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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

 
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Do you know why it exists? Why are they spraying? And what?
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I think there are several experimental programs which don't amount to much and are likely localized for the most part; however, the global
program is stratospheric or near stratospheric injection of sulfur compounds via spiked jet fuel for the most part. . . to change the rate of global warming . . . either to slow it down or speed it up . . . coffee4
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so you don't think that 'they' are flying chemtrial planes?
you think the commercial planes have something added to their feul? I don't believe that. I think the 2 are seperate.
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I have to agree here, with #7913. The planes I've seen laying the trails out in their own specific pattern are not commercial planes unless you are
talking about tanker planes as being commercial.

Now if you are saying that the commercial planes (airlines?) are also spraying, that could be and as you say at a much higher altitude. I've never seen chemtrails from a commercial flight, but they are in decent by the time they fly over my home. However I'm sure they could be spraying at a much high elevation. I believe they use several different planes from my personal observation.

Just contributing here, to help.

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Very possible. . . .coffee4
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I think there are several experimental programs which don't amount to much and are likely localized for the most part; however, the global
program is stratospheric or near stratospheric injection of sulfur compounds via spiked jet fuel for the most part. . . to change the rate of global warming . . . either to slow it down or speed it up . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


so you don't think that 'they' are flying chemtrial planes?
you think the commercial planes have something added to their feul? I don't believe that. I think the 2 are seperate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17957913


I have to agree here, with #7913. The planes I've seen laying the trails out in their own specific pattern are not commercial planes unless you are
talking about tanker planes as being commercial.

Now if you are saying that the commercial planes (airlines?) are also spraying, that could be and as you say at a much higher altitude. I've never seen chemtrails from a commercial flight, but they are in decent by the time they fly over my home. However I'm sure they could be spraying at a much high elevation. I believe they use several different planes from my personal observation.

Just contributing here, to help.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1611462


Very possible. . . .coffee4
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After reading through your posts here, George, I agree with you that commercial planes are adding something to their fuel to release in high altitude. Makes since.
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so you don't think that 'they' are flying chemtrial planes?
you think the commercial planes have something added to their feul? I
don't believe that. I think the 2 are seperate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17957913


I have to agree here, with #7913. The planes I've seen laying the trails out in their own specific pattern are not commercial planes unless you are
talking about tanker planes as being commercial.

Now if you are saying that the commercial planes (airlines?) are also spraying, that could be and as you say at a much higher altitude. I've never seen chemtrails from a commercial flight, but they are in decent by
the time they fly over my home. However I'm sure they could be spraying at a much high elevation. I believe they use several different planes from my personal observation.

Just contributing here, to help.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1611462


Very possible. . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


After reading through your posts here, George, I agree with you that commercial planes are adding something to their fuel to release in high
altitude. Makes since.
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Well, if I were responsible to run a covert aerosol injection program to alter climatic conditions. . . .it is exactly how I would do it. . . . cost effective, difficult to detect, and a tiny number of people have to cooperate. . . .peace

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Thread: Chemtrails? Doubtful. Things chemtards don't (or can't) understand. (Page 29)


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Why didn't you answer this part of the question . . .


"Also why do research where you test the visibility of combustion trails from aircraft where the sulfur content is 5,000 ppm. . . .???? Seems a waste of money and time to me. . . .don't you think. . . just inquiring minds at work here. ." .
 Quoting: George B


Ask 'them'...

 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I am asking YOUR opinion . . . I don't care about THEIR answer . . . why would you spike sulfur in jet fuel to 5,500 ppm when the maximum allowed concentration is 3,000 and the average is 300 to 800 . . . devil6
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if the maximum allowable concentration of sulfur in jet fuel is 3,000 ppm
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You keep erroneously saying that...

The 3000ppm is a DOD maximum allowable for contract buying of jet fuel...

That number has nothing to do with the civi use of fuels...

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 Quoting: SnakeAirlines

devil6

Environ Sci Technol. 2012 Apr 17;46(8):4275-82. Epub 2012 Mar 28.

