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RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!!

 
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Just went to Mirriam webster online dictionary.

1. Typed "Natural citizen" into the search. It was not recognized, instead the search offered me "natural selection".

2. Typed "Natural Born". I was directed to a page claiming that if I wished to see the definition for "Natural-born" (note hyphen included here), that I would have to sign up for an account.

3. Typed "Naturalized". I received a complete and accurate set of definitions for the word, no membership required.

4. Typed "Natural-born" (hyphen included this time in search box). Sent to "sign up" screen.

It is a free 14 day trial, but you need a credit card. I COULD do this, BUT, not sure if I want to leave that particular breadcrumb.

deep rabbit hole here.
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[link to www.onelook.com]

Seven Hits from onelook.com which searches 40 online dictionaries.

First one is from Macmillan dictionary which offers an unrelated definition for natural-born

1. showing a particular ability or tendency from an early age

I will check out the other six now.
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2. no definition

3. 1997 unabridged random house

1. native-born.

2. by virtue of one's nature, qualities, or innate talent: a natural-born musician.

4. Dictionary.com shows same definition as #3 above.

5. Cambridge online dictionary.

natural-born ;informal

having the qualities and abilities which you need in order to be good at doing a particular thing

"Carl was a natural-born salesman, and quickly expanded the company's world-wide sales." [always before noun]

6. Wikipedia

7. The Freedictionary.com site does not list their source for the definition below.

adj. being as specified through one's birth. "a natural-born Irishman"
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There are many public and private libraries that actually ORDER the REAL ENGLISH OXFORD DICTIONARIES - yes, that huge thing that takes up about 4 square feet for the dictionary and it's stand and supplements - and costs well over $3500 to buy (initially) and a fee annually for the updates, too. This is the DEFINITIVE SOURCE FOR THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Sorry but ONLINE DICTIONARIES will not DO FOR THIS PURPOSE. They can scrub them all they want. I'll use NOTHING BUT THE REAL SOURCE - THE OLDEST AND THE STANDARD FOR nearly 400 years! Any half-way decent attorney fighting this case would also go to this as a source to avoid any "false entries" being made by O or his supporters! While some lesser online editions of various dictionaries may be changed or updated easily - not so the OED. That's why it's HUGE (now a 20 volume set) and considered the Greatest Work of Dictionary Making ever undertaken by man"

The UNABRIDGED OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY:

The Oxford English Dictionary has been hailed as "the greatest work in dictionary making ever undertaken" by the New York Times. When the 20-volume second edition was published in 1989, Time magazine called it "an inexhaustible record of what we have written and the foundation for what we may yet come to invent."


There are those of us still living who prefer going to real books (dust and all) to look up various items and things of great importance.
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WHERE's the PROOF that "natural born citizen" was EVER listed as a headword in online dictionaries?? Seems to me that this discussion should have started there.1dunno1
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WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!
 Quoting: Revolution


I feel very sorry for America - what a great country it once was and still can be, but you said the correct words. Wake up!! Look at Egypt for example, we were on the edge of total collapse and yes we have not perfect everything and we must work now many years, but at least we are starting to take our country back, it's OURS, and a President works for us, not us for them.

America will go completely down if you don't stand up for your rights and always remember, you all must unite on one common ground. Not argue like little kids about small things or say you are this or you are yellow in the face, you are all American. The powers are oppressing you, like any other country in the Middle East. Don't be fooled.

"Where the government fears it's people, there is freedom, where the people fear it's government, there is tyranny"
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Just went to Mirriam webster online dictionary.

1. Typed "Natural citizen" into the search. It was not recognized, instead the search offered me "natural selection".

2. Typed "Natural Born". I was directed to a page claiming that if I wished to see the definition for "Natural-born" (note hyphen included here), that I would have to sign up for an account.

3. Typed "Naturalized". I received a complete and accurate set of definitions for the word, no membership required.

4. Typed "Natural-born" (hyphen included this time in search box). Sent to "sign up" screen.

It is a free 14 day trial, but you need a credit card. I COULD do this, BUT, not sure if I want to leave that particular breadcrumb.

deep rabbit hole here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372455


[link to www.onelook.com]

Seven Hits from onelook.com which searches 40 online dictionaries.

