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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
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The only way out of this world is by TRANCE-ENDING all of the ILL-U-SIONS pre-sent-ed. Only then can U truly SEA.
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OR try and get back into character mode?
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I don't think that's possible LOL. Once you "leave the cave" there is no going back in I'm afraid

This process I have gone through just happened and I did nothing to start it (not that I'm aware of).

It's not like one day I just decided "hey I'm gonna step out of my character role"



Did Truman in Truman Show movie wanna stay on the island? Nope. He was looking for the way out.

Truman wanted to leave but Christophe was willing to kill Truman to force his agenda on Truman..to force him back onto script

Christophe represents the force that controls everybody in this world. It wants you to remain on script. It's a control freak.

That's why you hear people say "Let go and let God" or "Let go and surrender"..I bought into that crap for awhile until I real eyes'd that that's just the force wanting to control me in every way.

People have the delusion of free will but they're completely controlled and scripted A to Z

When you are in your character role (EGO) that's when you can't SEE. The force controls the character role (EGO) and the force controls the emotions and the thoughts. Once you step out of character role (EGO) you can see how the force controls everyone who is in EGOic character role. Since I'm no longer in character role (EGO) it can NOT control me. It can only control those around me and my finances and nothing else.

Truman in Truman Show saw the force that controls this world for what it is. He wanted off the island.

Mr. Murdoch saw the force for what it is in Dark City movie. He just made another world since there was nowhere to go .

This world is a LIE-GHT projection. Meaning everything is backasswards. LIE-ght means dark and dark means LIE-ght.

Anyways no going back to character role and really once you SEE things you don't wanna go back
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OP, consider the possibility that the "leaving the cave" act is also just another character role
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Character role is something you can "pin down"..meaning those who have downloading or specific programming can be "pinned down" because of their egoic identification with their beLIEfs, emotions, dualistic thinking, programming etc.

When you become as "I" am you are "all spread out" or "expanded"..meaning there really is no "I" that is definable but the "I" becomes more of an "enigma"

A character role is something more definable and easily "pinned down" because it fulfills certain traits or characteristics which are shared in common with other members of the collective

Once you TRANCE END the collective or rise above it you aren't that easy to figure out. In fact you may have characters tell you you are complicated and that they don't understand you LOL Or you'll get characters that think they've "pinned you down" when in fact they haven't
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Consider the lilies
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The phrase the lilies of the field is part of Jesus' sermon on the mount as recorded at Matthew 6:26-34 (compare Luke 12:27-31.)
At this point in his sermon he was encouraging his listeners to put the kingdom of God first in their lives, and not to worry too much about other daily/mundane necessities, such food and, in this particular instance, clothing.
"And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?" ~King James Version.
Some have suggested that Jesus may have been referring to a particular type of wild flower when he said the lilies of the field. Alternatively, as the context indicates, perhaps he was just referring to vegetation in general. Either way, he was illustrating his good counsel with an example drawn from nature, using something that all people, from their own knowledge and experience, can understood and appreciate.


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hey ....753......i'll respond here if you don't mind ....

the world is controlled by way of the 4 systems (4 horsemen) .....all the systems have been taken over by ONE ....

it is easy to see that education does not open the mind of our children ...it makes them submit ....they do this as they, any ed. systems, have submitted to MONEY .....

it is also easy to see that religions of the world are taken over by the monetary system .....as they also submit ....

and certainly in this hour we see the governments of the world submitting to the monetary systems .....

MONEY now rules all the systems as it does it self .....

the awakened ones learn to step away from governments, religions, and education (as it exists today) ....

money/financial systems have extended into the individual through all training by the dogmatic systems ......

because it seems most personal it is the hardest to walk away from ........

all the systems make individuals think they are required systems ..when actually we awake to them and find out they are not required .....

it is the same with our own personal money problems .....if we can walk away from them.....we can the last one .....


it is the love of mammon/money that is the most difficult to release our selves from .....

the love of money maintains the need of .....we only think the need comes first .....

the 4 world systems maintain existence .....which is caused by the light of the world ......

when the light comes from within .....no more systems are required ......thus no more need ....and no more love of money ....it was only one of the systems of control ....

the MOON EYE (money) is only a REFLECTION of a deeper problem .....it is evidence of a SOLAR/SOL/SOUL problem .....

the problem is maintained with the thought "there is nothing new under the sun"

we rise above the SUN/SON .....then the sun and moon go dark ...pass away .....as the star fall down/bow a knee

well hope you catch this.....
 Quoting: wind rider


Okay Wind Rider,

I get it. The 4 "walls" of the ILL-US-ion are maintained by giving them power. Once you TRANCE END the 4 walls you move beyond this "LIEght" world into the "supernatural/unseen"(sun and moon go dark).

