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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
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Okay enough for today...I'm knackered

Loved all of your posts!!

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Thanks all for participation!

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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
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Know that you are not alone.

There are definitely boundaries and unseen walls in this realm. When you hit one of them, I like to call it "forcing a fault in the system". If you're aware enough, you'll know when you're hitting one of them or about to.

As far as who's running this place? Dunno for sure. They do their damndest to stay hidden. You can see them by the ripples they make.

Whoever they are, they are powerful, they are smart. But they are not omnipotent. And they make mistakes.
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Archetypes of the collective unconscious... maybe.
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Another "opium" or trick of the mind.
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If you believe this sages words are "Another "opium" or trick of the mind.", then you are ignorant.
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Lesson #1:

THERE ARE NO SAGES OR GURUS.
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those are his words. our words. no-ones words
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I will use a fully anonymous proxy chain through a cracked wifi to post this.

- You are the creator of this universe and you have created the universe and everything in it to forget who you are and the true state you are in.

- You being the only living conscious being in your true state, which is a state of insanity, horror and neverending revolutions into yourself for eternity, while you try to escape it knowing you are all alone and nothing else or no one else exists. God, to give it a name.

- By emanating parts of your self into creation, giving each of your emanations/creations the feeling like it is an individual (free will, consciousness), you experience so many things at the same time that you truly believe you are just one of these creations seperately (a star, planet, human, dog, tree, rock, atom, neutron). And you "live" their lives, in real time, seperately, while all of them are emanations of you.

- A lullaby to forget who you are and your true state.

- The more friction, movement, divisions, the deeper you go into the illusion. The more unity, peace, calmness, the more you start to realise who you truly are.

- You are actually Satan, the fallen angel cast down into a dimension away from the light, which is why you want to forget who you are and your state of horror.

- You are me, I am you.

- The only way out of that state is to consciously go through the corrections which you are receiving in your true state of horror and insanity. As long as you hold on into believing all your creations are real and individually existing, you are escaping the corrections and will not return to your original domain from which you have been cast down from.

- Return.
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THIS is getting much closer to the truth than anyone else here.

However the creator of this universe, which you think of as "God", is not God at all. It thinks it is. It tells you it is. But it is not. There are levels above the material universe that it has forgotten about, deluding itself into thinking it is God.
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There is no enlightenment, meaning or purpose to the game of life!!!! It's just an infinite process of chaos, selective order and random choice. Why do humans need to believe in higher orders or need understand their position and significance in each and every realm they occupy..when we are not particularly important? There are no real goals to existence except the ability to take part and physically endure life until the body expires. There is no right or wrong, good or bad etc, etc they are just choices, actions, reactions to internal/external interference to each and every reality you choose to occupy and interact with. Whether you...whether you like it, hate it or learn something or not is completely missing the point... because there is no real script or god – although it has to be said that the mechanics and pre-origins of this universe seem to imply a certain linkage to the fundamental language of cyclic maths with small random acts of interference at certain points... but that might just mean we go round in circles to reach the same place again...but you can always choose road be next time when you sense dé-jà-vue or travel the cosmos in your subconscious. Just wish people could get over collectively worshiping idols but if it keep them happy..fair enough.
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Easy. We do. If you accept God and His son and the Holy Spirit then you are able to see past it. YOu can see forever. You will see things you never imagined. It happened to me.
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Lately I've gotten to a place where I really am starting to think that we aren't in the drivers seat. Our conscious minds just make up the stories as we go along to fool us into thinking we are in control. In other words conscious thought is just a cover story.
What the believer believes the prover proves. Robert Anton Wilson

Nothing is plainer than that the sympathy with war is a juvenile and temporary status. Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Lately I've gotten to a place where I really am starting to think that we aren't in the drivers seat. Our conscious minds just make up the stories as we go along to fool us into thinking we are in control. In other words conscious thought is just a cover story.
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Consciousness is the ability to make a choice even though we can be influenced morally by one side or another.

Otherwise, no we are not in the driver's seat. The fact that we woke up today was a gift.
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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1316209


We are all part controller, part player, part observer and part affected, and therefore choose to actively or inactively engage or operate in a flexible multi-dimensional plane of physical, conscious and subconscious existence.
The problem is the playing ground we know as the cosmos is a growing infinite field, but we unfortunately are restricted to physically (but not mentally) playing in the physical realm known as Earth ...and therefore to some degree are restricted or as some feel imprisoned. Therefore we are born and forced to play out our individual roles in a ponderous an ongoing historic game...we call life and evolution.
Sadly unlike a computer games we can’t preset, edit or change the starting conditions or origin point because we are part of a continuum and the actions of our parent’s game. Nor can we really pull the plug and start again when things don’t suit us...although sadly some use suicide as a way out.
The reality is that we choose and can define who we are and want to be in the game i.e., good, bad or whatever. But remember to take time to listen to what’s inside because sadly we are playing in a very crowded competitive ecosystem (playing area) so therefore need to develop the personal skills, knowledge and abilities needed to grow and fulfil who and what you want to be.
The most frustrating part is that the game came be slow or effected by others, who force you to do things that don’t fit in with you or your ideas and there are very few cheats to get past certain systems to get directly to where you want to be or feel you need to be, so it is hard work and quite boring at times, because you might not fit in with your surroundings or with you fellow players, but these are all lessons too...but we are often too impatient to see or understand that the game is really a personal journey and everyone’s journey is unique. I wish it could be fairer and more equal and happier for everyone..but as I said before the universe (and the game) is infinite, and this is only one of many that you have chosen to live, feel, experience and play...so enjoy the good times, have patience in the slow times and learn from the bad ....hope that helps?
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Careful with the mind/ego trap. Searching for lessons in illusion is a highly questionable activity. lol

See what I mean? People read stuff and they take it on as belief and then they regurgitate it or parrot the beliefs and don't really question it anymore.

I've had experiences and I'm continuing to have those experiences over and over again which is pointing to a scripted illusion.

