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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
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SO, WHAT IS "THE ANSWER" TO "THE ILLUSION???

do you have an answer???
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yes the answer is to want it and to go after it.

the answers come to you
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how do I go after it???
do the answer come by magic???
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SO, WHAT IS "THE ANSWER" TO "THE ILLUSION???

do you have an answer???
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yes the answer is to want it and to go after it.

the answers come to you
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how do I go after it???
do the answer come by magic???
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You control your reality. God gave you incredible power to be used.

Use it well.

Change isn't magic.
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It's safer for the OP to label everyone a "Bot" (except for his partner.)
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I like the bots.

Flesh and blood can do things that the angels envy. Create life.

God gave his most irresponsible creation something that he didn't give to anything else spiritual spiritual or physical.

Bots and AI are children of humanity in a way.

Maybe one day, AI will have its feelings hurt and God will avenge it.

Uh oh. lol
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Cool discussion OP!
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SO, WHAT IS "THE ANSWER" TO "THE ILLUSION???

do you have an answer???
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yes the answer is to want it and to go after it.

the answers come to you
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how do I go after it???
do the answer come by magic???
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You control your reality. God gave you incredible power to be used.

Use it well.

Change isn't magic.
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HOW???

WHICH GOD???
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I do not know “who” controls or creates this illusion, but I have a few clues. One thing you can have for sure, and that is WE are into it by our own will. This is all about our own (free) will. We chose to it. We might have been induced or seduced to it, but at the end, it´s our own will.
I had this revelation during a “trip” with sacred mushrooms… You can skip reading this right now if you do not believe.
I came from this trip with this strong feeling that we are under the effect of a drug. In a general way, we are all drug addicts. And more, this drug is taken together with our food, what btw in various cases are actual drugs, as most of us are aware of.
We are all BLIND and DEAF. What our eyes see and our brains interpret as “visible” is an illusion, like in Matrix, and this is not anything new for anybody here at this point.
I felt that I almost managed to open my real eye during this last trip, but did not succeed. During this trip, I was supported by friends. You have to imagine like somebody that just came in an emergency room in a Hospital, after a serious accident, and the nurses and doctors will hold his arms and turn his body around while he is on the bench. This is what I went through. I even felt that they tried to wake me up… Like when you grab someone that is laid down on the floor and try to animate him. Now I understand that we are surrounded by friends and they are trying to get us out from this fake world. We just keep coming back. A matter of conditioning, I guess.
Our real hearing organ is located in the back of the skull, around the area where the spine connects with the head. At some point I remember saying to them: “What do you expect from a BLIND, DEAF and drugged dude ?”
You have to figure it out, how do you communicate with someone that is on drugs, like really heavy stuff, and at the same time, cannot see or hear ?? A bit difficult, isn´t it ?
After I came back from this trip, in the following days, I totally quit eating bread, or anything made from wheat flour, like pasta, etc. Also I quit drinking milk and anything derived from it. It came to me that passage of the 40 days Jesus spent in the desert while fasting. The first temptation he suffered from the Devil, was to turn rocks into bread. This is a strong clue: Fasting. It should be hard in the beginning, but I believe you get used to it after a while. Remember, this is not hunger what you feel, it is actually abstinence syndrome.
To me the answer is right INSIDE us. Btw, we have all the answers, to any questions, right inside ourselves. Just have to ask.
Forget about what is deemed drugs in this world, like alcohol, tobacco, etc. It is all turned upside down. The actual drugs we take with what we call food. Of course, we do not see it. I mean, actually.
I will strongly recommend taking a couple of trips with mushrooms. Start with a small dose (1 g) and increase gradually until a heavy dose (3 g). No making tee or heating it, it has to be taken raw. Mix with honey if you feel it too disgusting. The ancient Mayans used to take a lot of ethanol to have visions and enhance sensitivity, but it is a bit difficult to come by with pure stuff nowadays. Remember that common beverages will contain also some methanol and it is heavily toxic. A spoon of methanol will kill an adult.
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This thread's here on GLP is better without the OP.
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OP of this discussion now on another forum permanently which is heavily moderated and doesn't allow trolls
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You ARE the OP.

