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Who or what controls this illusion?

 
op
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i can't grab onto anything anymore ...

i'm off to bed
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yeah first l0 minutes of video i said "he understands" but then l0-20minutes goes on about lucid dreaming ... i'll finish the rest if i have time

thanks again
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yeah, i thought the same at that point! it gets a bit like that for a while,
but then gets interesting again after, in the 2nd half
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Emperor Wu of Liang asked the great master Bodhidharma,

“What is the main point of this holy teaching?”

“Vast emptiness, nothing holy,” said Bodhidharma.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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i can't grab onto anything anymore ...
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Anitya means...'impermanence.' Flux, change, is characteristic of everything whatsoever. There isn't anything at all in the whole world, in the material world, in the psychic world, in the spiritual world, there is nothing you can catch hold of and hang on to for safely. Nuttin'. Not only is there nothing you can hang on to, but by the teaching of anatman, there is no you to hang on to it. In other words, all clinging to life is an illusory hand grasping at smoke. If you can get that into your head and see that that is so, nobody needs to tell you that you ought not to grasp. Because you see, you can't.
 Quoting: Alan Watts


[link to deoxy.org]
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thanks so much for all your posts. great posts btw. i'm gonna look further at this video from yesterday: [link to www.viddler.com]

first l0 minutes are great. i'll look into 2nd half. he talks like me first l0 minutes.

like i said you don't want what i have. when you SEE what i can SEE you don't want it. but there is no going back.

i know the weather and earthuakes are connected to what is going on with me. i have no doubts about that.

my partner is attempting to get $l,000 for rent by tomorrow for new place. $600 for food because this is expensive area plus money for new shoes for winter weather. i can't do it anymore. trying to raise money because i don't have the motivation anymore.

cold weather arrives tomorrow and i'm not so sure we'd survive that .

heart noises and diarrhea this morning. very heavy. makes being in this world even more unpleasant.

strange this world with the money stuff. i don't even feel like i'm really here but then i need to pay rent for a roof and food. it's a challenge. coupled with the head stuff and the heart noises etc. and i'm ready for a club med.

like i said i wouldn't wish this on anybody. it isn't only nasty events like sprinklers or boys threatening to beat me up. it has been a continuous assault my whole life. but when the head stuff started 8 years ago is when it accelerated. this last year has been an utter hell which is why i no longger want any of this.
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36 minutes onwards is so true

what he says about self abandonment being worse than physical death is so true
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10/28/2012 05:26 AM
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when he talks at 46 minutes i'm reminded of when everyone and everything stopped in vancouver years ago and i was only aware of my own thoughts. the cars, people...everything paused and started back up again...and the feeling of being alone and emptiness or nothingness

funny when he talks about being "stealth" to friends and family...he said family and friends knew there was change with him...

i made the mistake of talking to family/friends about it...they disappeared out of my life...how could they understand with no frame of reference?

even if you tell people this stuff they'll interpret it based on their programming...no frame of reference means they'll misinterpret what you're saying
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it's like he said...this stuff is only for those who can understand it...you need to have a frame of reference for it
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10/28/2012 05:31 AM
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he's right. self abandonment is annihilation..complete and utterly
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10/28/2012 05:40 AM
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53 minutes truth

universe = consciousness he says = truth

he says there is no higher self . i say undetermined
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the indian guy who goes on about being "touched" by what he wrote...i knew right away he doesn't get him...then he starts going on about bliss....see...that's the delusion...chasing opiums like bliss...it's all bullshit...people want opiums like bliss...they want happy endings

all these supposed indian gurus...they mood-altered themselves into a state of bliss...it's such bullshit lol
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he's right...the emptiness is a haunting

bliss is mind delusion

he's calling bliss non-existence..he's trying to placate the indian guy
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taking a break @ 67minutes

see problem for him talking to characters...they can't possibly understand what he's talking about

you need a frame of reference to understand this guy
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10/28/2012 06:09 AM
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If we could figure out how to write our own programs.
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If we could figure out how to write our own programs.
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yeah ain't that the truth

i've got my head in the clouds and these symptoms and exhaustion and i feel like i'm visiting this body like stranger in a strange land and then i need to come up with $l,000 for rent. it's surreal beyond words.