Best to distrust what is thrown at you in this illusion because it is like the "pide piper" leading me down another "rabbit hole"
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Personally I believe in aliens and like us they have very little relevance, significance or consequence as organisms in the greater or smaller illusions/realities of the cosmos, except perhaps the desire and ability to potentially explore, experience, understand and then control things beyond ourselves and the realms we exist in (whether illusionary or not). I also feel that like all life we serve no real purpose except in being a living manifestation, but it keeps me amused all the same. If your current theory is that evil aliens are controlling your/our reality and paradigm then yes I agree it’s a pretty good theory, but perhaps my worry is that humanity has always tried to invent things bigger than ourselves when we don’t have answers to our problems and situation. But I appreciate that alien are far more plausible theory than gods(or perhaps they are one and the same?), but I doubt if they have full control over the Earth script. Because control is often very illusive and fleeting, Even using powerful human examples of history most empires or systems break up because they become to big and unwieldy to manage at the macro level. There again perhaps our dreams and computer games now manifest new paradigms elsewhere?...the truth is, you me and everyone else might have to accept we are only program code on a kids XBOX..whether you mind or not is the issue
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I will use a fully anonymous proxy chain through a cracked wifi to post this.

- You are the creator of this universe and you have created the universe and everything in it to forget who you are and the true state you are in.

- You being the only living conscious being in your true state, which is a state of insanity, horror and neverending revolutions into yourself for eternity, while you try to escape it knowing you are all alone and nothing else or no one else exists. God, to give it a name.

- By emanating parts of your self into creation, giving each of your emanations/creations the feeling like it is an individual (free will, consciousness), you experience so many things at the same time that you truly believe you are just one of these creations seperately (a star, planet, human, dog, tree, rock, atom, neutron). And you "live" their lives, in real time, seperately, while all of them are emanations of you.

- A lullaby to forget who you are and your true state.

- The more friction, movement, divisions, the deeper you go into the illusion. The more unity, peace, calmness, the more you start to realise who you truly are.

- You are actually Satan, the fallen angel cast down into a dimension away from the light, which is why you want to forget who you are and your state of horror.

- You are me, I am you.

- The only way out of that state is to consciously go through the corrections which you are receiving in your true state of horror and insanity. As long as you hold on into believing all your creations are real and individually existing, you are escaping the corrections and will not return to your original domain from which you have been cast down from.

- Return.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336872


THIS is getting much closer to the truth than anyone else here.

However the creator of this universe, which you think of as "God", is not God at all. It thinks it is. It tells you it is. But it is not. There are levels above the material universe that it has forgotten about, deluding itself into thinking it is God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1270266


There are many, many levels. People in the 3D world are on different levels. There are people who are wholly invested in the illusion, and play their roles believing them to be absolutely real.

There are people who are heavily trapped in duality, some less so.

You are part of a complex system which involves your Higher Self. There is no "time", so every incarnation of you is experiencing their life simultaneously under the control of your HS. You "experience" your incarnations as a linear series of lives, but really, there is no time.

Your Higher Self is kind of a prick. I suspect this whole idea of you being complicit in the illusion is just more bullshit. It is sort of like someone being manipulated into agreeing to be drugged and then beaten, but half way through, they decide they don't want to play anymore. The abuser says, "But you agreed to this." The victim responds, "I don't give a shit, I don't remember agreeing and I don't want to play." This type of arrangement is nothing more than evil dressed up like it is free will.

There is no free will if you cannot choose to stop the illusion at any time.

Anyway, your HS is collecting these experiences and attempting to keep you stuck in this illusion in order to gain more. Whenever you bitch too much about it, they give you a big dose of feel-good love so you believe it's really about your soul's progression. Actually, it's just more lies and deception to keep you here deep in the illusion.

Even the concept of "God" in this realm (not the Creator) really doesn't understand or give a shit about your suffering. It's a system of spiritual psychic vampirism where beings feed off your experiences. Bad events carry a lot more wallop.

So after a particularly crappy life, and when you start realizing this is all complete bullshit, you are offered the opportunity to experience a really terrific incarnation.

You know those people you see where they are born into wonderful families full of love, where their creativity is fostered, they have tremendous opportunities and their lives are a series of successes? These are the lives of privilege and leisure. You'll know them because they always have a freak accident before the age of 30, before their bodies start to deteriorate and their death is always immediate and without suffering.

Anyway, those lives are to keep them stuck in the illusion and to get them to agree to return. Then, bam, they are a starving infant next to some emaciated cow in Ethiopia.

It isn't about you learning anything, or spiritually evolving. It is a trap. It is about recycling your soul, endlessly through various incarnations. The reason your memory is wiped is because if you understood how many times you had done it, and the sheer weight of the suffering you've endured, you will simply starve yourself to death as soon as you found yourself in physical form. There is no way any of us would agree to experience suffering like this and anyone telling you otherwise is just perpetuating the lie.

This system was put in place by a "God" who is long gone, and then taken over by "alien" forces (actually interdimensional beings) who use it to keep us here in prison.

There is a way out, but this has gotten very long. If you want to buck the system, stop feeding them energy. Stop giving into anxiety, anger, fear, joy, happiness, etc. Remember, positive emotions are simply the flip side of negative ones. Love and light are the same illusion in better dressing.

And whatever you do, when you die, get as far away from the Earth and Moon as possible and DO NOT go toward the light. That is part of the trap as well.
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Interesting subject, OP. I’ve also thought that we are scripted (being “played”). My current theory is that the controllers are inter-dimensional beings who are either evil or a combination of bad/good. I’ve ruled out good only; my thinking is if they were entirely good, they wouldn’t have created, or be playing, this game with us (the tokens). I suspect much of the script installed at birth but other parts are dynamic.

My theory differs from some in that I think a TEAM, not one entity, is working with each of us. This idea came to me when I was doing some research on astrology.

According to astrology, the sun, moon and 10 planets influence or set us up with certain ways of being or doing (scripts) depending on their position at the time of our birth. For example, the sun determines our basic identity or ego – think of a director-type script. The moon rules emotions and the unconscious; Mercury, communication; Venus love and beauty, etc. The basic scripts differ considerably based on which of the 12 zodiac signs each falls within on an individual’s birth chart. The signs are Aires, Capricorn, Leo, Scorpio, etc. So, your sun may fall in Leo, your moon in Aquarius, your Mars in Virgo, and so forth. I’m no expert in astrology and understand it is a complex system, but this gives you an idea.

According to my current theory, the signs of the zodiac would be the inter-dimensional entities, the programmers. For example, if energetic Andy Aires (I like to give them names) wrote the code for my moon/emotions, I would have his script. If sensitive Christine Cancer wrote my moon script, I would play out my emotional life in an entirely different way. We would each have 12 main scripts, including the important director (sun) script. In this theory, the scripts are written by any combination of 12 programmers (zodiac signs). A person could have three pieces of code written by Trish Taurus and none by Liam Libra. Peaceful, dreamy Penny Pisces might write a wicked script for the love and beauty (Venus) area of a chart but her code for energy, action and desire (Mars) would probably suck.