First one is from Macmillan dictionary which offers an unrelated definition for natural-born

1. showing a particular ability or tendency from an early age

I will check out the other six now.
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2. no definition

3. 1997 unabridged random house

1. native-born.

2. by virtue of one's nature, qualities, or innate talent: a natural-born musician.

4. Dictionary.com shows same definition as #3 above.

5. Cambridge online dictionary.

natural-born ;informal

having the qualities and abilities which you need in order to be good at doing a particular thing

"Carl was a natural-born salesman, and quickly expanded the company's world-wide sales." [always before noun]

6. Wikipedia

7. The Freedictionary.com site does not list their source for the definition below. CORRECTED BELOW

adj. being as specified through one's birth. "a natural-born Irishman"
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Freedictionary.com The main source of TheFreeDictionary's general English dictionary is Houghton Mifflin's premier dictionary, the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.
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Get over it already. This is last weeks news. It's not a conspiracy. John McCain isn't a natural born citizen. Fuck, I'm sick of this, If your going to be racist about it, then man up and be fucking racist. Get over this stupid birth certificate shit already.
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That 1997 random house definition of natural-born gives lays out the principle axioms.

"by virtue of one's nature, qualities, or innate talent."

A person can be born to a native born mother and father who love their country and seek to inculcate such love to their child, and yet STILL somewhere along the way the child may covertly or "inwardly" choose loyalty against his native country and thus by his NATURE at that moment, he is set in opposition to where his birth country, and is thus may be "natural-born" in word, but not in spirit.

The general rule is that a child born to 2 native born parents or 2 naturalized citizens is more likely to accept the parents values and thus their nature and qualities will be that of a "natural" born citizen.

It is a safeguard at best, but better than nothing.

Native born usually leads to "natural born" as long as there are 2 natural born parents conferring values. When it does not, it is more the exception than the rule. Of course we see how many American youth have fallen to communism....
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So the google index changed and now shows a lot of conspiracy shit? Doesn't that just mean a lot of people are talking about it and those pages get more visits and so rank higher in googles index?

Natural born citizen are 3 words by the way. Do dictionaries have a lot of those in their list?
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I just had a terrible thought, where is the Original Constitution of the United States located?, would it be conceivable that they would try and alter it in any way?
 Quoting: He Might Be Right?

It's (supposedly) in Washington, D.C. along with the original Declaration of Independence. I recall years ago seeing a special on TV about how their display cases were designed to withdraw into deep underground vaults that would survive a nuclear strike if word of incoming Russian nuclear missiles was announced.

Now.. suppose there's a low-yield nuclear false flag in D.C., so there was no warning and they didn't have time to be lowered into their vaults...
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Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
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One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them
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Found this...(not from dictionary,though)


The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a MASSIVE cover-up underway.

BOTH Natural born AND natural born citizen now return NO RESULTS in searches on ALL active online dictionaries, with the sole exception of Wikipedia, redirects to Wikipedia, and quotes from Wikipedia.

::Correction::

[It has been pointed out to me that there are still one or two dictionaries, Oxford in particular, that still has a definition for Natural Born. Natural Born Citizen still seems to be missing.]

Natural Born Citizen

[link to dictionary.cambridge.org]

[link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to www.webster-dictionary.org]

[link to oxforddictionaries.com]

[link to www.onelook.com]

[link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

[link to www.yourdictionary.com]

[link to wordcentral.com]

[link to www.ldoceonline.com]

[link to nhd.heinle.com]

[link to encarta.msn.com]

[link to www.hyperdictionary.com]

[link to www.macmillandictionary.com]

Proof that at least Oxford USED to have a definition:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is some serious shit. Before Obama released his "long form" birth certificate last week, you could go to ANY online dictionary and view the definition of Natural Born Citizen, which is (roughly) as follows:

Nat|u|ral Born (Nach'er el Born', Nach'rel-), adj.

1 That is so by nature, born so: a natural born boxer, a natural born fool. 2 Native of a country; not alien: a natural born citizen or subject.

