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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
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How do you solve a problem like Maria?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maria?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!
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how indeed?
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Maria

Mary

Maris

Mar

Mater

Material

Matter

Mama

Matrix

Maya
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How do you solve a problem like Maria?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maria?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!
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how indeed?
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Maria

Mary

Maris

Mar
Mater

Material

Matter

Mama
Matrix

Maya
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The mother archetype is a particularly good example. All of our ancestors had mothers. We have evolved in an environment that included a mother or mother-substitute. We would never have survived without our connection with a nurturing-one during our times as helpless infants. It stands to reason that we are "built" in a way that reflects that evolutionary environment: We come into this world ready to want mother, to seek her, to recognize her, to deal with her.

So the mother archetype is our built-in ability to recognize a certain relationship, that of "mothering." Jung says that this is rather abstract, and we are likely to project the archetype out into the world and onto a particular person, usually our own mothers. Even when an archetype doesn't have a particular real person available, we tend to personify the archetype, that is, turn it into a mythological "story-book" character. This character symbolizes the archetype.

The mother archetype is symbolized by the primordial mother or "earth mother" of mythology, by Eve and Mary in western traditions, and by less personal symbols such as the church, the nation, a forest, or the ocean. According to Jung, someone whose own mother failed to satisfy the demands of the archetype may well be one that spends his or her life seeking comfort in the church, or in identification with "the motherland," or in meditating upon the figure of Mary, or in a life at sea.

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Water - The symbolism of water is extremely complex. It suggests the amniotic life, the fetal period. In this respect it can suggest the returning to the past, to childhood, to infantilism. The water washes but also cleans (erases=destroys!). The water is a habitual element without which life cannot exist. It has alchemical significance - it is the substance which transforms (or the prima materia ). The water - the flood - is the tool used by God to clean the degenerated humanity. It can thus suggest the accumulation of destructivity. It is also a symbol of the libido. It is the elementary mother (which includes the physical mother too).

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Water
Astrology: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces
Tarot: Cups
Jung: Feelings/Emotion
The element Water associated with the signs of
Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces influences the conscience
and the subconscious forces that act on our lives,
The element water pours forth to others.It allows
one to feel their pain and suffering and offer sincere
compassion. Psychic awareness is also present
in the water signs and shows itself from time to
time with uncanny accuracy. Water seeks to heal
and nurture those around it. However uncontrolled,
it can send emotions on a turbulent path resulting
in moodiness and unpredictable highs and lows,
like the drest and trough of the waves.

Water signs need serenity and calmness,like a
gentle flowing river nurturing all in its wake
and at the same time leading to the discovery
of new paths.

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Water - Symbol and Mythology

All creation myths begin with Water. These creation myths tell
of how the Breath of Spirit blew over the Great Waters giving
birth to all of creation. The Breath of Spirit represents the the
masculine Seed of the Eternal Mind which impregnates the
feminine Waters of the Great Subconscious Womb in the initial
act of Spiritual Creation.

Symbolically, Water represents all that lies below the surface:
Water represents Our Subconscious. Our Subconscious is the
limitless creative ocean of our Divine Nature which has direct access
to The Great Subconsciousness of Creation.

Water is the realm of feelings, dreams, imagination, and intuition.
It is the realm of Spiritual and Mental Creation at the most subtle,
sensitive and sentient level. The Great Ocean of Our Subconscious
is where all the elements of creation, everything that is and ever
will be, already exist in their un-manifested form awaiting the
"Seed of Thought" to impregnate them.

Once the Subconscious is impregnated by the "Seed of Thought",
the Waters of the Subconscious then protect, nourish and nurture
this new creation until it is ready for manifestation in the physical
realm.

We can picture the element of Water (Our Subconscious) as a
great ocean. When we look upon this great ocean we can only see
its surface. However, below the surface of this great ocean exists
all the mysteries and unknowns that lie deep below the surface.
The deep recesses of this great ocean represent the deep recesses
of Our Subconscious.

It is in these deep recesses that all current unknowns and mysteries
exist in their un-manifested forms. The fact that we cannot currently
"see" these mysteries and unknowns does not alter the fact that they
do currently exist, un-manifested, deep below the surface.