How are the code/scripts inserted? I suspect they may be biological viruses coming through the mother or via the environment. Perhaps our illustrious team of programmers “flicks the switches” to code the viruses at birth or shortly thereafter.
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There are many, many levels. People in the 3D world are on different levels. There are people who are wholly invested in the illusion, and play their roles believing them to be absolutely real.

There are people who are heavily trapped in duality, some less so.

You are part of a complex system which involves your Higher Self. There is no "time", so every incarnation of you is experiencing their life simultaneously under the control of your HS. You "experience" your incarnations as a linear series of lives, but really, there is no time.

Your Higher Self is kind of a prick. I suspect this whole idea of you being complicit in the illusion is just more bullshit. It is sort of like someone being manipulated into agreeing to be drugged and then beaten, but half way through, they decide they don't want to play anymore. The abuser says, "But you agreed to this." The victim responds, "I don't give a shit, I don't remember agreeing and I don't want to play." This type of arrangement is nothing more than evil dressed up like it is free will.

There is no free will if you cannot choose to stop the illusion at any time.

Anyway, your HS is collecting these experiences and attempting to keep you stuck in this illusion in order to gain more. Whenever you bitch too much about it, they give you a big dose of feel-good love so you believe it's really about your soul's progression. Actually, it's just more lies and deception to keep you here deep in the illusion.

Even the concept of "God" in this realm (not the Creator) really doesn't understand or give a shit about your suffering. It's a system of spiritual psychic vampirism where beings feed off your experiences. Bad events carry a lot more wallop.

So after a particularly crappy life, and when you start realizing this is all complete bullshit, you are offered the opportunity to experience a really terrific incarnation.

You know those people you see where they are born into wonderful families full of love, where their creativity is fostered, they have tremendous opportunities and their lives are a series of successes? These are the lives of privilege and leisure. You'll know them because they always have a freak accident before the age of 30, before their bodies start to deteriorate and their death is always immediate and without suffering.

Anyway, those lives are to keep them stuck in the illusion and to get them to agree to return. Then, bam, they are a starving infant next to some emaciated cow in Ethiopia.

It isn't about you learning anything, or spiritually evolving. It is a trap. It is about recycling your soul, endlessly through various incarnations. The reason your memory is wiped is because if you understood how many times you had done it, and the sheer weight of the suffering you've endured, you will simply starve yourself to death as soon as you found yourself in physical form. There is no way any of us would agree to experience suffering like this and anyone telling you otherwise is just perpetuating the lie.

This system was put in place by a "God" who is long gone, and then taken over by "alien" forces (actually interdimensional beings) who use it to keep us here in prison.

There is a way out, but this has gotten very long. If you want to buck the system, stop feeding them energy. Stop giving into anxiety, anger, fear, joy, happiness, etc. Remember, positive emotions are simply the flip side of negative ones. Love and light are the same illusion in better dressing.

And whatever you do, when you die, get as far away from the Earth and Moon as possible and DO NOT go toward the light. That is part of the trap as well.
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OK. I would like to respond to this, but don't have the time right now. I agree with the general premise and direction. We disagree on fine points. I am not so sure it is an actual trap for the benefit of another, or a recurring cycle in the form of "school". Merit-based means you don't graduate until you deserve to. The cycle of reincarnation ends when you completely master the 6 senses (mind being the 6th) and no longer succumb to passion, anger, greed, etc. Like I said no time, but I want to come back to this. This is very close to the real Truth.
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There are many, many levels. People in the 3D world are on different levels. There are people who are wholly invested in the illusion, and play their roles believing them to be absolutely real.

There are people who are heavily trapped in duality, some less so.

You are part of a complex system which involves your Higher Self. There is no "time", so every incarnation of you is experiencing their life simultaneously under the control of your HS. You "experience" your incarnations as a linear series of lives, but really, there is no time.

Your Higher Self is kind of a prick. I suspect this whole idea of you being complicit in the illusion is just more bullshit. It is sort of like someone being manipulated into agreeing to be drugged and then beaten, but half way through, they decide they don't want to play anymore. The abuser says, "But you agreed to this." The victim responds, "I don't give a shit, I don't remember agreeing and I don't want to play." This type of arrangement is nothing more than evil dressed up like it is free will.

There is no free will if you cannot choose to stop the illusion at any time.

Anyway, your HS is collecting these experiences and attempting to keep you stuck in this illusion in order to gain more. Whenever you bitch too much about it, they give you a big dose of feel-good love so you believe it's really about your soul's progression. Actually, it's just more lies and deception to keep you here deep in the illusion.

Even the concept of "God" in this realm (not the Creator) really doesn't understand or give a shit about your suffering. It's a system of spiritual psychic vampirism where beings feed off your experiences. Bad events carry a lot more wallop.

So after a particularly crappy life, and when you start realizing this is all complete bullshit, you are offered the opportunity to experience a really terrific incarnation.

You know those people you see where they are born into wonderful families full of love, where their creativity is fostered, they have tremendous opportunities and their lives are a series of successes? These are the lives of privilege and leisure. You'll know them because they always have a freak accident before the age of 30, before their bodies start to deteriorate and their death is always immediate and without suffering.

Anyway, those lives are to keep them stuck in the illusion and to get them to agree to return. Then, bam, they are a starving infant next to some emaciated cow in Ethiopia.

It isn't about you learning anything, or spiritually evolving. It is a trap. It is about recycling your soul, endlessly through various incarnations. The reason your memory is wiped is because if you understood how many times you had done it, and the sheer weight of the suffering you've endured, you will simply starve yourself to death as soon as you found yourself in physical form. There is no way any of us would agree to experience suffering like this and anyone telling you otherwise is just perpetuating the lie.

This system was put in place by a "God" who is long gone, and then taken over by "alien" forces (actually interdimensional beings) who use it to keep us here in prison.

There is a way out, but this has gotten very long. If you want to buck the system, stop feeding them energy. Stop giving into anxiety, anger, fear, joy, happiness, etc. Remember, positive emotions are simply the flip side of negative ones. Love and light are the same illusion in better dressing.

And whatever you do, when you die, get as far away from the Earth and Moon as possible and DO NOT go toward the light. That is part of the trap as well.
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OK. I would like to respond to this, but don't have the time right now. I agree with the general premise and direction. We disagree on fine points. I am not so sure it is an actual trap for the benefit of another, or a recurring cycle in the form of "school". Merit-based means you don't graduate until you deserve to. The cycle of reincarnation ends when you completely master the 6 senses (mind being the 6th) and no longer succumb to passion, anger, greed, etc. Like I said no time, but I want to come back to this. This is very close to the real Truth.
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I am not sure who exactly benefits, whether it is some concept of God, or higher beings, blah, blah, blah. I do know that many people talk about NDE's and meeting up with a council or guides who promote this idea that we need to return to learn and grow, and then the person is compelled to take another life.