Photos of my own dictionary, World Book Edition copyright 1981:

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]


The reason this is important is because right now, there is an ongoing debate over at Wikipedia due to the scrubbing of references to Emerich De Vattel's work Law of Nations, right after Obama released his long form.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They have maintained here that since Vattel wrote in French, and his exact wording for Natural-Born is, "Les Naturales ou indigenes" which literally translated would mean "the naturals or natives", Vattel can not be used as a reference for the wording of the Constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizenship. But, Vattel's definition (in English) is as follows:

[link to www.constitution.org]

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Regardless of Vattels original wording, it should be obvious to any critical thinker that if he was talking about "naturals" and defining who they were, it was to take as self explanatory that 1) these individuals had been born, and 2) they were citizens. And considering that natural, native, and Indigenous are all synonymous, It can not be disputed that Vattel was speaking about a person who's citizenship falls naturally upon them by virtue of birth, or to put it another way, a Natural Born Citizen. This work has been cited extensively by our forefathers, as can be witnessed in this video:




There can be NO disputing the fact that the definition of Natural Born Citizen is indeed one who is born to TWO parents, who are BOTH citizens. It is now undeniable that there is a very serious cover-up going on regarding this Constitutional requirement. I wish to point out the VERY RAPID succession of events that occurred over the last week:

April 27th

In response to growing demands to release his long form birth certificate, Obama finally reveals it to the public.

April 3oth

Obama appears in front of guests and on national TV at the White House Correspondence dinner to gloat in triumph over the release of this Long Form Birth Certificate, even as concern grows over the real issue, his Natural Born Citizenship Status.

May 1st

In a MAJOR political move, Obama appears on live TV to announce the death of Osama Bin Laden earlier that day.

People, this is a CUT AND DRY "Wag the Dog" Scenario! Our government has known Bin Laden's whereabouts for at least five years, but they have been keeping him alive for a "Politically Expedient Moment". That moment came last Sunday, and was used to distract the publics attention once and for all from his eligibility. The birth certificate NEVER WAS THE ISSUE! And with the disappearance of the definition from online dictionaries, there can be no refuting that SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING!

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH: The REAL issue concerning Obama's eligibility is and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, his Natural Born Status! Since his father was a Kenyan national and NEVER held US citizenship, OBAMA CAN NOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT! The Birth certificate as I have ALWAYS maintained, was a distraction. But since that Distraction was discarded on the 27th, Bin Laden was given to use to replace it! Look at the facts:

Obama created the conspiracy theory about his PLACE OF BIRTH by deliberately refusing to release the long form, for the sole purpose of distracting us from the REAL issue. He let it build for 3 years, going so far as to imprison Terrence Lakin for demanding proof of Obama's eligibility. Focus began to shift this spring to the Natural Born requirement, and people began to point out the fact that he does not meet this requirement. When he finally released the Birth Certificate, he stated quite explicitly that “I know that theres going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest”. After a moment of triumph, Obama delivers up to us another mystery. Osama Bin Laden is dead, but we disposed of the body, and we WILL NOT be releasing any photographic proof of our claim. He then goes on to state that, "There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is you won't see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

This is THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO he used with the Birth Certificate! He has created a second distraction to keep you away from his eligibility. The refusal to provide evidence of Bin Ladens death WILL create conspiracy theories, and THAT is what Obama is hedging his bets on. He has given us Bin Laden to keep us distracted!

IT'S A FUCKING COVER-UP, PEOPLE!
 Quoting: Revolution


According to your logic, over 60% of Americians that were born and have grew up in the U.S. of A are now alien immigrants and I'm only 3/4 of a natural born citizen.

THANKS TO YOU, I'm a fraction.
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Was the definition there before in all those dictionaries?
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Open up your home dictionary and check others your friends might have good grief show some concern and initiative, pick up the Constitution.

Natural born citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


"pick up the Constitution", LOL, last year I bought 60 of them(small pocket size) and passed them out to family and friends.