Meaning I've just got to let go of the digits (money) and walk away from it, Yes?

In other words just let go and let "spirit" deal with the mundane silliness
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So my mystical experiences were a taste of the unseen world ... The brightest star moving in the sky..The sphere that was shaped like the moon that came down to greet us on the beach and play with us. The green thing coming down from the sky...etc.etc..All that stuff was a taste of the unseen world..

Like Wind Rider says once you TRANCE END the ill-us-ions presented you move beyond this "LIEght" world into the unseen world which is why the mystical experiences..meaning there is more than "meets the EYE"

"the problem is maintained with the thought "there is nothing new under the sun""...What she means by this is that there is an unseen world or supernatural world when you trance END the ill-us-ions of this world. When you real eyes there is more than "meets the eye" and that money (mon-eye) is an illusion and not required

"we rise above the SUN/SON .....then the sun and moon go dark ...pass away .....as the star fall down/bow a knee"..What she means is by seeing beyond the ill-us-ions and not being en-trance'd by things of this world we move beyond into the unseen realms ("sun and moon go dark") beyond this fake "LIEght" world

No wonder I feel like this world no longer satisfies me since I have no attachments. Because it's no longer a fit in the sense that I've trance ended it and need to move beyond in order to experience more.

I'm gonna have to trust "spirit" or the force to guide me. The animals have already been telling me things. I'm gonna let go of digits because they are no longer required and I'm gonna trust the force or "spirit" to take me where I'm ready to go.
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Any of you who can guide me to any material on unseen world it would be appreciated. I assume "spirit" will guide me there anyways but any input would be welcome. I'm letting go of digits (mon-eye) because that was still an ill-us-ion I was buying into..Digits (moneye) are NOT needed
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So ALL SEEING EYE in pyra-mid (fire middle) is this "LIEght" TRAP world.

There is more than "MEETS THE EYE"..that's the mystical world...or unseen world or supernatural world

So once you move beyond or TRANCE END this world or ILL-US-ions you move beyond the pyra-mid...

I must let go of digits or mon-eye because it's giving power to something that isn't real in order to TRANCE-END this world of "LIE-ght"

Everyone is en-TRANCE-d by the PYRA-MID or projection. LIE-GHT world is a FALSE PROJECTION

MOVE BEYOND LIES or LIEGHT world projection.

MOVE BEYOND PYRA-MID

LOL
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...Meaning to love money is to be caught up in this "LIEght" world or false projection...to worship mon-eye is to be trapped in this false LIEght projection..you can't serve 2 masters...

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." - Matthew 6:19-21,24

There is NO-THING to do because there is NO-THING

The Mon-EYE is another trap and it is not needed. To real eyes is to TRANCE END this "LIE-ght" world

In other words...fuck it..walk away from it..you can't serve 2 masters lol

The words just symbolize the unseen
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I have been reading this thread for the past 2 days and am still not half way through it. This is an excellent thread and means so much to me as I have felt the same from when I was little.I have always felt as though I was watching a screenplay instead of interacting with life.Even when terrible tragedies have happened in my life I feel like the event is in a bubble and I am on the outside looking in.
Things 'happen' to me and around me on a regular basis, far too many weird events for it to be just coincidence. Anyways, I should explain that I have Asperger's and while reading it suddenly struck me that maybe OP is having all this happen because you are now interacting in the same way as someone with AS does, i.e. closing yourself off to outside influence/experience and feeling little or no emotion.
Maybe I have all those things happen because the controller is trying to force me to experience emotion because I don't play the game as was planned?
Strange thing is - on the few occasions I do play along as in putting emotion into something he/she/they tend to reward me.
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I have been reading this thread for the past 2 days and am still not half way through it. This is an excellent thread and means so much to me as I have felt the same from when I was little.I have always felt as though I was watching a screenplay instead of interacting with life.Even when terrible tragedies have happened in my life I feel like the event is in a bubble and I am on the outside looking in.
Things 'happen' to me and around me on a regular basis, far too many weird events for it to be just coincidence. Anyways, I should explain that I have Asperger's and while reading it suddenly struck me that maybe OP is having all this happen because you are now interacting in the same way as someone with AS does, i.e. closing yourself off to outside influence/experience and feeling little or no emotion.
Maybe I have all those things happen because the controller is trying to force me to experience emotion because I don't play the game as was planned?
Strange thing is - on the few occasions I do play along as in putting emotion into something he/she/they tend to reward me.
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Thanks for your post.