Source
Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States
. sbarrett@mit.edu

". In contrast, the maximum sulfur content of aviation fuel has remained unchanged at 3000 ppm (although sulfur levels average 600 ppm in practice)."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
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And you conveniently ignore this from your 'abstract':

At ambient temperatures 5 K below the threshold temperature for contrail onset, the plume became visible about 10 m after the engine exit for high sulfur content, but 15 m after the engine exit for low sulfur content......The high-sulfur contrail grew more quickly but also evaporated earlier than the low-sulfur contrail.

cruise
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Yes. . . . it supports my assumption . . . the whole effort was to test the visibility and persistence trends of geoengineering level concentrations of sulfur compounds in jet fuel . . . which by-the-way was done in 1995 . . coffee4 Sufficient time to integrate these findings into operational process . . .


FROM:
JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 101, NO. D3, PP. 6853-6869, 1996
doi:10.1029/95JD03405

Received 22 June 1995; accepted 27 October 1995; published 20 March 1996.

Citation: Schumann, U., J. Ström, R. Busen, R. Baumann, K. Gierens, M. Krautstrunk, F. P. Schröder, and J. Stingl (1996), In situ observations of particles in jet aircraft exhausts and contrails for different sulfur-containing fuels, J. Geophys. Res., 101(D3), 6853–6869, doi:10.1029/95JD03405.

[link to www.agu.org]

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POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.5% (900)
No, I do not . . .   23.3% (575)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.0% (445)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.6% (262)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (149)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (136)
Blank (View Results) (439)

Non-Blank Votes: 2467

Thanks for all your VOTES!!!!!!

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NASA Scientist proposes using commercial air traffic to alter local climates . . . ohno


[link to www-pm.larc.nasa.gov]

Solutions?

"In principle, it may be possible to selectively
Minimize the creation of late afternoon contrail-
Induced cloudiness that will persist during the
night, when they would have a net warming
Effect, while intentionally increasing the forma-
tion of contrails early in the day, generating a
Daytime cooling. Current research is focused on
Accurately predicting the times and locations
At which contrails are liekely to persist for long
periods of time and spread over wide areas as
Contrail-induced cirrus. Such information could
Help mitigate the negative effects of aviation on
Regional and global climate by incorporating it
Into operational air traffic control and routing
Systems."
David.P.Duda@nasa.gov

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NOAA study: Increase in particles high in Earth’s atmosphere has offset some recent climate warming

July 21, 2011

A recent increase in the abundance of particles high in the atmosphere has offset about a third of the current climate warming influence of carbon dioxide (CO2) change during the past decade, according to a new study led by NOAA and published today in the online edition of Science

“Stratospheric aerosol increased surprisingly rapidly in that time, almost doubling during the decade,” Daniel said. “The increase in aerosols since 2000 implies a cooling effect of about 0.1 watts per square meter – enough to offset some of the 0.28 watts per square meter warming effect from the carbon dioxide increase during that same period.”
Sources of aerosols reach the stratosphere from above and below as shown in the graph. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide (OCS), and dimethyl sulfide(DMS) are the dominant surface emissions which contribute to aerosol formation.
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My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . . coffee4

Sulfur Graph
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From another active thread. . . .
Thread: Chemtrails? Doubtful. Things chemtards don't (or can't) understand. (Page 33)


visibility has little to do with chemtrails. . . visibility of an aerosol is an extremely short lived characteristic. . . .that was the purpose of the cited search . . . to see if increased sulfur concentrations into geoengineering useful levels would affect engine efficiency and visibility
 Quoting: George B


And your entire premise is that 'they' are using contrails for 'geoengineering' by using sulphur 'spiked' fuel in order to make more contrails and reflect sunlight...

Using your own links, I proved that higher sulphur makes contrails dissipate faster...

Back to my recent statement:

In your fucked up mind...