Once we discover, and then pull, an unknown from the depths of
these great Waters of Our Subconscious it is no longer an unknown.
In the same manner, once we discover and pull a mystery from the
depths of these great Waters of Our Subconscious it is no longer a
mystery; it then becomes a Truth, a fact, a reality.

This is the Symbolism of the element of Water: Within the depths of
Our Subconscious lie the mysteries and unknowns of today that are
awaiting our discovery so that we can make them the realities,
manifestations and creations of tomorrow.

[link to www.aseekersthoughts.com]
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the word 'matter' is derived from the word 'mater' which is latin for mother
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I can pretty much see through all the bullshit of this illusion and will sum in up below.

1) It's scripted shit - Your character role is scripted and so is the storyline.

2) Law of attraction is bullshit - It doesn't matter what you say, do, think or believe - The who or what that controls this illusion will sometimes give you what you believe but sometimes not. There is no set formula or rhyme or reason.

3) It seems like a sort of "inverted reality" where you get often what you don't want and what you want is unreachable. Though once in awhile the PC (Program controller) throws out a "cookie" or a "carrot" to pull you along down different "rabbit holes"

4) No one know anything! All you know is you think therefore you are! You can't trust your perceptions. Where do your thoughts, feelings come from? Are your thoughts and feelings scripted by the PC (Program controller)

So my question for you is WHO or WHAT do you think controls this illusion?

It could be the following:

1) Evil Aliens

2) We're already microchipped at birth and we're already programmed

3) We have a higher or expanded part that is "pooping out" scene after scene.

Now I'm going with number 3) because it seems to me I have this big blob or PC (Program Controller) or expanded self or higher self that just "poops out" scenes regardless of what I feel about that scene. It is like this machine that just robotically produces scenes and even has scripted my thoughts, beliefs, feelings and actions. It's all scripted bullshit and yes I've posted before.

It seems the Expanded Asshole that controls this illusion just keeps trying to suck me into the bullshit that is this illusion. It will try to suck me in by using those around me or events to get me going down "rabbit holes" again or buying into the kaka that is this illusion.

Problem is I ain't buying it anymore. I really don't give a flying fuck whether there are chemtrails or whether we end up in FEMA camps...who cares? Just a storyline.

What pisses me off is the fact that I'm not "in the driver's seat". That there is some robotic or sick and twisted fuck of a being controlling the script and my scenes.

I'm looking to hear from others about what or whom they feel controls this illusion and the script.

Not looking for a discussion about whether this illusion is scripted or not.

Not looking for some mind control games by shilltards.

Not looking for a psych evaluation from amateurs who have their own mental problems

Was Descartes correct that some evil aliens are controlling this illusion?

Like I said I believe it's an expanded self that is robotic and "poops out" scenes and feels nothing about what I experience. But I can never know for sure.

The fucker sure likes to dangle "carrots" out there to get me going down "rabbit holes"..that's for sure...

The storyline sure doesn't interest me anymore...could care less about conspiracy shit or mainstream shit...'cause it's all shit...just more "TRAPS" the PC (Program Controller) is dishing out

And please no posts from arrogant condescending assholes who think they know for 100% anything...just your THEORIES because let's face it that's all we have!

I'm gonna read responses and not respond probably for awhile just 'cause I wanna read people's thoughts is all

Thanks!
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You're a hologram. This universe is a hologram. The whole contained within all the parts. You already have the information that the skunk will be there on some level, that's why it feels scripted. There is no free will. Free will is a myth. Everything is determined by the source of the hologram. Only that which is in the source hologram can happen. That is why you feel there is someone controlling it. It's also why you feel that scenes are being played out. Everything comes from the source hologram, including thoughts and feelings.abduct
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To OP; User ID: 10875142 and the readers,

I wanted to forward to you some information that i collected and that you
might find as being supplementary to your current thinking.



Topics:
"machines"/"robot(s)" , "influx-"arcanum" " , "breaking connection"/"refute falsities" , "full appearance"/"the "proprium"" , "shall be happy" , "clean, strong, healthy"/"self-love" , "Sirius, Orion, Love of The Great Dog [Canis Major]"


...Thus men walk about as machines; they are nothing in the eyes of spirits;
and if they know one to be a man, and also a spirit,
they would still look upon him as an inanimate machine,
while the man all the time supposes himself to be living and thinking, and the spirit to be nothing.

