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Serious Discussion: What is Consciousness?

 
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I know your Hare Krishna movement and agree fully with all your opinions, that which I know of.


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All of them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18
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hf

In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.

The Lord is unlimited and has unlimited names, and he is known by name only because the names describe qualities of god.

Christ is a name of the lord. If this is your preferred name to chant, then please chant the name of the lord to develop your love of god even further!

This is the Yuga-Dharma, or occupational duties for this age!

We must flood the world with love of god, no matter what caste, creed, or religion.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans



I like silence more.peace
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What does silence bring? Silence is only necessary when one does not know what to speak about.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


If you are silent enough you can hear Lord speaking to you, non-verbal.
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I know your Hare Krishna movement and agree fully with all your opinions, that which I know of.


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All of them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


hf

In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.

The Lord is unlimited and has unlimited names, and he is known by name only because the names describe qualities of god.

Christ is a name of the lord. If this is your preferred name to chant, then please chant the name of the lord to develop your love of god even further!

This is the Yuga-Dharma, or occupational duties for this age!

We must flood the world with love of god, no matter what caste, creed, or religion.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans



I like silence more.peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686



What does silence bring? Silence is only necessary when one does not know what to speak about.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Silence is unity.
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Consciousness is the Universe trying to understand itself...
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What makes you think this? Why not use authoritative knowledge instead of trying to manufacture some idea?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Is there any authorative knowledge on the nature of consciousness...we're not exactly dealing with facts here... Where consciousness is concerned it's all just philosophy. So my notion is as valid as any...
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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.
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Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
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Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
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Does that apply to fish?
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So being so knowledgeable, you must know how to get out of this distressing situation known as Birth & Death.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Knowing is not being, right?


BTW, I believe in Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


Lord Jesus Christ is a great Spiritual Master, it is unfortunate most of his disciples just simply did not understand what he was speaking about fully.

What specific teachings of jesus do you follow?

What is your view on the commandment " Thou shalt not kill ".

Should this not apply to the massive amount of slaughterhouses we have in america?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Does that apply to fish?
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No, as far as fish is concerned, it is less than vegetable life. If living on fish is necessary, then go ahead.

But we in cultured society try to subsist on fruits grains nuts and milk products from cows raised on the farm. We only eat these things because they are offerable to the lord.

Here is a quote from a purport by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

"Persons who have no discrimination in the matter of foodstuff and who eat all sorts of rubbish are compared to hogs. Hogs are very much attached to eating stools. So stool is a kind of foodstuff for a particular type of animal. And even stones are eatables for a particular type of animal or bird. But the human being is not meant to eat everything and anything; he is meant to eat grains, vegetables, fruits, milk, sugar, etc. Animal food is not meant for the human being. For chewing solid food, the human being has a particular type of teeth meant for cutting fruits and vegetables. The human being is endowed with two canine teeth as a concession for persons who will eat animal food at any cost. It is known to everyone that one man's food is another man's poison.

Human beings are expected to accept the remnants of food offered to the Lord, and the Lord accepts foodstuff from the categories of leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. (Bg. 9.26). As prescribed by Vedic scriptures, no animal food is offered to the Lord.

Therefore, a human being is meant to eat a particular type of food. He should not imitate the animals to derive so-called vitamin values. Therefore, a person who has no discrimination in regard to eating is compared to a hog."







So fish is okay, not offerable though so why eat fish when we can prepare so many nice foods with many tasty ingredients, offer them to the Lord and take his remnants.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Consciousness is the Universe trying to understand itself...
 Quoting: Indy @


What makes you think this? Why not use authoritative knowledge instead of trying to manufacture some idea?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Is there any authorative knowledge on the nature of consciousness...we're not exactly dealing with facts here... Where consciousness is concerned it's all just philosophy. So my notion is as valid as any...
 Quoting: Indy @


Yes there is. You must search for the knowledge. You have to read them in order to find out if they are truthful or not, you cannot simply skip them over and assume they are incorrect.

The path is wide open, why do you not accept? It does no harm to traverse down the path to determine the truth of the knowledge claimed in the Vedas.

In Sanskrit, Vedas means Knowledge.

In our society we accept knowledge from 2 ways.

1. Ascending, experiential knowledge.
Example: Learning to ride a bike

2. Descending, revealed knowledge.
Example: Attending college for a degree in electrical engineering.


All the kings of India relied on the Brahmanas to lead their societies, and they would not have been successful without this Vedic Knowledge.

