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For the next year? In politics. . .

1. continue to oversee installment of radically anti-zionist governments in Middle Eastern nations from the Arab Spring protests

2. install a rabidly pro-Israel government in the USA

3. continue to repress economies in countries supporting Israel (this way it's a more even match when it's a war b/t pro-zionism and anti-zionism)

4. continue the massive flow of cash and resources from Western nations to Arab nations (again, so it's a more even match)

5. increase Israel's ability to respond to enemies (they don't want Israel instantly getting rolled over, the more causalities from the war the better, and wars w/ most causalities come when both sides are more evenly matched)

In magick. . .

1. Continue massive money transfer from USA to China (this is part of a bribe to China, the more money we give them, the more monks they will kill, monks preventing plans of the elite, these monks have set back plans by decades. If not for certain monks California would've had a +9.0 earthquake in 1989. Magick influence also prevented 9/11 from being bigger than what it was b/c British Parliament and US Capitol were to be attacked w/ planes)

Can you tell us anything about the Bilderberg agenda?
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Now you know why I went on vaca. =D

I had no idea this was the reason, was just told to be in a certain place, certain time, in certain state of mind.

I'll look at the palms when I get back from a trip. I'm going to Colorado for a lil bit.

Thank you, but it is the other way around... usually from 11 till 4 or 5 am.
I try to eat more alkaline.
Look, I do not want to derail the thread. We all have our problems. All it is, mine all strengthened from all sides at the same time.
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I don't think anything can derail this thread.LOL Just focus on alkalinity right now and you will see improvement. Baking soda is cheap and easy to find and it will alkalize you right away. I do hope you find relief.
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Thank you. I will try to get it. My grandpa has used it a lot I remember...
Sorry to put out such a rant - when you have extreme circumstances you lose your religion...
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Guess now you know who was next.

[link to www.peruviantimes.com]

One of these was an elite rebel. The tracking and assassination of elite rebels happens around us every day.
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Who's next? How are you doing with those pesky Monks?
On a side note, there was a really cool band back in the 60's called the Monks. They were U.S. GIs stationed in Germany.
Check out the monk haircuts!!

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Mercury, you also have what's called the Girdle of Venus, it's above the heart line in a bow shape and connects your index and pinky fingers. This pic shows where it is. [link to 0.tqn.com]

The Girdle of Venus increases your passion and emotion. Yours is broken up into many segments, meaning this increases your nervous energy and makes you very high strung. If you had a smaller thumb (thus less willpower) you would suffer from severe hysteria, but your willpower (top segment of thumb) is great enough to keep this under control. Willpower keeps this nervous energy from expressing itself too much, but I'd guess you have alot of inner, scattered nervous energy.

On your wife's life line she had a black mark. Does she always have this or was she holding something that made this indention on her life line? If it's natural, it would indicate depression.

I am very passionate indeed. Although people think I am rational and cool-headed, I follow things through...
I think my feelings are so deep that people cannot relate to them and think that I am rational and detached.

It takes a supreme effort to control this on the surface.

My wife has some perennial digestive problems - we thought everything from candida to gall bladder - but basically she is better at this - luckily also with cooking and spices and yoga. Somehow she always has some sicknesses - sacral bone, spine, digestion, eyes not so good... and when evrything is OK, she catches a flu. At the same time she has strange powers and is good at healing with any manual practice - shiatsu and craniosacral being the latest.

I was afraid that it is relationships that cause stoppages or problems with me - because my wife tends to be depressed when whe is not actively healing someone - but lately I found out that there is a use for the strange moods this arouses in me. I cannot put it into words. It is some collective thing and it is something related to magic and wheels and darkness.

Yet I am the gentlest person on the surface.
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Mercury, it looks like the knot under your index finger is well developed and bigger than the other knots. This is called the Mount of Jupiter. A palmistry gypsy book says this about a large Mount of Jupiter (all this won't be correct sing other aspects in the palm can affect this but it'll be more correct than science can explain). . .