I have read about NDE's where souls have simply refused to go back in and were literally forced to do so. Others have told me that they did not get the life they agreed to, and when they confronted the controllers, they were told they did the best they could, but basically tough shit. I do know of one person who had an NDE, and was given an opportunity to return, but did not go back to the life they had, instead, the timeline jumped and they were living an alternate reality. They are still pissed off about this. Whether it is for our own good or not, there is no free will. If someone benefits or not, the end result is still the same -- you are enslaved.

I personally believe that some of these Sudden Infant Death Syndrome babies are souls that flatly refused to take a life. I will NOT come back here unless I am forced to do so. And if I didn't believe there was a way out, I would have committed suicide a long time ago.

I have to disagree with the idea of it being merit-based. I do think it has to do with gnosis -- that is, once you have the knowledge to defeat the system, and understand how the illusion keeps you trapped, you can be your own savior and free yourself.

And I guess it doesn't matter if we're being used by other beings or not. The result is still the same. We're here, we're stuck and we want this to end.

The problem is that you have to break free of the illusion in order to learn how to transcend it. The only way I have determined how to do this is to understand that in this life, if you have grasped that this is all bullshit, you have a rare opportunity to break fee. This may be the only lifetime you have where you make this realization, so don't squander the opportunity.

For me, that means mastering the 4th dimension, the astral plane. You have to become proficient at astral traveling in order to gain enough knowledge to break free at the time of death. You must use this time to gain as much knowledge as possible so that when death comes, you will be sufficiently aware to direct yourself away from the reincarnation "trap" or cycle.

This is where you can use the script to your advantage. The "controller(s)" cannot change the script they have written. So if you are here until you are 70, you can use this time to master manipulating the illusion. They can try to scare you, but they really cannot stop you.
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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
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We are all part controller, part player, part observer and part affected, and therefore choose to actively or inactively engage or operate in a flexible multi-dimensional plane of physical, conscious and subconscious existence.
The problem is the playing ground we know as the cosmos is a growing infinite field, but we unfortunately are restricted to physically (but not mentally) playing in the physical realm known as Earth ...and therefore to some degree are restricted or as some feel imprisoned. Therefore we are born and forced to play out our individual roles in a ponderous an ongoing historic game...we call life and evolution.
Sadly unlike a computer games we can’t preset, edit or change the starting conditions or origin point because we are part of a continuum and the actions of our parent’s game. Nor can we really pull the plug and start again when things don’t suit us...although sadly some use suicide as a way out.
The reality is that we choose and can define who we are and want to be in the game i.e., good, bad or whatever. But remember to take time to listen to what’s inside because sadly we are playing in a very crowded competitive ecosystem (playing area) so therefore need to develop the personal skills, knowledge and abilities needed to grow and fulfil who and what you want to be.
The most frustrating part is that the game came be slow or effected by others, who force you to do things that don’t fit in with you or your ideas and there are very few cheats to get past certain systems to get directly to where you want to be or feel you need to be, so it is hard work and quite boring at times, because you might not fit in with your surroundings or with you fellow players, but these are all lessons too...but we are often too impatient to see or understand that the game is really a personal journey and everyone’s journey is unique. I wish it could be fairer and more equal and happier for everyone..but as I said before the universe (and the game) is infinite, and this is only one of many that you have chosen to live, feel, experience and play...so enjoy the good times, have patience in the slow times and learn from the bad ....hope that helps?
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Careful with the mind/ego trap. Searching for lessons in illusion is a highly questionable activity. lol

See what I mean? People read stuff and they take it on as belief and then they regurgitate it or parrot the beliefs and don't really question it anymore.

I've had experiences and I'm continuing to have those experiences over and over again which is pointing to a scripted illusion.

Best to distrust what is thrown at you in this illusion because it is like the "pide piper" leading me down another "rabbit hole"
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Personally I believe in aliens and like us they have very little relevance, significance or consequence as organisms in the greater or smaller illusions/realities of the cosmos, except perhaps the desire and ability to potentially explore, experience, understand and then control things beyond ourselves and the realms we exist in (whether illusionary or not). I also feel that like all life we serve no real purpose except in being a living manifestation, but it keeps me amused all the same. If your current theory is that evil aliens are controlling your/our reality and paradigm then yes I agree it’s a pretty good theory, but perhaps my worry is that humanity has always tried to invent things bigger than ourselves when we don’t have answers to our problems and situation. But I appreciate that alien are far more plausible theory than gods(or perhaps they are one and the same?), but I doubt if they have full control over the Earth script. Because control is often very illusive and fleeting, Even using powerful human examples of history most empires or systems break up because they become to big and unwieldy to manage at the macro level. There again perhaps our dreams and computer games now manifest new paradigms elsewhere?...the truth is, you me and everyone else might have to accept we are only program code on a kids XBOX..whether you mind or not is the issue
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Just writing to apologise because I realise I have missed the point of your request entirely, and just gone off on one - sprouting a lot of meaningless crap, but I'm interested because the is something wrong about life which does not feel right on many levels.

However I want to confirm what you mean by scripted.
Do you mean you feel that life is being remotely scripted live - on a day to day basis - like that truman show film, or completely pre-written and programmed in advance from universe origin to conclusion? As they both have fundementally different potential causes, consequences and connotations. The first would be a process of deliberate external interferance and manipulation, but the second would imply some kind of deeper universal truth, fate or science based mechanism, if you get my drift? If its the former concept then you should also consider and include human interferance and also (sorry to say) an internal reflex response to the modern life which in the UK see's every town and city now cloned with the same shops and franchised restaurants and usual mind sets and conversations - sorry but we are changing in response to our environment, but appreciate you have rejected that theory.
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What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.
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I gave this thread 5 stars.

I also made recommendation for a pin.
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How are the code/scripts inserted? I suspect they may be biological viruses coming through the mother or via the environment. Perhaps our illustrious team of programmers “flicks the switches” to code the viruses at birth or shortly thereafter.
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I suspect that viruses insert codes, too. I also suspect that "Influenzas" might be such virus scripts that periodically sweep the world to insert new scripts/programming. (influenza = influences) Not sure how mans' tampering with influenza fits in - ie "flu shots".