I'd be leery of any labels in this world because even the medical establishment and mental health establishment is all about maintaining the hypnotic trance...Meaning "we are Borg and you must be assimilated". When you fall outside the programming the ability to control you gets more difficult. When you no longer identify with your given name or your vantage point is no longer EGO then you are less controllable. When you are less controllable the matrix can only use those around you to influence you or it can target your finances.

I used to be anxiety ridden and fear based and very emotional so that last 8 or so years for me is something new. I am a feeling being but I don't feel emotions like anger, sadness or fear. I also don't have thoughts in my head and I don't identify with the past or images from past nor do I identify with my given name. No nostalgia or sentimentalism either. I see love for the illusion that it is and all the other attachments of this world. Trust me I didn't get here overnight but it was a process whereby I pulled out of vantage point of egoic character role and everything connected to it. EGO (for lack of better terminology) is who you think you are but it isn't really who you are. Things of ego are emotions, thoughts in head, sense-of-identification, beliefs, body image, attachments etc.etc.

It's possible you were just more developed at an early age and they label it Asperger's but that's essentially a bunch of bullshit (most likely)

Yes the world seems to be a world of doggies. Good doggies get the bone. Bad doggies get spanked. Monetary system used to keep doggies on leash. So when you emote you get a bone. When you don't react to the ill-us-ions you are left hanging. Kind of like when you react there is almost a symbiotic relationship between yourself and the matrix (feeding)

Carrots are hung out or cookies to keep you hanging on like doom dates and the like. Attachments are like can-dies in the can-die-store. Keep you chasing after things. BeLIEfs seem to keep you like a doggy chasing your tail. Educational system to mind control you. Government to threaten force and violence. Religion so you can worship some false "LIEght God" which is probably the same "God' for all religions. Mental Health industory to keep people on pharma drugs and in trance..same as alchol, pot, sex, love, career, money, materialism, beLIEfs, body, news, conspiracies blah blah blah. Then we have the mon-eye which is the ultimate control when all else fails

After so long I don't give a shit about anything in this world. I'm hanging on to see if anything progresses further and if not I can always "change the channel".

Once you TRANCE END the ILL-US-ions of this world there is little to hold you here aside from perhaps some possible change in scripting ...I'm not holding my breath.

The e-emotions are all about making it REAL when it's not..kind of like 911 is used as a marker or school shootings to make it all seem the more REAL.

You might find also that "enlightenment" mimics psychopathy. In fact you might find that many with Asperger's or that are labeled Narcissists are actually just "enlightened" individuals. It may sound strange to those reading this but there is much truth in what I'm saying.


Remember the matrix is designed to keep you in the hypnotic trance...It's designed to en-trance you with opiums or by labeling you this or that to "box you in". To TRANCE END the ill-US-ions is to NOT buy into any of it including the Asperger's diagnosis
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I'll give you one example of this "force" that controls everyone and everything in this world.

My companion and I usually get free food at a local church. We only eat one small meal a day.

Anyways we go to the local market because it serves free coffee right?

Sometimes they give away free food because they're gonna throw it away anyways and they see our skinny asses and give us free food.

So last night when we were in there a woman told both of us separately how she was making burgers we like (used to). But since we have no digits (moneye) we weren't able to buy anything right?

So this morning we go in early again and talk to another woman who is cashier there. She knows us as everyone knows us well. She proceeded to tell us the guy that was working 2 nights ago threw away 10 hamburgers right after we had been in the store. Anyways this guy and everybody knows that we sometimes get stuff they're gonna throw away..

There are NO coincidences...