(sorry this reads weird, but you know how gypsies are)
"The Jupiterians are strongly built and of middle height. Their complexion is light and clear-colored: Their voice is sonorous, their eyes are large, smiling and melting: the pupils are large, round and limpid; the eyelids are thick and with long eye-heir hair is chestnut in color, long, thick and curly, hut tin early in life; their beard is also wavy; the eyebrows are bow-shaped and well marked; the nose is straight, but not specially long; the mouth is large and thick-lipped, with the upper lip slightly overlapping the lower one; they have long teeth, especially two long upper middle ones; their cheeks arc fleshy and firm, with the bones not very prominent; the chin is long, with a dimple at the base; the ears are of medium size and rather close to the head; the neck is shapely; the shoulders and the back, quite fleshy; they grow stout rather early in life. They have much hair over the body and their feet are hard and plump. They perspire abundantly, especially on the summit of the head. They walk in a quiet, stately manner. The Jupiterian is both bilious and sanguine in temperament. He is subject to gout. Being a great drinker and eater, he is bound to suffer from his indulgence in that respect. His tendencies are sensual without being vicious, except when the type is shown to be spoiled by other undesirable indications in the hands. The Jupiterians are gifted for public life, statesmanship, high offices, even the army and important positions in the church. They are full of confidence in themselves, essentially good-natured and often warm-hearted and charitable. They are apt to spend money too freely and show a somewhat exaggerate contempt for everything mean and miserly. They are religiously inclined, but are fond of splendid ceremonies and of outward show of every kind. They are born aristocrats and conservative to a degree. They believe in law, order, hierarchy. They love peace, but hate all cheating and deceit and will fight without hesitation anyone who tramples upon their beloved tenets. They are easily pleased and keep their friends.
They grow to manhood easily. The proverb says that the Jupiterian "is early out of puberty and poverty;" the pure type is horn lucky and is helped to success by its being a general favorite. A Jupiterian in music was Rossini; in painting, Rubens; their works are most correct illustrations of the type. When other unfavorable indications show the Jupiterian type to be spoiled, he is insufferably overbearing, despotic, spendthrift, selfish to excess, a debauchee, who sacrifices wife and children to his vile habits and very soon becomes a weak and degraded object for general contempt. His luck is not with him any longer, and his detestable instincts culminate in scoundrelism, for his passions are devouring and he must satisfy them at any risk. When the Jupiterian type is spoiled by other indications in the hands we are apt to find a lack of healthy glow in the whiteness of the skin; also straight hair, a short, ill-shaped nose and long, black teeth, A good Jupiterian will have long. smooth, square-tipped fingers, with a first finger conically shaped, and above the average in size; a thick, half-soft palm, a long first phalanx of the thumb. and the inside third phalanges quite plump.

Are the sixteen signs related to geomancy:
"The sixteen symbols of geomancy and which are part of geomantic charts are: carcer, tristitia, aquistio, laetitia, puer, rubeus, fortuna major, fortuna minor, puella, amissio, conjunctio, albus, via, populus, caput draconi, and dauda draconi." [link to www.fengshuicrazy.com]
Are they equal lenght? Do they start from Aries 0 (Aswini) or Spica)?

Let us commoners and semi-initiated play with this thought for a while - we can never figure out the essence though. So far significance was attributed to the tzwelve inclusing shared ruelrships with modern planets.
(There is the sixteenth division in the Hundu Chart yielding new signs... but that should be trasposed over teh original sky.)
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Now you know why I went on vaca. =D

I had no idea this was the reason, was just told to be in a certain place, certain time, in certain state of mind.

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You seem to do what you're told a lot.

What's it like to be a minion and why do you comply with the murder of someone like a monk or Gadhafi? I've only read spurts of your thread but you seem like you suffer from serious cog diss, or maybe that you're afraid to be on your own and that's just how it comes across.

Either way....good luck with the Monks. afroalien03
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Mercury, you also have what's called the Girdle of Venus, it's above the heart line in a bow shape and connects your index and pinky fingers. This pic shows where it is. [link to 0.tqn.com]

The Girdle of Venus increases your passion and emotion. Yours is broken up into many segments, meaning this increases your nervous energy and makes you very high strung. If you had a smaller thumb (thus less willpower) you would suffer from severe hysteria, but your willpower (top segment of thumb) is great enough to keep this under control. Willpower keeps this nervous energy from expressing itself too much, but I'd guess you have alot of inner, scattered nervous energy.

On your wife's life line she had a black mark. Does she always have this or was she holding something that made this indention on her life line? If it's natural, it would indicate depression.

I am very passionate indeed. Although people think I am rational and cool-headed, I follow things through...
I think my feelings are so deep that people cannot relate to them and think that I am rational and detached.

It takes a supreme effort to control this on the surface.

My wife has some perennial digestive problems - we thought everything from candida to gall bladder - but basically she is better at this - luckily also with cooking and spices and yoga. Somehow she always has some sicknesses - sacral bone, spine, digestion, eyes not so good... and when evrything is OK, she catches a flu. At the same time she has strange powers and is good at healing with any manual practice - shiatsu and craniosacral being the latest.

