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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
soulsurvivor

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Yea, right, cute. Everyone here is an Anonymous Coward. You put up yourself and I'll think about joining in.
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Yea, right, cute. Everyone here is an Anonymous Coward. You put up yourself and I'll think about joining in.
 Quoting: soulsurvivor


Sorry about the overlooking Awakened. Ok, I'll think about it.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


That wasn't my question.

Do the tornadoes in my dreams appear real? Yep

Do my dreams seem as real as "waking life". Yep

Sure seemed real that King Kong was chasing me as a child in my dreams.

You have your answer.
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Yea, right, cute. Everyone here is an Anonymous Coward. You put up yourself and I'll think about joining in.
 Quoting: soulsurvivor


whatever

I've got more posts than you, and I've been registered longer. You can ESAD.

Last Edited by Aleilius on 05/07/2011 04:10 PM
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


I can objectively state that FREE WILL is the biggest delusion we've got going.

In fact maybe your choice to put on socks with your shoes today was a scripted thought and action.
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EPIC THREADNESS!!!
 Quoting: TagMySwag


Thanks for that!

I'm in rare form today.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


That wasn't my question.

Do the tornadoes in my dreams appear real? Yep

Do my dreams seem as real as "waking life". Yep

Sure seemed real that King Kong was chasing me as a child in my dreams.

You have your answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209



So how come you call one dreams and one waking life? Seems like you got it worked out to me - where is the illusion?
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this so needs to be pinned
 Quoting: TagMySwag


Thanks for that!
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OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


I can objectively state that FREE WILL is the biggest delusion we've got going.

In fact maybe your choice to put on socks with your shoes today was a scripted thought and action.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


Quite the claim. If you're into "realism" what about the non-deterministic nature of modern particle theory?
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Here it is illustrated in exquisite detail

[link to www.iww.org]
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209

The "I" (or ego) is not in the driver's seat, it's the unconscious that's really running things...... maybe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373871


Yeah but what if you've already lost your sense of "I" (or ego) yet you're still not in the driver's seat.

And yes we're unconscious of what really is going on.

If I'm the bigger ME creating this illusion there will definitely be changes coming once I "appear to leave" this illusion.

This is tedious business.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Papa Smurf.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Objective, Rules, and General GameplayOne player, particularly a female (but sometimes a male) plays the "mother", "father" or "captain". The other players are the "children" or "crewmembers". To begin the game, the mother or father stands at one end of a room, while all the children line up at the other end. The children take turns asking "Mother/Father, may I ____?" and makes a movement suggestion. For example, one might ask, "Mother/Father, may I take five steps forward?" The mother/father either replies "Yes, you may" or "No, you may not do that, but you may _____ instead" and inserts his/her own suggestion. The players usually move closer to the mother/father but are sometimes led farther away. Even if the mother/father makes an unfavorable suggestion, the child must still perform it. The first of the children to reach the location of the mother/father wins the game. That child then becomes the mother/father himself, the original mother/father becomes a child, and a new round begins.


Weird....I don't know why this just came to mind...but it did...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


Not weird, real good observation actually, this is how the game is played.
BRAVO!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1299003


you know...I have always asked...but never have I said May I. I'm going to try this in a new perspective.hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


No point asking when it's scripted! "May I" doesn't change the script!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


if it does not, then neither does thinking the impossible, or unimaginable etc....anything is possible or impossible;-)
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Yeah I said fuck it, I'm not messing around anymore, I'm ready to give my life. I will no longer contribute to the evil system. I no longer pay or file income taxes or contribute in any way that I can avoid. The time has come to crash the system and if it won't crash then I'm ready to die. It's time to stop being fearful slaves and time to become gods.
 Quoting: Awakened


It will only happen when it's scripted and in the time alloted by the PC (Program Controller)

You and everyone will do as scripted.

I just want to return to the cave and not see what I see but I can't go back.
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Yeah I said fuck it, I'm not messing around anymore, I'm ready to give my life. I will no longer contribute to the evil system. I no longer pay or file income taxes or contribute in any way that I can avoid. The time has come to crash the system and if it won't crash then I'm ready to die. It's time to stop being fearful slaves and time to become gods.
 Quoting: Awakened


It will only happen when it's scripted and in the time alloted by the PC (Program Controller)

You and everyone will do as scripted.

I just want to return to the cave and not see what I see but I can't go back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


I guess it's in the script then isn't it?
What the believer believes the prover proves. Robert Anton Wilson

Nothing is plainer than that the sympathy with war is a juvenile and temporary status. Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Maya, the Magus, the Joker, and you.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Hilarious you should say that. I have been given rather obscenely obvious messages about the magus, to make me THINK I might be such, when actually, other messages tell me I am the Joker. In other words, I am nothing.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


Societal level? Individual? Atomic? What does it mean for free will to exist on a small scale but not larger?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791



FREE WILL is a delusion.