What I want to know is was the definition of natural born citizen in the online dictionaries before?
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NOT ALL ARE DELETED AS OF YET...Found this one:

Natural-born citizen

Natural-born citizen is a term used in some countries to describe a certain kind of citizenship in terms of a requirement for eligibility to serve as head of state of a given country. It is mentioned in the United States Constitution as a requirement for the President and Vice President of the US.

US constitutional definition

The United States Constitution does not define the term "natural born citizen"; however, it does confer on Congress the power: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization."

Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

the rest at link:

[link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

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then quick go here: [link to www.gpoaccess.gov]

and save and download page S3645 and S3646

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE S3645 April 30, 2008

Click on the circle for 2008, and in the Search Box enter the Senate Page Number during which the issue was addressed. That is, type in S3645 and click the “Submit” button. The page will be downloaded as a pdf."

those two pages have everything that you need to prove the natural born thing straight out of the Senators' mouths from the McCain eligibility hearing

posted these excerpts from that hearing on another GLP thread, and there is lots more from those two pages that you can use.

"excerpt from the Congressional Record on McCain's eligibility:

"Numerous legal scholars have looked
into the purpose and intent of the
‘‘natural born Citizen’’ requirement. As
far as I am aware, no one has discov-
ered any reason to think that the
Framers would have wanted to limit
the rights of children born to Ameri-
cans abroad or that such a limited view
would serve any noble purpose en-
shrined in our founding document.
Based on the understanding of the per-
tinent sources of constitutional mean-
ing, it is widely believed that if some-
one is born to American citizens any-
where in the world they are natural
born citizens. "

"MARCH 19, 2008.
We have analyzed whether Senator John
McCain is eligible for the U.S. Presidency, in
light of the requirement under Article II of
the U.S. Constitution that only ‘‘natural
born Citizen[s] . . . shall be eligible to the
Office of President.’’ U.S. Const. art. II, § 1,
cl. 5. We conclude that Senator McCain is a
‘natural born Citizen’’ by virtue of his birth
in 1936 to U.S. citizen parents who were serv-
ing their country on a U.S. military base in
the Panama Canal Zone. The circumstances
of Senator McCain’s birth satisfy the origi-
nal meaning and intent of the Natural Born
Citizen Clause, as confirmed by subsequent
legal precedent and historical practice.
The Constitution does not define the mean-
ing of ‘‘natural born Citizen.’’ The U.S. Su-
preme Court gives meaning to terms that are
not expressly defined in the Constitution by
looking to the context in which those terms
are used; to statutes enacted by the First
Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783,
790–91 (1983); and to the common law at the
time of the Founding. United States v. Wong
Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These
sources all confirm that the phrase ‘‘natural
born’’ includes both birth abroad to parents
who were citizens, and birth within a na-
tion’s territory and allegiance. Thus, regard-
less of the sovereign status of the Panama
Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain’s
birth, he is a ‘‘natural born’’ citizen because
he was born to parents who were U.S. citi-
zens. "
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Page S3646 is coming up as an error page... can you upload it to mediafire or some other free file share site?

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There are many public and private libraries that actually ORDER the REAL ENGLISH OXFORD DICTIONARIES - yes, that huge thing that takes up about 4 square feet for the dictionary and it's stand and supplements - and costs well over $3500 to buy (initially) and a fee annually for the updates, too. This is the DEFINITIVE SOURCE FOR THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Sorry but ONLINE DICTIONARIES will not DO FOR THIS PURPOSE. They can scrub them all they want. I'll use NOTHING BUT THE REAL SOURCE - THE OLDEST AND THE STANDARD FOR nearly 400 years! Any half-way decent attorney fighting this case would also go to this as a source to avoid any "false entries" being made by O or his supporters! While some lesser online editions of various dictionaries may be changed or updated easily - not so the OED. That's why it's HUGE (now a 20 volume set) and considered the Greatest Work of Dictionary Making ever undertaken by man"

The UNABRIDGED OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY:

The Oxford English Dictionary has been hailed as "the greatest work in dictionary making ever undertaken" by the New York Times. When the 20-volume second edition was published in 1989, Time magazine called it "an inexhaustible record of what we have written and the foundation for what we may yet come to invent."


