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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1320105 Canada 05/08/2011 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end, the "head" observers mention how Peter couldn't be remembered because he never existed. Guess who is going to start getting flashes and begin remembering Peter... More then likely because the cortexephan, Olivias brain will not be affected in the same way. She can travel between universes, she'll remember Peter, then that will become a problem for the observers... new story plot |
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PatrikC325 User ID: 1278647 United States 05/08/2011 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end, the "head" observers mention how Peter couldn't be remembered because he never existed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1320105Guess who is going to start getting flashes and begin remembering Peter... More then likely because the cortexephan, Olivias brain will not be affected in the same way. She can travel between universes, she'll remember Peter, then that will become a problem for the observers... new story plot Both olivia's will remember Peter. Red has the kid! and Blonde has the Cortexephan. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1320105 Canada 05/09/2011 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end, the "head" observers mention how Peter couldn't be remembered because he never existed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1320105Guess who is going to start getting flashes and begin remembering Peter... More then likely because the cortexephan, Olivias brain will not be affected in the same way. She can travel between universes, she'll remember Peter, then that will become a problem for the observers... new story plot Both olivia's will remember Peter. Red has the kid! and Blonde has the Cortexephan. bingo... I forgot about bun in the oven... So now the observers are gonna start playin dirty to off the kid (we saw what they can do...). Walternate will probably defect to the observers side somehow as well too keep the alter-walters in conflict. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1376891 United States 05/09/2011 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is where the show should end. given, they could have shown a bit more at the end of the episode. but i think this is a fitting end to the story. what will they do next? i think the show will be drawn out for the $$. i personally feel this series changed from its original plot path. they never went back to that mysterious book that walter wrote after season 1. pity. Quoting: SmuRidleyZFT = Zerstorung durch Fortschritte der Technologie = Destruction Through The Advancement Of Technology The book was written by both Walter and Walternate, each one having a version in their own Universe. In the Prime Universe, Walter's ZFT manuscript became an unpublished manifesto with followers like David Robert Jones trying to fulfill it. In the Alternate Universe, Walternate's ZFT manuscript was published and became one of the best selling books of all time. Both books became more or less true throughout Seasons 2 and 3 as cross overs between Universes increased in frequency. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1376891 United States 05/09/2011 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end, the "head" observers mention how Peter couldn't be remembered because he never existed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1320105Guess who is going to start getting flashes and begin remembering Peter... More then likely because the cortexephan, Olivias brain will not be affected in the same way. She can travel between universes, she'll remember Peter, then that will become a problem for the observers... new story plot Olivia may likely have flashes of him but since Peter was a integral part of Walter's life in the other timeline, I wouldn't be surprised if Peter starts showing up in his dreams. I also wouldn't rule out Astrid having flashes too. She's had subtle crush on him for a while in the original timeline.(Beginning with Over There Part II - Season 2 - when Astrid gives Peter homemade pie to welcome him home). |
Diablo Jin User ID: 1376916 United Kingdom 05/09/2011 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So who or what are the observers? Are they aliens? I noticed in one of the first episodes the observers turned up. One of them was eating a really overly spiced sandwich, it is said that waiting spicy foods in excess can increase some sort of psychic link with parallel universes, there was a threa here about it and what de ja vu is! In a nutshell are they interdimensional travelling humans or something different? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1339960 United States 05/09/2011 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So who or what are the observers? Are they aliens? I noticed in one of the first episodes the observers turned up. One of them was eating a really overly spiced sandwich, it is said that waiting spicy foods in excess can increase some sort of psychic link with parallel universes, there was a threa here about it and what de ja vu is! In a nutshell are they interdimensional travelling humans or something different? Quoting: Diablo JinAn explanation of timelines and parallel Universes. This Is Real. How To Time Jump Thread: An explanation of timelines and parallel universes. This Is Real Life. How To Time Jump |