I was afraid that it is relationships that cause stoppages or problems with me - because my wife tends to be depressed when whe is not actively healing someone - but lately I found out that there is a use for the strange moods this arouses in me. I cannot put it into words. It is some collective thing and it is something related to magic and wheels and darkness.

Yet I am the gentlest person on the surface.
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Yes, this is quite true. And confirms what my astrology says on both of us - a lot of scattered but intense energy along Venus lines. Now you can understand how I can have visions without any hallucinogens. Meditation helps as does recently qigong and taichi when I have the time...
I am also Jupiterian for all my faults and good sides - except bodily I am very thin - Saturn must have a strong presence. Where do you look for that on the palm?

My wife has had depression for a while but we did only alternative treatments. Pluto is not in palm reading (correct me if I'm wrong), but that is partly where it is rooted. Thus she got into healing and a kind of deep psychology and that is how it can be alleviated. We have some task with people and at this point it is very abstract - Jupiter led me to things like astrology and NLP therapy. Sometimes I have the impression that she either channels very weird spirits or healing spirits. She also teaches hatha yoga.

Time to time we play music for a hobby - Middle Eastern-based improvisation and Native American flute for example. Music always influenced my scattered energies greatly - from ragas to new wave... Sometimes that is the only way to collect my mind.
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Beat it Mercury, your not from this country and we in the US could care less about vedic astrological pillow talk over doom of this proportion affecting healthy sane US Citizens occurring right now. This is about the doom Chris is here to program about, not talk about alignments when your 60. Maybe you need to read the WHOLE thread, and actually read the link I posted about FDA taking the biggest step towards crushing our last thing we have control over and that's our health and poison we choose not to put in it.

who said anything about astrology being irrelevant, I'm saying if you have any significant to put out from your astro analysis thats waking people up lets here it












Sorry, Gnostic Slave, you did not read the thread if you think astrology is irrelevant here.

Plus: mind your manners, please.
I have a friend who got banned for this.
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First of all, Gnostic Slave, I'm an American citizen. Lived there for 15 years, and raised an American daughter. So stuff your false superiority where it belongs.

Secondly, I concur with the dire predictions of the OP on several counts starting out from esoteric astrology. It may not be your cup of tea but other people think it is relevant.

I also verified in the OP's chart analysis - posted here - that he IS an extraordinary person capable of what he claims: channeling transformative forces of a metaphysical nature which resemble a painful operation - in respect of an entire planet.

Secondly, out of astrology, I also think that instead of the "mass enlightenment" people expected, a world war, famines, and contagious diseases of an unknown kind may be expected in the coming few years, as well as radioactivity and the ongoing climate change. If humanity continues its course, it may lead to a cataclysm like a greater Chernobyl combined with Auschwitz.
Fukushima is already doing away with the Pacific.

Just for starters, Pluto is in Sagittarius, for years, and recently people have gone mad in masses because Jupiter aspects it from Aries, the sign of war. And Saturn will be facing it soon. Fanaticism and hatred are at an all-time high in many countries for years to come. Pluto in Sagittarius is more destructive than Pluto in Cancer was (like during the Holocaust), because Sagittarius is a male, fiery energy. It will go into a Venusian territory within that from Jan. 1. (That is the area where Adolf Hitler's Moon was, and a few significant planets of Joseph Stalin...) If you think you know what fanaticism is, wait till you see that.

Actual smaller wars may break out in the Middle East within a year with Israel. The US economy is going down-down-down. Dollar already has a big problem with China. Euro is barely going to rescued. Japan is swathed in radioactivity which they deny.

I think if Obama is not reelected (which is likely), religious war will start around early 2013, anyway, when the North Node stands together with Saturn. And by the spring, the US will be involved. That will prop things up for a while (like when in Hitler's country started the war. War makes money.)

But no one will win, as Christopher said.

The Chinese will finance it but wait it out. Libra Saturn will be a good time for them. But there may be upheavals involving Tibet, Falun Gong, Taiwan and North Korea before they emerge. (I somehow doubt that at this point unless many leaders are fired like in the Gang of Four case.)

We'll have to deal with scarcity, lack of uncontaminated areas. About half of humanity will not make it through. Pluto in Capricorn is like the French Revolution.

Scorpio Saturn will be vicious - a mass poisoning will spread on a good part of the globe. Also, it will be tragic for the Islamic world.

