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Serious Discussion: What is Consciousness?

 
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The 'I' is there even without the 'am'. (Šrí Nisargadatta Maharaj)
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We have three?

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AM

THAT

Is this the essence of consciousness? Identification?
 Quoting: Aleilius


IMO What he meant with "THAT" is the source of "I" and "AM". All duality has its source in "I AM" and the Source of "I AM" was named by him "THAT". I call it Spirit.
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Only atman is brahman - not you.

Nothingness is BS - doesn´t exist. Instead think of "not-a-thing-ness" meaning nothing-particular, Spirit.
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What do you mean only atman is brahman, not you?

Atman means soul and brahman is spirit.

Realizing "I am Brahman" means engagement in spiritual activity because we are spirit, and our activities are exhibited even though we are contaminated by matter. To become Brahman does not mean to become void but to establish ourselves in the superior nature, which means superior energy and superior activities. To become Brahman means to be completely engaged in rendering devotional service to the Lord.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Isn´t Brahman non-personal hence you cannot engage in any service to the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


You can become a pure tool of the Lord, than the Lord will become you.
 Quoting: Alestes


You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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living entity is also Brahman, or spirit. Is the spirit soul not capable of I Am?
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Not without some vehicle, duality.
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Only atman is brahman - not you.

Nothingness is BS - doesn´t exist. Instead think of "not-a-thing-ness" meaning nothing-particular, Spirit.
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What do you mean only atman is brahman, not you?

Atman means soul and brahman is spirit.

Realizing "I am Brahman" means engagement in spiritual activity because we are spirit, and our activities are exhibited even though we are contaminated by matter. To become Brahman does not mean to become void but to establish ourselves in the superior nature, which means superior energy and superior activities. To become Brahman means to be completely engaged in rendering devotional service to the Lord.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


"I am" is never brahman.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


You do not quote shastra and make illogical arguments.

The Jiva atman or living entity is also Brahman, or spirit. Is the spirit soul not capable of I Am?

Though the jiva permeates his body as impersonal consciousness, he is always a person.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


And she is the universe of his personal consciousness.
Both as one are Atman as Brahman.
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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What do you mean only atman is brahman, not you?

Atman means soul and brahman is spirit.

Realizing "I am Brahman" means engagement in spiritual activity because we are spirit, and our activities are exhibited even though we are contaminated by matter. To become Brahman does not mean to become void but to establish ourselves in the superior nature, which means superior energy and superior activities. To become Brahman means to be completely engaged in rendering devotional service to the Lord.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Isn´t Brahman non-personal hence you cannot engage in any service to the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


You can become a pure tool of the Lord, than the Lord will become you.
 Quoting: Alestes


You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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... ego will die when he becomes you.
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Vehicles for the universal dost thou not become?
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Isn´t Brahman non-personal hence you cannot engage in any service to the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


You can become a pure tool of the Lord, than the Lord will become you.
 Quoting: Alestes


You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
 Quoting: Alestes


The lord is not impersonal, he does not become you. You are already an eternal fragment from time immemorial.

Impersonalist commentators on the Bhagavad-gitä unreasonably assume that Brahman takes the form of jiva in the material world, and to substantiate this they refer to Chapter Fifteen, verse 7, of the Gitä. But in this verse the Lord also speaks of the living entity as "an eternal fragment of Myself." The fragment of God, the living entity, may fall down into the material world, but the Supreme Lord (Acyuta) never falls down. Therefore this assumption that the Supreme Brahman assumes the form of jiva is not acceptable. It is important to remember that in Vedic literature Brahman (the living entity) is distinguished from Parabrahman (the Supreme Lord).
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Isn´t Brahman non-personal hence you cannot engage in any service to the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


You can become a pure tool of the Lord, than the Lord will become you.
 Quoting: Alestes


You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
 Quoting: Alestes


Ego does not die, FALSE ego is a covering of the soul that is removed when one realizes he is Spirit Soul and not the Body.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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... ego will die when he becomes you.
 Quoting: Alestes


Vehicles for the universal dost thou not become?
 Quoting: Aleilius


Only in your/his dream/her. :)
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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Better:

The 'I' is there even without the 'am'. (Šrí Nisargadatta Maharaj)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


We have three?