What makes you think it is incorrect? Are you fully read on Vedanta?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Consciousness is the Universe trying to understand itself...
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What makes you think this? Why not use authoritative knowledge instead of trying to manufacture some idea?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Is there any authorative knowledge on the nature of consciousness...we're not exactly dealing with facts here... Where consciousness is concerned it's all just philosophy. So my notion is as valid as any...
 Quoting: Indy @


Yes there is. You must search for the knowledge. You have to read them in order to find out if they are truthful or not, you cannot simply skip them over and assume they are incorrect.

The path is wide open, why do you not accept? It does no harm to traverse down the path to determine the truth of the knowledge claimed in the Vedas.

In Sanskrit, Vedas means Knowledge.

In our society we accept knowledge from 2 ways.

1. Ascending, experiential knowledge.
Example: Learning to ride a bike

2. Descending, revealed knowledge.
Example: Attending college for a degree in electrical engineering.


All the kings of India relied on the Brahmanas to lead their societies, and they would not have been successful without this Vedic Knowledge.

What makes you think it is incorrect? Are you fully read on Vedanta?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Not in this case though...wouldn't you say life is the best teacher where consciousness is concerned? Or would you rather base your opinions on the ideas of others, who are also merely guessing?

The opposite goes as well...you cannot simply absorb knowledge and take it for the truth...that's just as ignorant.

It's just one truth...one aspect of it...

Well I'm no King of India and I'm sure there's something to be learned from Vedic Knowledge...but the truth...I'd rather find my own truth. And no, I'm not very familiar with the Vedanta...doesn't mean I'm wrong and those people a long time ago were right...it's the question that matters...not the answer. Perhaps there isn't even an answer.
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hf

In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.

The Lord is unlimited and has unlimited names, and he is known by name only because the names describe qualities of god.

Christ is a name of the lord. If this is your preferred name to chant, then please chant the name of the lord to develop your love of god even further!

This is the Yuga-Dharma, or occupational duties for this age!

We must flood the world with love of god, no matter what caste, creed, or religion.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans



I like silence more.peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686



What does silence bring? Silence is only necessary when one does not know what to speak about.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


If you are silent enough you can hear Lord speaking to you, non-verbal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334686


...


What makes you think this? Why not use authoritative knowledge instead of trying to manufacture some idea?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Is there any authorative knowledge on the nature of consciousness...we're not exactly dealing with facts here... Where consciousness is concerned it's all just philosophy. So my notion is as valid as any...
 Quoting: Indy @


Yes there is. You must search for the knowledge. You have to read them in order to find out if they are truthful or not, you cannot simply skip them over and assume they are incorrect.

The path is wide open, why do you not accept? It does no harm to traverse down the path to determine the truth of the knowledge claimed in the Vedas.

In Sanskrit, Vedas means Knowledge.

In our society we accept knowledge from 2 ways.

1. Ascending, experiential knowledge.
Example: Learning to ride a bike

2. Descending, revealed knowledge.
Example: Attending college for a degree in electrical engineering.


All the kings of India relied on the Brahmanas to lead their societies, and they would not have been successful without this Vedic Knowledge.

What makes you think it is incorrect? Are you fully read on Vedanta?
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Not in this case though...wouldn't you say life is the best teacher where consciousness is concerned? Or would you rather base your opinions on the ideas of others, who are also merely guessing?

The opposite goes as well...you cannot simply absorb knowledge and take it for the truth...that's just as ignorant.

It's just one truth...one aspect of it...

Well I'm no King of India and I'm sure there's something to be learned from Vedic Knowledge...but the truth...I'd rather find my own truth. And no, I'm not very familiar with the Vedanta...doesn't mean I'm wrong and those people a long time ago were right...it's the question that matters...not the answer. Perhaps there isn't even an answer.
 Quoting: Indy @


The vedas come from Lord Brahma, creator of the universe, and supreme being, an expansion of God.

If you cannot accept that knowledge comes from God, where else can it come from

What does life have to teach you?

The material world is only full of miseries, there is no happiness in the material world, only illusory happiness.

This is the first thing that is described in the vedas, you are a fool if you will not accept intellectual literature. It is still authoritative to this day and taught in colleges in India, and many advanced scholars and philosophers are astounded by the coherence and consistency of this knowledge.


"Formerly, the Vedas were heard by the student from the spiritual master, and thus the Vedas became known as sruti, meaning "that which is heard." In Bhagavad-gita, for example, we see that Arjuna is listening to Krishna on the battlefield. He is not engaged in the study of Vedanta philosophy. We can hear from the Supreme Authority in any place, even in the battlefield.