There are those of us still living who prefer going to real books (dust and all) to look up various items and things of great importance.
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I own a copy of that, but won't be able to check it until I get home from work tonight.
Three Bribes for the Democrats sneaky and sly,
Seven for the Bankers in their halls of gold,
Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.

One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them,
One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.
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Was the definition there before in all those dictionaries?
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Yes it was. Even up to last week. I have been steadily researching this subject for a few years now, and have read the definition on ALL of the above links. I found this out today because they were all bookmarked, and I wanted to refute the discussion on Wikipedia after they scrubbed the definition from Law Of Nations. As I opened each link, I found that EVERY ONE OF THEM said there was no definition found.

THEY WERE ALL THERE A WEEK AGO!
 Quoting: Revolution



Wow... OP, have you looked at the cached pages from various search engines? You may find some of the old def's that way.

Seriously, you may have uncovered the Achilles Heel.

ochange
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I just went to [link to web.archive.org] (IE:waybackmachine)

Everything comes up empty.

 Quoting: DERAIL


Mary! Jesus and Joseph! What in *the* hell is going on?

I've been up a while attempting to enjoy my coffee while catching up on this thread. Needless-to-say I did *not* sleep well last night and any and all farming for the day has come to a complete and utter standstill as my "over breakfast" announcement of the contents of this thread has incensed the occupants of my household beyond their capacity to cope. Phone calls to Congressmen and Senators is underway as well as a call to the Texas State Attorney General to get some damn clarity on just why nothing is being done to stop this usurper. I doubt that once my mother's office door opens that we will have any solid information or knowledge of a plan of attack to oust this foreigner from office. But one thing is for certain, no one was calling me "fringe" this morning.
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WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!
 Quoting: Revolution


I feel very sorry for America - what a great country it once was and still can be, but you said the correct words. Wake up!! Look at Egypt for example, we were on the edge of total collapse and yes we have not perfect everything and we must work now many years, but at least we are starting to take our country back, it's OURS, and a President works for us, not us for them.

America will go completely down if you don't stand up for your rights and always remember, you all must unite on one common ground. Not argue like little kids about small things or say you are this or you are yellow in the face, you are all American. The powers are oppressing you, like any other country in the Middle East. Don't be fooled.

"Where the government fears it's people, there is freedom, where the people fear it's government, there is tyranny"
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Thank you Egypt hf
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Hey Scrump!...I just had a terrible thought, where is the Original Constitution of the United States located?, would it be conceivable that they would try and alter it in any way?
 Quoting: He Might Be Right?


Official:

[link to www.archives.gov]

And on the site [link to constitution.org] (which loads fine, and I've used before).

But strangely, when you click on the link to the actual Constitution on the site [link to www.constitution.org] you get:

Warning: Something's Not Right Here!

www.constitution.org contains content from globalpoweringgathering.com, a site known to distribute malware.

Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site.

Google has found malicious software may be installed onto your computer if you proceed.

If you've visited this site in the past or you trust this site, it's possible that it has just recently been compromised by a hacker.

You should not proceed, and perhaps try again tomorrow or go somewhere else.

And a warning from Eset that it's blocked the HTML/ScrInject.B.Gen virus.

On Constitution.org???

wtf
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan

This just keeps getting worse.

And my coffee gives me no comfort this morning at all.

agumball
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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a MASSIVE cover-up underway.

BOTH Natural born AND natural born citizen now return NO RESULTS in searches on ALL active online dictionaries, with the sole exception of Wikipedia, redirects to Wikipedia, and quotes from Wikipedia.

::Correction::

[It has been pointed out to me that there are still one or two dictionaries, Oxford in particular, that still has a definition for Natural Born. Natural Born Citizen still seems to be missing.]

Natural Born Citizen

[link to dictionary.cambridge.org]

[link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to www.webster-dictionary.org]

[link to oxforddictionaries.com]

[link to www.onelook.com]

[link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

[link to www.yourdictionary.com]

[link to wordcentral.com]

[link to www.ldoceonline.com]

[link to nhd.heinle.com]

[link to encarta.msn.com]

[link to www.hyperdictionary.com]

[link to www.macmillandictionary.com]

Proof that at least Oxford USED to have a definition:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is some serious shit. Before Obama released his "long form" birth certificate last week, you could go to ANY online dictionary and view the definition of Natural Born Citizen, which is (roughly) as follows:

Nat|u|ral Born (Nach'er el Born', Nach'rel-), adj.