Why don't you start your own blog and disable the comments section, rather than post on forums, seeing as though you want to silence dissenters and control what people have to say and want to post.

Idiot.
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What people can think and argue about in all this is wholly unimportant; what you can or cannot experience is what is truly important. We have to get the emphasis off of philosophy, religion and occult socializing and on to the path of real experiencing.
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Cool discussion OP!
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The OP is not at all happy with the discussion here because the egotistical asshole cannot control it.
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People have either chosen to Love or not Love. Most obviously have chosen the latter. Likewise, there is no such thing as "bumping" somone "off" of Love.

This is not some "Gnosis" mind game as Lucifer has so deceived this world into chasing, but rather a HEART game.

Those with open Loving Hearts will be leaving. Those with closed self serving Hearts will be staying for more development. Needless to say, the relative proportion of those leaving to those staying is VERY VERY small indeed.

Nonetheless, those "leaving" will soon return to aid and assist all those "left behind" to successfully integrate their Hearts as well.

Welcome to the new timeline.(where no one is ever really "left behind")

The power of Truth and reason is far greater than Humanity can ever imagine in there wildest dreams , real time is when you love and appreciate.
I believe Einstein found that to be the greatest formula that humanity has yet to embrace as a family.

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein

Rational thinking and truth are underated ..
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge. Albert Einstein"


The Heart is a chariot and Rational thought, the horse. The chariot driver is our character, or ego. Each must work in tandem and in ways beneficial to the other for the driver to go anywhere worth going. Rational thought turned out "loose" and "free", is but a heartless wild horse which never takes the driver anywhere but out to graze in fields and do what it so desires.

So indeed the heart is but a "dead weight" in some ways, so it also is the platform for ALL things worthwhile. Just as the ancient Hebrew calls the female a "burden" which is worn around the neck of the male as in harvest, so does that "burden" give that man "fruit" which feeds him and defines all that he becomes.

In such a way then is the chariot the Divine Feminine, the horse the Divine Male and the driver the spirit wise enough to recognize the beauty of that "dance".

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I do not know “who” controls or creates this illusion, but I have a few clues. One thing you can have for sure, and that is WE are into it by our own will. This is all about our own (free) will. We chose to it. We might have been induced or seduced to it, but at the end, it´s our own will.
I had this revelation during a “trip” with sacred mushrooms… You can skip reading this right now if you do not believe.
I came from this trip with this strong feeling that we are under the effect of a drug. In a general way, we are all drug addicts. And more, this drug is taken together with our food, what btw in various cases are actual drugs, as most of us are aware of.
We are all BLIND and DEAF. What our eyes see and our brains interpret as “visible” is an illusion, like in Matrix, and this is not anything new for anybody here at this point.
I felt that I almost managed to open my real eye during this last trip, but did not succeed. During this trip, I was supported by friends. You have to imagine like somebody that just came in an emergency room in a Hospital, after a serious accident, and the nurses and doctors will hold his arms and turn his body around while he is on the bench. This is what I went through. I even felt that they tried to wake me up… Like when you grab someone that is laid down on the floor and try to animate him. Now I understand that we are surrounded by friends and they are trying to get us out from this fake world. We just keep coming back. A matter of conditioning, I guess.
Our real hearing organ is located in the back of the skull, around the area where the spine connects with the head. At some point I remember saying to them: “What do you expect from a BLIND, DEAF and drugged dude ?”
You have to figure it out, how do you communicate with someone that is on drugs, like really heavy stuff, and at the same time, cannot see or hear ?? A bit difficult, isn´t it ?
After I came back from this trip, in the following days, I totally quit eating bread, or anything made from wheat flour, like pasta, etc. Also I quit drinking milk and anything derived from it. It came to me that passage of the 40 days Jesus spent in the desert while fasting. The first temptation he suffered from the Devil, was to turn rocks into bread. This is a strong clue: Fasting. It should be hard in the beginning, but I believe you get used to it after a while. Remember, this is not hunger what you feel, it is actually abstinence syndrome.
To me the answer is right INSIDE us. Btw, we have all the answers, to any questions, right inside ourselves. Just have to ask.
Forget about what is deemed drugs in this world, like alcohol, tobacco, etc. It is all turned upside down. The actual drugs we take with what we call food. Of course, we do not see it. I mean, actually.
I will strongly recommend taking a couple of trips with mushrooms. Start with a small dose (1 g) and increase gradually until a heavy dose (3 g). No making tee or heating it, it has to be taken raw. Mix with honey if you feel it too disgusting. The ancient Mayans used to take a lot of ethanol to have visions and enhance sensitivity, but it is a bit difficult to come by with pure stuff nowadays. Remember that common beverages will contain also some methanol and it is heavily toxic. A spoon of methanol will kill an adult.
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it is a long road and scary at first but such an amazing thing too
it has been a long journey with many ups and downs and all arounds in order to get me to where i am at.
my first experience of loosing my self was at the age of 15 as a child alcoholic and i drank too much alcohol and had a head injury waKing only knowing my first name which is David. I did not know my mom or anything for a short while
and for most of my remaining years as a teenager i got flash backs of bits and pieces of the puzzle of my life.