The knowledge is received, not manufactured. Some people think, "Why should I listen to Him? I can think for myself. I can manufacture something new." This is not the Vedic process of descending knowledge. By ascending knowledge, one tries to elevate himself by his own effort, but by descending knowledge one receives the knowledge from a superior source. In the Vedic tradition, knowledge is imparted to the student from the spiritual master, as in Bhagavad-gita (evaa parampara-praptam imaa rajarnayo viduu [Bg. 4.2]). Submissive hearing is so powerful that simply by hearing from authoritative sources we can become completely perfect. In becoming submissive, we become aware of our own imperfections. As long as we are conditioned, we are subject to four kinds of imperfections: we are sure to commit mistakes, to become illusioned, to have imperfect senses and to cheat. Therefore our attempt to understand the Absolute Truth by our faulty senses and experience is futile. We must hear from a representative of God who is a devotee of God's. Krishna made Arjuna His representative because Arjuna was His devotee: bhakto 'si me sakha ceti. (Bg. 4.3)

No one can become a representative of God without being a devotee of God's. One who thinks, "I am God," cannot be a representative. Because we are part and parcel of God, our qualities are the same as His, and therefore if we study these qualities in ourselves, we come to learn something of God. This does not mean that we understand the quantity of God. This self-realization process is one way of understanding God, but in no case can we preach, "I am God." We cannot claim to be God without being able to display the powers of God. As far as Krishna is concerned, He proved that He was God by displaying so much power and by revealing His universal form to Arjuna. Krishna showed this awesome form in order to discourage people who would claim to be God. We should not be fooled by one who claims to be God; following in the footsteps of Arjuna, we should request to see the universal form before accepting anyone as God. Only a fool would accept another fool as God."

Krishna is an authoritative, historical figure in the world. Do you deny this? Why not listen to what he has to say and then judge if that is Godlike?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Not in this case though...wouldn't you say life is the best teacher where consciousness is concerned? Or would you rather base your opinions on the ideas of others, who are also merely guessing?

The opposite goes as well...you cannot simply absorb knowledge and take it for the truth...that's just as ignorant.

It's just one truth...one aspect of it...

Well I'm no King of India and I'm sure there's something to be learned from Vedic Knowledge...but the truth...I'd rather find my own truth. And no, I'm not very familiar with the Vedanta...doesn't mean I'm wrong and those people a long time ago were right...it's the question that matters...not the answer. Perhaps there isn't even an answer.

The vedas come from Lord Brahma, creator of the universe, and supreme being, an expansion of God.

If you cannot accept that knowledge comes from God, where else can it come from

What does life have to teach you?

The material world is only full of miseries, there is no happiness in the material world, only illusory happiness.

This is the first thing that is described in the vedas, you are a fool if you will not accept intellectual literature. It is still authoritative to this day and taught in colleges in India, and many advanced scholars and philosophers are astounded by the coherence and consistency of this knowledge.


"Formerly, the Vedas were heard by the student from the spiritual master, and thus the Vedas became known as sruti, meaning "that which is heard." In Bhagavad-gita, for example, we see that Arjuna is listening to Krishna on the battlefield. He is not engaged in the study of Vedanta philosophy. We can hear from the Supreme Authority in any place, even in the battlefield.

The knowledge is received, not manufactured. Some people think, "Why should I listen to Him? I can think for myself. I can manufacture something new." This is not the Vedic process of descending knowledge. By ascending knowledge, one tries to elevate himself by his own effort, but by descending knowledge one receives the knowledge from a superior source. In the Vedic tradition, knowledge is imparted to the student from the spiritual master, as in Bhagavad-gita (evaa parampara-praptam imaa rajarnayo viduu [Bg. 4.2]). Submissive hearing is so powerful that simply by hearing from authoritative sources we can become completely perfect. In becoming submissive, we become aware of our own imperfections. As long as we are conditioned, we are subject to four kinds of imperfections: we are sure to commit mistakes, to become illusioned, to have imperfect senses and to cheat. Therefore our attempt to understand the Absolute Truth by our faulty senses and experience is futile. We must hear from a representative of God who is a devotee of God's. Krishna made Arjuna His representative because Arjuna was His devotee: bhakto 'si me sakha ceti. (Bg. 4.3)

No one can become a representative of God without being a devotee of God's. One who thinks, "I am God," cannot be a representative. Because we are part and parcel of God, our qualities are the same as His, and therefore if we study these qualities in ourselves, we come to learn something of God. This does not mean that we understand the quantity of God. This self-realization process is one way of understanding God, but in no case can we preach, "I am God." We cannot claim to be God without being able to display the powers of God. As far as Krishna is concerned, He proved that He was God by displaying so much power and by revealing His universal form to Arjuna. Krishna showed this awesome form in order to discourage people who would claim to be God. We should not be fooled by one who claims to be God; following in the footsteps of Arjuna, we should request to see the universal form before accepting anyone as God. Only a fool would accept another fool as God."