1 That is so by nature, born so: a natural born boxer, a natural born fool. 2 Native of a country; not alien: a natural born citizen or subject.

Photos of my own dictionary, World Book Edition copyright 1981:

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]


The reason this is important is because right now, there is an ongoing debate over at Wikipedia due to the scrubbing of references to Emerich De Vattel's work Law of Nations, right after Obama released his long form.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They have maintained here that since Vattel wrote in French, and his exact wording for Natural-Born is, "Les Naturales ou indigenes" which literally translated would mean "the naturals or natives", Vattel can not be used as a reference for the wording of the Constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizenship. But, Vattel's definition (in English) is as follows:

[link to www.constitution.org]

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Regardless of Vattels original wording, it should be obvious to any critical thinker that if he was talking about "naturals" and defining who they were, it was to take as self explanatory that 1) these individuals had been born, and 2) they were citizens. And considering that natural, native, and Indigenous are all synonymous, It can not be disputed that Vattel was speaking about a person who's citizenship falls naturally upon them by virtue of birth, or to put it another way, a Natural Born Citizen. This work has been cited extensively by our forefathers, as can be witnessed in this video:




There can be NO disputing the fact that the definition of Natural Born Citizen is indeed one who is born to TWO parents, who are BOTH citizens. It is now undeniable that there is a very serious cover-up going on regarding this Constitutional requirement. I wish to point out the VERY RAPID succession of events that occurred over the last week:

April 27th

In response to growing demands to release his long form birth certificate, Obama finally reveals it to the public.

April 3oth

Obama appears in front of guests and on national TV at the White House Correspondence dinner to gloat in triumph over the release of this Long Form Birth Certificate, even as concern grows over the real issue, his Natural Born Citizenship Status.

May 1st

In a MAJOR political move, Obama appears on live TV to announce the death of Osama Bin Laden earlier that day.

People, this is a CUT AND DRY "Wag the Dog" Scenario! Our government has known Bin Laden's whereabouts for at least five years, but they have been keeping him alive for a "Politically Expedient Moment". That moment came last Sunday, and was used to distract the publics attention once and for all from his eligibility. The birth certificate NEVER WAS THE ISSUE! And with the disappearance of the definition from online dictionaries, there can be no refuting that SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING!

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH: The REAL issue concerning Obama's eligibility is and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, his Natural Born Status! Since his father was a Kenyan national and NEVER held US citizenship, OBAMA CAN NOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT! The Birth certificate as I have ALWAYS maintained, was a distraction. But since that Distraction was discarded on the 27th, Bin Laden was given to use to replace it! Look at the facts:

Obama created the conspiracy theory about his PLACE OF BIRTH by deliberately refusing to release the long form, for the sole purpose of distracting us from the REAL issue. He let it build for 3 years, going so far as to imprison Terrence Lakin for demanding proof of Obama's eligibility. Focus began to shift this spring to the Natural Born requirement, and people began to point out the fact that he does not meet this requirement. When he finally released the Birth Certificate, he stated quite explicitly that “I know that theres going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest”. After a moment of triumph, Obama delivers up to us another mystery. Osama Bin Laden is dead, but we disposed of the body, and we WILL NOT be releasing any photographic proof of our claim. He then goes on to state that, "There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is you won't see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

This is THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO he used with the Birth Certificate! He has created a second distraction to keep you away from his eligibility. The refusal to provide evidence of Bin Ladens death WILL create conspiracy theories, and THAT is what Obama is hedging his bets on. He has given us Bin Laden to keep us distracted!

