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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
Aleilius

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There's a schism that exists in this thread. A number of posters are taking the pure materialistic route, and others are taking the philosophical route.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Papa Smurf.
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Do you believe in Papa Smurf as your lord and saviour? lol
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
the messages sent to them
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That's a stretch to say that the "messages were sent to them."
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"Messages we're meant to be received by them"
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LOL...do you receive "email?" Why can't you entertain the possibility of a race millions of years ahead of "humans" sending you personal, spiritual "emails" to control the entire process?
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the messages sent to them
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That's a stretch to say that the "messages were sent to them."
 Quoting: Aleilius


"Messages we're meant to be received by them"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


LOL...do you receive "email?" Why can't you entertain the possibility of a race millions of years ahead of "humans" sending you personal, spiritual "emails" to control the entire process?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

Time is an illusion. This is the pure materialistic route that some are taking.
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OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


I can objectively state that FREE WILL is the biggest delusion we've got going.

In fact maybe your choice to put on socks with your shoes today was a scripted thought and action.
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Quite the claim. If you're into "realism" what about the non-deterministic nature of modern particle theory?
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Since this is illusion that means the science is illusion. Meaning it's just a story. Meaning the instruments used to measure are illusionary. Meaning what is measured is illusionary.
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What in the world makes you think your experience is illusory though? That you have dreams?
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Not weird, real good observation actually, this is how the game is played.
BRAVO!
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you know...I have always asked...but never have I said May I. I'm going to try this in a new perspective.hf
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No point asking when it's scripted! "May I" doesn't change the script!
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if it does not, then neither does thinking the impossible, or unimaginable etc....anything is possible or impossible;-)
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Yeah but what if this PC (Program Controller) has given you the appearance you can do magic? What if the PC gives you that ability? Like say I told you I was thinking of a computer and it appeared in a room in my house.

And then let's say the PC turned off that ability and you were left hanging and you know the story is scripted predictable shit and you aren't able to control where your story goes. Your PC showed you the computer appear out of nowhere and you know it's possible but yet you are in the "driver's seat" and are subject to storyline constraints.

It's tedious.
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That's a stretch to say that the "messages were sent to them."
 Quoting: Aleilius


"Messages we're meant to be received by them"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


LOL...do you receive "email?" Why can't you entertain the possibility of a race millions of years ahead of "humans" sending you personal, spiritual "emails" to control the entire process?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

Time is an illusion. This is the pure materialistic route that some are taking.
 Quoting: Aleilius


What makes you think time is an illusion?
Aleilius

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"Messages we're meant to be received by them"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


LOL...do you receive "email?" Why can't you entertain the possibility of a race millions of years ahead of "humans" sending you personal, spiritual "emails" to control the entire process?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

Time is an illusion. This is the pure materialistic route that some are taking.
 Quoting: Aleilius


What makes you think time is an illusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


What makes you think it is "real?"
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Yeah I said fuck it, I'm not messing around anymore, I'm ready to give my life. I will no longer contribute to the evil system. I no longer pay or file income taxes or contribute in any way that I can avoid. The time has come to crash the system and if it won't crash then I'm ready to die. It's time to stop being fearful slaves and time to become gods.
 Quoting: Awakened


It will only happen when it's scripted and in the time alloted by the PC (Program Controller)

You and everyone will do as scripted.

I just want to return to the cave and not see what I see but I can't go back.
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I guess it's in the script then isn't it?
 Quoting: Awakened


I believe everything I think, feel , believe and do is scripted...

At this moment in time I just watch the predictable storyline and the characters around me reacting in confusion because I'm not buying into the program anymore.
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Here it is illustrated in exquisite detail

[link to www.iww.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1368064


The system doesn't matter. It's just a storyline.

Whether communist, capitalist or socialist...doesn't matter.

