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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372228 United States 05/06/2011 03:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1347693 United States 05/06/2011 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! [link to www.campaignforliberty.com] Quoting: allisa4757Does this sound familiar? Obama was not the fist to play this role! Here is just a portion of this article: HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH - PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH December 6, 2008 6:36 PM [I have collaborated on this with my sister and historian Greg Dehler, author of "Chester Allan Arthur", Published by Nova Science Publishers, Incorporated, 2006 ISBN 1600210791, 9781600210792 192 pages. ] I’ve been forwarded the actual naturalization record for William Arthur on microfiche, obtained from the Library of Congress. He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843. Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life; From “Gentleman Boss”, page 202 and 203: “…Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August, Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen. Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was a New Englander who had never left her native country — a statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.” Arthur’s mother had lived in Canada with her husband and even had her first child there. Is this the twilight zone? William Arthur was not a naturalized citizen at the time of Chester Arthur’s birth, and therefore Chester Arthur was a British subject at birth and not eligible to be Vice President or President. Chester Arthur lied about his father’s emigration to Canada and the time his mother spent there married to William. Some sixty years later, Chester lied about all of this and kept his candidacy on track. Back then it would have been virtually impossible to see through this, especially since Arthur’s father had died in 1875 and had been a United States citizen for thirty-two years. And without knowledge of his father’s time in Canada, or the proper timeline of events, potential researchers in 1880 would have been hard pressed to even know where to start. Reeves proved that Arthur changed his birth year from 1829 to 1830. I don’t know if that would have protected recorded information. It’s another lie. I just don’t know what it means. This is unreal. It really seems to be a script followed by two US Presidents whose fathers were British Subjects. This is odd!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! The United States Supreme Court, the supreme authority on all things Constitutional, clearly distinguishes between 3 different type of Citizen: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683<snip> Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964) We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born (1) and of the naturalized (2) person are of the same dignity, and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born (3)” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1. becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native. The constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national Legislature is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it so far as respects the individual.” </snip> (1) native born Citizen: one born on US territory (2) naturalized Citizen: one who is granted Citizenship after an immigration process (3) natural born Citizen: one born on US territory to parents whom are Citizens read more here: [link to nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com] snip-- only the “natural born (3)” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1. becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native." That's the quote. No need to add your own bullshit... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1361018 United States 05/06/2011 03:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! You are full of contradictions OP. Is it being born there, only your father too? Does it say both parents, or is it some old definition where colonialism and slavery ruled and women were chattel? Is Obama not a citizen because he's black? Because ONLY his mother was a citizen? Because being born in the US isnt enough? You are complaining about a subjective term not being in the dictionary. Plus you are referring to a societal outlook long past. I hate bigots, they disgust me,... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370354SHILL AND IDIOT. |
Anonymous coward User ID: 1327729 United States 05/06/2011 03:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! before 'yall worry about the possibility that Obama's father being born in another country might cause some sort of conflict of loyalty, don't you think you ought to worry about the ones that have citizenship in both Israel and the US? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1125022Who do you think they're loyal too? Well, none of THEM are President! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 03:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198The executive (or the State Dept) can change US citizenship status even for US born, by US born parents (and I dont mean treason). And they have changed it several times over the decades to either disenfranchise or reinfranchise people. Basically when the IRS needs money they scoop up more citizens to exploit. Nice. That could be true, but the president is a special case as his requirements are spelled out in the constitution and the tern natural born is the issue. Courts look at what was meant by the founders and the their intention and that would be both parents citizens Well, so far the definition of "natural born" as cited by the OP is a Swiss philosopher of note. What's that have to do with the US Constitution or US Presidential qualifications? George Washington wrote a description and the intent of Natural Born was chronicled in the minutes that were kept of the Constitutional Convention. Washing took the definition out of the dictionary on international politics. Washington by the way, never returned the book to the library. Yeah sure,,, Prove intent in a court of law esp by a colonial foreigner, who considered slaves and women as ineligible. And by the way,,, if it aint written explicitly in a Constitution you are blowing hot air. It is judicial interpretations of a Constitution that matter, not guess work from scribbles in a diary of what was meant by ONE man in a process of many men a long time ago. If you want your Constitution to be a static 250 year old document, then you are seriously deluded. It is a breathing, living document.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1344079 United States 05/06/2011 03:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! this frenzy around obama's birth is stupid. his mother was a citizen. i am sure any american citizen who had a child would also force that citizenship on her or his child. |