Krishna is an authoritative, historical figure in the world. Do you deny this? Why not listen to what he has to say and then judge if that is Godlike?

 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Hmmm do you experience consciousness without life? Do you ask yourself these questions when you're dead? It doesn't matter where it comes from...it's not something you learned from your own experience...

And HOW exactly do you know this...have you experienced this happiness outside of the existence you're leading now?

You're a fool if you take something at face-value...always question...just because it's written down somewhere doesn't automatically make it true...that's the whole point of life...to find your own truths. And somehow because it's studied by scholars and philosophers, who agree with its contents, it's true? Did you every have thoughts of your own regarding consciousness? I'm a little bit inebriated right now, so I might come across a bit harsh and my ability to digest information isn't at peak capacity...so I'll do us both a favor and I'll come back to this thread tomorrow... One last thing I'd like to impart though...think for yourself...you might be surprised what you can come up with.

peace
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Not in this case though...wouldn't you say life is the best teacher where consciousness is concerned? Or would you rather base your opinions on the ideas of others, who are also merely guessing?

The opposite goes as well...you cannot simply absorb knowledge and take it for the truth...that's just as ignorant.

It's just one truth...one aspect of it...

Well I'm no King of India and I'm sure there's something to be learned from Vedic Knowledge...but the truth...I'd rather find my own truth. And no, I'm not very familiar with the Vedanta...doesn't mean I'm wrong and those people a long time ago were right...it's the question that matters...not the answer. Perhaps there isn't even an answer.

The vedas come from Lord Brahma, creator of the universe, and supreme being, an expansion of God.

If you cannot accept that knowledge comes from God, where else can it come from

What does life have to teach you?

The material world is only full of miseries, there is no happiness in the material world, only illusory happiness.

This is the first thing that is described in the vedas, you are a fool if you will not accept intellectual literature. It is still authoritative to this day and taught in colleges in India, and many advanced scholars and philosophers are astounded by the coherence and consistency of this knowledge.


"Formerly, the Vedas were heard by the student from the spiritual master, and thus the Vedas became known as sruti, meaning "that which is heard." In Bhagavad-gita, for example, we see that Arjuna is listening to Krishna on the battlefield. He is not engaged in the study of Vedanta philosophy. We can hear from the Supreme Authority in any place, even in the battlefield.

The knowledge is received, not manufactured. Some people think, "Why should I listen to Him? I can think for myself. I can manufacture something new." This is not the Vedic process of descending knowledge. By ascending knowledge, one tries to elevate himself by his own effort, but by descending knowledge one receives the knowledge from a superior source. In the Vedic tradition, knowledge is imparted to the student from the spiritual master, as in Bhagavad-gita (evaa parampara-praptam imaa rajarnayo viduu [Bg. 4.2]). Submissive hearing is so powerful that simply by hearing from authoritative sources we can become completely perfect. In becoming submissive, we become aware of our own imperfections. As long as we are conditioned, we are subject to four kinds of imperfections: we are sure to commit mistakes, to become illusioned, to have imperfect senses and to cheat. Therefore our attempt to understand the Absolute Truth by our faulty senses and experience is futile. We must hear from a representative of God who is a devotee of God's. Krishna made Arjuna His representative because Arjuna was His devotee: bhakto 'si me sakha ceti. (Bg. 4.3)

No one can become a representative of God without being a devotee of God's. One who thinks, "I am God," cannot be a representative. Because we are part and parcel of God, our qualities are the same as His, and therefore if we study these qualities in ourselves, we come to learn something of God. This does not mean that we understand the quantity of God. This self-realization process is one way of understanding God, but in no case can we preach, "I am God." We cannot claim to be God without being able to display the powers of God. As far as Krishna is concerned, He proved that He was God by displaying so much power and by revealing His universal form to Arjuna. Krishna showed this awesome form in order to discourage people who would claim to be God. We should not be fooled by one who claims to be God; following in the footsteps of Arjuna, we should request to see the universal form before accepting anyone as God. Only a fool would accept another fool as God."