gotta lie down.
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What do you mean by heart noises? If it is what I think you are speaking of I am familiar with it, I used to get it when I was a child along with a feeling of complete fear also the complete loneliness and empty feeling of discovering I am alone looking at an illusion type feeling , I don't get this anymore but when I was a child, kinda hard to explain.
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Be late with rent, you will come up with it, if not then live with a family member.
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What do you mean by heart noises? If it is what I think you are speaking of I am familiar with it, I used to get it when I was a child along with a feeling of complete fear also the complete loneliness and empty feeling of discovering I am alone looking at an illusion type feeling , I don't get this anymore but when I was a child, kinda hard to explain.
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my partner and i have heart noises which are loud and sound like stomach sounds in heart area. followed by gas and once in a blue moon diarrhea

i suggest you watch the video from steven above. if you TRULY understand what he's saying then you have a frame of reference for what is going on with my partner and i. we have a myriad of sensory indications ("symptoms")...one being head stuff where everything around us looks fake or like props on a stage...

problem with what i'm experiencing..you need to have a frame of reference otherwise you just misinterpret to fit into your egoic beLIEfs. people often THINK they understand something when they don't really.
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Be late with rent, you will come up with it, if not then live with a family member.
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this has been ongoing for 8 years +

estranged from family-of-origin already for long time

it's a new place so we can't get keys without money

we're leaving tomorrow morning the place where the sprinkler incident happened. was a temporary rental for l month only

move tomorrow if we get rent money will be our 6lst residence in 8 years...20 different cities...

i'm sick of this shit
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I understand what you are saying, what I experienced was I hear only my heart beating really loud with a squeezing sensation, then I would see my room but it would be stretched out like it was miles long not a few feet long, it would take me a while to get back to normal. I don't get it anymore. I think you have become aware of the matrix, that is most likely what it is.
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Why don't you get section eight or housing assistance if you are having financial problems with finding a place to live, or maybe get a mobile home they are affordable. I have seen mobile homes for cheap for 20,000 that would be 60 bucks a month payment along with space rent which can run from 200 and up depending on where you are at.
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Or option number two just pay the game.
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Or option number two just pay the game.
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I meant play the game meaning the more you fight it and are aware the more difficult it gets for you, you must be slick about it.
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Or option number two just pay the game.
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I meant play the game meaning the more you fight it and are aware the more difficult it gets for you, you must be slick about it.
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you don't get it. i can't fight this

i have no choice in what is happening with me.
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Or option number two just pay the game.
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I meant play the game meaning the more you fight it and are aware the more difficult it gets for you, you must be slick about it.
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you don't get it. i can't fight this

i have no choice in what is happening with me.
 Quoting: op 24771468


yes, because there's nobody there to fight it, you don't exist
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10/29/2012 03:43 AM
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the steven guy from haunted universe is another scripted trap

you see there is a "force" which i'll call an expanded self or bigger me or program controller that is scripting things. it is actively interacting or engaging me. this morning it was playing games on the computer with me lol

i have nothing to learn from others. anything within the hologram is a potential trap. best to trust my own gut on everything.

i'm the power . i say YES or NO. i choose to react or not.

i've gotta get away from the beLIEfs about ego or shadow aspects or astrology or nothingness etc.etc. it's all programming that is infecting my world

best to look at this world like the movie The Nines or like Bob's book "Busting Loose from the Money Game"

i'm gonna treat it as my own projection...me being the expanded self. it works the best.

i've gotta stop personalizing characters. stop talking to them. stop looking to them for answers.

like i always said "masters are for slaves" . those that call themselves masters or gurus are just deluded. they think they found answers. they have none. because there is nothing to know and nothing to learn. it all just IS.

i'll just see h
ow all this progresses. i came this far. i can always exit this world anytime.
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10/29/2012 03:54 AM
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all thought is metaphor
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the map is not the territory
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the words that describe the map are not the territory

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