"Everything that proves you wrong, 'proves' you right'"

cruise
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You assume something has to be visible (to the unassisted human eye) to reflect sunlight and/or heat. . . far from the truth. . . most of the particulate from volcanoes for example dissipate in the jet streams and trail winds . .
. the sulfur compounds may never have been visible except in the (invisible) infrared portion of the light spectrum and only then because they form a layer of warmer air when observed with the proper equipment.
. . .see the photo below. . . .this is an infrared enhanced photo from NASA. . . .it shows persistent trails and cirrus cloud banks from space. . . because of the width and lower cloud cover these were probably not visible from the ground. . . .yet they were there and had climatic effect. . . .
Chemtrail Southe [link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

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Gee, Whore-Hay...

Thanks for the facts about contrails that absolutely no one disputes...

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pilot

Pssssst . . . don't tell anyone but they (Trails) are really more than contrails . . . they are a serious climatic factor . . . and eventually will have to be dealt with . . .
 Quoting: George B


norespect
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Since this has been known for years. . . . Why has there not been one practical mitigation process, procedure or policy implemented. . . .?????spock

From another active thread. . . .
Thread: Chemtrails? Doubtful. Things chemtards don't (or can't) understand. (Page 33)


visibility has little to do with chemtrails. . . visibility of an aerosol is an extremely short lived characteristic. . . .that was the purpose of the cited search . . . to see if increased sulfur concentrations into geoengineering useful levels would affect engine efficiency and visibility
 Quoting: George B


And your entire premise is that 'they' are using contrails for 'geoengineering' by using sulphur 'spiked' fuel in order to make more contrails and reflect sunlight...

Using your own links, I proved that higher sulphur makes contrails dissipate faster...

Back to my recent statement:

In your fucked up mind...

"Everything that proves you wrong, 'proves' you right'"

cruise
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You assume something has to be visible (to the unassisted human eye) to reflect sunlight and/or heat. . . far from the truth. . . most of the particulate from volcanoes for example dissipate in the jet streams and trail winds . .
. the sulfur compounds may never have been visible except in the (invisible) infrared portion of the light spectrum and only then because they form a layer of warmer air when observed with the proper equipment.
. . .see the photo below. . . .this is an infrared enhanced photo from NASA. . . .it shows persistent trails and cirrus cloud banks from space. . . because of the width and lower cloud cover these were probably not visible from the ground. . . .yet they were there and had climatic effect. . . .
Chemtrail Southe [link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth...
 Quoting: FK NBL 2562242


SHILL!!!

Whore-Hay sez that 'particulates' can 'reflect' light while 'invisible'...

cruise
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They can be visible to the human eye as well. . . it all depends on the situation. . . size of particle, concentration, altitude, humidity, temperature, dissipating winds, lower cloud cover, night time versus day time, etc.. . .each situation is different. . . if I were managing an intentional aerosol injection program that is exactly what I would count on. . . . coffee4
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Chemtrails in Vt today.
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Chemtrails in Vt today.
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Good Morning VT. . . How are you today???? hf
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Chemtrails in Vt today.
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Good Morning VT. . . How are you today???? hf
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HI George, I'm well. How about you?

Bunch of chemtrails in Vermont lately. SnakeAirlines can confirm for me.
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Chemtrails in Vt today.
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Good Morning VT. . . How are you today???? hf
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HI George, I'm well. How about you?

Bunch of chemtrails in Vermont lately. SnakeAirlines can confirm for me.
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I am fine . . .I am sure Snake would be pleased to confirm your observations . . . 1rof1

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Chemtrails in Vt today.
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Good Morning VT. . . How are you today???? hf
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HI George, I'm well. How about you?

Bunch of chemtrails in Vermont lately. SnakeAirlines can confirm for me.
 Quoting: vtcw 18157136


I am find . . .I am sure Snake would be pleased to confirm your observations . . . 1rof1
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Well, do you know that Snake has a boat that he sits in on the Lake here, watching and taking pictures of the chemtrails. rex
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Good Morning VT. . . How are you today???? hf
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HI George, I'm well. How about you?