Krishna is an authoritative, historical figure in the world. Do you deny this? Why not listen to what he has to say and then judge if that is Godlike?

 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Hmmm do you experience consciousness without life? Do you ask yourself these questions when you're dead? It doesn't matter where it comes from...it's not something you learned from your own experience...

And HOW exactly do you know this...have you experienced this happiness outside of the existence you're leading now?

You're a fool if you take something at face-value...always question...just because it's written down somewhere doesn't automatically make it true...that's the whole point of life...to find your own truths. And somehow because it's studied by scholars and philosophers, who agree with its contents, it's true? Did you every have thoughts of your own regarding consciousness? I'm a little bit inebriated right now, so I might come across a bit harsh and my ability to digest information isn't at peak capacity...so I'll do us both a favor and I'll come back to this thread tomorrow... One last thing I'd like to impart though...think for yourself...you might be surprised what you can come up with.

peace
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The first step in thinking for yourself is first humbling yourself, and then listening. Only in this way can you really decipher whether there is truth or not.

I'm not gonna continue to push the point of descending knowledge, it is authoritative and accepted by any learned person.

I accept that there is a soul in each body, and that without the soul there is no consciousness. No matter how many chemicals you put back in the body, you cannot put a soul back in the body. It has already accepted a new body. We are changing bodies at every moment, our body is never the same from 1 moment to the next. Throughout this experience, I have continued to exist and be conscious. The same thing happens when you die. You will continue to exist.


na tv evaham jatu nasam
na tvam neme janadhipah
na caiva na bhavishyamah
sarve vayam atah param


This means that never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.

The same Vedic truth given to Arjuna is given to all persons in the world who pose themselves as very learned but factually have but a poor fund of knowledge. The Lord says clearly that He Himself, Arjuna and all the kings who are assembled on the battlefield are eternally individual beings and that the Lord is eternally the maintainer of the individual living entities both in their conditioned and in their liberated situations. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme individual person, and Arjuna, the Lord's eternal associate, and all the kings assembled there are individual eternal persons. It is not that they did not exist as individuals in the past, and it is not that they will not remain eternal persons. Their individuality existed in the past, and their individuality will continue in the future without interruption. Therefore, there is no cause for lamentation for anyone.

Go sober up a bit and then maybe you can come to the realization that you don't always have the answers by yourself and never will. There is aways greater authority.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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Not in this case though...wouldn't you say life is the best teacher where consciousness is concerned? Or would you rather base your opinions on the ideas of others, who are also merely guessing?

The opposite goes as well...you cannot simply absorb knowledge and take it for the truth...that's just as ignorant.

It's just one truth...one aspect of it...

Well I'm no King of India and I'm sure there's something to be learned from Vedic Knowledge...but the truth...I'd rather find my own truth. And no, I'm not very familiar with the Vedanta...doesn't mean I'm wrong and those people a long time ago were right...it's the question that matters...not the answer. Perhaps there isn't even an answer.

The vedas come from Lord Brahma, creator of the universe, and supreme being, an expansion of God.

If you cannot accept that knowledge comes from God, where else can it come from

What does life have to teach you?

The material world is only full of miseries, there is no happiness in the material world, only illusory happiness.

This is the first thing that is described in the vedas, you are a fool if you will not accept intellectual literature. It is still authoritative to this day and taught in colleges in India, and many advanced scholars and philosophers are astounded by the coherence and consistency of this knowledge.


"Formerly, the Vedas were heard by the student from the spiritual master, and thus the Vedas became known as sruti, meaning "that which is heard." In Bhagavad-gita, for example, we see that Arjuna is listening to Krishna on the battlefield. He is not engaged in the study of Vedanta philosophy. We can hear from the Supreme Authority in any place, even in the battlefield.