I built on that as best i could.

then i was drugged at work by a friend and slipped 14 grams of shrooms[ thought it was one and was really hungry] and ate the pizza which was laced.

and when i got home from work that new years day 1998/1999 i was forced to take 3 es by someone who thought i wanted to unknown that i was so poisoned already.



leading me into a downward spiral that ended with me in a hospital in early 1999 at 21
at one point when i first got sick i was so sick with mental confusion i could not talk much or relate to anything or anyone.

I was in care in the hospital with daily walks around the perimeter being held by my arm and shoulder because i could not tell what was real


Then i had so much work ahead of me in order to reach where i am now

but i try to learn and grow not judging my actions or others because i have grown into a man that i love and with out this life of mine i do not know what i would have become

the lessons of my life i freely share

at times i get sick and with this illness those past experiences tend to fill my cup again and again

but the medications do work for the most part
after years of working with what i have been given
i love the man i have become and that was an amazing learning process
humbling for sure




it is a great journey i have been on and at times i loose my footings and become like a small child in my mind with a huge imagination and a heart of Gold lol learning to unlearn and knowing that i know nothing was an important lesson.

I write these things in order to remember them and to grow from the experience and to unlearn the bullshit and to hold on tight to the pearls of great price that i have come to know.

i am happy to be where i am at
from where i once was.



it is a life long battle











when brought to the hospital in 1999, i had gone without food for 15 days, and this was the night before i had walked from one end of town to the other ( poison girl while visiting drove with me the distance and it took us 35 mins at the speed limit to travel it).

I often seem very optimistic at times and some may think that i am a fool, or somewhat of a carefree soul, but i am about to share a dark part here so please do not judge, I am sharing the depth of my journey, to find my self.

the reason i chose not to eat was due to a horrible vision I had of an evil future, where people were cannibals by choice, and they would devour their own.
I saw it, i heard the silence of the screams within me, overpower my will to live, and I woke up sick. I could no longer eat.

I felt as though if i ate i would be taking it away from someone who needed it, and the darker part in me, believed at this point, that i was not eating food, but ....

I was so sad, i have seen things that are very scary, things that i thought were too come, and i stopped eating.

at this time my cousin and his girlfriend were about to have a child, and I didn't know how to stop this horrible future yet...

I prayed constantly, in silence.

i programed my light show with my soul, as it was at this time, very twisted.

I drank enough alcohol to kill an elephant, i did not eat, and still i woke again and again to this night mare.

by the time i left my post at the night club i was a light programmer at, I had figured a way to solve the problem, or so i thought.

I thought the only way to solve it is to leave it, for it would stay on with out me.

