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Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
Anyone know a good site where I can find someone who can identify this item? I have detailed photographs of it. I can't find any markings anywhere on it.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
Here's 1 pic.

[link to www8.pic-upload.de]
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What does it say on bottom, any marks? Im an antique dealer.
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Nice, I have an entire set like it. Got it from mother in law. Hard to clean tho. Would be interested in what the dealer has to say...
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
What does it say on bottom, any marks? Im an antique dealer.
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I can't find a single marking on this thing. I can post some more pics if it will help. closeups of certain areas.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
If it's not stamped "850" or '18k' or something, it's not silver.
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Here is a link to The Online Encyclopedia of Silver Maker's Marks and Hallmarks from around the world. This is a wonderful resource.

[link to www.925-1000.com]
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
If it were silver or silver plated it would be stamped. From the pictures I can see dark blotches and that tells me you tryed to polish it. Im sorry but this is a mass produced non silver or silver plate teapot.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
If it were silver or silver plated it would be stamped. From the pictures I can see dark blotches and that tells me you tryed to polish it. Im sorry but this is a mass produced non silver or silver plate teapot.
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I polished it with silver polish to remove the tarnish. This was part of a set, so could the mark or stamp be on another piece of the set that I no longer have? Also one of the legs is broken off. Could the mark or stamp have been there?

AC above, thanks for that link, I'll check it out.
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If it were silver or silver plated it would be stamped. From the pictures I can see dark blotches and that tells me you tryed to polish it. Im sorry but this is a mass produced non silver or silver plate teapot.
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I polished it with silver polish to remove the tarnish. This was part of a set, so could the mark or stamp be on another piece of the set that I no longer have? Also one of the legs is broken off. Could the mark or stamp have been there?

AC above, thanks for that link, I'll check it out.
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NO, the stamp would be on the body.

...It may even be on the lip inside - but doubtful on that.

No stamp = no silver.
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If it were silver or silver plated it would be stamped. From the pictures I can see dark blotches and that tells me you tryed to polish it. Im sorry but this is a mass produced non silver or silver plate teapot.
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I polished it with silver polish to remove the tarnish. This was part of a set, so could the mark or stamp be on another piece of the set that I no longer have? Also one of the legs is broken off. Could the mark or stamp have been there?

AC above, thanks for that link, I'll check it out.
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I dought it. Its not silver, I know it looks like it but its not.
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the few sterling silver pieces i have had/seen are slightly heavier than something that is plated. Is it heavy?
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
Nice, I have an entire set like it. Got it from mother in law. Hard to clean tho. Would be interested in what the dealer has to say...
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Baking cake pan...9x11
Boiling water
Baking soda...1 TBS.
Aluminum Foil in bottom of pan, Baking soda,
pour water into pan. Place silver item in solution.
Rotate item to clean. Dry completely on soft cloth towels.
Never put silver away with any dampness.

Reversal of the oxidation is seconds...I never use
silver polish...only ^^this^^. The foil will absorb
oxidation, just recycle the piece with your cans.

Start over, repeat till you've done all you need to do.

Have fun!
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If it were silver or silver plated it would be stamped. From the pictures I can see dark blotches and that tells me you tryed to polish it. Im sorry but this is a mass produced non silver or silver plate teapot.
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I polished it with silver polish to remove the tarnish. This was part of a set, so could the mark or stamp be on another piece of the set that I no longer have? Also one of the legs is broken off. Could the mark or stamp have been there?

AC above, thanks for that link, I'll check it out.
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NO, the stamp would be on the body.

...It may even be on the lip inside - but doubtful on that.

No stamp = no silver.
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I don't understand why you're saying it's not silver. The only thing that cleans it is silver polish! Am I missing something here? One more thing, what is the size of these marks roughly? Would I need a magnifying glass to see it or would it be in plain sight? Thanks.
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What does it say on bottom, any marks? Im an antique dealer.
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AC....could you help me with something. I have a very old necklace and bracelet passed down generations in my family. It 's known only since my 3rd great grandmother, but I believe it could go back even further. I have pictures, but I do not know how to upload them. I have recently found a mark on the bracelet, I have searched the marks makers, but I can't find anything resembling this mark. Almost like a teepee symbol with two dots in the center like these (:)
The bracelet also looks as if it could symbol a crest maybe.
And I don't even know if it's silver, but the design is so unique. Could I by chance email you these pictures and maybe you could post them for me?

Thank you

PS...I sent pictures of them to the Smithsonian, but they replied that they only date items that belong to them...I thought that was a little aukward...
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
I'm not an expert but that is not silver, see if it rings, it should sound rather nice. IMHO its plate-ware at best.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
What does it say on bottom, any marks? Im an antique dealer.
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AC....could you help me with something. I have a very old necklace and bracelet passed down generations in my family. It 's known only since my 3rd great grandmother, but I believe it could go back even further. I have pictures, but I do not know how to upload them. I have recently found a mark on the bracelet, I have searched the marks makers, but I can't find anything resembling this mark. Almost like a teepee symbol with two dots in the center like these (:)
The bracelet also looks as if it could symbol a crest maybe.
And I don't even know if it's silver, but the design is so unique. Could I by chance email you these pictures and maybe you could post them for me?