The knowledge is received, not manufactured. Some people think, "Why should I listen to Him? I can think for myself. I can manufacture something new." This is not the Vedic process of descending knowledge. By ascending knowledge, one tries to elevate himself by his own effort, but by descending knowledge one receives the knowledge from a superior source. In the Vedic tradition, knowledge is imparted to the student from the spiritual master, as in Bhagavad-gita (evaa parampara-praptam imaa rajarnayo viduu [Bg. 4.2]). Submissive hearing is so powerful that simply by hearing from authoritative sources we can become completely perfect. In becoming submissive, we become aware of our own imperfections. As long as we are conditioned, we are subject to four kinds of imperfections: we are sure to commit mistakes, to become illusioned, to have imperfect senses and to cheat. Therefore our attempt to understand the Absolute Truth by our faulty senses and experience is futile. We must hear from a representative of God who is a devotee of God's. Krishna made Arjuna His representative because Arjuna was His devotee: bhakto 'si me sakha ceti. (Bg. 4.3)

No one can become a representative of God without being a devotee of God's. One who thinks, "I am God," cannot be a representative. Because we are part and parcel of God, our qualities are the same as His, and therefore if we study these qualities in ourselves, we come to learn something of God. This does not mean that we understand the quantity of God. This self-realization process is one way of understanding God, but in no case can we preach, "I am God." We cannot claim to be God without being able to display the powers of God. As far as Krishna is concerned, He proved that He was God by displaying so much power and by revealing His universal form to Arjuna. Krishna showed this awesome form in order to discourage people who would claim to be God. We should not be fooled by one who claims to be God; following in the footsteps of Arjuna, we should request to see the universal form before accepting anyone as God. Only a fool would accept another fool as God."

Krishna is an authoritative, historical figure in the world. Do you deny this? Why not listen to what he has to say and then judge if that is Godlike?

 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Hmmm do you experience consciousness without life? Do you ask yourself these questions when you're dead? It doesn't matter where it comes from...it's not something you learned from your own experience...

And HOW exactly do you know this...have you experienced this happiness outside of the existence you're leading now?

You're a fool if you take something at face-value...always question...just because it's written down somewhere doesn't automatically make it true...that's the whole point of life...to find your own truths. And somehow because it's studied by scholars and philosophers, who agree with its contents, it's true? Did you every have thoughts of your own regarding consciousness? I'm a little bit inebriated right now, so I might come across a bit harsh and my ability to digest information isn't at peak capacity...so I'll do us both a favor and I'll come back to this thread tomorrow... One last thing I'd like to impart though...think for yourself...you might be surprised what you can come up with.

peace
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The first step in thinking for yourself is first humbling yourself, and then listening. Only in this way can you really decipher whether there is truth or not.

I'm not gonna continue to push the point of descending knowledge, it is authoritative and accepted by any learned person.



Go sober up a bit and then maybe you can come to the realization that you don't always have the answers and never will. There is aways greater authority.
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Hmmm okay...I should prolly not reply...but have YOU listened to me? What makes MY theory any less valid than those given by those vedic scholars...have they mysteriously travelled around the universe, learning it's ways in ways we mere mortals can not? I'm not saying that what I believe/think is true... There's nothing wrong with being humble, but there's also something like being gullible (not the word I'm looking for, but English isn't my native language). And letting others think isn't a good thing, in most cases anyway. You say I should listen...I say you should listen to the multitude of people that don't adhere to your beliefs and consequently reach a conclusion of your own. The truth is in the middle somewhere most of the time. There are more philosophies out there, you know....This isn't a discussion, because you bring no arguments disproving my theory to the table...this is you trying to push your beliefs on others...

Furhtermore you're implying that anyone that disagrees with you isn't a "learned" person...how do you come to this conclusion?

Indeed there is...there's always someone who thinks they know it better and have all the answers..that's what I meant when I said "It's the question that matters, not the answer" There isn't just ONE answer...it all depends on what you believe.
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Not in this case though...wouldn't you say life is the best teacher where consciousness is concerned? Or would you rather base your opinions on the ideas of others, who are also merely guessing?

The opposite goes as well...you cannot simply absorb knowledge and take it for the truth...that's just as ignorant.

It's just one truth...one aspect of it...

Well I'm no King of India and I'm sure there's something to be learned from Vedic Knowledge...but the truth...I'd rather find my own truth. And no, I'm not very familiar with the Vedanta...doesn't mean I'm wrong and those people a long time ago were right...it's the question that matters...not the answer. Perhaps there isn't even an answer.

The vedas come from Lord Brahma, creator of the universe, and supreme being, an expansion of God.

If you cannot accept that knowledge comes from God, where else can it come from

What does life have to teach you?

The material world is only full of miseries, there is no happiness in the material world, only illusory happiness.

This is the first thing that is described in the vedas, you are a fool if you will not accept intellectual literature. It is still authoritative to this day and taught in colleges in India, and many advanced scholars and philosophers are astounded by the coherence and consistency of this knowledge.