The other scenario is that these warring conflicts are smaller but infectious agents are already spread to most of the population of civilized countries.

The money system is going to crumble anyway. It is as crazy as the debts that finally did in the Western Roman Empire. And young people just will not believe in the old churches any more. The last time a configuration like this was in European history, I mean when the twentysomethings were born, was around the birth of Martin Luther who started the Reformation and a hundred years of wars, insurrections etc.

Because they can no longer believe in the system. And rightfully so.

Revolution? It could also happen. But it is kind of late to stop these forces to turn around without major fiery upheaval.

I will do the Antichrist candidate's chart too. Perhaps he will also play his part.

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Expect the FDA food fights and Monsanto get more and more inhuman and open during the next month. NOW.
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Beat it Mercury, your not from this country and we in the US could care less about vedic astrological pillow talk over doom of this proportion affecting healthy sane US Citizens occurring right now. This is about the doom Chris is here to program about, not talk about alignments when your 60. Maybe you need to read the WHOLE thread, and actually read the link I posted about FDA taking the biggest step towards crushing our last thing we have control over and that's our health and poison we choose not to put in it.

who said anything about astrology being irrelevant, I'm saying if you have any significant to put out from your astro analysis thats waking people up lets here it












Sorry, Gnostic Slave, you did not read the thread if you think astrology is irrelevant here.

Plus: mind your manners, please.
I have a friend who got banned for this.
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What does that have to do with it? That was really uncalled for.

And what Chris is talking about affects the whole world. Not just the US. And everyone's input is welcome here no matter if you believe it or not.
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Could someone find a decent palm picture of the Long Island Medium from TLC channel? She annoys the ever-lovin' piss outta me, and I would like to prove to myself she's a fraud.
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I'm gonna wear a car key chain with St. Christopher.
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Could someone find a decent palm picture of the Long Island Medium from TLC channel? She annoys the ever-lovin' piss outta me, and I would like to prove to myself she's a fraud.
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Who is she, it's not Miss Cleo, is it??
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Could someone find a decent palm picture of the Long Island Medium from TLC channel? She annoys the ever-lovin' piss outta me, and I would like to prove to myself she's a fraud.
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I'd never heard of this chick before, but after watching some of her videos she annoys me too. She's almost a caricature of the New York dialect. Watching her reminds me of another New York psychic, Mary Occhino, who has a radio show called "Angels on Call" and used to be on cable TV. I believe Mary O is the real deal, but this gal on Long Island...not so much.
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I need ideas. If you wanted to put a dent in political corruption, what law would you pass? Remember to be reasonable. Things like "get rid of the fed reserve" just isn't gonna happen.
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I need ideas. If you wanted to put a dent in political corruption, what law would you pass? Remember to be reasonable. Things like "get rid of the fed reserve" just isn't gonna happen.
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There needs to be a way to keep corporate interests and politics separate. I don't think that's really possible though.
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I need ideas. If you wanted to put a dent in political corruption, what law would you pass? Remember to be reasonable. Things like "get rid of the fed reserve" just isn't gonna happen.
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1. Pass a law to restrict laws to one item, written and published in simple terms that people can understand--(things hidden allow corruption)--one item would prevent all the items that get tagged at the end of a bill for special interest groups.

2. Prevent or severely restrict lobbyists or lobbying. Remove the money and you remove the temptation.

3. Increase and enforce punishments for abuse of office. People need to be accountable for the decisions they make.

4. Eliminate politicians, if everyone has to serve--like people have to serve on a jury (jury duty), or countries where everyone must serve 2 years out of High School--Promote national pride--not have a government that is an embarrassment.

5. And the most important one of all-- Ethics, philosophy must be taught in schools--from early on. Our citizens are not taught this, and our culture rewards crooks, thieves, and most every kind of immoral behavior. Our movies, music, books, television and current laws all promote corporate greed. They promote success as monetary gain, and reward grades over what is learned.

6. Laws that promote full disclosure, openness, accountability--corruption happens in the dark so to speak--when things are allowed to be hidden from view.
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I need ideas. If you wanted to put a dent in political corruption, what law would you pass? Remember to be reasonable. Things like "get rid of the fed reserve" just isn't gonna happen.
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Not reasonable in today's world but still this a start for a better world.....

1- No more laws are created and voted into existence by a the Federal Government, through Congress and the Senate.

Only the Judicial Branch can create or amend laws at the Federal level, but while always keeping them in line with the Constitution.

The States are given power to vote in laws for their individual States only.