LOVE FRINGE! User ID: 1377854 United States 05/10/2011 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's not forget there is still a MAJOR plot point that hasn't been answered- Olivia's involvement with the machine. What is her power/ability pertaining to the machine? As soon as Olivia starts to remember Peter bc of her ability to cross dimensions/ time - I'm sure she will opt to make sure Peter is still conceived. Here's my second question: Just because there wasn't a rif in dimensions- doesn't mean that Walter wouldn't have a child on his own accord? He was still married in both sides- to the same lady. Maybe Peter would have been conceived without birth defects because he would have been naturally conceived. Thus Josh Jackson would have been Walters natural born son not just machine-conceived. |
fringie User ID: 1378288 United States 05/10/2011 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ""Peter Ex Machina Peter in the Prime Universe and his double in the Alternate universe were programmed creations of the machine to correct the imbalance between both Universes caused by Walter and William Bell's experiments. Peter entered both Universes via conception and birth at the same time Walter and William Bell in the Prime Universe were pulling objects from the Alternate Universe during their interdimensional experiments at Harvard."" If peter didnt enter the universes until birth at the same time walter and william were pulling objects from the other universe, how is it possible that he created the punched holes in the universe before he was born? i thought the machine created him to correct what walter and william had done. |
2342 User ID: 1109456 United States 05/13/2011 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FRINGE SEASON 3 FINALE EXPLAINED Quoting: First Person 1242565by First Person The following is an explanation of the finale for Season 3 of FRINGE for those who don't follow the show or were totally confused when Peter disappeared. The Original Machine And The First People The Machine was originally designed to heal the damage done to both Universes as the result of Walter Bishop's and William Bell's interdimensional experiments at Harvard in the 1970's where they pulled objects from the Alternate Universe. In an original timeline, the Machine was created in the future by William Bell and/or Walter Bishop to repair the damage they had done to both Universes. The First People were none other than William Bell and Walter Bishop on the "first" timeline before the machine was created. Programming the Past The machine was programmed to create an event or series of events in the past that would stop Walter from continuing his interdimensional experiments before he damaged both Universes beyond repair. The Insurance Policy And Many Worlds As an insurance policy, the machine was also sent 250 Million years into the past as a safeguard in case the programmed events failed to undo the damage caused by Walter and Bell. In accordance with the Many Worlds Interpretation Of Quantum Mechanics, time branches off into multiple timelines(The Road Not Taken - Season 1) in every instance where a choice is made. By sending the Machine 250 Million years into the distant past, the machine could be re-assembled in the recent past on any timeline. Since an innumerable number of time lines branched off from the moment the machine arrived in the distant past, there are multitudes of Machines existing within multitudes of timelines. As the Observer told Walter in the Season 1 finale; "There is more than one of everything." Peter Ex Machina Peter in the Prime Universe and his double in the Alternate universe were programmed creations of the machine to correct the imbalance between both Universes caused by Walter and William Bell's experiments. Peter entered both Universes via conception and birth at the same time Walter and William Bell in the Prime Universe were pulling objects from the Alternate Universe during their interdimensional experiments at Harvard. Peter's Genetic Defects Caused By The Machine Since both Peters were artificially created by the machine, both had genetic defects from childbirth which got progressively worse until both Peters were gravely ill in their respective Universes. Original Solution When the Peter of the Prime Universe died in 1985, the original solution was the death of the Alternate Peter in the Alternate Universe. The death of both Peters was meant to emotionally dishearten and demoralize both Walter and Walternate into giving up their endeavors and pursue some other line of work. Walter Interferes With The Machine In 1985 When Walter crossed over to the Alternate Universe in 1985 and took the Alternate Peter in order to cure him, his refusal to emotionally "let go of Peter" interfered with the functioning of the machine and magnified the imbalance between Universes originally caused by Walter and Bell's experiments. The Boy Is Important After Walter crossed back into the Prime Universe with Peter at Reiden Lake, both of them fell through the ice and nearly drowned. Walter and Peter were saved by the Observer for a simple reason; since Peter was created by the machine, he was the only one who could interact with it in at a future moment and repair all the damage caused by Walter. This is why the Observer told Walter; "The boy is important".