"Formerly, the Vedas were heard by the student from the spiritual master, and thus the Vedas became known as sruti, meaning "that which is heard." In Bhagavad-gita, for example, we see that Arjuna is listening to Krishna on the battlefield. He is not engaged in the study of Vedanta philosophy. We can hear from the Supreme Authority in any place, even in the battlefield.

The knowledge is received, not manufactured. Some people think, "Why should I listen to Him? I can think for myself. I can manufacture something new." This is not the Vedic process of descending knowledge. By ascending knowledge, one tries to elevate himself by his own effort, but by descending knowledge one receives the knowledge from a superior source. In the Vedic tradition, knowledge is imparted to the student from the spiritual master, as in Bhagavad-gita (evaa parampara-praptam imaa rajarnayo viduu [Bg. 4.2]). Submissive hearing is so powerful that simply by hearing from authoritative sources we can become completely perfect. In becoming submissive, we become aware of our own imperfections. As long as we are conditioned, we are subject to four kinds of imperfections: we are sure to commit mistakes, to become illusioned, to have imperfect senses and to cheat. Therefore our attempt to understand the Absolute Truth by our faulty senses and experience is futile. We must hear from a representative of God who is a devotee of God's. Krishna made Arjuna His representative because Arjuna was His devotee: bhakto 'si me sakha ceti. (Bg. 4.3)

No one can become a representative of God without being a devotee of God's. One who thinks, "I am God," cannot be a representative. Because we are part and parcel of God, our qualities are the same as His, and therefore if we study these qualities in ourselves, we come to learn something of God. This does not mean that we understand the quantity of God. This self-realization process is one way of understanding God, but in no case can we preach, "I am God." We cannot claim to be God without being able to display the powers of God. As far as Krishna is concerned, He proved that He was God by displaying so much power and by revealing His universal form to Arjuna. Krishna showed this awesome form in order to discourage people who would claim to be God. We should not be fooled by one who claims to be God; following in the footsteps of Arjuna, we should request to see the universal form before accepting anyone as God. Only a fool would accept another fool as God."

Krishna is an authoritative, historical figure in the world. Do you deny this? Why not listen to what he has to say and then judge if that is Godlike?

 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Hmmm do you experience consciousness without life? Do you ask yourself these questions when you're dead? It doesn't matter where it comes from...it's not something you learned from your own experience...

And HOW exactly do you know this...have you experienced this happiness outside of the existence you're leading now?

You're a fool if you take something at face-value...always question...just because it's written down somewhere doesn't automatically make it true...that's the whole point of life...to find your own truths. And somehow because it's studied by scholars and philosophers, who agree with its contents, it's true? Did you every have thoughts of your own regarding consciousness? I'm a little bit inebriated right now, so I might come across a bit harsh and my ability to digest information isn't at peak capacity...so I'll do us both a favor and I'll come back to this thread tomorrow... One last thing I'd like to impart though...think for yourself...you might be surprised what you can come up with.

peace
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The first step in thinking for yourself is first humbling yourself, and then listening. Only in this way can you really decipher whether there is truth or not.

I'm not gonna continue to push the point of descending knowledge, it is authoritative and accepted by any learned person.



Go sober up a bit and then maybe you can come to the realization that you don't always have the answers and never will. There is aways greater authority.
 Quoting: SaveTheOceans


Hmmm okay...I should prolly not reply...but have YOU listened to me? What makes MY theory any less valid than those given by those vedic scholars...have they mysteriously travelled around the universe, learning it's ways in ways we mere mortals can not?

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Yes.

I'm not saying that what I believe/think is true... There's nothing wrong with being humble, but there's also something like being gullible (not the word I'm looking for, but English isn't my native language). And letting others think isn't a good thing, in most cases anyway. You say I should listen...I say you should listen to the multitude of people that don't adhere to your beliefs and consequently reach a conclusion of your own.

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What beliefs have I tried to push on you? I have simply requested you look over the thousands of verses of truth that has to be discerned within. There is always room for healthy skepticism, but not cynicism.

The truth is in the middle somewhere most of the time. There are more philosophies out there, you know....This isn't a discussion, because you bring no arguments disproving my theory to the table...this is you trying to push your beliefs on others...
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How do you know if any of these philosophies disagree when you have not even bothered to try to read? The translations are available in many languages and you can probably read one localized for your native tongue.