Bunch of chemtrails in Vermont lately. SnakeAirlines can confirm for me.
 Quoting: vtcw 18157136


I am fine . . .I am sure Snake would be pleased to confirm your observations . . . 1rof1
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Well, do you know that Snake has a boat that he sits in on the Lake here, watching and taking pictures of the chemtrails. rex
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Why would he take pictures of Chemtrails . . . ?huffy

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Contrails and Aviation-induced Cirrus Clouds

"Our winters have not been as dramatically cold in recent years as they have been historically," Travis said. "Some of what has been attributed to global warming may be due to contrails that throw down a blanket of clouds to warm the nights."

Reducing the extremes of day and night temperatures could have a subtle impact on ecosystems, Travis said. It may, for instance, increase insect populations that thrive better in moderate temperatures.

Some crops could also be affected. Cranberries and citrus orchards need a certain number of cold nights and warm days to ripen properly, Travis said.

Travis said he has mixed feelings about contrails. On the one hand they have been a prime focus of his research interest for the last 10 years. On the other hand they almost spoiled a recent vacation in the Pacific Northwest.

"There were so many contrails in the sky we weren't having any nice days," he said. "The contrails were making the days kind of gloomy and overcast. There aren't as many sunny days as we had when we were kids."

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The Contrail Effect
• By Peter Tyson
• Posted 04.18.06
• NOVA

Taking action


So does Travis, who feels the fact that we can measure a change of any sort should be cause for concern. Even a slight alteration of the daily temperature range, for instance, can have repercussions, he says. "To you and I, that may seem like a nice comfortable-sounding scenario—the days are not as hot, the nights are not as cold—but for natural ecosystems, this could be a real problem. For one thing, you need to have extreme temperatures to weed out the weaker species—it's classic Darwinism."
For this reason, Travis believes we shouldn't sit by and wait to see what happens with contrails. "Anytime we can see an effect from something artificial like that, I think we want to try to do something about it," he says. The British government, for one, may be about to. It's considering requiring planes to fly at lower altitudes over Great Britain in hopes of promoting fewer contrails.
I too will be looking at contrails with a new eye—a jaundiced one. Though I will admit that if they were black as soot, it would be a lot easier.

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Very interesting quote . . . from . . .Science News

"All jet exhausts do not create contrails. In warmer areas, contrails are rare, while in temperate areas, especially in the Midwest and Great Plains, contrails are common, especially in the winter and spring. Sometimes, the added moisture of a series of jets will increase the atmospheric humidity enough so that subsequent aircraft will form contrails even though earlier ones did not. "

Contrails alter temperature the same way that natural high clouds do. During the day, the layer of ice crystals shields the ground from some of the sun's energy. At night, the layer of ice crystals prevents some of Earth's heat from dissipating into the vacuum. Without the contrails, the daytime temperature would be slightly higher and the nighttime temperature would be slightly lower, creating the increased range between lowest and highest temperatures.


[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

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Contrails warm the world more than aviation emissions
 Updated 17:50 12 August 2011 by Michael Marshall
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Using satellite observations of spreading contrails as a guide, Burkhardt built a model that simulated how they form, spread out and dissipate. Then she embedded it in a global climate model and watched what happened. She found that contrail cirrus ended up covering 0.6 per cent of Earth's surface – an area nine times as great as that covered by line contrails.

Burkhardt then used this figure to produce a more accurate estimate of the total energy trapped by contrails. Her calculations suggest a global figure of 31 mW/m2 – higher than that attributable to aviation CO2.


There is a catch, though. "[The measurement] says nothing about what will happen tomorrow," says David Lee of Manchester Metropolitan University in the UK. While a contrail lasts a day, the CO2 released from a plane lingers in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. For example, while contrails – and their warming potential – disappeared from European skies last April when an Icelandic volcanic ash cloud grounded flights, atmospheric CO2 continued to warm the world.