(Peter - Season 2) Insurance Policy Implemented With the magnification of the imbalance between Universes, the Observers made sure Walter and Walternate knew of the existence of the machine in both Universes in order to heal the massive damage caused by Walter's kidnapping of Peter from the Alternate Universe. Balance And Imbalance At the very end of the finale, Peter told Walter and Walternate that he punched holes in both Universes in the past to create balance between them(i.e. the bridge). Peter was the current representation of imbalance because he was taken from the Other Side when the original Peter died. Erasure From Both Universes And Branching New Timelines It's likely Peter punched the holes in both Universes around the time Walter and Bell were performing their experiments in the 1970's but at a time just before Peter was conceived and born in both Universes. Peter's efforts canceled out the initial imbalance originally caused by Walter and Bell's experiments. At this point, new time lines branched off from the main time lines of each Universe before Peter was born in either Universe. The existence of the new time lines nullified the need for the machine to artificially create Peter in both Universes to restore balance. Therefore in each of those new time lines, Peter was never born. As a result, Peter erased himself from the new time lines of both Universes when he created balance between them. How Peter Vanished The brief appearance of Peter on the bridge between the new time lines was the result of residual overlap of the original time lines of both Universes intersecting with the bridge. This was caused by the residual energy remaining inside the machine as it powered down. As the overlap from the original Universes pulled away from the bridge and snapped back to their original time lines, Peter disappeared into nothingness. The current moment of time on the bridge instantaneously became the culmination of history from both of the new time lines where Peter never existed. Cause of the War Between Universes Changed When Peter erased himself from the new time lines of both Universes, the cause for the war between the Universes changed from Peter's abduction to Walter and Bell's experiments. The Cortexiphan trials still took place with Olivia as one of the subjects but she never met Peter Bishop either as a child(Subject 13 - Season 3) or as an adult(from The Pilot - Season 1 to The Day We Died - Season 3). The experiments carried out by Walter and Bell in the Prime Universe continued into the 1980's including cross-overs to the Alternate Universe either by Olivia during the Cortexiphan experiments or by Walter and Bell. These events gradually made things worse in the Alternate Universe until it culminated in the war between Universes and the animosity we saw in the room between Walter and Walternate at the end of the finale. Peter Never Existed And Served His Purpose The Observer on Liberty Island in the new version of the Present said Peter "never existed and served his purpose". He didn't have to exist. Peter was a function of the machine on the original time lines and wasn't necessary to restore balance on the new time lines. Conclusion The bridge between Universes at the end of the Season 3 finale is a link between two new time lines, one from the Prime Universe and one from the Alternate Universe. Peter never existed in either time line. Excellent! www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1052269 United States 05/13/2011 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the machine created the illness, perhaps there are two peters now in the corrected universe. Our Peter, who is rewritten back into the red universe and doesn't know anything of fringe for now, and the new peter that was the original blue universe peter who we know nothing about. |
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2342 User ID: 1109456 United States 05/13/2011 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FRINGE SEASON 3 FINALE EXPLAINED Quoting: First Person 1242565by First Person The following is an explanation of the finale for Season 3 of FRINGE for those who don't follow the show or were totally confused when Peter disappeared. The Original Machine And The First People The Machine was originally designed to heal the damage done to both Universes as the result of Walter Bishop's and William Bell's interdimensional experiments at Harvard in the 1970's where they pulled objects from the Alternate Universe. In an original timeline, the Machine was created in the future by William Bell and/or Walter Bishop to repair the damage they had done to both Universes. The First People were none other than William Bell and Walter Bishop on the "first" timeline before the machine was created. Programming the Past The machine was programmed to create an event or series of events in the past that would stop Walter from continuing his interdimensional experiments before he damaged both Universes beyond repair. The Insurance Policy And Many Worlds As an insurance policy, the machine was also sent 250 Million years into the past as a safeguard in case the programmed events failed to undo the damage caused by Walter and Bell. In accordance with the Many Worlds Interpretation Of Quantum Mechanics, time branches off into multiple timelines(The Road Not Taken - Season 1) in every instance where a choice is made. By sending the Machine 250 Million years into the distant past, the machine could be re-assembled in the recent past on any timeline. Since an innumerable number of time lines branched off from the moment the machine arrived in the distant past, there are