=> FROM: heavenlydoctrines.org/Writings English/Spiritual Experiences (Buss).htm


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...to each of us, it seems that I'm thinking and feeling from myself, and should I become directly aware that my thoughts stream in from others, I would feel like a computer or robot instead of a free human being. So by the Laws of Divine Providence we are not allowed to be directly aware of spiritual influx. This was not the case in prior generations, a long time ago, as Swedenborg had the occasion to find out in the spiritual world by meeting those Ancient Peoples still living in tents rather than houses, in contrast to the other people in the spiritual cities, some of whom live in magnificent palaces and estates, as witnessed many times by Swedenborg).

So now you might like to read how Swedenborg describes his discovery and proof.

=> [link to www.soc.hawaii.edu]
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289. [...] This was done with many, including Leibniz, who was also convinced that no one thinks from himself but from others; nor do these from themselves think, but that all think from influx out of heaven and heaven from influx originating from the Lord. When some had given careful consideration to this, they declared it to be amazing, saying that scarcely anyone could be induced to believe it, because it is quite contrary to appearance; but still that they could not deny it because it was fully proved. Nevertheless, while they were astonished they declared,...

From: [link to www.soc.hawaii.edu]

also [whole text] => heavenlydoctrines.org/Writings English/Divine Providence (Dole).htm


290. [...] ...this interior truth (arcanum) was immediately disclosed to me. For I was told from heaven that, like others, I believed that I thought and willed from myself when in fact there was nothing from myself but if there was good it originated from the Lord, and if evil it originated from hell.

That this was so was demonstrated to me in a realistic manner by various thoughts and affections induced upon me, and I was enabled gradually to perceive it and to feel it. Therefore, as soon as any evil afterwards entered into my will or any falsity into my thought, I inquired into its source.

This was disclosed to me, and I was also permitted to speak with those from whom it came, to refute them, and to compel them to withdraw and thus to retract their evil and their falsity and to keep them to themselves, and no longer to infuse any such thing into my thought.

This has happened a thousand times; and in this state I have remained now for many years, and I continue in it still; and yet I seem to myself to think and to will from myself like others, with no difference, for it is Of the Lord's Providence that it should so appear to everyone, as was shown above in its own place.

=> heavenlydoctrines.org/Writings English/Divine Providence (Dole).htm

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...Now since man is not willing to know that he is led to think by others,
but desires to think from himself
and also believes that he does so, it follows that he himself is at fault, nor can he free himself of blame so long as he loves to think what he is thinking;
But if he does not love it he breaks his connection with those from whom his thought flows. [...]

From: [link to www.soc.hawaii.edu]

also => heavenlydoctrines.org/Writings English/Divine Providence (Dick and Pulsford).htm


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"FULL APPEARANCE"
:


...But in order that we may feel anything as our own there must be the appearance that it actually is our own; that we can do what we like with it. Moreover in order to enjoy a thing it must appear to be our own and at our own disposal. The Lords love is such that it wills man to receive that love and feel it as the delight of love and of life in himself. This, however, would not be possible unless the man felt as if he lived in and from himself; for without this appearance the man would be an automaton.

But God created man in the image of God; that is, he created him with the full appearance that he lives from himself; we seem to live from ourselves, because we cannot see life inflowing into us; and in this seeming we are images of God who really does live from Himself because He is life itself.

Now man is created with this appearance of living from himself in order that he man freely acknowledge that he lives from God, and thus learn to obey the Divine Commandments. These commands are nothing less than the laws which the Lord has given, and which man is to observe in order to receive the end and object of Divine Love, which is that man shall be happy.
Not happiness is possible, that is, no eternal or genuine happiness, where there is the love of self: and therefore, the Lord wills that we shall shun the love of self and obey the law of the Divine Truth.

As I have said, for this purpose we are born with the appearance that we live from ourselves.
This appearances is the basis of self-love. Self-love is not in itself an evil love;
it is, indeed, given to man in order that it may be a servant in the acknowledgment of God,
--that he may love to keep his body clean, strong, and healthy.
In order that he may be fitted to do his uses.
Self-love arises from the appearance that we live from ourselves, and this appearance is given us in order that we may be free to acknowledge the Lord.