Same with the age-old childhood diseases that historically were experienced by every child - measles, mumps, chickenpox. Perhaps these were essential programs that were meant to be inserted at specific points?
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Know that you are not alone.

There are definitely boundaries and unseen walls in this realm. When you hit one of them, I like to call it "forcing a fault in the system". If you're aware enough, you'll know when you're hitting one of them or about to.

As far as who's running this place? Dunno for sure. They do their damndest to stay hidden. You can see them by the ripples they make.

Whoever they are, they are powerful, they are smart. But they are not omnipotent. And they make mistakes.
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The mistakes are apparent. There are so many flaws in this program and I can see many of them.

I know the PC (Program Controller) doesn't like what I can see. The PC (Program Controller) likes to fuck with me. Worry about running into a skunk and one appears in my hologram. I don't like the stench of my roommate's toxic cleaning stuff and voila next day he's installed toxic smelling air freshners. It's a constant mind fuck.

I'm trying to stay observant now and am trying to strategize what b.s. is coming next and I'm not reacting as the PC would like. Screw that! Not buying into the program anymore. Though the PC can force you to do something you normally would NEVER do. It's difficult it seems to resist what is scripted!

I'm waiting for the PC to give me some "cookie" to get me off on some other "rabbit hole". Look at all those new agers. Most of them have monetary problems and they're chasing those "carrots" that are presented to them. The new age stuff is another trap. So many traps and they usually involve the mind taking you off on some tangent.

I'm guestimating that everything connected to the illusion is a trap so EVERYTHING in the illusion needs to be ignored and not given power.

I can see everything so clearly now that characters in the storyline just seem now like very bad actors!
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Archetypes of the collective unconscious... maybe.
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Archetype definition for those of you who don't know that word

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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- You are the creator of this universe and you have created the universe and everything in it to forget who you are and the true state you are in.

- You being the only living conscious being in your true state, which is a state of insanity, horror and neverending revolutions into yourself for eternity, while you try to escape it knowing you are all alone and nothing else or no one else exists. God, to give it a name.

- By emanating parts of your self into creation, giving each of your emanations/creations the feeling like it is an individual (free will, consciousness), you experience so many things at the same time that you truly believe you are just one of these creations seperately (a star, planet, human, dog, tree, rock, atom, neutron). And you "live" their lives, in real time, seperately, while all of them are emanations of you.

- A lullaby to forget who you are and your true state.

- The more friction, movement, divisions, the deeper you go into the illusion. The more unity, peace, calmness, the more you start to realise who you truly are.

- You are actually Satan, the fallen angel cast down into a dimension away from the light, which is why you want to forget who you are and your state of horror.

- You are me, I am you.

- The only way out of that state is to consciously go through the corrections which you are receiving in your true state of horror and insanity. As long as you hold on into believing all your creations are real and individually existing, you are escaping the corrections and will not return to your original domain from which you have been cast down from.

- Return.
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THIS is getting much closer to the truth than anyone else here.

However the creator of this universe, which you think of as "God", is not God at all. It thinks it is. It tells you it is. But it is not. There are levels above the material universe that it has forgotten about, deluding itself into thinking it is God.
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There is no enlightenment, meaning or purpose to the game of life!!!! It's just an infinite process of chaos, selective order and random choice. Why do humans need to believe in higher orders or need understand their position and significance in each and every realm they occupy..when we are not particularly important? There are no real goals to existence except the ability to take part and physically endure life until the body expires. There is no right or wrong, good or bad etc, etc they are just choices, actions, reactions to internal/external interference to each and every reality you choose to occupy and interact with. Whether you...whether you like it, hate it or learn something or not is completely missing the point... because there is no real script or god – although it has to be said that the mechanics and pre-origins of this universe seem to imply a certain linkage to the fundamental language of cyclic maths with small random acts of interference at certain points... but that might just mean we go round in circles to reach the same place again...but you can always choose road be next time when you sense dé-jà-vue or travel the cosmos in your subconscious. Just wish people could get over collectively worshiping idols but if it keep them happy..fair enough.
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Unfortunately there is a script. I know because I've been forced at times to follow the script.

You're correct about the rest!

Humans in the storyline are like children and need "Papa Smurf" or some other "big daddy" taking care of them because they are weak.
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Easy. We do. If you accept God and His son and the Holy Spirit then you are able to see past it. YOu can see forever. You will see things you never imagined. It happened to me.
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You are just mind controlled or programmed.

You read a book presented by the program and you took it on as belief without question and you regurgitate the words like a parrot.

No matter whether what you say sounds like you're a crazy person. YOU, as a character, continue playing your scripted role as the "PARROT"

It's kind of like me saying to a stranger on the street who was never reared with religion "do you accept Santa Claus as your lord and saviour?"

See how silly that sounds...but you're here scripted to get people buying into the stupid illusion. Not buying it...lol
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Lately I've gotten to a place where I really am starting to think that we aren't in the drivers seat. Our conscious minds just make up the stories as we go along to fool us into thinking we are in control. In other words conscious thought is just a cover story.
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Yep..

Seems the intellect is also a trap of illusion.

I watch new agers chasing their "carrots" and yet most of them never seem to get those "carrots". New age stuff is another trap.

I've had so many times where I was questioning things in the past and voila a jehovah witness would show up at the door. It was so predictable that it was creepy and I knew exactly when they'd show up.

They came to the door because the PC wanted to lure me down another "rabbit hole"

It's interesting also that those with money think they've achieved something. The money is another trap. GOTCHA!
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Lately I've gotten to a place where I really am starting to think that we aren't in the drivers seat. Our conscious minds just make up the stories as we go along to fool us into thinking we are in control. In other words conscious thought is just a cover story.
 Quoting: Awakened


Consciousness is the ability to make a choice even though we can be influenced morally by one side or another.