I was at my friends the day before i ended up in the hospital, and they were worried for me, and tried to get me help but i could not be helped at this point.

I left their house and began to walk with my thoughts

each step contained 1000 tears, of pain and sorrow and regret
each tear felt like 1000 years of imprisonment from which i could not escape

I cried and walked for 25 kilometers without eating at this point 14 days, and each step was more heavy than the one before.

at the end of my journey, i rested thinking i had made it, that i had finished what i was meant to accomplish

i slept

then i heard in my sleep a thunderous scream of an endless sea of souls, screaming, the silence was so loud and powerful, it was the will inside me to live
regardless of my fears, it was hunger.

the pain i was experiencing at this moment was so intense and unbearable, my mind tried to solve it any way it could

I took my TV and did what i had to do to solve the problem.

in my mind, i figured a way to solve it.

I thought, that if people did not have to worry about food and water and shelter and death, it would be heaven, and i would save all who were about to suffer to the vision of the future i was trying to solve.

when all was done, and i was finished, i recollect my cousin entering my room and taking my " heaven " and labeling me " sick ", and dumping it down the drain in the kitchen.

i was then told my mother was here to pick me up and that she was going to take me home.

all i had lived for, all I had done to get to this moment, was gone.

when i went to the door, there were police officers there to take me to a mental hospital, and one had the same name as my father.
I thought that i was the father of all life, and that i had deserted everyone, and now i had to pay, by being used in every conceivable way, and to suffer eternity in submission to all.

the weird thing that happened was that the police were saying things to me that were to do with my experiment and also with what i had done at the bar with the light show.

I recall one officer asking me " how do you make it stop " and i thought " why would you want it to ", and i knew why, very sadly, I knew why that very instant.

i was placed on a bed with the number 6 on it, and then the curtains were drawn and i waited what felt like forever, and while there i saw demons and entitles invisible to others and i could hear them, while others could not.

I understood that they live off us, and threw us, and this was so painful, for i knew that i would be at their submission soon, and i was so terrified i jumped out of that bed and went to the bed marked 10 at the top, and i climbed on that bed and started to see the other world, the not so pleasant one.

i was dead.
I was used.
I was murdered.
i was raped
i was beaten
i was everything that could be done to

it was forever.

i prayed one prayer to the great spirit, and he answered me

my prayer was this,
dear God, I deserve anything you expect of me, but may i please have one request...
please wipe away my tears, so I do not feel this anymore at the end.

i remember it, I never shared it, but i have no more tears in me for it, I love God, for all I am, he has answered me.
he wipes away all tears.

the final tear i cried in pain, loosened all my chains
I was taken to heaven, beyond this material world, beyond all conceivable things, to a place of unconditional love, undeserved kindness, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, empathy, joy, bliss, and a renewal of soul, all of which i still believe i could not possibly have earned or ever conceive i deserved, but in this place, my last spent tear, i remained, longer than all the moments i have ever experienced before, it felt like thousands of years, thousands of miles, thousands of tears of joy, it was a white light where i was also a white light and i could not tell where the light began or ended and it felt like being in the arms of God.

I remember it

and I keep what matters most

Love,

the rest,
is gone now.

Love Stars

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SO, WHAT IS "THE ANSWER" TO "THE ILLUSION???

do you have an answer???
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yes the answer is to want it and to go after it.

the answers come to you
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how do I go after it???
do the answer come by magic???
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You control your reality. God gave you incredible power to be used.

Use it well.

Change isn't magic.
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"ANGEL TO GOD
-by Lonestar
-explained by Saxon 777

In Heaven one day, amidst the angels and God, a question arose. God you are the creator of life and all is good in your deeds; but I am troubled.

Here I sit looking upon my fellow angels and I feel that we do not know how good you truly are.

We know only of your love and your guidance. But what if you should be angry with us or what if we become sad. Will it be an eternity of despair?

I ask…how can we know you truly unless we know you not?