IT'S A FUCKING COVER-UP, PEOPLE!
 Quoting: Revolution


Try looking up the word "Naturalize"
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HEEEEEEY



OVER HEEEEEERE



Maybe since the specific context is used mostly in legal documents, the definition you're looking for might be in a Law dictionary instead of a regular one



Or maybe



people who openly give a shit about this are being tracked

damned
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HEEEEEEY

OVER HEEEEEERE

Maybe since the specific context is used mostly in legal documents, the definition you're looking for might be in a Law dictionary instead of a regular one

Or maybe

people who openly give a shit about this are being tracked

damned
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Pardon me, lurker. :)

Under the definition for "natural-born" in any of my hard copy dictionaries includes a clause as the definition of the term pertains to "citizenship" of a person. This is what is being removed from the online dictionaries - the clause that shows the term "natural-born" as being a definitive way to determine legal citizenship. It is a common term, so the need of a "law" dictionary isn't necessary as my age old Funk & Wagnells has the clause there just as plain as damn day.

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WHERE's the PROOF that "natural born citizen" was EVER listed as a headword in online dictionaries?? Seems to me that this discussion should have started there.1dunno1
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Seems to me that you should read and comprehend the original post:

Quote from OP-

"...Proof that at least Oxford USED to have a definition:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is some serious shit. Before Obama released his "long form" birth certificate last week, you could go to ANY online dictionary and view the definition of Natural Born Citizen, which is (roughly) as follows:

Nat|u|ral Born (Nach'er el Born', Nach'rel-), adj.

1 That is so by nature, born so: a natural born boxer, a natural born fool. 2 Native of a country; not alien: a natural born citizen or subject.

Photos of my own dictionary, World Book Edition copyright 1981:

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

..."

-End quote

He provided proof from one of them. Most of us don't take screenshots of every page we view on the internet. Especially reference sites that ARE NOT expected to change much.

The OP has a genuine situation that he/she discovered. This should serve to open your eyes that Soetoro & Co. are the true enemy of the American people and freedom. In fact, the US Gov. in general is the enemy.

The time for another revolution is at hand. Where will you stand when the blood starts to spill?
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people who openly give a shit about this are being tracked

damned
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What's great is that you can't do shit without proving us all right.

It's grand irony.

oopoly

And PS almost none of us care. The worlds on fire, you might want to catch it. tard

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Not enough to fight, too many to die.
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I guess this means only native american indians are eligible for president.
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This must not go down without a fight. These online references should be properly restored.
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I think you might be on to something.
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What will it accomplish? This thread is pretty silly.
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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a MASSIVE cover-up underway.

BOTH Natural born AND natural born citizen now return NO RESULTS in searches on ALL active online dictionaries, with the sole exception of Wikipedia, redirects to Wikipedia, and quotes from Wikipedia.

::Correction::

[It has been pointed out to me that there are still one or two dictionaries, Oxford in particular, that still has a definition for Natural Born. Natural Born Citizen still seems to be missing.]

Natural Born Citizen

[link to dictionary.cambridge.org]

[link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to www.webster-dictionary.org]

[link to oxforddictionaries.com]

[link to www.onelook.com]

[link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

[link to www.yourdictionary.com]

[link to wordcentral.com]

[link to www.ldoceonline.com]

[link to nhd.heinle.com]

[link to encarta.msn.com]

[link to www.hyperdictionary.com]

[link to www.macmillandictionary.com]

Proof that at least Oxford USED to have a definition:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is some serious shit. Before Obama released his "long form" birth certificate last week, you could go to ANY online dictionary and view the definition of Natural Born Citizen, which is (roughly) as follows:

Nat|u|ral Born (Nach'er el Born', Nach'rel-), adj.

1 That is so by nature, born so: a natural born boxer, a natural born fool. 2 Native of a country; not alien: a natural born citizen or subject.