All scripted b.s.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


Thes are just different "experiments." "They" want to see how each "experiment" ends, after a given amount of time.
Not that complicated, actually. Just impose different variables....e.g. racial characteristics, governmental rules and demands, stress factors, food supply, environmental interaction, etc.
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
Maya, the Magus, the Joker, and you.
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Hilarious you should say that. I have been given rather obscenely obvious messages about the magus, to make me THINK I might be such, when actually, other messages tell me I am the Joker. In other words, I am nothing.
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We are all NO-THINGS
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LOL...do you receive "email?" Why can't you entertain the possibility of a race millions of years ahead of "humans" sending you personal, spiritual "emails" to control the entire process?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

Time is an illusion. This is the pure materialistic route that some are taking.
 Quoting: Aleilius


What makes you think time is an illusion?
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What makes you think it is "real?"
 Quoting: Aleilius


You made the claim. What is time?
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Time is an illusion. This is the pure materialistic route that some are taking.
 Quoting: Aleilius


What makes you think time is an illusion?
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What makes you think it is "real?"
 Quoting: Aleilius


You made the claim. What is time?
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I can make any claim I so desire. You're the one asking the question, and thus you should be the one to answer the question. My answer does not matter. Your answer is the only thing that matters. Correct?

damned

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Maya, the Magus, the Joker, and you.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Hilarious you should say that. I have been given rather obscenely obvious messages about the magus, to make me THINK I might be such, when actually, other messages tell me I am the Joker. In other words, I am nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254


Maya, the Magus, and the Joker are one. They are three in one, and one in three. You are both the product, and the producer.

Again, don't listen to me, or even acknowledge me. I'm the shunned one.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Yeah I get it.

I'm the movie director watching myself on screen.

That's a nice way of looking at it. A theory and a possibility.

But maybe it's not the way that it is.

Maybe some sick fuck entity is giving us this nauseating existence.

Maybe we're a ONE MIND or consciousness that is robotically "pooping out" scenes and we're the ONE playing all roles
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Maya, the Magus, the Joker, and you.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Hilarious you should say that. I have been given rather obscenely obvious messages about the magus, to make me THINK I might be such, when actually, other messages tell me I am the Joker. In other words, I am nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254


Maya, the Magus, and the Joker are one. They are three in one, and one in three. You are both the product, and the producer.

Again, don't listen to me, or even acknowledge me. I'm the shunned one.
 Quoting: Aleilius


Yeah I get it.

I'm the movie director watching myself on screen.

That's a nice way of looking at it. A theory and a possibility.

But maybe it's not the way that it is.

Maybe some sick fuck entity is giving us this nauseating existence.

Maybe we're a ONE MIND or consciousness that is robotically "pooping out" scenes and we're the ONE playing all roles
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


Maybe, and maybe you are the sick entity?
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you know...I have always asked...but never have I said May I. I'm going to try this in a new perspective.hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


No point asking when it's scripted! "May I" doesn't change the script!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


if it does not, then neither does thinking the impossible, or unimaginable etc....anything is possible or impossible;-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


Yeah but what if this PC (Program Controller) has given you the appearance you can do magic? What if the PC gives you that ability? Like say I told you I was thinking of a computer and it appeared in a room in my house.

And then let's say the PC turned off that ability and you were left hanging and you know the story is scripted predictable shit and you aren't able to control where your story goes. Your PC showed you the computer appear out of nowhere and you know it's possible but yet you are in the "driver's seat" and are subject to storyline constraints.

It's tedious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


well, I guess it's what you believe....and how you ask;-)
and to have a Faith in what you believe.....you know the old saying, be careful what you ask for....dreams are made to come true!
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kinda reminds me of a movie I saw quite a few years ago...


Will you die for him....smack with a ring in the face....
again....Will you die for him!!!
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Papa Smurf? lol
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Yeah I said fuck it, I'm not messing around anymore, I'm ready to give my life. I will no longer contribute to the evil system. I no longer pay or file income taxes or contribute in any way that I can avoid. The time has come to crash the system and if it won't crash then I'm ready to die. It's time to stop being fearful slaves and time to become gods.
 Quoting: Awakened


It will only happen when it's scripted and in the time alloted by the PC (Program Controller)

You and everyone will do as scripted.

I just want to return to the cave and not see what I see but I can't go back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


I guess it's in the script then isn't it?
 Quoting: Awakened


I believe everything I think, feel , believe and do is scripted...

At this moment in time I just watch the predictable storyline and the characters around me reacting in confusion because I'm not buying into the program anymore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209



OP earlier you cited anticipating market crash in '99 as evidence of a script. Seems like you are going along the same lines again, and I asked this earlier with no response...

What's your point with the 9/11 stuff? It's not like there was an absence of signs of impending trouble outside of the 9/11 conspiracy. Fiat monetary system, asset bubbles, bail outs, ruckus in Congress, stolen elections. Are you surprised that you have intuition or reasoning abilities? Maybe you are just feeling a little cognitive dissonance with the world because you spend more time analyzing and anticipating.