Anyways my point being is that this "force" will attempt to manipulate you using things that it thinks you like or have an attachment to and it's best not to have attachments to anything at all. It's a simplistic "force" and I can see through everything it does...all the scripting is so obvious... It uses noise and other things to provoke an emotional reaction which it doesn't ever get. It blocks things in an attempt to control our movements. It has also targeted our online projects or attempts to work or even attempts to get housing or rideshares. Games are played. Like I said it wants to "box you in" and control you using those around you.

What I wrote above is one small example of my daily existence. I see through all the shit it does..It's very simplistic "force" but calculating...

The power I have is in NOT reacting or saying YES or NO ...
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wow ....large thread thought pattern .....won't actually take the time to read it all ....just sampled ....

all i can offer is that which i presently know ....

who or what controls this/the illusion? ......WE DO!

but the illusion is first offered to US as "thought form" that can not generate a singularity of being .....it can not concentrate long enough to become ......it is constantly spinning, blinking, pulsing LIGHT .........it presents the illusion that is can not actually create .....to those who can cause the unstable to become stable ....US are the CREATOR ......

we create what it "unstable light thought form" suggests ....

what happened is that we got sidetracked by "unstable thought form" and became "unstable in all our ways" .....unstable as water ......even the flood of waters covering the earth .....and always seek the lowest point rather than to rise above and seek higher those things above or WITHIN .....locked within in the bags of blood ...A DAM ...ADAM .....THE ADAMAH ...the males and females who require maturing to become MAN and WOMAN .....

i'll stop here so as not to become long and boring :)
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the many to be known as Legion ....have become as "unstable thought form" or the spinning atom/light .....for this reason they/legion as told parabolically in the bible ..desire to return always to the SEE/sea ...water .....the unstable way .....as light ...the false light of the world ...worldly light ....the supposed wise SOLOMON ...solar moon ...soul of man ....that which is soulish and unstable and lives by sight .....and always feeds the UNSTABLE THOUGHT FORM .....by its/sol-man's emotional projection ....unstable thought form can not self maintain .....we have maintained IT through/by our emotions ....fear, greed, war and the rumor of war .....yes even LOVE .....

Legion ..thinks in themselves WHO can i love ......WHO can love me ......and for this reason group in herds/heards ...by what they hear (having tingling ears)

real LOVE seeks neither condition ...LOVE IS .....
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we, the few, having come out of her/legion ....do not live by RE-ACTION to unstable thought form and her children .....

we ACT .....

we do not seek to go any place or any where ......we understand the BOX ....for what it is .....that is the purpose of the BOX ......

the BOX is the false light ....or the light of those days that we/legion/god said was good yet established that what was done was done from "evening to morning" in DARKNESS the darkness of the box created .....the EVEning ....Eve the mother of all living ......

within the box is found EXISTENCE ....that which men falsely know as LIFE when it simply their mundane existence ...those who get to see outside the box or the real-I's .....know TRUTH .....and gain LIFE .....

as "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE"...these ones have both LIFE and EXISTENCE ...and are to be known as in the statement "I AND FATHER ARE ONE" ....a stable singularity of thought form united and joined as THOUGHT/FATHER and SPEECH/SON in LOGOS

the BOX of existence is to be entered by the FEW to expose it for what it is ...AND TO CHANGE IT ...from the inside out ....for the kingdom is WITHIN .....

within you and within IT .....

we make the dark cloudy walls of entrapment into crystal wall built upon truth/gold

we the creators are the alchemists of all matter turning all that is visible before the eyes of men and all that is written in books that the eyes of men have seen in all their unstable ways...... BACK INTO THE STABILITY OF TRUTH .....
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when Jesus returns from the "dark clouds" of the box of unstable thought forms .....he does so to finish the way of the BOX .....having come out of the matrix or through the walls ....to become JUSTUS ....justice .....

we as Jesus/US ....bring justice to the LOGOS of "unstable thought form" ...as the LOGOS of "stable thought" ....

having said this ...you can see that only WORD is worthy of being saved (which means moved) and only WORD is worthy and able to save/move .......

that which is unstable become stable .....or is able to pick up its bed and walk .....

we in this NOW ...are becoming ABLE to stand .....to rise out of the field of consciousness in which as Abel we once laid down in to sleep (Cain and Able parable)

2 will be in a bed and only one remains ...2 in a field and one remains ..etc

that which is not stable enough to stand will stand .....joined as one ....
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we come into the world as US .....me/I/ego .....or as the son of god TAKING the daughter of men .....

ego is as the SON ...I and Me is as the daughters .....

we are here to become the SON OF MAN .....it is not as many suppose that MAN is becoming GOD ...GOD is becoming MAN ....

when we are joined as ONE ...it is in EGO ....as I AND ME JOIN in ONE ....Father and SON ....as ONE LOGOS ...egos.... el
gos ....god/man united
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Wind Rider,

Very interesting posts and I can't claim to understand all of it but I understand much of it

If you feel motivated to do so please add more at any time.