2012gregg User ID: 933586 United States 05/06/2011 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! [link to faithandheritage.com] in5D: [link to www.in5d.com] Maya 2012: [link to www.maya12-21-2012.com] in5d YouTube Channel: [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1356088 United States 05/06/2011 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! Cached pages from Baidu for the Japanese Wikipedia: [link to cache.baidu.jp] The English version (current): [link to en.wikipedia.org] ^^^ [bottom of page] This page was last modified on 3 May 2011 at 23:31. There are a few differences that I can see already. |
Burt Gummer User ID: 1369947 United States 05/06/2011 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! Ladies and gentlemen, there is a MASSIVE cover-up underway. Quoting: RevolutionBOTH Natural born AND natural born citizen now return NO RESULTS in searches on ALL active online dictionaries, with the sole exception of Wikipedia, redirects to Wikipedia, and quotes from Wikipedia. Of course they would leave DISINFO SITE Wiki-pedia alone....and change the definition to their liking. By the way....now you know what ELECTRONIC BOOKS are dangerous. No longer do they have to BURN BOOKS....now they just delete them and change them to suit their needs with a few keystrokes. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 05/06/2011 03:45 AM |
Texas Uncensored User ID: 1371682 United States 05/06/2011 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! this frenzy around obama's birth is stupid. his mother was a citizen. i am sure any american citizen who had a child would also force that citizenship on her or his child. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1344079Sounds like you aren't a natural born citizen. If you were, it would matter. **** PEACE **** UFO's @ [link to www.youtube.com] UFO photos & phenomena @ [link to www.picasaweb.google.com] MY GLP VIDEO CHANNEL * [link to video.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.futurequake.bravehost.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 03:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! The United States Supreme Court, the supreme authority on all things Constitutional, clearly distinguishes between 3 different type of Citizen: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683<snip> Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964) We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born (1) and of the naturalized (2) person are of the same dignity, and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born (3)” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1. becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native. The constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national Legislature is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it so far as respects the individual.” </snip> (1) native born Citizen: one born on US territory (2) naturalized Citizen: one who is granted Citizenship after an immigration process (3) natural born Citizen: one born on US territory to parents whom are Citizens read more here: [link to nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com] snip-- only the “natural born (3)” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1. becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native." That's the quote. No need to add your own bullshit... Actually the judge seems to be saying that a native citizen is a Native, ie indigenous, and that a "natural born citizen" is a non Native but by virtue of being born in the US possesses as much rights as a Native American. The spin about Obama is totally misplaced.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 03:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! this frenzy around obama's birth is stupid. his mother was a citizen. i am sure any american citizen who had a child would also force that citizenship on her or his child. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1344079Sounds like you aren't a natural born citizen. If you were, it would matter. Actually it sounds like you are partisan Republican, and probably a foreigner immigrant duped by the partisan machine, otherwise it wouldnt matter to you... |
Anonymous coward User ID: 1327729 United States 05/06/2011 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! The child would grow up to be able to fully engage in all aspects of American politics EXCEPT be PRESIDENT. An American president needs to be 100% American (from two AMERICAN parents) so that there is no possibility of dual allegiance or his putting the interests of the other country ahead of America's interests. And WHOM do we know that has been doing THAT for nearly three years? Quoting: Anonymous coward 1327729Arnold Schwartzenegger (a naturalized citizen of foreign birth) was able to become Governor of California, even though he was born in Austria. But he can NEVER be President; that is the only position which has this requirement. Of course, if Obama is allowed to get away with this, the door WOULD be opened then for Mr. S. to run since Obama made the precedent. Who knows? Maybe that's the plan!! You forgot Vice-President, who has the same requirement. Thanks for mentioning that! I knew we were discussing the Presidential qualifications, and SOME posters can't seem to grasp the concept of "Natural-Born" as it applies to the President. I didn't want their brains to explode while trying to figure out how this could actually apply to TWO people in the entire United States!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1344079 United States 05/06/2011 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! this frenzy around obama's birth is stupid. his mother was a citizen. i am sure any american citizen who had a child would also force that citizenship on her or his child. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1344079Sounds like you aren't a natural born citizen. If you were, it would matter. laff-O i was forced into american citizenship i.e. i was born in a state and they , my parents, are citizens i choose my citizenship seems more appreciating than those born into it. |