The flip side is that cutting contrails would make an immediate difference to atmospheric warming, whereas emissions cuts take years to have an effect, says Robert Noland of Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey.
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Ninth USA/Europe Air Traffic Management Research and Development Seminar (ATM2011)


[link to www.aviationsystemsdivision.arc.nasa.gov]

Design of Aircraft Trajectories based on
Trade-offs between Emission Sources


Abstract – Aviation operations affect the climate in several
ways. Carbon dioxide, water vapor and other greenhouse
gasses are unavoidable by-product of the combustion of
fossil fuel. There are indications that persistent contrails
can lead to adverse climate change
, although the complete
effect on climate forcing is still uncertain. A flight
trajectory optimization algorithm with fuel and contrails
models, which develops alternative flight paths, provides
policy makers the necessary data to make trade-offs
between persistent contrails mitigation and aircraft fuel
consumption. This study develops an algorithm that
calculates wind-optimal trajectories for cruising aircraft
while reducing the amount of time spent in regions of
airspace prone to persistent contrails formation. The
optimal trajectories are developed by solving a non-linear
optimal control problem with path constraints. The
regions of airspace favorable to persistent contrails
formation are modeled as penalty areas that aircraft
should avoid. The trade-off between persistent contrails
formation and additional fuel consumption is investigated
for 12 city-pairs in the continental United States. The
avoidance of contrails using only horizontal maneuvers
results in a small reduction of contrails with increasing
fuel consumption. When both horizontal maneuvers and
altitude are optimized, a 2% increase in total fuel
consumption can reduce the total travel times through
contrail regions by more than 70%. Allowing further
increase in fuel consumption does not seem to result in
proportionate reduction in contrail travel times. This
trend is maintained even in the presence of uncertainties
in the contrail formation regions such as uncertainties in
relative humidity values computed by weather forecast
models.
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Earth Warmed by Trails of Clouds that Jets Leave Behind


by Wynne Parry, LiveScience Senior Writer

Date: 29 March 2011 Time: 05:01 PM ET

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Over the span of a few hours or more, the contrail loses its definition and becomes a wispy cirrus cloud. But if the atmosphere is very moist, the line shape can exist for days, said Ulrike Burkhardt, a researcher at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics at the German Aerospace Center. She and colleague Bernd Kärcher calculated contrails' effect on climate.

"Assuming a steady growth of air traffic, then contrails would remain for some time the most important aviation-related warming. If, on the other hand, aviation volume is decreasing, then carbon dioxide would become more important relative to contrail cirrus," Burkhardt wrote in an email to LiveScience.
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HI George, I'm well. How about you?

Bunch of chemtrails in Vermont lately. SnakeAirlines can confirm for me.
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I am fine . . .I am sure Snake would be pleased to confirm your observations . . . 1rof1
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Well, do you know that Snake has a boat that he sits in on the Lake here, watching and taking pictures of the chemtrails. rex
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Why would he take pictures of Chemtrails . . . ?huffy
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I was kidding ya..grinning
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I am fine . . .I am sure Snake would be pleased to confirm your observations . . . 1rof1
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Well, do you know that Snake has a boat that he sits in on the Lake here, watching and taking pictures of the chemtrails. rex
 Quoting: vtcw 18157136


Why would he take pictures of Chemtrails . . . ?huffy
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I was kidding ya..grinning
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I know . . .I was just playing along . . . hf
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Well, do you know that Snake has a boat that he sits in on the Lake here, watching and taking pictures of the chemtrails. rex
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Why would he take pictures of Chemtrails . . . ?huffy
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I was kidding ya..grinning
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I know . . .I was just playing along . . . hf
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Why would he take pictures of Chemtrails . . . ?huffy
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I was kidding ya..grinning

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I know . . .I was just playing along . . . hf
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Thanks . . . !!!!
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Con or Chem it does not matter cause they have been doing it since a reliable plane they trusted flew then they started dropping things on other peoples heads and well it only gets better,well at least in there world that does not include you. What better way really? slow kill or fast kill it all profits them either way!
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Oh and also you might play with the weather but never will control it but for your little tricks that make you think you can control it, ahh must be getting forgetfull?

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