The people have the power to overwrite amended or newly created laws with an online petition against them, consisting of at least 50.1% of all constituents.

2- Federal elections consist of only electing a President into office with his own Executive limited team, representing a very limited Government with its main purpose being to uphold the principles within the Constitution.

3- At the federal level, most departments are simply abolished.

4- Eventually abolish the existence of interest within the nation, therefore all banking institutions are Nationalized. They create and put money in circulation mainly based on the actual GDP capacity of the country.

5- Any action done or allowed to go against the Constitution is automatically penalized with jailtime, therefore things such as yearly foreign aid to other nations and military bases all around the world would need to automatically end.

6- Every Federal dollar spent must be available to view online.

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So I was wondering what is your take on what this site has to say about the crystal skulls?

link to www.wakeup-world.com

If doesn't work let me know please.
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I need ideas. If you wanted to put a dent in political corruption, what law would you pass? Remember to be reasonable. Things like "get rid of the fed reserve" just isn't gonna happen.
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1. Pass a law to restrict laws to one item, written and published in simple terms that people can understand--(things hidden allow corruption)--one item would prevent all the items that get tagged at the end of a bill for special interest groups.

2. Prevent or severely restrict lobbyists or lobbying. Remove the money and you remove the temptation.

3. Increase and enforce punishments for abuse of office. People need to be accountable for the decisions they make.

4. Eliminate politicians, if everyone has to serve--like people have to serve on a jury (jury duty), or countries where everyone must serve 2 years out of High School--Promote national pride--not have a government that is an embarrassment.

5. And the most important one of all-- Ethics, philosophy must be taught in schools--from early on. Our citizens are not taught this, and our culture rewards crooks, thieves, and most every kind of immoral behavior. Our movies, music, books, television and current laws all promote corporate greed. They promote success as monetary gain, and reward grades over what is learned.

6. Laws that promote full disclosure, openness, accountability--corruption happens in the dark so to speak--when things are allowed to be hidden from view.
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Since he asked for one, I'd have to vote for number four. Term limits, period. Every last one of them should be term limited.
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No more PAC-s. No more contribution from any "legal entity."
One hundred dollars max - like it was at the Jerry Brown campaign. Each person could give that much - each company or organization.
If someone wants tot cheat this and they are affiliated with other money-donating campaigners - heavy fines.
Equal time on all media, first of all TV.
Either a TV station does not deal with politics, or it should represent all the major contestants.

Jerry Brown articulated all this in 1992.
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I would abolish the equal rights of "legal entities" - if I may reflect upon the contribution of my countryman Kartikeya.
Groups of ghosts should have an influence over the common affairs of mankind sooner than corporations. It is not that they should be done away with - although sometimes I wish that to be the case -, it is simply that they are not alive, they are dead, and they are the mirror of a very dark collective spirit - much worse than the "big government" most right-wing activitst are afraid of.
Unless what we want is fascism.
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ok. almost 300 pages are way too many for me to read to bee able to tell if this question has been asked yet so here goes...

Is it true that underground shelters have been destroyed because of a war between the "Elites" and the White Dragon Society (or whatever their called) and is it true that just within the last day or so there was an underground complex destroyed in Texas due to the same conflict??

If so, do you have an opinion on who's winning the war?
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I wish someone would compile the Q&A sections of this thread into a pdf like the previous Elite Insider thread.

Hey Chris, tell us about what just happened in Turkey?
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I wish someone would compile the Q&A sections of this thread into a pdf like the previous Elite Insider thread.

Hey Chris, tell us about what just happened in Turkey?
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A document was compiled by the Russian.
The last twenty or so pages are not in it though.
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I think it's a hoax.

So I was wondering what is your take on what this site has to say about the crystal skulls?

link to www.wakeup-world.com

If doesn't work let me know please.
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[link to convention.idea.informer.com]

Vote on my idea if you like, or make your own.

I need ideas. If you wanted to put a dent in political corruption, what law would you pass? Remember to be reasonable. Things like "get rid of the fed reserve" just isn't gonna happen.
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There needs to be a way to keep corporate interests and politics separate. I don't think that's really possible though.
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No, that's just failed Muslim Elite attempts to weaken us.

ok. almost 300 pages are way too many for me to read to bee able to tell if this question has been asked yet so here goes...

Is it true that underground shelters have been destroyed because of a war between the "Elites" and the White Dragon Society (or whatever their called) and is it true that just within the last day or so there was an underground complex destroyed in Texas due to the same conflict??

If so, do you have an opinion on who's winning the war?
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