There is definitely more to this world than meets THE EYE. It is through TRANCE END'ing those ILL-US-ions that we truly SEA this world for what it is.

TRANCE END'ing those ILL-US-ions comes once you no longer have vantage point of FALSE SELF or EGO. FALSE SELF or EGO is scripted by the FORCE the same as emotions and all the other stuff that goes hand-in-hand with egoic sense-of-identification. IT is NOT who we truly are beyond form and mind. You can only see the "forest for the trees" once your vantage point is no longer the FALSE SELF.

You are correct. Many thoughtforms in this discussion. LAUGHING OUT LOUD. But it's a pro-cess removing the barriers towards TRULY SEA-ING. BARRIERS TO TRULY SEA-ING include sex, love, career, money, materialism, right versus wrong, black versus white, duality, beLIEfs, attachments, body image, sense-of-identification, emotions, thoughts racing in head, all programming/downloading since day ONE etc.etc.etc.etc.

In my experience the most important thing is processing and releasing the e-motion-al kaka even though e-motions are an ILL-US-ion. By processing and releasing the e-motions you can move beyond the hypnotic trance state.
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In my experience the most important thing is processing and releasing the e-motion-al kaka even though e-motions are an ILL-US-ion. By processing and releasing the e-motions you can move beyond the hypnotic trance state.
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How do we process and release our emotions?

Should I not identify with my emotions, separate myself from them and just impartially observe them? It seems like a contradiction. How can I process and release them if I'm detached from them and not reacting/identifying with them. Don't I need to feel them and be in them so as to process them?

Who is the "I" that feels the emotions anyway?
If the "ego"/sense of separateness is an illusion, then surely there's no-one there to feel the emotions in the first place, as in there is no sufferer, only suffering.
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I love how the thread about illusion is probably the most realistic thread on the sight, irony is great.
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I agree 100% with your observations re Asperger's and you are the only person I have come across who actually understands it. Unfortunately folk feel they need a label to describe someone who is 'different' Funny how you mentioned them targeting finances as I had originally written that I often get into difficulties with money because I let things slide. Each time that the shit is about to hit the fan big style I then get worried. The minute I get worried, i.e., show an emotion the money appears from nowhere.

Thanks for your post.

I'd be leery of any labels in this world because even the medical establishment and mental health establishment is all about maintaining the hypnotic trance...Meaning "we are Borg and you must be assimilated". When you fall outside the programming the ability to control you gets more difficult. When you no longer identify with your given name or your vantage point is no longer EGO then you are less controllable. When you are less controllable the matrix can only use those around you to influence you or it can target your finances.

I used to be anxiety ridden and fear based and very emotional so that last 8 or so years for me is something new. I am a feeling being but I don't feel emotions like anger, sadness or fear. I also don't have thoughts in my head and I don't identify with the past or images from past nor do I identify with my given name. No nostalgia or sentimentalism either. I see love for the illusion that it is and all the other attachments of this world. Trust me I didn't get here overnight but it was a process whereby I pulled out of vantage point of egoic character role and everything connected to it. EGO (for lack of better terminology) is who you think you are but it isn't really who you are. Things of ego are emotions, thoughts in head, sense-of-identification, beliefs, body image, attachments etc.etc.

It's possible you were just more developed at an early age and they label it Asperger's but that's essentially a bunch of bullshit (most likely)

Yes the world seems to be a world of doggies. Good doggies get the bone. Bad doggies get spanked. Monetary system used to keep doggies on leash. So when you emote you get a bone. When you don't react to the ill-us-ions you are left hanging. Kind of like when you react there is almost a symbiotic relationship between yourself and the matrix (feeding)

Carrots are hung out or cookies to keep you hanging on like doom dates and the like. Attachments are like can-dies in the can-die-store. Keep you chasing after things. BeLIEfs seem to keep you like a doggy chasing your tail. Educational system to mind control you. Government to threaten force and violence. Religion so you can worship some false "LIEght God" which is probably the same "God' for all religions. Mental Health industory to keep people on pharma drugs and in trance..same as alchol, pot, sex, love, career, money, materialism, beLIEfs, body, news, conspiracies blah blah blah. Then we have the mon-eye which is the ultimate control when all else fails

After so long I don't give a shit about anything in this world. I'm hanging on to see if anything progresses further and if not I can always "change the channel".