Also, anyone with a little intellectual heaviness and the vaguest interest in markets knew a crash was on the way in '99. I mean you even had irrational exuberance captain #1 fretting about exuberance. Not sure how old you are, but I was 11 or so in '99 and the shit was plain to see to me.
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OP is saying that free will on a larger scale is an illusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


Societal level? Individual? Atomic? What does it mean for free will to exist on a small scale but not larger?
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FREE WILL is a delusion.

I knew 911 would happen in 1999 and that's why I bought put options on the stock exchange. I knew a big event was gonna crash the markets. I told everyone to buy put options with expiration of October 2001.

I don't have predicting abilities.

I COULD SEE INTO THE PROGRAM. IT'S ALL SCRIPTED SHIT

The question is who is "pooping out the scenes"

Are we all controlled by microchips?

Are we all controlled by evil aliens?

Or is it our higher self is a robotic entity just "pooping out" scenes for us...kind of mechanically-like
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


What's your point with the 9/11 stuff? It's not like there was an absence of signs of impending trouble outside of the 9/11 conspiracy. Fiat monetary system, asset bubbles, bail outs, ruckus in Congress, stolen elections. Are you surprised that you have intuition or reasoning abilities? Maybe you are just feeling a little cognitive dissonance with the world because you spend more time analyzing and anticipating.
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It's irrelevant that I predicted that in 1999

My point was that this illusion has a scripted storyline

That was the point
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by the script...Lucifer gets thrown in the Lake of Fire!

if it is by script only, why the appeal?
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Lucifer or Santa Claus?
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My point was that this illusion has a scripted storyline
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Why would an illusion need a scripted storyline?

lala

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There's a schism that exists in this thread. A number of posters are taking the pure materialistic route, and others are taking the philosophical route.
 Quoting: Aleilius


I noticed that...
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You are driving a car(life), there are many roads to choose from but you can't possibly know if the script contains you changing from one road to another.

You think you can fool the script by making an U-turn, but actually, it is written on the script that you make that turn.

The illusion here is, that you don't have as many choises as you have roads.
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My point was that this illusion has a scripted storyline
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Why would an illusion need a scripted storyline?

lala
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to keep the Illusion alive...
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You are driving a car(life), there are many roads to choose from but you can't possibly know if the script contains you changing from one road to another.

You think you can fool the script by making an U-turn, but actually, it is written on the script that you make that turn.

The illusion here is, that you don't have as many choises as you have roads.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325291


There is no road, and that car isn't.

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I can objectively state that FREE WILL is the biggest delusion we've got going.

In fact maybe your choice to put on socks with your shoes today was a scripted thought and action.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


Quite the claim. If you're into "realism" what about the non-deterministic nature of modern particle theory?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


Since this is illusion that means the science is illusion. Meaning it's just a story. Meaning the instruments used to measure are illusionary. Meaning what is measured is illusionary.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209



What in the world makes you think your experience is illusory though? That you have dreams?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


You'd have to have my experiences and be in my body to know this is illusion. It's definitely illusion.

And the wackiest shit is when I think of a skunk and a skunk appears an hour later. The wackiest shit is thinking about that Compaq Presario which suddenly appeared on a floor in my house. It's surreal because it's not real.
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My point was that this illusion has a scripted storyline
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Why would an illusion need a scripted storyline?

lala
 Quoting: Aleilius


to keep the Illusion alive...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


hf

Does an illusion need life?
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LOL...do you receive "email?" Why can't you entertain the possibility of a race millions of years ahead of "humans" sending you personal, spiritual "emails" to control the entire process?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1374254

Time is an illusion. This is the pure materialistic route that some are taking.
 Quoting: Aleilius


What makes you think time is an illusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373791


What makes you think it is "real?"
 Quoting: Aleilius


Time is definitely an illusion. 10 days now seems like 2days for me. Time is super fast.
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It's irrelevant that I predicted that in 1999

My point was that this illusion has a scripted storyline

That was the point
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Ok, I thought the foresight was evidence or reason why you feel it is scripted. You are not making that connection?
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by the script...Lucifer gets thrown in the Lake of Fire!

if it is by script only, why the appeal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1369837


Lucifer or Santa Claus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


Look, you can call it whatever you like, but I have ALWAYS had the Illusion that things would finally be made right by those very ones who made the wrong.....