777-This was the starting point in Heaven where all of God's children were immature, lacking a place to understand their Creator, as to know God is to know pain and suffering, as such was the very genesis of our being.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
My dear angel, are you troubled? Do I not comfort you now? What is it you are asking?

We know not of death dear God. We are eternal. I think we would understand love and you more if we were given the illusion of death.

777-And it's not really just the dying that pushes to maturity, but the pain of being without, the pain of living and the pain of loneliness which ultimately forges us all unto maturity.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
You know not what you ask. Death is painful. I would not like to see you in pain. I love you and care about you a great deal too much to see you die.

But God, you are the one who is in control. For sure we will not die. We will only be away from you O Lord, and we will be under the illusion of death.

For as soon as we perish, our eyes will be open to your love. And all pain will be taken away and we will know what it is to die.

777-True, but the very real risk to all of this is there nonetheless. This entire vision is much like the beginning of the Songs of Solomon where our Creator bemoans the departure of His/Her children unto the sleep of this realm.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
It hurts to be away from you my child. How will I benefit from this journey?

777-The big benefit to God is mature Children who develop the ability to Love Him/Her due their "walking a mile in their shoes" kind of thing. One cannot Truly Love another without KNOWING them, and the only way to Truly KNOW them is to experience what they have experienced. The difference in this is that of one being surrounded by toddlers or adults. Our Creator desires adults with whom "It" can share.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
Our hearts are yours dear God, and we will let you see to their deepest depths. When we return your glory will be our praise.

But you know not of pain. It is a powerful influence that can alter your perspective.

Do we know nothing of pain? What is pain then? Is this pain; not knowing pain for eternity?

No.

How do we know?

I know and that is all you should be concerned with.

O God in all your glory and beauty may your guidance follow us on our journey and be as a light to our world.

A new heaven awaits us and you will be with us through our pain and through our love. How can it not work if it is done by you?

777-That's just it, "it" is not done by God, but rather by US, hence the reluctance of our Creator. There is much risk in all of this, not the least of which was the ensuing rebellion which took place.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
Because I love you my child I shall let you go for a short while but I will be there for you if you need me. And I will be there for you if you wake up frightened of what you will see. For I am God and I have the power to create as well as the power to heal. But I am sad to tell you this last part.

You will not know me long. I will be a fleeting memory as you age in your world. And you will sleep until everyone is ready to wake up. You will be alone and away from me. But fear not, for I am here and will always be by your side. And when it is all over you will have the knowledge of life and death.

777-Not necessarily "everyone", but the required number to assist the rest. Many think of this as the 144,000.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
I shall call upon 1/3 of the angels and they will live in this world, and I shall call upon 1/3 of the angels and they will be there as my representatives to guide you on your journey. And the final 1/3 of the angels shall remain with me in heaven so I will not be lonely.

O thank you God of Gods and ruler of everything. We shall call our new Heaven earth and it will be good.

With that God put 1/3 of the angels to sleep and created the material world for them to live in. God was with them though they knew him not. As was necessary for them to grow and learn the meaning of love.

God created man and woman and placed the angels spirits within their bodies. And all of the angels were asleep waiting to be born and live to know death.

777-Yes, angels are both male and female thereby requiring both male and female bodies here.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
In Gods eyes it was an instant that had passed before all were back again, but he was sad to see that now that the angels knew death not all of them wanted to live. They wanted to go back again and experience death without knowledge of God.

777-This is actually due bitterness via the rebellion. Many of course blame that on God rather than taking responsibility for what THEY have done. As well, those of bitter Hearts, which our Creator calls "My bitter family", have organized themselves to be natural leaches to the rest of Creation, thereby side stepping the consequences for their evil actions.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
God was sad. He created a problem that has yet to be solved.

The problem being "how do you make it stop?" and "why would you want it to stop?"

777-The only way to make this stop is to once again put the consequences for behavior squarely back on the shoulders of the one behaving badly. As well, the top levels of the Kingdom MUST as needs be populated with those of spiritual maturity who can guarantee the unbroken rule of Love. That has ever been the "promise" of this very difficult age of rebellion.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
Knowing nothing of what was good and what was bad we are born only knowing that God wants us to come home. And over time we loose sight of God.