Thank you

PS...I sent pictures of them to the Smithsonian, but they replied that they only date items that belong to them...I thought that was a little aukward...
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A triangle with two points is not english I would say without looking at it that its probally from the 1920's.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
If it were silver or silver plated it would be stamped. From the pictures I can see dark blotches and that tells me you tryed to polish it. Im sorry but this is a mass produced non silver or silver plate teapot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369648


I polished it with silver polish to remove the tarnish. This was part of a set, so could the mark or stamp be on another piece of the set that I no longer have? Also one of the legs is broken off. Could the mark or stamp have been there?

AC above, thanks for that link, I'll check it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283996


NO, the stamp would be on the body.

...It may even be on the lip inside - but doubtful on that.

No stamp = no silver.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I don't understand why you're saying it's not silver. The only thing that cleans it is silver polish! Am I missing something here? One more thing, what is the size of these marks roughly? Would I need a magnifying glass to see it or would it be in plain sight? Thanks.
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The marks would be stamped impressions, small but you would see them.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
Anyone know how much this would cost approx if it was solid silver? I have a similar one that is solid not like this one the cheap stuff mine is solid
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
Well if it's nothing special I have, it'd be nice to at least get some closure by roughly identifying where and when it was made. Here's a few more pics.

[link to www8.pic-upload.de]
[link to www7.pic-upload.de]
[link to www7.pic-upload.de]
[link to www7.pic-upload.de]



NO, the stamp would be on the body.

...It may even be on the lip inside - but doubtful on that.

No stamp = no silver.
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What about this? The engraving is on the leg.

[link to www.etsy.com]
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
What does it say on bottom, any marks? Im an antique dealer.
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AC....could you help me with something. I have a very old necklace and bracelet passed down generations in my family. It 's known only since my 3rd great grandmother, but I believe it could go back even further. I have pictures, but I do not know how to upload them. I have recently found a mark on the bracelet, I have searched the marks makers, but I can't find anything resembling this mark. Almost like a teepee symbol with two dots in the center like these (:)
The bracelet also looks as if it could symbol a crest maybe.
And I don't even know if it's silver, but the design is so unique. Could I by chance email you these pictures and maybe you could post them for me?

Thank you

PS...I sent pictures of them to the Smithsonian, but they replied that they only date items that belong to them...I thought that was a little aukward...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


A triangle with two points is not english I would say without looking at it that its probally from the 1920's.
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I believe it to be older than that. And, as far as I can see through a magnifying glass, there is no bottom line, so I do not believe it to be a triangle, so picture the triangle without the bottom line with the two dots in the middle. Closest I found in the marks was like hindu or hebrew....could I email it to you?
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ok I checked my set, E.P.C.A. says A Tradition Since 1863 English Reproduction by Poole and the number 600. So does that mean it is silver, silver plated or what? Thanks
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After looking at the newer pictures I'm more convinced that the piece is not silver. Its high nickle content brass (German-silver) and maybe silver plated but I don't think so.

Ain't nothing like the real thing baby, you would have found the mark on it by now. RING IT to see for sure.
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After looking at the newer pictures I'm more convinced that the piece is not silver. Its high nickle content brass (German-silver) and maybe silver plated but I don't think so.

Ain't nothing like the real thing baby, you would have found the mark on it by now. RING IT to see for sure.
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Another good technique to determine the silver content is to simply XRF it.

X-ray fluorescence

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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found out doing a search that E.P.C.A. stands for electro-plate copper alloy. It is silver coated, not all silver, darn!
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Anyone know a good site where I can find someone who can identify this item? I have detailed photographs of it. I can't find any markings anywhere on it.
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OP, your tea pot is beautiful no matter if it is real silver or not. hf


Would you mind emailing me and I can send my pictures for you to upload and post for me? They are in jpg form.


Please, no others use this email...thank you
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I have a huge box full of silver with marks all over it, all very old. threw it outside, too hard to keep clean. turns black.

the old goblets ring beautifully tho, they make an exceptional sound when you click the rims together, I didn't realize they would do that until recently.

beautiful sound.
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I have a huge box full of silver with marks all over it, all very old. threw it outside, too hard to keep clean. turns black.

the old goblets ring beautifully tho, they make an exceptional sound when you click the rims together, I didn't realize they would do that until recently.

beautiful sound.
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If they ring like that then they probably are sterling.
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After looking at the newer pictures I'm more convinced that the piece is not silver. Its high nickle content brass (German-silver) and maybe silver plated but I don't think so.

Ain't nothing like the real thing baby, you would have found the mark on it by now. RING IT to see for sure.
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Well when I ring it, there's the initial *donk from impact, followed by a very very high pitched *ting that rings out for a while. It sounds pretty but I'm not sure what it's *supposed to sound like. Here's one last pic without the flash.

[link to www8.pic-upload.de]

I noticed it looks a lot like Rogers Silverplate, but I guess with no marks, it's no good. Thanks all for the feedback and info.
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Re: Need help identifying antique silver teapot/coffee pot
I have a huge box full of silver with marks all over it, all very old. threw it outside, too hard to keep clean. turns black.

the old goblets ring beautifully tho, they make an exceptional sound when you click the rims together, I didn't realize they would do that until recently.

beautiful sound.
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If they ring like that then they probably are sterling.
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yes, but they are a tireless job to try to keep clean

once clean they are absolutely gorgeous but within a year, turning black again, sadly

I got many of them from estate sales and etc. in the past and just kept collecting them, but after a time I got tired of looking at them unless they were freshly polished. pity.

that's why I wrote down the baking soda info someone posted, maybe I will give that a try.

my favorites are the goblets, simply because of that beautiful tone they make.

some of the pitchers have the ice catcher in the lip, pretty old

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