Once you TRANCE END the ILL-US-ions of this world there is little to hold you here aside from perhaps some possible change in scripting ...I'm not holding my breath.

The e-emotions are all about making it REAL when it's not..kind of like 911 is used as a marker or school shootings to make it all seem the more REAL.

You might find also that "enlightenment" mimics psychopathy. In fact you might find that many with Asperger's or that are labeled Narcissists are actually just "enlightened" individuals. It may sound strange to those reading this but there is much truth in what I'm saying.


Remember the matrix is designed to keep you in the hypnotic trance...It's designed to en-trance you with opiums or by labeling you this or that to "box you in". To TRANCE END the ill-US-ions is to NOT buy into any of it including the Asperger's diagnosis
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yes the emotions are the standard by which men meet each other by way of morality ....and the standard bearer/light of the many ....

emotions are RE-ACTION to outward parts of the visible creation .... our personal story of our light journey (false one) is learned through our senses ......and our reaction to our senses create our emotions ....

for this reason the TREE (each us) begins in the KNOWLEDGE of good AND evil .....which are activators for our MOVEMENT ....

btw: sin is often referred to as doing this or that when the truth of what sin is is NON-MOVEMENT ...stagnation....A DAM ...

our story unfolds as we either become so GOOD we see our own non-movement ....or we become so evil that we see our own non-movement .....when this takes place we should notice that we did not move because we were only RE-ACTING to that which we were told IS REAL (Israel) ....

we are either Jacob...the "heel-catcher" causing one to fall backwards ......or have our name changed as we wrestle with the message in the TREE (good and evil) ....into which we fell as the serpent (meaning "to whisper a spell") ....

the spell whispered by the serpent ....which is that part of man-kind that is all about self preservation .....and the self is preserved thru maintaining the spell .....or the hex hex hex....or the sex sex sex ...or the six six six ...or the sicks sicks sicks ....
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the illusion or hex is maintained by way of KIND after KIND ....man-kind after man-kind ....

some like the thought of re-incarnation ...which is only a thought form whereby the past dictates the present and the present dictates the future .....AND nothing changes ....

the NEW WAY ..the way of NOW ...is to make something out of NOTHING ...something NEW ...a new creation..a new heaven and earth as ONE .....

we come into this plain of existence by way of sensual activity ..and learn our own story by way of our senses ....in this method (the old way) our senses train our brain and we learn to create habits which become hard to change or MOVE from ......

the NEW WAY .....is to change this method ....we stop learning from our RECEIVERS/senses ......which train our PERCEIVER/brain (I-EGO-Me).....which maintain the illusion because we do this as we REACT within the illusion ....

the NEW WAY ....is to put on what is called MIND .....the MIND that Jesus was clothed in .....

this NEW MIND (not brain nor the brains old perceptions) will speak to the brain to teach it something from outside the ILLUSION .....the first thing the brain will do is say NO that is impossible because it never was done that way before ...and the senses/receivers will verify that the perceiver does not lie (according to the false illusion) and the journey begins ....

mankind does not make the journey ....the NEW CREATION begins the journey ....

we are just NOW at the beginning ...... :)
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In my experience the most important thing is processing and releasing the e-motion-al kaka even though e-motions are an ILL-US-ion. By processing and releasing the e-motions you can move beyond the hypnotic trance state.
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How do we process and release our emotions?

Should I not identify with my emotions, separate myself from them and just impartially observe them? It seems like a contradiction. How can I process and release them if I'm detached from them and not reacting/identifying with them. Don't I need to feel them and be in them so as to process them?