But self-love is abused when it is used merely for the gratification of ones own desires. and without regard to justice. Such self-love is in the desire of destroying the happiness of others whenever anothers happiness conflicts or appears to conflict with its own. Thus the man who is in self-love, if he is at table, thinks only of satisfying his own appetite and is indifferent as to his duty to his neighbor at the table.
Of course, it is natural for men to wish to satisfy their appetites;
but the difference is that in the one case the love of self and the consciousness of ones own individuality and needs is subordinate to the acknowledged truth that the Lord from His Love commands us to love the neighbor; while in the other case the love of self regards only itself and is careless as to the happiness of others.

From: SERMONS on the TEN COMMANDMENTS Volume 2 "Acton, Alfred" 1914-1918

=> heavenlydoctrines.org/Books and Monographs/Ten Commandments Sermons II - Acton.html

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[...] Oh, that there are so many lunatics in the world these days!
They regard the light as darkness and the darkness as light!

12. Already there is a star in the East that will pave the way for Orion, and the fire of
[The Great Dog
/Canis Major] Sirius will consume all of them.
And I will fling great numbers of stars to the earth so
that all the evildoers may perish and My light shine everywhere.
13. I, Jehovah, God from eternity, the True and Faithful, for a final warning. Amen.
14. This concerns first of all you, who have so poorly recorded this, and then all the
others. Amen. This says the First and the Last. Amen.


Correspondences:
"the east" <=> the inner living Word
"the star" <=> the lovelight in this word itself
"orion" <=> the Love of God
"the fire of the great Dog" <=> signifies the great loyalty/devotion/faithfulness/fidelity [german "Treue" =(?) true-ness] of this Love, "because the dog is a sign of loyalty"


Chapter 2
THE LORD'S PRECEPTS FOR MEN

Thus spoke the Lord to me and within me for everyone, and that is true, faithful and certain:
1. You are the Lot of Sodom, but make sure that you do not suffocate in unchastely
and thus participate in the heritage of the harlot, for you are unlike anyone before or
after you. As a man you are entirely in the flesh and its lust, but as a spirit you are
completely free with open eyes and open ears. You soil your body with dirt, whilst
streams of light are poured upon your spirit. Your body feeds with the swine, whilst a
thousand angels surround your spirit. You have filled your earthly heart with mire
and dirt, but I have made My abode in the heart of your spirit. You talk with harlots,
whilst I talk to you as a brother to his brother. You stink like a cesspool, and your
spirit breathes the sweet odors of the highest heavens. You are a horrible creature, but
your eye shines more than the suns. Therefore, cleanse your flesh and become one
with Me so that I may become One with you.

2. Tell the fearful mothers not to raise their daughters to be afraid of men and the
world. For what one fears one blindly obeys when the temptation arises and those
who are feared have an easy victory. Let them teach their daughters rather to respect
and love Me that I may be the victor and they despise the world and least on My
boundless love. They shall not take them to public places to find a husband, but to
Me. Let them bring them to Me and I tell you: Not one of their desires shall remain
unblessed and unsatisfied. For I am a rich God who has plenty of everything which
He can -and will- give in abundance.

3. The poor shall not beg at the doors of the rich where they experience the lot of
stray dogs and their hearts are turned to sorrow and bitterness. They shall come to Me
with great confidence, and I shall refresh them all. I shall give load to the hungry and
drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked and heal the sick. The lame shall leap like a hart,
the leper shall be cleansed, the blind will see and the deaf hear, and I will make the
weak stronger than a lion. The timid shall become bolder than a colt and the aged
shall find rest. The poor is My closest brother, I care for him. Therefore, the dogs
shall not debase him, for the rich of the world are brothers of Satan and children of
the devil in hell.

