's death.

We don't tell clients this. Hence I got used to a more refined wording.

I created an email address for this type of correspondance: [email protected]
I do not want to derail the thread. I did this reading for Chris as an offering because he inspired me and added some missing pieces to my world view.

The true God didn't create Lucifer. The false god did.

According to the Bible the angel now known as satan(some call him lucifer) turned bad on his own. He wasn't created evil. He was created perfect like all the angels. He just used his free will for evil instead of good. BTW, we don't know satan's original name and never will(although some may think they know it). He goes by a title now that means slanderer(satan) the deceiver(devil). He can't be trusted ever. BTW, satan is a false god. He is A god (but not THE God) just like all the angels are.

The Tower of Babel wasn't seen as 'bad' due to its size, rather it was the negative energy the tower would've created. You know how Solomon's Temple was like a 'telephone' b/t this world and God? Think of the Tower of Babel as the same telephone only b/t this world and Satan. Elites don't know the specific layout of the tower, that's been lost in history, but they know this was the purpose of its attempted construction.

Who would win in a fight?

Satan or Lucifer?

BTW. The remains of the Tower of Babel were discovered many years ago...it happened!

Is this a war starting around Egypt, Israel and Iran?
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The Gaddafi case was proving Chris's point. He almost disappeared from the news and after the Sunday concentration event Tripoli was taken.

BTW I read his Green Book a while back and although I think he was a good ruler in some respects (basically doing an Islamic Socialism) and he had some very humane ideas and deeds, Gaddafi was far from the rosy picture Rense and other globcrits painted on him. After all, the man had giant posters of himself everywhere... and he did persecute all his enemies and bombed his own subjects. Plus he was clearly crazy.
In Libya you could be jailed for having a shot of whisky.
Is Chavez also in the way of WW3?

Chris,
Could you please comment on the people who live in complete despair due to the assaulting conditions on earth? Many good people are becoming reclusive. They can no longer tolerate the hubris of people, the destruction of nature, and the imbalance of everyday life. Probably safe to say, the ones who are looking for the extinction level event. Some are leaving by their own hands, sad but becoming common.
Thank you

It's your economy. Humans have hearts in the right place but the economy turns nice people into twisted shells. The screw-up came when it was decided the value of things be determined by those forced to be interested in money.

It's your economy. Humans have hearts in the right place but the economy turns nice people into twisted shells. The screw-up came when it was decided the value of things be determined by those forced to be interested in money.

A lot of them seem to be unemployed and want off of this earth for reasons not limited to money. I hope for them, changes occur soon or maybe you can implement a ELE and get them out of their misery.

One question about you....
You stated earlier that you will have to reincarnate on a lower level next time around. Why, if you are here to serve in some capacity to help humanity? You also have all the known characteristics of someone on a "higher" level than most. Why would something make you backstep into what you termed "hell"?
Thank you

When the soul has nothing more to look forward to than pain, grief, the desolation of despair it will annihilate the the ego and convince the mind to destroy the body to afford it's escape,

So, what are youtrying to say? They should lay off committing suicide bc eventually their mind will destroy their body?

Elites care not if they're exposed.

You the people don't want wars? Please! Well, you're right - you wouldn't even organize into war.

Said before: Elites left the wild west alone as an experiment and look what happened. Neon easter flowers and pink bunnies on unicycles, yes harmony and utopia is fun. Too many violent elements around for this.

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Here you'll find love of helping.

You speak of love - love is stationary, does nothing,
I can 'love' & 'hope' 24/7, but HELP help is what people need.

And how DARE you second guess my asking for help w/ Gaddafi. Gaddafi? Seriously?! I'm all for turn the other cheek, but come on! It worked, after the ritual, the citizens stormed the capital at lightning speed.

Hey there professor darkness,

If there are so many "elite groups", then it would have surfaced once in a meaningful way over all this time where the whole story was shared no matter how "bad" it is to "fink" on your family. Someone, sometime, would have, and the jig would have been up. So I guess I'm calling for some proof.

Ah, the "greater good". That puts you with some horrifying company... Those that make those claims have fallen into a certain type of camp. Generally deluded sociopaths, or outright zealous murderers.

Are you one? My guess is you will say "sorta" and "i'm above right / wrong, good / bad, love / evil". If only to keep the gullible guessing and the rest of us rolling our eyes at the continued attempts at profundity and gravitas.

I guess the biggest trouble I have with what you say is that you are taking the classic "sacrifice the one for the many" approach. Why not start with your elite groups, then? We, the people, don't want wars. We, the people, don't want our friends and families to die. We, the people, don't want some zealots forcing an agenda on us. And if you can "see" something we can't, then share it. It is time we live in harmony, with more equality, more compassion, acceptance, trust, and love for our fellow man and woman. You should be the ones to set that example. Not starting WW3. It makes you sound like a group of juvenile self-serving bible-thumpers. Can't you see that?

So when you speak of things like war so lightly it bothers me that one so jaded should have so much power as you claim that your group apparently has. That doesn't give me hope, or allow me to respect you; it actually really worries me. Because of the many millions you are apparently ready to commit to death for a "messiah" or some other reason that our simple, plebeian minds could never fully comprehend...

You say you operate using negative energy. And there is one thing that your writings have a distinct lack of. That of love. For humanity, for people, for much of anything other than the "rituals" and ego, apparently. I think that about explains most of your motivations, intentions, and energy. Likely even where you are headed. I can't believe you would actually ask people on here to direct "negative energy" at someone or something...

Do you have a loving relationship in your life? After all, you do work only with negative energy, ya? That is a sad future for our kind, imo. That is no "eilte" of mine.

And here's where I play "devil's" advocate, pardon the pun, no offense, no implication intended, fine sir:
- You're really wanting to help us. You're here to let us know there is 'more', not to serve your ego. You are tying to help us understand that 'more' isn't clean cut "good or bad", but is for the "continuation of the species", or something. Well, thanks, I guess.

I do wish you all the best, if nothing else to gain some peace and to be able to feel some love for yourself and those around you.

Ultimately, we can only really be our own judges. Given enough time.... Right?