Who is the "I" that feels the emotions anyway?
If the "ego"/sense of separateness is an illusion, then surely there's no-one there to feel the emotions in the first place, as in there is no sufferer, only suffering.
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E-motion-s are not who you really are beyond "from and mind". They are scripted by the "force" just like those intrusive thoughts you get in your head. They are an ILL-U-sion just like your sense-of-identification. Your natural state is a neutral calm feeling state. E-motions are different than feelings because what happens, for example, when you feel anger? You feel it in your whole body don't you? You clench your fists and your blood pressure rises and perhaps you stomp your feet. See the difference. We are FEELING beings but NOT emotional beings.

Yes you need to feel the e-motion-s to process and release them. There is only one book out there that I know of that you can "work" to process and release the emotional kaka and that's called The Presence Process by Michael Brown. He says key is connecting "negative emotional charges" from your past with current emotions...Connecting "the dots" and thereby breaking the patterns. Like with the abused woman. She sees her daddy abusing her mommy. That's the "initial charge". She then repeats the "initial charge" over and over again through repeated patterns. When she gets older she might get Michael's book. While "working" Michael's book she'll feel her emotions and connect them to the "initial charge" in childhood which cancels the "charge" and voila the pattern is broken. That's what I mean by processing and releasing negative emotional charges. Yes the emotions are an illusion but to SEE beyond them you need to process and release them. Yes you need to feel the feelings just as I had to do to get to this point

The character role ("little i") is more defined. It has the emotions, thoughts in head, sense-of-identification, attachments, set beliefs, downloading/programming, nostalgia regarding the past, etc.etc

Once you go through a process like I've gone through you feel "all spread out" like you're "expanded". The Bigger Self in that case can't really be "pinned down" or is not so definable and is more expansive.

"Little i" is "on the ground" and confused and really definable and predictable. "Big I" is more expansive and "at the mountaintop" and can't really be "pinned" down...expanded..

That's the best way I can describe it

Everything in this world is a LIE. Beliefs are LIES. Who you think you are is a LIE. It's all FALSE and a FICTION.

Hope that helps...
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I love how the thread about illusion is probably the most realistic thread on the sight, irony is great.
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Thanks
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I agree 100% with your observations re Asperger's and you are the only person I have come across who actually understands it. Unfortunately folk feel they need a label to describe someone who is 'different' Funny how you mentioned them targeting finances as I had originally written that I often get into difficulties with money because I let things slide. Each time that the shit is about to hit the fan big style I then get worried. The minute I get worried, i.e., show an emotion the money appears from nowhere.

Thanks for your post.

I'd be leery of any labels in this world because even the medical establishment and mental health establishment is all about maintaining the hypnotic trance...Meaning "we are Borg and you must be assimilated". When you fall outside the programming the ability to control you gets more difficult. When you no longer identify with your given name or your vantage point is no longer EGO then you are less controllable. When you are less controllable the matrix can only use those around you to influence you or it can target your finances.

I used to be anxiety ridden and fear based and very emotional so that last 8 or so years for me is something new. I am a feeling being but I don't feel emotions like anger, sadness or fear. I also don't have thoughts in my head and I don't identify with the past or images from past nor do I identify with my given name. No nostalgia or sentimentalism either. I see love for the illusion that it is and all the other attachments of this world. Trust me I didn't get here overnight but it was a process whereby I pulled out of vantage point of egoic character role and everything connected to it. EGO (for lack of better terminology) is who you think you are but it isn't really who you are. Things of ego are emotions, thoughts in head, sense-of-identification, beliefs, body image, attachments etc.etc.

It's possible you were just more developed at an early age and they label it Asperger's but that's essentially a bunch of bullshit (most likely)

Yes the world seems to be a world of doggies. Good doggies get the bone. Bad doggies get spanked. Monetary system used to keep doggies on leash. So when you emote you get a bone. When you don't react to the ill-us-ions you are left hanging. Kind of like when you react there is almost a symbiotic relationship between yourself and the matrix (feeding)

Carrots are hung out or cookies to keep you hanging on like doom dates and the like. Attachments are like can-dies in the can-die-store. Keep you chasing after things. BeLIEfs seem to keep you like a doggy chasing your tail. Educational system to mind control you. Government to threaten force and violence. Religion so you can worship some false "LIEght God" which is probably the same "God' for all religions. Mental Health industory to keep people on pharma drugs and in trance..same as alchol, pot, sex, love, career, money, materialism, beLIEfs, body, news, conspiracies blah blah blah. Then we have the mon-eye which is the ultimate control when all else fails

After so long I don't give a shit about anything in this world. I'm hanging on to see if anything progresses further and if not I can always "change the channel".