I knew 911 would happen in 1999 and that's why I bought put options on the stock exchange. I knew a big event was gonna crash the markets. I told everyone to buy put options with expiration of October 2001.

I don't have predicting abilities.

I COULD SEE INTO THE PROGRAM. IT'S ALL SCRIPTED SHIT

The question is who is "pooping out the scenes"

Are we all controlled by microchips?

Are we all controlled by evil aliens?

Or is it our higher self is a robotic entity just "pooping out" scenes for us...kind of mechanically-like
Aleilius

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Maya, the Magus, the Joker, and you.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Hilarious you should say that. I have been given rather obscenely obvious messages about the magus, to make me THINK I might be such, when actually, other messages tell me I am the Joker. In other words, I am nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254


Maya, the Magus, and the Joker are one. They are three in one, and one in three. You are both the product, and the producer.

Again, don't listen to me, or even acknowledge me. I'm the shunned one.

Last Edited by Aleilius on 05/07/2011 04:21 PM
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bumpbump and bump!!!!!
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Thanks!
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
by the script...Lucifer gets thrown in the Lake of Fire!

if it is by script only, why the appeal?
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Maya, the Magus, the Joker, and you.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Hilarious you should say that. I have been given rather obscenely obvious messages about the magus, to make me THINK I might be such, when actually, other messages tell me I am the Joker. In other words, I am nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254


I can't even imagine all these assholes that fall for the messages sent to them, like e.g. I am a killer soldier, I am the antichrist, etc.
Aleilius

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the messages sent to them
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That's a stretch to say that the "messages were sent to them."
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the messages sent to them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

That's a stretch to say that the "messages were sent to them."
 Quoting: Aleilius


"Messages we're meant to be received by them"
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


That wasn't my question.

Do the tornadoes in my dreams appear real? Yep

Do my dreams seem as real as "waking life". Yep

Sure seemed real that King Kong was chasing me as a child in my dreams.

You have your answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209



So how come you call one dreams and one waking life? Seems like you got it worked out to me - where is the illusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


I call one dreams and one waking life because that helps my discussion along....
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Yea, right, cute. Everyone here is an Anonymous Coward. You put up yourself and I'll think about joining in.
 Quoting: soulsurvivor


Sorry about the overlooking Awakened. Ok, I'll think about it.
 Quoting: soulsurvivor


lol
Aleilius

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the messages sent to them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

That's a stretch to say that the "messages were sent to them."
 Quoting: Aleilius


"Messages we're meant to be received by them"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


Who says the messages have been received via external means? Who says there's a receiver, and a transmitter?
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


I can objectively state that FREE WILL is the biggest delusion we've got going.

In fact maybe your choice to put on socks with your shoes today was a scripted thought and action.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


Quite the claim. If you're into "realism" what about the non-deterministic nature of modern particle theory?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


Since this is illusion that means the science is illusion. Meaning it's just a story. Meaning the instruments used to measure are illusionary. Meaning what is measured is illusionary.
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kinda reminds me of a movie I saw quite a few years ago...


Will you die for him....smack with a ring in the face....
again....Will you die for him!!!
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
OP,

What is it that you think is illusory?

Is your hand real? Does your heart beat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


Societal level? Individual? Atomic? What does it mean for free will to exist on a small scale but not larger?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791



FREE WILL is a delusion.

I knew 911 would happen in 1999 and that's why I bought put options on the stock exchange. I knew a big event was gonna crash the markets. I told everyone to buy put options with expiration of October 2001.

I don't have predicting abilities.

I COULD SEE INTO THE PROGRAM. IT'S ALL SCRIPTED SHIT

The question is who is "pooping out the scenes"

Are we all controlled by microchips?

Are we all controlled by evil aliens?

Or is it our higher self is a robotic entity just "pooping out" scenes for us...kind of mechanically-like
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


What's your point with the 9/11 stuff? It's not like there was an absence of signs of impending trouble outside of the 9/11 conspiracy. Fiat monetary system, asset bubbles, bail outs, ruckus in Congress, stolen elections. Are you surprised that you have intuition or reasoning abilities? Maybe you are just feeling a little cognitive dissonance with the world because you spend more time analyzing and anticipating.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Here it is illustrated in exquisite detail

[link to www.iww.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1368064


The system doesn't matter. It's just a storyline.

Whether communist, capitalist or socialist...doesn't matter.

All scripted b.s.

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