I

AM

THAT

Is this the essence of consciousness? Identification?
 Quoting: Aleilius


IMO What he meant with "THAT" is the source of "I" and "AM". All duality has its source in "I AM" and the Source of "I AM" was named by him "THAT". I call it Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


That is not He (consciusness) nor She (universe).
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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Better:

The 'I' is there even without the 'am'. (Šrí Nisargadatta Maharaj)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


We have three?

I

AM

THAT

Is this the essence of consciousness? Identification?
 Quoting: Aleilius


IMO What he meant with "THAT" is the source of "I" and "AM". All duality has its source in "I AM" and the Source of "I AM" was named by him "THAT". I call it Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


That is not He (consciusness) nor She (universe).
 Quoting: Alestes


The Source of both, God.
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... ego will die when he becomes you.
 Quoting: Alestes


Vehicles for the universal dost thou not become?
 Quoting: Aleilius


Only in your/his dream/her. :)
 Quoting: Alestes


hf

I dream a dream.

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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.

What medicine do you recommend for this age of Kali Yuga?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.
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Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
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What medicine do you recommend for this age of Kali Yuga?
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Love all life. Yes, that is the right medicine.

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You can become a pure tool of the Lord, than the Lord will become you.
 Quoting: Alestes


You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
 Quoting: Alestes


The lord is not impersonal, he does not become you. You are already an eternal fragment from time immemorial.

Impersonalist commentators on the Bhagavad-gitä unreasonably assume that Brahman takes the form of jiva in the material world, and to substantiate this they refer to Chapter Fifteen, verse 7, of the Gitä. But in this verse the Lord also speaks of the living entity as "an eternal fragment of Myself." The fragment of God, the living entity, may fall down into the material world, but the Supreme Lord (Acyuta) never falls down. Therefore this assumption that the Supreme Brahman assumes the form of jiva is not acceptable. It is important to remember that in Vedic literature Brahman (the living entity) is distinguished from Parabrahman (the Supreme Lord).
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


When the Lord becomes you he is no longer 'he', but 'that'( your true self) which is beyond time and never fell.
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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I agree.

'I' without 'am' or 'am not'
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My version of this;

is.


peace
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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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You can become a pure tool of the Lord, than the Lord will become you.
 Quoting: Alestes


You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
 Quoting: Alestes


Ego does not die, FALSE ego is a covering of the soul that is removed when one realizes he is Spirit Soul and not the Body.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Spirit will be your body.
When one ego dies, all will die and no one has ever fallen.
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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... ego will die when he becomes you.
 Quoting: Alestes


Vehicles for the universal dost thou not become?
 Quoting: Aleilius


Only in your/his dream/her. :)
 Quoting: Alestes


hf

I dream a dream.
 Quoting: Aleilius


thwak Come on. Awake. :)

peace
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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You never become the Lord, you are always part and parcel of the Lord qualitatively, but quantitatively you are very small and he is very large.

Your consciousness permeates your entire body and does not extend beyond that, but the lord is conscious of all our bodies and everything within all universes, thus he is PARABRAHMAN, or the SUPREME BRAHMAN, the same way he is PARA-ATMA, or the SUPREME SOUL.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
 Quoting: Alestes


The lord is not impersonal, he does not become you. You are already an eternal fragment from time immemorial.

Impersonalist commentators on the Bhagavad-gitä unreasonably assume that Brahman takes the form of jiva in the material world, and to substantiate this they refer to Chapter Fifteen, verse 7, of the Gitä. But in this verse the Lord also speaks of the living entity as "an eternal fragment of Myself." The fragment of God, the living entity, may fall down into the material world, but the Supreme Lord (Acyuta) never falls down. Therefore this assumption that the Supreme Brahman assumes the form of jiva is not acceptable. It is important to remember that in Vedic literature Brahman (the living entity) is distinguished from Parabrahman (the Supreme Lord).
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


When the Lord becomes you he is no longer 'he', but 'that'( your true self) which is beyond time and never fell.
 Quoting: Alestes


You don't quote Shastra, you are speaking like a fool. The Lord is PARABRAHMAN, the living entity is composed of Impersnoal BRAHMAN but is always personal. The LORD NEVER BECOMES Brahman because the Brahman is his IMPERSONAL EFFULGENCE.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


I know your Hare Krishna movement and agree fully with all your opinions, that which I know of.