Photos of my own dictionary, World Book Edition copyright 1981:

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]

[link to i863.photobucket.com]


The reason this is important is because right now, there is an ongoing debate over at Wikipedia due to the scrubbing of references to Emerich De Vattel's work Law of Nations, right after Obama released his long form.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They have maintained here that since Vattel wrote in French, and his exact wording for Natural-Born is, "Les Naturales ou indigenes" which literally translated would mean "the naturals or natives", Vattel can not be used as a reference for the wording of the Constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizenship. But, Vattel's definition (in English) is as follows:

[link to www.constitution.org]

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Regardless of Vattels original wording, it should be obvious to any critical thinker that if he was talking about "naturals" and defining who they were, it was to take as self explanatory that 1) these individuals had been born, and 2) they were citizens. And considering that natural, native, and Indigenous are all synonymous, It can not be disputed that Vattel was speaking about a person who's citizenship falls naturally upon them by virtue of birth, or to put it another way, a Natural Born Citizen. This work has been cited extensively by our forefathers, as can be witnessed in this video:




There can be NO disputing the fact that the definition of Natural Born Citizen is indeed one who is born to TWO parents, who are BOTH citizens. It is now undeniable that there is a very serious cover-up going on regarding this Constitutional requirement. I wish to point out the VERY RAPID succession of events that occurred over the last week:

April 27th

In response to growing demands to release his long form birth certificate, Obama finally reveals it to the public.

April 3oth

Obama appears in front of guests and on national TV at the White House Correspondence dinner to gloat in triumph over the release of this Long Form Birth Certificate, even as concern grows over the real issue, his Natural Born Citizenship Status.

May 1st

In a MAJOR political move, Obama appears on live TV to announce the death of Osama Bin Laden earlier that day.

People, this is a CUT AND DRY "Wag the Dog" Scenario! Our government has known Bin Laden's whereabouts for at least five years, but they have been keeping him alive for a "Politically Expedient Moment". That moment came last Sunday, and was used to distract the publics attention once and for all from his eligibility. The birth certificate NEVER WAS THE ISSUE! And with the disappearance of the definition from online dictionaries, there can be no refuting that SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING!

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH: The REAL issue concerning Obama's eligibility is and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, his Natural Born Status! Since his father was a Kenyan national and NEVER held US citizenship, OBAMA CAN NOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT! The Birth certificate as I have ALWAYS maintained, was a distraction. But since that Distraction was discarded on the 27th, Bin Laden was given to use to replace it! Look at the facts:

Obama created the conspiracy theory about his PLACE OF BIRTH by deliberately refusing to release the long form, for the sole purpose of distracting us from the REAL issue. He let it build for 3 years, going so far as to imprison Terrence Lakin for demanding proof of Obama's eligibility. Focus began to shift this spring to the Natural Born requirement, and people began to point out the fact that he does not meet this requirement. When he finally released the Birth Certificate, he stated quite explicitly that “I know that theres going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest”. After a moment of triumph, Obama delivers up to us another mystery. Osama Bin Laden is dead, but we disposed of the body, and we WILL NOT be releasing any photographic proof of our claim. He then goes on to state that, "There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is you won't see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

This is THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO he used with the Birth Certificate! He has created a second distraction to keep you away from his eligibility. The refusal to provide evidence of Bin Ladens death WILL create conspiracy theories, and THAT is what Obama is hedging his bets on. He has given us Bin Laden to keep us distracted!

IT'S A FUCKING COVER-UP, PEOPLE!
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According to your logic, over 60% of Americians that were born and have grew up in the U.S. of A are now alien immigrants and I'm only 3/4 of a natural born citizen.

THANKS TO YOU, I'm a fraction.
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You are that which you are.

If both your parents were NOT citizens when you were born then:

1. You are not a natural-born citizen
2. You can be a naturalized citizen
3. If you and your spouse are citizen, then your children can be natural-born citizens

It's not like it's derogatory to not be a natural-born citizen...it only excludes someone from ONE job in the entire country.
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According to my findings it has become apparent that at the same time the Obama administration was scrubbing the internet of the term "Natural Born Citizen", "Al-CIAda" claimed that we had indeed killed OBL.

This leads me to believe that Osama’s faked death was only part of a mass distraction to reduce public awareness of the birther Issue and give Obama more political leverage for the 2012 election. They used this time to rid the internet of any trace of birther terminology.

People forget things; expect the story to constantly change in the next few weeks. I expect this to happen because this "Information Overload" will make the sheeple so distraught that they will not take notice to the birther issue.

This reads just like a movie script, OBL is the only person to die twice. Even Jesus couldn't accomplish that.

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

"The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan"

News








We're dropping truth bombs like it's the end of days!