LightWarriorANON User ID: 1368741 United States 05/06/2011 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! Is it time to get the fuck up now? "Eh heh, oh no I'm just kidding" (whoswatchingusnow) "The human machine will finally bleed, The human machine will finally cease to be. So set yourself free, And disengage from reality." |
all_the_kings_horses User ID: 1346228 United States 05/06/2011 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! I don't think this is worth the effort. There are just too many willful idiots on this earth. We are out numbered 1000:1. That's why rational people can never win an election. The brain dead run the show! Its pretty obvious that the masses are not capable of waking up! The USA is a basket case. Me, I am heading overseas. That's the only hope. find a country where you can peaceful pursue you interests. Americas are dead set on establishing and supporting a police military security state. Soon TSA will be probing our anus, looking for explosives. All for national security.Too much pointless fear, I have had enough. Cannot spend the rest of my life trying to convince people who don't give a crap! "OUR" government is basically insane.They have lost their marbles. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802683 United States 05/06/2011 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! United States Supreme Court Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683* Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 973795 United States 05/06/2011 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! They think were stupid Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274266It's "we're"...not "were" ;) But yes, they do...and they are only partially correct... I believe myself to be much smarter than them...at least in some contexts...particularly psychological/sociological manipulation, persuasion/influence methodologies and principals...psyops in general... behavioral engineering... tactical/strategic thought control... propaganda engineering/deciphering... pattern recognition... System's thinking and engineering... Pretty much shit like that' And yeah, I do like to fuck with people's head in this forum (sometimes I wonder why I don't start my own cult (physcially harmless, of course) to make a little cash. One thing you can keep an eye out on this forum...and I enjoy spotting among the many tactics is how some shill's will put out multiple "theories" as soon as some breaking news hit's the mainstream, to "clog" the alternate theories and in a sense dilute any probable theories from getting the attention they deserve. Gotta watch out for that one... It's definitely a top-5 tactic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! So far you people havent denied that the only interpretation of "natural born citizen" is by a foreign Swiss philosopher. You havent denied that "natural born" isnt defined in the Constitution. And you havent denied that a judge ruling in 1964 wasnt even referring to Obama's circumstance. IOW you people are idiots who continually lie and spread lies for your own narrow purposes. If you want to complain about Obama do it from intelligence and a truly INDEPENDENT perspective, not a partisan one that only feeds the machine. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1361018 United States 05/06/2011 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! this is what progressives do scrub history so they can repeat it or rewrite it to their liking Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1309466And ignorants declare that an original document that doesnt grant women the right to vote or blacks as humans as an authoritative source on citizenship. But it does make our country a REPUBLIC which is the greatest protector of human rights in the history of the world. A lynch mob of 9 is a 90% majority Democracy ... assuming the fella being lynched doesn't want to be lynched. NOT at all a protector of human rights. A Republic is a government of LAWS. You see it doesn't matter if 70% of Texans want to lynch Gays.... there are LAWS that prevent the Democratic Majority from carrying out the majority's wishes. THAT is the beauty of a Republic. The Constitution was not perfect and still is not perfect. But there IS a mechanism for change and it is NOT court activism. CHANGING by Amendment... that is the LEGAL way. Whining about stuff that happened a hundred years ago which NEVER affected you does nothing but identify you as a WHINER. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1361018 United States 05/06/2011 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! The OP's source on US citizenship isnt even a US citizen. lol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198That is your contribution???? Please tell us you don't vote. Your really have no business voting... too stupid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! I don't think this is worth the effort. Quoting: all_the_kings_horses 1346228There are just too many willful idiots on this earth. We are out numbered 1000:1. That's why rational people can never win an election. The brain dead run the show! Its pretty obvious that the masses are not capable of waking up! The USA is a basket case. Me, I am heading overseas. That's the only hope. find a country where you can peaceful pursue you interests. Americas are dead set on establishing and supporting a police military security state. Soon TSA will be probing our anus, looking for explosives. All for national security.Too much pointless fear, I have had enough. Cannot spend the rest of my life trying to convince people who don't give a crap! "OUR" government is basically insane.They have lost their marbles. But who's going to turn off the lights? |