multitudes of Machines existing within multitudes of timelines. As the Observer told Walter in the Season 1 finale; "There is more than one of everything." Peter Ex Machina Peter in the Prime Universe and his double in the Alternate universe were programmed creations of the machine to correct the imbalance between both Universes caused by Walter and William Bell's experiments. Peter entered both Universes via conception and birth at the same time Walter and William Bell in the Prime Universe were pulling objects from the Alternate Universe during their interdimensional experiments at Harvard. Peter's Genetic Defects Caused By The Machine Since both Peters were artificially created by the machine, both had genetic defects from childbirth which got progressively worse until both Peters were gravely ill in their respective Universes. Original Solution When the Peter of the Prime Universe died in 1985, the original solution was the death of the Alternate Peter in the Alternate Universe. The death of both Peters was meant to emotionally dishearten and demoralize both Walter and Walternate into giving up their endeavors and pursue some other line of work. Walter Interferes With The Machine In 1985 When Walter crossed over to the Alternate Universe in 1985 and took the Alternate Peter in order to cure him, his refusal to emotionally "let go of Peter" interfered with the functioning of the machine and magnified the imbalance between Universes originally caused by Walter and Bell's experiments. The Boy Is Important After Walter crossed back into the Prime Universe with Peter at Reiden Lake, both of them fell through the ice and nearly drowned. Walter and Peter were saved by the Observer for a simple reason; since Peter was created by the machine, he was the only one who could interact with it in at a future moment and repair all the damage caused by Walter. This is why the Observer told Walter; "The boy is important".(Peter - Season 2) Insurance Policy Implemented With the magnification of the imbalance between Universes, the Observers made sure Walter and Walternate knew of the existence of the machine in both Universes in order to heal the massive damage caused by Walter's kidnapping of Peter from the Alternate Universe. Balance And Imbalance At the very end of the finale, Peter told Walter and Walternate that he punched holes in both Universes in the past to create balance between them(i.e. the bridge). Peter was the current representation of imbalance because he was taken from the Other Side when the original Peter died. Erasure From Both Universes And Branching New Timelines It's likely Peter punched the holes in both Universes around the time Walter and Bell were performing their experiments in the 1970's but at a time just before Peter was conceived and born in both Universes. Peter's efforts canceled out the initial imbalance originally caused by Walter and Bell's experiments. At this point, new time lines branched off from the main time lines of each Universe before Peter was born in either Universe. The existence of the new time lines nullified the need for the machine to artificially create Peter in both Universes to restore balance. Therefore in each of those new time lines, Peter was never born. As a result, Peter erased himself from the new time lines of both Universes when he created balance between them. How Peter Vanished The brief appearance of Peter on the bridge between the new time lines was the result of residual overlap of the original time lines of both Universes intersecting with the bridge. This was caused by the residual energy remaining inside the machine as it powered down. As the overlap from the original Universes pulled away from the bridge and snapped back to their original time lines, Peter disappeared into nothingness. The current moment of time on the bridge instantaneously became the culmination of history from both of the new time lines where Peter never existed. Cause of the War Between Universes Changed When Peter erased himself from the new time lines of both Universes, the cause for the war between the Universes changed from Peter's abduction to Walter and Bell's experiments. The Cortexiphan trials still took place with Olivia as one of the subjects but she never met Peter Bishop either as a child(Subject 13 - Season 3) or as an adult(from The Pilot - Season 1 to The Day We Died - Season 3). The experiments carried out by Walter and Bell in the Prime Universe continued into the 1980's including cross-overs to the Alternate Universe either by Olivia during the Cortexiphan experiments or by Walter and Bell. These events gradually made things worse in the Alternate Universe until it culminated in the war between Universes and the animosity we saw in the room between Walter and Walternate at the end of the finale. Peter Never Existed And Served His Purpose The Observer on Liberty Island in the new version of the Present said Peter "never existed and served his purpose". He didn't have to exist. Peter was a function of the machine on the original time lines and wasn't necessary to restore balance on the new time lines. Conclusion The bridge between Universes at the end of the Season 3 finale is a link between two new time lines, one from the Prime Universe and one from the Alternate Universe. Peter never existed in either time line. Could you explain the meaning of the Event of September 11 2021? Thanks! The Finale of Fringe gave me goosebumps and your interpretation was fantastic! 5 Stars! www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1296626 United States 05/13/2011 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So who or what are the observers? Are they aliens? I noticed in one of the first episodes the observers turned up. One of them was eating a really overly spiced sandwich, it is said that waiting spicy foods in excess can increase some sort of psychic link with parallel universes, there was a threa here about it and what de ja vu is! In a nutshell are they interdimensional travelling humans or something different? Quoting: Diablo JinThe Observers are a rip off of The Watchers from Marvel Comics. |