=> franky1.com/Household of God 1.pdf
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Jakob Lorber"
"EZW points to a 1966 Berne dissertation by Antoinette Stettler-Schär which diagnosed Lorber with paranoid schizophrenia. This diagnosis has been dismissed by Bernhard Grom, who diagnoses self-induced hallucination.[20]"
=> [link to en.wikipedia.org]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Emanuel Swedenborg"
Some have asserted that Swedenborg lost his mind, suffering some sort of mental illness or nervous breakdown.[28] While this idea was not uncommon during Swedenborg's own time, it is mitigated by his activity in the Swedish Riddarhuset (The House of the Nobility), the Riksdag (the Swedish parliament), and the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. A close analysis of the historical facts of his life conducted by the Swedenborg Scientific Association concluded that he was sane.[78]

...Neither did he wish to compare it to philosophy, a discipline he discarded in 1748 because it "darkens the mind, blinds us, and wholly rejects the faith".[124]
=> [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Hoping this was enjoyable here and there,
Greetings and the best to you two,

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Remember though,you were borned with a name called
"Bryan"

What could be the reason your name is like that in this simulation?

There has to be a reason.



The author of a thread I found goes very indepth on this,
matter of fact
this is going to HELP YOU ALOT in a major way!



Google:(Copy/Paste these words)

"What are u going to do now in this virtual reality"

First link on Da.Ic. Forums.

The best thread you will see on this matter!
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your partner and you are the 2 witnesses

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i've had email exchanges with OP and it seems he is homeless and in difficulty. where he is homeless there are no food banks or homeless shelters. he says weather has been a major issue.

if anyone in this discussion can donate to OP even $5 his paypal is listed in the discussion (infinite@elitefitness.com)

thanks for your generosity.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Emanuel Swedenborg"
Some have asserted that Swedenborg lost his mind, suffering some sort of mental illness or nervous breakdown.[28] While this idea was not uncommon during Swedenborg's own time, it is mitigated by his activity in the Swedish Riddarhuset (The House of the Nobility), the Riksdag (the Swedish parliament), and the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. A close analysis of the historical facts of his life conducted by the Swedenborg Scientific Association concluded that he was sane.[78]

...Neither did he wish to compare it to philosophy, a discipline he discarded in 1748 because it "darkens the mind, blinds us, and wholly rejects the faith".[124]
=> [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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i have met with OP where he is living homeless with his friend in South Carolina

he says he has had many experiences.

he met a woman who said his friend and himself reminded her of the two witnesses from the bible.

he said he also talked with a dominican priest who told OP he saw "God in his eyes". the priest said to them that there was a dark force trying to prevent OP from doing what he is supposed to be doing or prevent OP from figuring things out. he told OP his experiences were similar to saints and their mystical experiences.

OP also told me that he saw a moon/sphere-shaped object early one morning that moved towards the ocean and then towards his friend and him and then when they moved towards it it moved away. he also mentioned the brightest star in the sky moving above them like a spaceship.

he mentioned many other odd experiences.

OP says he is going to mass at Roman Catholic church where he is and feels it to be a refuge for himself and his friend

OP feels like he is barely hanging on with mosquitos, weather and hunger.
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he said he also talked with a dominican priest who told OP he saw "God in his eyes".
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if you look carefully you can see "G.O.D." in everyone's eyes
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OP says he is going to mass at Roman Catholic church where he is and feels it to be a refuge for himself and his friend
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it's interesting that the OP has turned to orthodox religion after everything he said about it in this thread
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OP says he is going to mass at Roman Catholic church where he is and feels it to be a refuge for himself and his friend
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it's interesting that the OP has turned to orthodox religion after everything he said about it in this thread
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i can't answer for him but i can't imagine he's embracing the Roman Catholic dogma.from what i understood from talking with OP it was more a refuge in the sense of something familiar in his strange and surreal world. he did tell me that his life now seems to encompass all beliefs.
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i have met with OP where he is living homeless with his friend in South Carolina

he says he has had many experiences.

he met a woman who said his friend and himself reminded her of the two witnesses from the bible.

he said he also talked with a dominican priest who told OP he saw "God in his eyes". the priest said to them that there was a dark force trying to prevent OP from doing what he is supposed to be doing or prevent OP from figuring things out. he told OP his experiences were similar to saints and their mystical experiences.

OP also told me that he saw a moon/sphere-shaped object early one morning that moved towards the ocean and then towards his friend and him and then when they moved towards it it moved away. he also mentioned the brightest star in the sky moving above them like a spaceship.

he mentioned many other odd experiences.