Before we become an adult most of us already forget that he is here.

But God is good and he loves us. He would not leave us in our darkest hour and he will not hold us back from learning to love.

777-And learning to Love means allowing the very suffering that so many lay at the feet of our Creator. True Love shines bright amidst the great difficulty of suffering.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
The only sad thing is that what has happened is that we all want to be on the other side of the fence, eternally. Like a dog chasing its tail, we are lost in a moment of time.

777-Yes, many here want their cake and eat it too.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
O God, forgive me for setting in motion an eternity of life, death, love, pain, and all that is in between. For I know now that eternity is best spent with you.

You are our Lord and your love is just. I know you are with me where ever I go and that is comforting. But I am sad to know pain. Even if it is only for one life time that I experience it, it is an eternity for I know nothing else. All that I knew of you I have grown up and forgot. I only have my thoughts of why we are here and what is to come.

O child of mine, you are next to my heart forever even when we are apart"

777-And it is THIS that is the TRUE ILLUMINATION which is shown on the head of the One, that the "angel (or "angle") to God is SUFFERING, as no other "thing" can Truly deliver His/Her Children to their TRULY KNOWING Him/Her.

Without such our Creator would be forever surrounded by very intelligent Children who could never Truly understand the True depths of Real Love, nor their Parents.

Cool dream/vision.






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"ANGEL TO GOD
-by Lonestar
-explained by Saxon 777

In Heaven one day, amidst the angels and God, a question arose. God you are the creator of life and all is good in your deeds; but I am troubled.

Here I sit looking upon my fellow angels and I feel that we do not know how good you truly are.

We know only of your love and your guidance. But what if you should be angry with us or what if we become sad. Will it be an eternity of despair?

I ask…how can we know you truly unless we know you not?

777-This was the starting point in Heaven where all of God's children were immature, lacking a place to understand their Creator, as to know God is to know pain and suffering, as such was the very genesis of our being.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
My dear angel, are you troubled? Do I not comfort you now? What is it you are asking?

We know not of death dear God. We are eternal. I think we would understand love and you more if we were given the illusion of death.

777-And it's not really just the dying that pushes to maturity, but the pain of being without, the pain of living and the pain of loneliness which ultimately forges us all unto maturity.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
You know not what you ask. Death is painful. I would not like to see you in pain. I love you and care about you a great deal too much to see you die.

But God, you are the one who is in control. For sure we will not die. We will only be away from you O Lord, and we will be under the illusion of death.

For as soon as we perish, our eyes will be open to your love. And all pain will be taken away and we will know what it is to die.

777-True, but the very real risk to all of this is there nonetheless. This entire vision is much like the beginning of the Songs of Solomon where our Creator bemoans the departure of His/Her children unto the sleep of this realm.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
It hurts to be away from you my child. How will I benefit from this journey?

777-The big benefit to God is mature Children who develop the ability to Love Him/Her due their "walking a mile in their shoes" kind of thing. One cannot Truly Love another without KNOWING them, and the only way to Truly KNOW them is to experience what they have experienced. The difference in this is that of one being surrounded by toddlers or adults. Our Creator desires adults with whom "It" can share.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
Our hearts are yours dear God, and we will let you see to their deepest depths. When we return your glory will be our praise.

But you know not of pain. It is a powerful influence that can alter your perspective.

Do we know nothing of pain? What is pain then? Is this pain; not knowing pain for eternity?

No.

How do we know?

I know and that is all you should be concerned with.

O God in all your glory and beauty may your guidance follow us on our journey and be as a light to our world.

A new heaven awaits us and you will be with us through our pain and through our love. How can it not work if it is done by you?