What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


All of them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18
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I agree.

'I' without 'am' or 'am not'
 Quoting: Alestes


My version of this;

is.


peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371763


Whose version is this 'is'?

neener
Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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You can't become the Lord, because ego will die when he becomes you.

Everything within all universes is within your body.
 Quoting: Alestes


The lord is not impersonal, he does not become you. You are already an eternal fragment from time immemorial.

Impersonalist commentators on the Bhagavad-gitä unreasonably assume that Brahman takes the form of jiva in the material world, and to substantiate this they refer to Chapter Fifteen, verse 7, of the Gitä. But in this verse the Lord also speaks of the living entity as "an eternal fragment of Myself." The fragment of God, the living entity, may fall down into the material world, but the Supreme Lord (Acyuta) never falls down. Therefore this assumption that the Supreme Brahman assumes the form of jiva is not acceptable. It is important to remember that in Vedic literature Brahman (the living entity) is distinguished from Parabrahman (the Supreme Lord).
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


When the Lord becomes you he is no longer 'he', but 'that'( your true self) which is beyond time and never fell.
 Quoting: Alestes


You don't quote Shastra, you are speaking like a fool. The Lord is PARABRAHMAN, the living entity is composed of Impersnoal BRAHMAN but is always personal. The LORD NEVER BECOMES Brahman because the Brahman is his IMPERSONAL EFFULGENCE.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


You are too clever for me. ;)

personal + impersonal Brahman = Parabrahman (me which is alone and therefore beyond personal and impersonal)

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Let none deceive another, or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill-will Wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart should one cherish all living beings;

— Metta Sutta
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05/05/2011 07:17 PM

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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


I know your Hare Krishna movement and agree fully with all your opinions, that which I know of.


What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


All of them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


hf

In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.

The Lord is unlimited and has unlimited names, and he is known by name only because the names describe qualities of god.

Christ is a name of the lord. If this is your preferred name to chant, then please chant the name of the lord to develop your love of god even further!

This is the Yuga-Dharma, or occupational duties for this age!

We must flood the world with love of god, no matter what caste, creed, or religion.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Consciousness is the Universe trying to understand itself...
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Consciousness is the Universe trying to understand itself...
 Quoting: Indy @


What makes you think this? Why not use authoritative knowledge instead of trying to manufacture some idea?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


I know your Hare Krishna movement and agree fully with all your opinions, that which I know of.


What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


All of them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


hf

In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.

The Lord is unlimited and has unlimited names, and he is known by name only because the names describe qualities of god.

Christ is a name of the lord. If this is your preferred name to chant, then please chant the name of the lord to develop your love of god even further!

This is the Yuga-Dharma, or occupational duties for this age!

We must flood the world with love of god, no matter what caste, creed, or religion.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans



I like silence more.peace
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Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


I know your Hare Krishna movement and agree fully with all your opinions, that which I know of.


What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


All of them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


hf

In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.

The Lord is unlimited and has unlimited names, and he is known by name only because the names describe qualities of god.

Christ is a name of the lord. If this is your preferred name to chant, then please chant the name of the lord to develop your love of god even further!

This is the Yuga-Dharma, or occupational duties for this age!

We must flood the world with love of god, no matter what caste, creed, or religion.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans



I like silence more.peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686



What does silence bring? Silence is only necessary when one does not know what to speak about.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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05/05/2011 07:25 PM
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Vehicles for the universal dost thou not become?
 Quoting: Aleilius


Only in your/his dream/her. :)
 Quoting: Alestes


hf

I dream a dream.
 Quoting: Aleilius


thwak Come on. Awake. :)

peace
 Quoting: Alestes


I wake to sleep. I sleep to wake. All things are accomplished in my waking sleep.

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