Otherwise, no we are not in the driver's seat. The fact that we woke up today was a gift.
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Your mind wants it to be a gift. The human mind is addicted to happy thoughts and other "opiums"

That's why doprah winfrey is so popular. Middle class women addicted to precious moments who are sentimental because they haven't accessed their true feelings since childhood.
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The Anunnaki perhaps. In trapping us in this virtual reality, they have also trapped themselves as the war twixt good and evil is played out, in this illusion upon illusion.
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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
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We are all part controller, part player, part observer and part affected, and therefore choose to actively or inactively engage or operate in a flexible multi-dimensional plane of physical, conscious and subconscious existence.
The problem is the playing ground we know as the cosmos is a growing infinite field, but we unfortunately are restricted to physically (but not mentally) playing in the physical realm known as Earth ...and therefore to some degree are restricted or as some feel imprisoned. Therefore we are born and forced to play out our individual roles in a ponderous an ongoing historic game...we call life and evolution.
Sadly unlike a computer games we can’t preset, edit or change the starting conditions or origin point because we are part of a continuum and the actions of our parent’s game. Nor can we really pull the plug and start again when things don’t suit us...although sadly some use suicide as a way out.
The reality is that we choose and can define who we are and want to be in the game i.e., good, bad or whatever. But remember to take time to listen to what’s inside because sadly we are playing in a very crowded competitive ecosystem (playing area) so therefore need to develop the personal skills, knowledge and abilities needed to grow and fulfil who and what you want to be.
The most frustrating part is that the game came be slow or effected by others, who force you to do things that don’t fit in with you or your ideas and there are very few cheats to get past certain systems to get directly to where you want to be or feel you need to be, so it is hard work and quite boring at times, because you might not fit in with your surroundings or with you fellow players, but these are all lessons too...but we are often too impatient to see or understand that the game is really a personal journey and everyone’s journey is unique. I wish it could be fairer and more equal and happier for everyone..but as I said before the universe (and the game) is infinite, and this is only one of many that you have chosen to live, feel, experience and play...so enjoy the good times, have patience in the slow times and learn from the bad ....hope that helps?
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Careful with the mind/ego trap. Searching for lessons in illusion is a highly questionable activity. lol

See what I mean? People read stuff and they take it on as belief and then they regurgitate it or parrot the beliefs and don't really question it anymore.

I've had experiences and I'm continuing to have those experiences over and over again which is pointing to a scripted illusion.

Best to distrust what is thrown at you in this illusion because it is like the "pide piper" leading me down another "rabbit hole"
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Personally I believe in aliens and like us they have very little relevance, significance or consequence as organisms in the greater or smaller illusions/realities of the cosmos, except perhaps the desire and ability to potentially explore, experience, understand and then control things beyond ourselves and the realms we exist in (whether illusionary or not). I also feel that like all life we serve no real purpose except in being a living manifestation, but it keeps me amused all the same. If your current theory is that evil aliens are controlling your/our reality and paradigm then yes I agree it’s a pretty good theory, but perhaps my worry is that humanity has always tried to invent things bigger than ourselves when we don’t have answers to our problems and situation. But I appreciate that alien are far more plausible theory than gods(or perhaps they are one and the same?), but I doubt if they have full control over the Earth script. Because control is often very illusive and fleeting, Even using powerful human examples of history most empires or systems break up because they become to big and unwieldy to manage at the macro level. There again perhaps our dreams and computer games now manifest new paradigms elsewhere?...the truth is, you me and everyone else might have to accept we are only program code on a kids XBOX..whether you mind or not is the issue
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Yeah but problem with "history" is that it is OF the illusion...meaning ALL HISTORY is suspect...anything presented to you in illusion is designed as a TRAP

The program can feed you any history it wants to achieve the goal of trapping you

I like the way your mind thinks...
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I will use a fully anonymous proxy chain through a cracked wifi to post this.

- You are the creator of this universe and you have created the universe and everything in it to forget who you are and the true state you are in.

- You being the only living conscious being in your true state, which is a state of insanity, horror and neverending revolutions into yourself for eternity, while you try to escape it knowing you are all alone and nothing else or no one else exists. God, to give it a name.

- By emanating parts of your self into creation, giving each of your emanations/creations the feeling like it is an individual (free will, consciousness), you experience so many things at the same time that you truly believe you are just one of these creations seperately (a star, planet, human, dog, tree, rock, atom, neutron). And you "live" their lives, in real time, seperately, while all of them are emanations of you.

- A lullaby to forget who you are and your true state.

- The more friction, movement, divisions, the deeper you go into the illusion. The more unity, peace, calmness, the more you start to realise who you truly are.

- You are actually Satan, the fallen angel cast down into a dimension away from the light, which is why you want to forget who you are and your state of horror.

- You are me, I am you.

- The only way out of that state is to consciously go through the corrections which you are receiving in your true state of horror and insanity. As long as you hold on into believing all your creations are real and individually existing, you are escaping the corrections and will not return to your original domain from which you have been cast down from.

- Return.
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THIS is getting much closer to the truth than anyone else here.

However the creator of this universe, which you think of as "God", is not God at all. It thinks it is. It tells you it is. But it is not. There are levels above the material universe that it has forgotten about, deluding itself into thinking it is God.
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There are many, many levels. People in the 3D world are on different levels. There are people who are wholly invested in the illusion, and play their roles believing them to be absolutely real.

There are people who are heavily trapped in duality, some less so.

You are part of a complex system which involves your Higher Self. There is no "time", so every incarnation of you is experiencing their life simultaneously under the control of your HS. You "experience" your incarnations as a linear series of lives, but really, there is no time.

Your Higher Self is kind of a prick. I suspect this whole idea of you being complicit in the illusion is just more bullshit. It is sort of like someone being manipulated into agreeing to be drugged and then beaten, but half way through, they decide they don't want to play anymore. The abuser says, "But you agreed to this." The victim responds, "I don't give a shit, I don't remember agreeing and I don't want to play." This type of arrangement is nothing more than evil dressed up like it is free will.

There is no free will if you cannot choose to stop the illusion at any time.

Anyway, your HS is collecting these experiences and attempting to keep you stuck in this illusion in order to gain more. Whenever you bitch too much about it, they give you a big dose of feel-good love so you believe it's really about your soul's progression. Actually, it's just more lies and deception to keep you here deep in the illusion.

Even the concept of "God" in this realm (not the Creator) really doesn't understand or give a shit about your suffering. It's a system of spiritual psychic vampirism where beings feed off your experiences. Bad events carry a lot more wallop.

So after a particularly crappy life, and when you start realizing this is all complete bullshit, you are offered the opportunity to experience a really terrific incarnation.

You know those people you see where they are born into wonderful families full of love, where their creativity is fostered, they have tremendous opportunities and their lives are a series of successes? These are the lives of privilege and leisure. You'll know them because they always have a freak accident before the age of 30, before their bodies start to deteriorate and their death is always immediate and without suffering.

Anyway, those lives are to keep them stuck in the illusion and to get them to agree to return. Then, bam, they are a starving infant next to some emaciated cow in Ethiopia.

