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RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!!

 
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The State Dept determines citizenship, and changes its definition every 10 years or so by adminsitrative whim. The Prez could declare YOU a non citizen just like that... Or he could declare what were non citizens yesterday, to be citizens today...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


You can change the law for citizen requirements at any time, but the constitution spells out the requirements for the president. It would take an amendment to the constitution to change the presidential requirements.
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time to dig out those things called books and start
scanning pages and uploading them...

prove the scrub.
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This

They cant scrub those
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Books have burned before - and they will burn again.
Gone bezerkin...
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The OP's source on US citizenship isnt even a US citizen. lol.
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The child would grow up to be able to fully engage in all aspects of American politics EXCEPT be PRESIDENT. An American president needs to be 100% American (from two AMERICAN parents) so that there is no possibility of dual allegiance or his putting the interests of the other country ahead of America's interests. And WHOM do we know that has been doing THAT for nearly three years?

Arnold Schwartzenegger (a naturalized citizen of foreign birth) was able to become Governor of California, even though he was born in Austria. But he can NEVER be President; that is the only position which has this requirement. Of course, if Obama is allowed to get away with this, the door WOULD be opened then for Mr. S. to run since Obama made the precedent. Who knows? Maybe that's the plan!!
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You forgot Vice-President, who has the same requirement.
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before 'yall worry about the possibility that Obama's father being born in another country might cause some sort of conflict of loyalty, don't you think you ought to worry about the ones that have citizenship in both Israel and the US?

Who do you think they're loyal too?
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Yes, good point.
"The forces of negation and death are now making their all-out suicidal effort. The citizens of the world are helpless in a paranoid panic.
First one thing and then another is seen as the enemy while the real enemy hesitates - perhaps because it looks too easy, like an ambush..."

- William Burroughs, Interzone.
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The State Dept determines citizenship, and changes its definition every 10 years or so by adminsitrative whim. The Prez could declare YOU a non citizen just like that... Or he could declare what were non citizens yesterday, to be citizens today...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


You can change the law for citizen requirements at any time, but the constitution spells out the requirements for the president. It would take an amendment to the constitution to change the presidential requirements.
 Quoting: Fasteddy


Yeah, and a "natural born citizen" or the rough translation from french, is defined by a Swiss philosopher of the 18th C. hehehe.
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The State Dept determines citizenship, and changes its definition every 10 years or so by adminsitrative whim. The Prez could declare YOU a non citizen just like that... Or he could declare what were non citizens yesterday, to be citizens today...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


You can change the law for citizen requirements at any time, but the constitution spells out the requirements for the president. It would take an amendment to the constitution to change the presidential requirements.
 Quoting: Fasteddy


The executive (or the State Dept) can change US citizenship status even for US born, by US born parents (and I dont mean treason). And they have changed it several times over the decades to either disenfranchise or reinfranchise people. Basically when the IRS needs money they scoop up more citizens to exploit. Nice.
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About a year or so ago they scrubbed "Amish and vaccinations" from the internet or rather they changed the info that we read, to make it sound like all Amish vaccinate and the rate of autism is the same as mainstream.

I know this has nothin to do with the subject at hand, but it does show how easy it is and that the sheeple are continually being decieved , soon we wont know up from down, it will be like BIZZARO WORLD
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Every country has slightly different definitions of citizenship. It would be totally misleading to give one definition in a dictionary...
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Your entire "case" is based on just one "evidence": [link to i863.photobucket.com]
but that's too blurry and it does not contain the accused words... Why?
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before 'yall worry about the possibility that Obama's father being born in another country might cause some sort of conflict of loyalty, don't you think you ought to worry about the ones that have citizenship in both Israel and the US?

Who do you think they're loyal too?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1125022


Yes, good point.
 Quoting: Mr Matey


In my world I wish I didnt have to renounce, but wish I was excluded from consideration and membership. I dont want the obligations of US citizenship, I am NOT loyal at all because I grew up elsewhere. I see no priviledges only burdens. But they scooped me up regardless,,, and by your dictionary I could be President. LMAO!!
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The State Dept determines citizenship, and changes its definition every 10 years or so by adminsitrative whim. The Prez could declare YOU a non citizen just like that... Or he could declare what were non citizens yesterday, to be citizens today...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


You can change the law for citizen requirements at any time, but the constitution spells out the requirements for the president. It would take an amendment to the constitution to change the presidential requirements.
 Quoting: Fasteddy


The executive (or the State Dept) can change US citizenship status even for US born, by US born parents (and I dont mean treason). And they have changed it several times over the decades to either disenfranchise or reinfranchise people. Basically when the IRS needs money they scoop up more citizens to exploit. Nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


That could be true, but the president is a special case as his requirements are spelled out in the constitution and the tern natural born is the issue. Courts look at what was meant by the founders and the their intention and that would be both parents citizens
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The State Dept determines citizenship, and changes its definition every 10 years or so by adminsitrative whim. The Prez could declare YOU a non citizen just like that... Or he could declare what were non citizens yesterday, to be citizens today...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


You can change the law for citizen requirements at any time, but the constitution spells out the requirements for the president. It would take an amendment to the constitution to change the presidential requirements.
 Quoting: Fasteddy


The executive (or the State Dept) can change US citizenship status even for US born, by US born parents (and I dont mean treason). And they have changed it several times over the decades to either disenfranchise or reinfranchise people. Basically when the IRS needs money they scoop up more citizens to exploit. Nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


That could be true, but the president is a special case as his requirements are spelled out in the constitution and the tern natural born is the issue. Courts look at what was meant by the founders and the their intention and that would be both parents citizens
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Well, so far the definition of "natural born" as cited by the OP is a Swiss philosopher of note. What's that have to do with the US Constitution or US Presidential qualifications?
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Didn't read through all of the pages, but I dig up a few links that I thought were interesting.