ArmedonLSD User ID: 1367549 United States 05/13/2011 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what i don't understand is in the finale we see walternate kill Olivia. But in the LSD cartoon ep there was some shading charcter in the back of her mind. When pressed on the characters I.D., Olivia says it was the person who would kill her Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer - Dogma (1999) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1380637 United States 05/13/2011 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could you explain the meaning of the Event of September 11 2021? Quoting: 2342Thanks! The Finale of Fringe gave me goosebumps and your interpretation was fantastic! 5 Stars! I think that was just the show's way of showing us that a) we're on our earth (the twin towers didn't fall over there) and b) we're in the year 2021. They did a laughable job of sticking extra hair in front of Peter's ears to try to make it look like he had a receding hairline. Especially his right side. lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1380637 United States 05/13/2011 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could you explain the meaning of the Event of September 11 2021? Quoting: 2342Thanks! The Finale of Fringe gave me goosebumps and your interpretation was fantastic! 5 Stars! I think that was just the show's way of showing us that a) we're on our earth (the twin towers didn't fall over there) and b) we're in the year 2021. They did a laughable job of sticking extra hair in front of Peter's ears to try to make it look like he had a receding hairline. Especially his right side. lol Oh, forgot. The 2021 was the date the memorial was laid. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1491351 Belgium 08/02/2011 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is my interpretation :-) I believe that it's Walternate that built the machine in the first place... (He knows where are the part and how it works)... To win the war early, he send the machine back in the past... but first he made sure that only his universe will be able to use this weapon... and he makes it "fit" for his son Peter (since Peter only survives in his world)... Poor Walternate, an observer change his plan (in the new timeline) by distracting him just when he could save his son... you know the rest... Peter change universe and actually use the machine against Walternate... which lead to Walter realizing that one universe cannot live without the other so he sent back the machine in the past (as did Walternate previously) but this time he also sent Peter's future consciousness... And this time Peter do not make the same mistake... he changes the future... he connects the two universes with a "corridor" then convince everyone to work together... the moment he suceed (convincing them) creates the time paradox... if they don't continue the war, then the machine will never be built... and so Peter will never be involved (although he can still be alive)... So to solve the time paradox (or just a part of it) the machine AND Peter have to disappear from everyone consciousness... But then if Peter never did it, how are the universes connected in everyone consciousness? I hope this part of the paradox will come in season 4... |
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Sneaker20000 User ID: 1507052 Sri Lanka 08/16/2011 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Peter told Walter and Walternate that he punched holes in both Universes in the past to create balance between them." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1507009Can someone please explain how "creating holes in past" will create balance? I didn't understand that part. ^ Now I know the answer for the above mentioned question. |
ConfusedFringie User ID: 20972669 Spain 07/31/2012 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That was a brilliant explanation! Thank you very much, First Person! Unfortunately, I can see that you, First Person, wrote this when Season 3 ended. Now, as season 4 has come to an end too, we've found out that Peter did exist in this new time line. He existed in both universes, but he never made it beyond the lake, because in this new time line September didn't save him from drawning. If Peter had never been born, your explanation would remain perfect. Now that you know that about Peter, how do you make sense of it? How can you explain that he needed to be erased? If he was born in this time line, then he couldn't have been artificially created by the machine, could he? I believe it was Walter who created the machine according to Peter because, after all, he was the one who invented the machine. I could really use some help in this department and I would be very thankful if you could share your thoughts about this, because of the brilliance of your previous explanation! Thank you! |