It isn't about you learning anything, or spiritually evolving. It is a trap. It is about recycling your soul, endlessly through various incarnations. The reason your memory is wiped is because if you understood how many times you had done it, and the sheer weight of the suffering you've endured, you will simply starve yourself to death as soon as you found yourself in physical form. There is no way any of us would agree to experience suffering like this and anyone telling you otherwise is just perpetuating the lie.

This system was put in place by a "God" who is long gone, and then taken over by "alien" forces (actually interdimensional beings) who use it to keep us here in prison.

There is a way out, but this has gotten very long. If you want to buck the system, stop feeding them energy. Stop giving into anxiety, anger, fear, joy, happiness, etc. Remember, positive emotions are simply the flip side of negative ones. Love and light are the same illusion in better dressing.

And whatever you do, when you die, get as far away from the Earth and Moon as possible and DO NOT go toward the light. That is part of the trap as well.
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Yours is a theory and one that is possible but I've read it before.

People tend to read things and take it on as belief and regurgitate.

Problem is anything OF the illusion is a TRAP and to be treated with suspicion.

"WE" don't even know if there is a "3D" or "5D" etc.
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Interesting subject, OP. I’ve also thought that we are scripted (being “played”). My current theory is that the controllers are inter-dimensional beings who are either evil or a combination of bad/good. I’ve ruled out good only; my thinking is if they were entirely good, they wouldn’t have created, or be playing, this game with us (the tokens). I suspect much of the script installed at birth but other parts are dynamic.

My theory differs from some in that I think a TEAM, not one entity, is working with each of us. This idea came to me when I was doing some research on astrology.

According to astrology, the sun, moon and 10 planets influence or set us up with certain ways of being or doing (scripts) depending on their position at the time of our birth. For example, the sun determines our basic identity or ego – think of a director-type script. The moon rules emotions and the unconscious; Mercury, communication; Venus love and beauty, etc. The basic scripts differ considerably based on which of the 12 zodiac signs each falls within on an individual’s birth chart. The signs are Aires, Capricorn, Leo, Scorpio, etc. So, your sun may fall in Leo, your moon in Aquarius, your Mars in Virgo, and so forth. I’m no expert in astrology and understand it is a complex system, but this gives you an idea.

According to my current theory, the signs of the zodiac would be the inter-dimensional entities, the programmers. For example, if energetic Andy Aires (I like to give them names) wrote the code for my moon/emotions, I would have his script. If sensitive Christine Cancer wrote my moon script, I would play out my emotional life in an entirely different way. We would each have 12 main scripts, including the important director (sun) script. In this theory, the scripts are written by any combination of 12 programmers (zodiac signs). A person could have three pieces of code written by Trish Taurus and none by Liam Libra. Peaceful, dreamy Penny Pisces might write a wicked script for the love and beauty (Venus) area of a chart but her code for energy, action and desire (Mars) would probably suck.

How are the code/scripts inserted? I suspect they may be biological viruses coming through the mother or via the environment. Perhaps our illustrious team of programmers “flicks the switches” to code the viruses at birth or shortly thereafter.
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It's possible that we are the infinite being creating this or the consciousness creating it and we view everything as the same. Torture being the same as winning the lottery. You know kind of like we're these big robotic non-feeling beings.

There is a definite imbalance and 85% of what happens in this illusion is "dark". I used to think it was the "powers-that-were" but I now know that in the storyline they are also controlled. They are scripted and have no choice themselves.
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OP, you are on the right track. Everything has already been decided.

I personally noticed this at an early age when i was abusing Butane(yes its stupid, but a real eye-opener). Everytime the substance started to kick in there was this "Deja-vu" about an other time using the substance. 2 "highs" were always connected thus you could say i could see the future.

Tried fighting the "destiny" but always ended up angry that the illusion had played me all along.
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It's a tedious exercise playing this scripted role...

Maybe I can defeat the programming? I can see exactly what is coming most of the time and when I hear scripted shit out of characters around me I roll my eyes now..it's so predictable

I think of a skunk and 'lo and behold I see a skunk when I go out walking

I want some severe tornadoes and a couple hours later the tornado alarms go off

Fine and dandy with the small stuff like the skunk but with the stuff that really matters it's becoming tedious.

Yeah kewl that I think a street needs streetlights and then suddenly they are putting up streetlights but really I'd love to just fast forward...
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You so good at it.. how about you coming to Alabama, don't think of tornadoes at all, think of things getting done fast and people in good homes again with trees in their yards.
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There are many, many levels. People in the 3D world are on different levels. There are people who are wholly invested in the illusion, and play their roles believing them to be absolutely real.

There are people who are heavily trapped in duality, some less so.

You are part of a complex system which involves your Higher Self. There is no "time", so every incarnation of you is experiencing their life simultaneously under the control of your HS. You "experience" your incarnations as a linear series of lives, but really, there is no time.

Your Higher Self is kind of a prick. I suspect this whole idea of you being complicit in the illusion is just more bullshit. It is sort of like someone being manipulated into agreeing to be drugged and then beaten, but half way through, they decide they don't want to play anymore. The abuser says, "But you agreed to this." The victim responds, "I don't give a shit, I don't remember agreeing and I don't want to play." This type of arrangement is nothing more than evil dressed up like it is free will.

There is no free will if you cannot choose to stop the illusion at any time.

Anyway, your HS is collecting these experiences and attempting to keep you stuck in this illusion in order to gain more. Whenever you bitch too much about it, they give you a big dose of feel-good love so you believe it's really about your soul's progression. Actually, it's just more lies and deception to keep you here deep in the illusion.

Even the concept of "God" in this realm (not the Creator) really doesn't understand or give a shit about your suffering. It's a system of spiritual psychic vampirism where beings feed off your experiences. Bad events carry a lot more wallop.

So after a particularly crappy life, and when you start realizing this is all complete bullshit, you are offered the opportunity to experience a really terrific incarnation.

You know those people you see where they are born into wonderful families full of love, where their creativity is fostered, they have tremendous opportunities and their lives are a series of successes? These are the lives of privilege and leisure. You'll know them because they always have a freak accident before the age of 30, before their bodies start to deteriorate and their death is always immediate and without suffering.

Anyway, those lives are to keep them stuck in the illusion and to get them to agree to return. Then, bam, they are a starving infant next to some emaciated cow in Ethiopia.

It isn't about you learning anything, or spiritually evolving. It is a trap. It is about recycling your soul, endlessly through various incarnations. The reason your memory is wiped is because if you understood how many times you had done it, and the sheer weight of the suffering you've endured, you will simply starve yourself to death as soon as you found yourself in physical form. There is no way any of us would agree to experience suffering like this and anyone telling you otherwise is just perpetuating the lie.