777-That's just it, "it" is not done by God, but rather by US, hence the reluctance of our Creator. There is much risk in all of this, not the least of which was the ensuing rebellion which took place.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
Because I love you my child I shall let you go for a short while but I will be there for you if you need me. And I will be there for you if you wake up frightened of what you will see. For I am God and I have the power to create as well as the power to heal. But I am sad to tell you this last part.

You will not know me long. I will be a fleeting memory as you age in your world. And you will sleep until everyone is ready to wake up. You will be alone and away from me. But fear not, for I am here and will always be by your side. And when it is all over you will have the knowledge of life and death.

777-Not necessarily "everyone", but the required number to assist the rest. Many think of this as the 144,000.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
I shall call upon 1/3 of the angels and they will live in this world, and I shall call upon 1/3 of the angels and they will be there as my representatives to guide you on your journey. And the final 1/3 of the angels shall remain with me in heaven so I will not be lonely.

O thank you God of Gods and ruler of everything. We shall call our new Heaven earth and it will be good.

With that God put 1/3 of the angels to sleep and created the material world for them to live in. God was with them though they knew him not. As was necessary for them to grow and learn the meaning of love.

God created man and woman and placed the angels spirits within their bodies. And all of the angels were asleep waiting to be born and live to know death.

777-Yes, angels are both male and female thereby requiring both male and female bodies here.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
In Gods eyes it was an instant that had passed before all were back again, but he was sad to see that now that the angels knew death not all of them wanted to live. They wanted to go back again and experience death without knowledge of God.

777-This is actually due bitterness via the rebellion. Many of course blame that on God rather than taking responsibility for what THEY have done. As well, those of bitter Hearts, which our Creator calls "My bitter family", have organized themselves to be natural leaches to the rest of Creation, thereby side stepping the consequences for their evil actions.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
God was sad. He created a problem that has yet to be solved.

The problem being "how do you make it stop?" and "why would you want it to stop?"

777-The only way to make this stop is to once again put the consequences for behavior squarely back on the shoulders of the one behaving badly. As well, the top levels of the Kingdom MUST as needs be populated with those of spiritual maturity who can guarantee the unbroken rule of Love. That has ever been the "promise" of this very difficult age of rebellion.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
Knowing nothing of what was good and what was bad we are born only knowing that God wants us to come home. And over time we loose sight of God.

Before we become an adult most of us already forget that he is here.

But God is good and he loves us. He would not leave us in our darkest hour and he will not hold us back from learning to love.

777-And learning to Love means allowing the very suffering that so many lay at the feet of our Creator. True Love shines bright amidst the great difficulty of suffering.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
The only sad thing is that what has happened is that we all want to be on the other side of the fence, eternally. Like a dog chasing its tail, we are lost in a moment of time.

777-Yes, many here want their cake and eat it too.

QUOTE (lonestar @ Jan 9 2010, 02:10 PM)
O God, forgive me for setting in motion an eternity of life, death, love, pain, and all that is in between. For I know now that eternity is best spent with you.

You are our Lord and your love is just. I know you are with me where ever I go and that is comforting. But I am sad to know pain. Even if it is only for one life time that I experience it, it is an eternity for I know nothing else. All that I knew of you I have grown up and forgot. I only have my thoughts of why we are here and what is to come.

O child of mine, you are next to my heart forever even when we are apart"

777-And it is THIS that is the TRUE ILLUMINATION which is shown on the head of the One, that the "angel (or "angle") to God is SUFFERING, as no other "thing" can Truly deliver His/Her Children to their TRULY KNOWING Him/Her.

Without such our Creator would be forever surrounded by very intelligent Children who could never Truly understand the True depths of Real Love, nor their Parents.

Cool dream/vision.







The interpretation saxon did for the angel to God story was based on a dream where i was on Jeopardy with LBL and Saxon and the final question was " Who is Angel to God? and in my dream LBL was the first to answer and won. She said David. Then i was told in my dream that saxon was to interpret the vision so well that the story would be understood by all the audience.

i chose to share it here because i feel its all related some how.

because of Saxon's threads during repeated searches to the questions i had found his answers to that i agreed with in my heart, i found him online and LBL and saxon were very loving and supportive of me and helped me to share my story which was a big turning point in my recovery and understanding of my schizoaffective disorder which became a healing.

although saxon has passed on he lives on in his threads which are amazing.