[link to www.scribd.com]

[link to seattle.craigslist.org] (Interesting way to spread the word, might be a great idea.. Wish they had put a hit counter)

[link to www.usconstitution.net]

[link to www.thepostemail.com]

[link to www.wordiq.com]

[link to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com]

[link to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com]

[link to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com]

Hope some of these haven't been posted before.
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[link to www.campaignforliberty.com]

Does this sound familiar? Obama was not the fist to play this role!

Here is just a portion of this article:


HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH - PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH

December 6, 2008 6:36 PM

[I have collaborated on this with my sister and historian Greg Dehler, author of "Chester Allan Arthur", Published by Nova Science Publishers, Incorporated, 2006 ISBN 1600210791, 9781600210792 192 pages. ]

I’ve been forwarded the actual naturalization record for William Arthur on microfiche, obtained from the Library of Congress. He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843.

Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.




From “Gentleman Boss”, page 202 and 203:

“…Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August, Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen. Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was a New Englander who had never left her native country — a statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.”

Arthur’s mother had lived in Canada with her husband and even had her first child there.




Is this the twilight zone?

William Arthur was not a naturalized citizen at the time of Chester Arthur’s birth, and therefore Chester Arthur was a British subject at birth and not eligible to be Vice President or President.

Chester Arthur lied about his father’s emigration to Canada and the time his mother spent there married to William. Some sixty years later, Chester lied about all of this and kept his candidacy on track. Back then it would have been virtually impossible to see through this, especially since Arthur’s father had died in 1875 and had been a United States citizen for thirty-two years.

And without knowledge of his father’s time in Canada, or the proper timeline of events, potential researchers in 1880 would have been hard pressed to even know where to start.

Reeves proved that Arthur changed his birth year from 1829 to 1830. I don’t know if that would have protected recorded information. It’s another lie. I just don’t know what it means.
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This is the finding of the United States Supreme Court, the legal authority for defining terms used in the Constitution, as per the doctrine of checks & balances:

<snip>

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

In this case, Wong Kim Ark, the son of 2 resident Chinese aliens, claimed U.S. Citizenship and was vindicated by the court on the basis of the 14th Amendment. In this case the Justice Gray gave the opinion of the court. On p. 168-9 of the record, He cites approvingly the decision in Minor vs. Happersett:

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

</snip> read more here: [link to www.thepostemail.com]
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You say I could be president, totally disloyal to the US, as cited by the Swiss colonial philosopher Emerich De Vattel, yet a man like Obama who was born and raised in the US cannot. What a jokers you are!
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Oh noes!!
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obama es monitoring los situanos
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•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

I'm not sure why your all annoyed about this natural born citizen status but your question is answered in the very first amendment.
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Tried to find cached pages from google and this is what i got for the oxford dictionary.

There's a cached page for "natural born" but not for "natural born citizen"

that means they have purged the cache as well
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No matter. He's still Indonesian.

Trump has the goods.
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The OP's source on US citizenship isnt even a US citizen. lol.
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Trump is though isn't he?

He won't lay down and play dead like McCain.
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•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

I'm not sure why your all annoyed about this natural born citizen status but your question is answered in the very first amendment.
 Quoting: Dee Licsh 950299


You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better?
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natural born citizen definition

About 632,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Are you trying to make fun of the birthers?
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I think this is serious pheonix......I have a foia requesst to new britain superior court requesting verification of assumed Application regarding the social security number beginning with -042-. I live right down the street from where that number was issued in ct....this is getting nuts....there is a paper trail leading to the Brinks Robberies in the early 80's from a PI. Check it yourself online ull shit ur pants.
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Can u give a link or more info on the Brinks robberies in the "80's please and anything else?
The questions we ask today? WE will have the answer tomorrow!!
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The OP's source on US citizenship isnt even a US citizen. lol.
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Trump is though isn't he?

He won't lay down and play dead like McCain.
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A partisan hack? Thanks for clearing that up...
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No matter. He's still Indonesian.

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Is he? No he's not. You are lying. Even if he was a duel citizen,,, at present that doesnt disqualify Obama from being a US citizen or US Prez. Sorry.
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The United States Supreme Court, the supreme authority on all things Constitutional, clearly distinguishes between 3 different type of Citizen:

<snip>
Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964)

We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born (1) and of the naturalized (2) person are of the same dignity, and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born (3)” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1. becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native. The constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national Legislature is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it so far as respects the individual.”
</snip>

(1) native born Citizen: one born on US territory

(2) naturalized Citizen: one who is granted Citizenship after an immigration process

(3) natural born Citizen: one born on US territory to parents whom are Citizens

read more here: [link to nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com]
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OMG you are such a tard for this thread along the jerk who pinned it. Learn what a fucking dictionary is.
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You can change the law for citizen requirements at any time, but the constitution spells out the requirements for the president. It would take an amendment to the constitution to change the presidential requirements.
 Quoting: Fasteddy


The executive (or the State Dept) can change US citizenship status even for US born, by US born parents (and I dont mean treason). And they have changed it several times over the decades to either disenfranchise or reinfranchise people. Basically when the IRS needs money they scoop up more citizens to exploit. Nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198


That could be true, but the president is a special case as his requirements are spelled out in the constitution and the tern natural born is the issue. Courts look at what was meant by the founders and the their intention and that would be both parents citizens
 Quoting: Fasteddy



Well, so far the definition of "natural born" as cited by the OP is a Swiss philosopher of note. What's that have to do with the US Constitution or US Presidential qualifications?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213



George Washington wrote a description and the intent of Natural Born was chronicled in the minutes that were kept of the Constitutional Convention. Washing took the definition out of the dictionary on international politics. Washington by the way, never returned the book to the library.

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