Once you TRANCE END the ILL-US-ions of this world there is little to hold you here aside from perhaps some possible change in scripting ...I'm not holding my breath.

The e-emotions are all about making it REAL when it's not..kind of like 911 is used as a marker or school shootings to make it all seem the more REAL.

You might find also that "enlightenment" mimics psychopathy. In fact you might find that many with Asperger's or that are labeled Narcissists are actually just "enlightened" individuals. It may sound strange to those reading this but there is much truth in what I'm saying.


Remember the matrix is designed to keep you in the hypnotic trance...It's designed to en-trance you with opiums or by labeling you this or that to "box you in". To TRANCE END the ill-US-ions is to NOT buy into any of it including the Asperger's diagnosis
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Yes
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Thanks Wind Rider for your ideas
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Everything in this world is a LIE. Beliefs are LIES. Who you think you are is a LIE. It's all FALSE and a FICTION.

Hope that helps...
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So why are you here, OP? Did the FORCE force you, against your will, to incarnate on this planet? If so, then you are acknowledging that the force is stronger than you and believing that everything that is not stronger or equal to this force is a LIE. This means that you are a LIE too. If you are also a LIE, it makes no sense to resist the LIE.

But, on the other hand if you are not a LIE then no force would have been able to force you to be born in this illusion. So the only logical conclusion is, that you are here on this earth, out of your own free will.

Why were you attracted to this world that you chose to be born here? What made you temporarily give up your divine powers and choose experience of living a life inside a LIE?
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Everything in this world is a LIE. Beliefs are LIES. Who you think you are is a LIE. It's all FALSE and a FICTION.

Hope that helps...
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So why are you here, OP? Did the FORCE force you, against your will, to incarnate on this planet? If so, then you are acknowledging that the force is stronger than you and believing that everything that is not stronger or equal to this force is a LIE. This means that you are a LIE too. If you are also a LIE, it makes no sense to resist the LIE.

But, on the other hand if you are not a LIE then no force would have been able to force you to be born in this illusion. So the only logical conclusion is, that you are here on this earth, out of your own free will.

Why were you attracted to this world that you chose to be born here? What made you temporarily give up your divine powers and choose experience of living a life inside a LIE?
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Stick with SIMPLE.

You are trying to use logic or intellect to make sense of this world. Logic and intellect are TRAPs of this world which is why they're promoted . Your gut or intuition is your best indicator and your FALSE self egoic mind can't possibly make "heads or tails" of anything. Problem for characters is their emotions also cloud perception.

You have many ass-u-me-ptions in what you write. Did I incarnate? Was I attracted to this world? Did I choose to be born here?

Thing is that people are pro-gram-med from day one. The sky is blue yada yada. Point being that ass-u-me-ptions are made based on programming you've been downloaded with..Programming such as karma, incarnating, free will etc.etc.

I suggest to you that you get out of the logical mind which is the character role intellectual mind. It will confuse you and complicate things.

Stick with simple. Use your own gut and your senses. Look around you and what do you see. You know deep within that this world isn't right. Something doesn't feel right about it, correct?

The logical mind is the confused mind. It is the one labeled egoic mind and it always asks because it needs to know.

What I can tell you is my experience. That this world is controlled by a "force" and this "force" controls everyone around me and even what is scripted in my world. It seems to look for emotions and it manipulates and controls characters around me. They have NO FREE WILL

It appears as if everyone is a manipulated and controlled Pavlovian dog and kept on a leash using digits (mon-eye). Once you no longer are in character role it seems you not controllable but then this "force" will try and use those around you to control and manipulate you. It will also target your finances to gain your submission.

If you resonate with your given name then you are in character role. If you look nostalgically towards the past then you are in character role. If you get sentimental then you are in character role. If you feel emotions like sadness, anger or fear then you are in character role. If you get racing thoughts in your head then you are in character role.

The "force" controls everyone who is in character role. People like myself who no longer have vantage point of character role are not controllable so "force" uses events or those around me to try and manipulate or control. It is useless because I can SEE everything it is doing because I can SEE into the scripting.

If you are still in character role you won't SEE anything I'm talking about. The "force" still controls you if you're still in character role.
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When I am not this hunchback that you see, I sleep beneath the golden hill.
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