Furhtermore you're implying that anyone that disagrees with you isn't a "learned" person...how do you come to this conclusion?
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I am not representing me in a singular way, this line of knowledges goes back AT LEAST 3,000 years. What makes you think that you are so good that you already have a headstart on 3,000 years worth of scholarly overview? The proponents of Gaudiya-vaishnavism are not some sectarian religious freaks.

You are making accusations on an entire line of scholars and great souls who have done much to advance society, without even trying to humble yourself.

Indeed there is...there's always someone who thinks they know it better and have all the answers..that's what I meant when I said "It's the question that matters, not the answer" There isn't just ONE answer...it all depends on what you believe.
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What is the answer to 1+1? It is 2.That is factual. That is intelligence.

You cannot believe 1+1=3, because that is not factual.

Similarly, learned men have examined the facts of life, and are freely offering this information at no cost to you, the only loss you have is your time.

I follow a line of knowledge coming from Acaryas, a word meaning "Those who teach by example".

For instance, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was alive in india around 500 years ago. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

His learning, grammar, and argumentation skills were second to none and he was responsible for a major philosophical revolution, which freed the people from the false idea of Caste by birth instead of Caste by qualities.

Submitting to Descending knowledge does not mean you stop critically thinking for yourself, infact it means you have just started.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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I have found the dutch version of the Bhagavad-gita as it is. I hope it is dutch that you speak, if not I can help you find the correct language.

[link to www.scribd.com]

Please sincerely look at this and try to discern for yourself, do not take my word for it. My word is worthless!
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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Thanks for the link...I'll look into it...hmm better bookmark it...hope this thread will be around for awhile.
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Thanks for the link...I'll look into it...hmm better bookmark it...hope this thread will be around for awhile.
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You are welcome. As you can see they have spent much time translating this into many languages, what for? Just to benefit everyone else, they distribute these books on the street to the people who need them most, and only ask a donation, many times people get books for free, and sometimes 1 guy can pay for books for 300 people. That is how it works.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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Thanks for the link...I'll look into it...hmm better bookmark it...hope this thread will be around for awhile.
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You are welcome. As you can see they have spent much time translating this into many languages, what for? Just to benefit everyone else, they distribute these books on the street to the people who need them most, and only ask a donation, many times people get books for free, and sometimes 1 guy can pay for books for 300 people. That is how it works.
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Well you have to admit...most religious texts are translated into many different languages. Yeah I gotta have the last word...sorry can't help it, part of my nature. But thanks again and I will come back to this thread.
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Consciousness is the FEELING OF KNOWING, ask
Oliver Sachs, Antonio Damasio and Krishnamurti while you are at it.


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Thanks for the link...I'll look into it...hmm better bookmark it...hope this thread will be around for awhile.
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You are welcome. As you can see they have spent much time translating this into many languages, what for? Just to benefit everyone else, they distribute these books on the street to the people who need them most, and only ask a donation, many times people get books for free, and sometimes 1 guy can pay for books for 300 people. That is how it works.
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Well you have to admit...most religious texts are translated into many different languages. Yeah I gotta have the last word...sorry can't help it, part of my nature. But thanks again and I will come back to this thread.
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This is philosophy. This is sanatana-dharma, or the eternal religion propounded upon by philosophers, not speculators.

"As far as Vedic religion is concerned, it is not for the Hindus; it is for all living entities. That is the first thing to be understood. Vedic religion is called sanatana-dharma, "the eternal occupation of the living entity." The living entity is sanatana [eternal], God is sanatana, and there is sanatana-dharma. Sanätana-dharma is meant for all living entities, not just the so-called Hindus. Hinduism, this "ism," that "ism"—these are all misconception. Historically, sanatana-dharma was followed regularly in India, and Indians were called "Hindus" by the Muslims. The Muslims saw that the Indians lived on the other side of the River Sind, and the Muslims pronounced Sind as Hind. Therefore they called India "Hindustan" and the people who lived there "Hindus." But the word Hindu has no reference in the Vedic literature, nor does so-called Hindu dharma. Now that sanätana-dharma, or Vedic dharma, is being distorted, not being obeyed, not being carried out properly, it has come to be known as Hinduism. But that is a freak understanding; that is not a real understanding. We have to study sanätana-dharma as it is described in the Bhagavad-gétä and other Vedic literatures; then we'll understand what Vedic religion is."
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Lower your awareness to 1 cps.

In the voing of nothingness lies consciousness. Christ is light, everything else is BS. It can not be described.
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How many times do you breath per minute?.
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I think the human brain evolved to sense consciousness no different then the eyes evolving to sense light:

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