This system was put in place by a "God" who is long gone, and then taken over by "alien" forces (actually interdimensional beings) who use it to keep us here in prison.

There is a way out, but this has gotten very long. If you want to buck the system, stop feeding them energy. Stop giving into anxiety, anger, fear, joy, happiness, etc. Remember, positive emotions are simply the flip side of negative ones. Love and light are the same illusion in better dressing.

And whatever you do, when you die, get as far away from the Earth and Moon as possible and DO NOT go toward the light. That is part of the trap as well.
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OK. I would like to respond to this, but don't have the time right now. I agree with the general premise and direction. We disagree on fine points. I am not so sure it is an actual trap for the benefit of another, or a recurring cycle in the form of "school". Merit-based means you don't graduate until you deserve to. The cycle of reincarnation ends when you completely master the 6 senses (mind being the 6th) and no longer succumb to passion, anger, greed, etc. Like I said no time, but I want to come back to this. This is very close to the real Truth.
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It's a possibility. No one knows the "real truth"
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There are many, many levels. People in the 3D world are on different levels. There are people who are wholly invested in the illusion, and play their roles believing them to be absolutely real.

There are people who are heavily trapped in duality, some less so.

You are part of a complex system which involves your Higher Self. There is no "time", so every incarnation of you is experiencing their life simultaneously under the control of your HS. You "experience" your incarnations as a linear series of lives, but really, there is no time.

Your Higher Self is kind of a prick. I suspect this whole idea of you being complicit in the illusion is just more bullshit. It is sort of like someone being manipulated into agreeing to be drugged and then beaten, but half way through, they decide they don't want to play anymore. The abuser says, "But you agreed to this." The victim responds, "I don't give a shit, I don't remember agreeing and I don't want to play." This type of arrangement is nothing more than evil dressed up like it is free will.

There is no free will if you cannot choose to stop the illusion at any time.

Anyway, your HS is collecting these experiences and attempting to keep you stuck in this illusion in order to gain more. Whenever you bitch too much about it, they give you a big dose of feel-good love so you believe it's really about your soul's progression. Actually, it's just more lies and deception to keep you here deep in the illusion.

Even the concept of "God" in this realm (not the Creator) really doesn't understand or give a shit about your suffering. It's a system of spiritual psychic vampirism where beings feed off your experiences. Bad events carry a lot more wallop.

So after a particularly crappy life, and when you start realizing this is all complete bullshit, you are offered the opportunity to experience a really terrific incarnation.

You know those people you see where they are born into wonderful families full of love, where their creativity is fostered, they have tremendous opportunities and their lives are a series of successes? These are the lives of privilege and leisure. You'll know them because they always have a freak accident before the age of 30, before their bodies start to deteriorate and their death is always immediate and without suffering.

Anyway, those lives are to keep them stuck in the illusion and to get them to agree to return. Then, bam, they are a starving infant next to some emaciated cow in Ethiopia.

It isn't about you learning anything, or spiritually evolving. It is a trap. It is about recycling your soul, endlessly through various incarnations. The reason your memory is wiped is because if you understood how many times you had done it, and the sheer weight of the suffering you've endured, you will simply starve yourself to death as soon as you found yourself in physical form. There is no way any of us would agree to experience suffering like this and anyone telling you otherwise is just perpetuating the lie.

This system was put in place by a "God" who is long gone, and then taken over by "alien" forces (actually interdimensional beings) who use it to keep us here in prison.

There is a way out, but this has gotten very long. If you want to buck the system, stop feeding them energy. Stop giving into anxiety, anger, fear, joy, happiness, etc. Remember, positive emotions are simply the flip side of negative ones. Love and light are the same illusion in better dressing.

And whatever you do, when you die, get as far away from the Earth and Moon as possible and DO NOT go toward the light. That is part of the trap as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969156


OK. I would like to respond to this, but don't have the time right now. I agree with the general premise and direction. We disagree on fine points. I am not so sure it is an actual trap for the benefit of another, or a recurring cycle in the form of "school". Merit-based means you don't graduate until you deserve to. The cycle of reincarnation ends when you completely master the 6 senses (mind being the 6th) and no longer succumb to passion, anger, greed, etc. Like I said no time, but I want to come back to this. This is very close to the real Truth.
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I am not sure who exactly benefits, whether it is some concept of God, or higher beings, blah, blah, blah. I do know that many people talk about NDE's and meeting up with a council or guides who promote this idea that we need to return to learn and grow, and then the person is compelled to take another life.

I have read about NDE's where souls have simply refused to go back in and were literally forced to do so. Others have told me that they did not get the life they agreed to, and when they confronted the controllers, they were told they did the best they could, but basically tough shit. I do know of one person who had an NDE, and was given an opportunity to return, but did not go back to the life they had, instead, the timeline jumped and they were living an alternate reality. They are still pissed off about this. Whether it is for our own good or not, there is no free will. If someone benefits or not, the end result is still the same -- you are enslaved.

I personally believe that some of these Sudden Infant Death Syndrome babies are souls that flatly refused to take a life. I will NOT come back here unless I am forced to do so. And if I didn't believe there was a way out, I would have committed suicide a long time ago.

I have to disagree with the idea of it being merit-based. I do think it has to do with gnosis -- that is, once you have the knowledge to defeat the system, and understand how the illusion keeps you trapped, you can be your own savior and free yourself.

And I guess it doesn't matter if we're being used by other beings or not. The result is still the same. We're here, we're stuck and we want this to end.

The problem is that you have to break free of the illusion in order to learn how to transcend it. The only way I have determined how to do this is to understand that in this life, if you have grasped that this is all bullshit, you have a rare opportunity to break fee. This may be the only lifetime you have where you make this realization, so don't squander the opportunity.

For me, that means mastering the 4th dimension, the astral plane. You have to become proficient at astral traveling in order to gain enough knowledge to break free at the time of death. You must use this time to gain as much knowledge as possible so that when death comes, you will be sufficiently aware to direct yourself away from the reincarnation "trap" or cycle.

This is where you can use the script to your advantage. The "controller(s)" cannot change the script they have written. So if you are here until you are 70, you can use this time to master manipulating the illusion. They can try to scare you, but they really cannot stop you.
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Or maybe the "astral plane" is another illusionary trap to give you the appearance that you are actually going somewhere?

Does "3d" exist? Do "astral planes" really exist?

Another mind fuck?

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