OP says he is going to mass at Roman Catholic church where he is and feels it to be a refuge for himself and his friend

OP feels like he is barely hanging on with mosquitos, weather and hunger.
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Thanks for the update and sharing the news, although I understand you can't speak on his/their behalf.

What made you want to meet up with them?

What did you get from the experience?

Will you be meeting with them again?
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bump so how do we escape/become free????
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OP was one of the most influental person in life of this time.

One of the greatest living in the matrix hands down.


Here is music for OP in this "Simulated" reality:






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so how do we escape/become free????
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you're already free
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The U.S. Military has total control of the terrain - psychological, spiritual, and physical. Put your crayons and coloring books away, children.
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Yeah but Michael the Archangel is who all military and police claim is their protecting angel, or who they claim to try to be like.

...Are they going to tell HIM to put away his crayons too?

...are they going to REBEL against their CHIEF?

[link to disney-stationary.com]
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trust me Christ is in control he's God so he permitts whatever we want
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trust me Christ is in control he's God so he permitts whatever we want
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Dan.4
[1] Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.
[2] I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me.
[3] How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
[4] I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:
[5] I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.
[6] Therefore made I a decree to bring in all the wise men of Babylon before me, that they might make known unto me the interpretation of the dream.
[7] Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.
[8] But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,
[9] O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.
[10] Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
[11] The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
[12] The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
[13] I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
[14] He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
[15] Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
[16] Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
[17] This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
[18] This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.
[19] Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.
[20] The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
[21] Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:
[22] It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.
[23] And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
[24] This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:
[25] That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
[26] And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.
[27] Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.
[28] All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
[29] At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.
[30] The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
[31] While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
[32] And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
[33] The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
[34] And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
[35] And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
[36] At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
[37] Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.


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like i've gone thru a process and now i'm in the angry stage before i become a "king" and can create things at will
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why after angerr stage do i become a "King"? why do i have the feeling i'm here to destroy this world like a virus or to change it?
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it's the jewish freemasons. They are controlling everyone with the Lord heresy making everyone think and bow down to the Lord who is actually satan. Just remember Christ is your maker. The jewish jesus from the bible,the son of the Lord,the Lord's only begotten son does not exist. That's how the jewish people control you.
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i have met with OP where he is living homeless with his friend in South Carolina

he says he has had many experiences.

he met a woman who said his friend and himself reminded her of the two witnesses from the bible.

he said he also talked with a dominican priest who told OP he saw "God in his eyes". the priest said to them that there was a dark force trying to prevent OP from doing what he is supposed to be doing or prevent OP from figuring things out. he told OP his experiences were similar to saints and their mystical experiences.

OP also told me that he saw a moon/sphere-shaped object early one morning that moved towards the ocean and then towards his friend and him and then when they moved towards it it moved away. he also mentioned the brightest star in the sky moving above them like a spaceship.

he mentioned many other odd experiences.

OP says he is going to mass at Roman Catholic church where he is and feels it to be a refuge for himself and his friend

OP feels like he is barely hanging on with mosquitos, weather and hunger.
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Thanks for the update and sharing the news, although I understand you can't speak on his/their behalf.

What made you want to meet up with them?

What did you get from the experience?

Will you be meeting with them again?
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curiousity and they are homeless nearby where i live

they look healthy and wealthy despite their circumstances. people around would look often at them. they seem different from others.

don't know because he hasn't responded to my last few emails

OP mentioned a waiter also that he met. this waiter told OP he had expanded beyond anyone in this world and that this waiter said he and his friend couldn't be read by him. this waiter also told OP he didn't need to eat food anymore. OP said he had that idea himself. OP also wondered how this guy would know the word expanded. also this waiter was reading the same book that OP mentioned to him. the richard bach book called illusions-adventures of reluctant messiah. he said the waiter bought his friend and him drinks and OP didn't get drunk but the waiter did.
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wonderful discussion
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Re: Who or what controls this illusion?
First of all,

how did the concept of life started?

How did the universe start?
or the "God"/Source many talk about.

Even if this is all an illusion virtual reality,
this question applies ALL realitites,including the reality outside this "illusion".

The creators of this illusion doesn't know the answer to that!

Am I right?

OF COURSE!