LieGroupE8 User ID: 1343950 United States 05/06/2011 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! :scarfaceshit: "More are the names of God and infinite are the forms through which He may be approached." -- Ramakrishna There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known. "A God who gets angry if you don't worship him is no God. To worship is divine but no God can compel you to worship Him." -- Krishna "People in high places will be hunted down like animals." -- Hopi prophecy "If it ain't metal, its crap." -- D. Snyder |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1372213 Mexico 05/06/2011 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! The OP's source on US citizenship isnt even a US citizen. lol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198That is your contribution???? Please tell us you don't vote. Your really have no business voting... too stupid. No I dont vote. I am not loyal, either. And I have been contributing mightely, you jackass. And I could be your President, and could declare you ineligible to be President if I so wished--- |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 987391 United States 05/06/2011 04:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! Jesus Christ, all this effort posting bullshit, Natural Born Citizen has been defined by the Supreme Court, and it boils down to someone born in the country. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS UNTIL THERE IS A SUPREME COURT CASE THAT CHANGES IT! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343731 United Kingdom 05/06/2011 04:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! Quoting: RevolutionFUCK OFF. See we can all swear, nothing has changed on these sites, its your paranioa wanting to see what it wants. You have shown no proof of changes. the whits house no control over most of these sites, because they are hosted outside of the US and therefore out of their jurisdiction. If they had any power over the internet then file sharing would cease completely because the movie and music industry would pay the white to shut them down, which hasnt happened Stop seeing what isnt there, and stop being paraniod. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802683 United States 05/06/2011 04:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! So far you people havent denied that the only interpretation of "natural born citizen" is by a foreign Swiss philosopher. You havent denied that "natural born" isnt defined in the Constitution. And you havent denied that a judge ruling in 1964 wasnt even referring to Obama's circumstance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213IOW you people are idiots who continually lie and spread lies for your own narrow purposes. If you want to complain about Obama do it from intelligence and a truly INDEPENDENT perspective, not a partisan one that only feeds the machine. you people havent denied that the only interpretation of "natural born citizen" is by a foreign Swiss philosopher Reread Minor vs Happersett. The US Supreme Court cited, and upheld, the Swiss philosopher de Vattel's definition in that case, word for word. You havent denied that "natural born" isnt defined in the Constitution. True, that's the exclusive jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, to define & interpret terms used in the Constitution. And you havent denied that a judge ruling in 1964 wasnt even referring to Obama's circumstance. That is actually how the judicial system works in America, it is called case law. Case law is the reported decisions of selected appellate and other courts (called courts of first impression) which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents in a process known as stare decisis. These interpretations are distinguished from statutory law which are the statutes and codes enacted by legislative bodies; regulatory law which are regulations established by governmental agencies based on statutes; and in some states, common law which are the generally accepted laws carried to the colonies and former colonies of England (USA, Australia, etc). Trials and hearings which are not selected as 'courts of first impression' do not have rulings that become case law; therefore, these rulings cannot be precedents for future court decisions. (Wikipedia) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1361018 United States 05/06/2011 04:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!! •Anyone born inside the United States * Quoting: Dee Licsh 950299•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe •Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. •Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national •Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year •Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 •Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) •A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. * There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision. Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example. I'm not sure why your all annoyed about this natural born citizen status but your question is answered in the very first amendment. You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better? It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were all ax murderers now does it? It is the LAW regardless. Seems nobody has felt this particular law needed to be changed.. IE Amended.. you know... LEGALLY CHANGED... as opposed to making the requirements for the presidency a SCOFF LAW... NO DIFFERENT THAN JAY WALKING!!! How would you feel about folks making Don't Ask, Don't Tell a Scoff Law? You know... regardless of the law... once a month ask all service people if they are gay; if they answer yes... dishonorably discharge them without benefits. Because hey... the founders were a bunch of ax murderers. |