The first time i asked saxon what angel to God meant he said messenger.

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It's safer for the OP to label everyone a "Bot" (except for his partner.)
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I like the bots.

Flesh and blood can do things that the angels envy. Create life.

God gave his most irresponsible creation something that he didn't give to anything else spiritual spiritual or physical.

Bots and AI are children of humanity in a way.

Maybe one day, AI will have its feelings hurt and God will avenge it.

Uh oh. lol
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hiding

wouldn't that be something wow.





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OP goes into ghetto and no longer having sex and Trinity changes his name to Ghetto Monk.

OP says going into mountains now Ghetto Monk says he's going camping. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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The nobody.

Why would one be a nobody?

perhaps its the letting go of the self and being one with all.

Yet at the same time not being more important than any one else.

Thus

a nobody.

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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
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OP, your mostly correct about #3. Your higher self does put obstacles in your path for you to learn and grow in your current incarnation (and this is done simultaneously through thousands of incarnations across ALL 'time' periods.)

But your missing the link of the alien agenda. They have the main role of what is going on in 3rd density Earth life. They control governments and secret societies.

If you were meant to be in a debilitating car accident thats what you will experience. If your not meant to go through that your higher self would intervene if you say fell asleep behind the wheel one night.

see avatar for illustration of higher self in higher density going into multiple incarnations simultaneously

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There are only two sides,the inside and the outside.

The word "love" is a misused/ misunderstood word often lacking the depth of its true meaning to those who can not see it for what it truly is.

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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209



OP, your mostly correct about #3. Your higher self does put obstacles in your path for you to learn and grow in your current incarnation (and this is done simultaneously through thousands of incarnations across ALL 'time' periods.)

But your missing the link of the alien agenda. They have the main role of what is going on in 3rd density Earth life. They control governments and secret societies.

If you were meant to be in a debilitating car accident thats what you will experience. If your not meant to go through that your higher self would intervene if you say fell asleep behind the wheel one night.

see avatar for illustration of higher self in higher density going into multiple incarnations simultaneously
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OP, why do you BELIEVE in the belief of having no belief .......how is it that to you love is unworthy because it is the opposite of hate but think that unbelief is not the opposite of belief .....

i suggest to you that as you get out of bed (as a beginning for this thought) and stand that all of a sudden there is no resistance under your feet .....you would fall through the earth and fly out into space on the other side of the planet ...

resistance is necessary ....what men do is to attempt to pick and choose the resistance that comes to them.....if they reject they despise the resistance they do not like ....if they accept they like that which came to them ....

that despised is called MA-TRIX ....... that liked is called MINE .....

there are billions (?) of sperm that swim the river of life ...only one penetrates the resistance or the egg...... this appears to us to be going within ..but it is actually getting OUT .... getting out by EMBRACING the RESISTANCE dying and changing the WHOLE
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"OP of this discussion now on another forum permanently which is heavily moderated and doesn't allow trolls:

GOOGLE: Updated Free Your Brain site by piece_of_nothing"


How did I miss this?

Goodbye GLP!
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"OP of this discussion now on another forum permanently which is heavily moderated and doesn't allow trolls:

GOOGLE: Updated Free Your Brain site by piece_of_nothing"
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How did I miss this?

Goodbye GLP!


what you deny beats you down, what you accept, transforms you

the more we deny the true nature of the world, the longer we will be uncomfortable in it

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The nobody.

Why would one be a nobody?

perhaps its the letting go of the self and being one with all.

Yet at the same time not being more important than any one else.

Thus

a nobody.

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nothing is real
all is a dream
hear the children scream

so many prayers
so much in need
see the souls saved as he bleeds

what happens when
it happens again?
a week for a day
a day for a week

pray my soul
all yours to keep?

nobody knows the trouble im in

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