New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

It all seems to come down to one's trust of authority . . . And one's take on reality as presented by the world wide media . . .

Hey George,
Go check out how well Nobles thread is going today. Bahahahahahaha

Yeah, some stupid chemtard is proving his paranoid ignorance over and over..it's quite hilarious.

Hmmmm . . . I noticed these measurements are all ground measurements . . . Obviously showing EPA is doing a fine job in ground source abatement . . . Wonder what percentage of the decrease was due to all that additional air traffic added during the same years . . . Spewing out more sulfur compounds than ever before . . . Subtract low altitude for high altitude injection of sulfur I think . . .





Seems this info from 2011 conflicts with your statement. . ..

NOAA study: Increase in particles high in Earth’s atmosphere has offset some recent climate warming

July 21, 2011

A recent increase in the abundance of particles high in the atmosphere has offset about a third of the current climate warming influence of carbon dioxide (CO2) change during the past decade, according to a new study led by NOAA and published today in the online edition of Science

“Stratospheric aerosol increased surprisingly rapidly in that time, almost doubling during the decade,” Daniel said. “The increase in aerosols since 2000 implies a cooling effect of about 0.1 watts per square meter – enough to offset some of the 0.28 watts per square meter warming effect from the carbon dioxide increase during that same period.”
Sources of aerosols reach the stratosphere from above and below as shown in the graph. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide (OCS), and dimethyl sulfide(DMS) are the dominant surface emissions which contribute to aerosol formation.
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]


My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . .







That is simply because the concept of chemtrails is totally alien to their world view . . , since they are . . . The only logical explanation is volcanic sources which they have already stated were in decline . . .




From other Thread. . . . Thread: Chemtrails? Doubtful. Things chemtards don't (or can't) understand. (Page 39)





Or maybe I am more insightful and willing to explore more rational explanations . . . They are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole . . . simply because they are not allowed to think freely and consider aerosol sources other than volcanoes. . . .

More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program

I choose = intentional aerosol injection program

Last Edited by George B on 06/21/2012 04:29 PM

From other Thread. . . . . .




It is not the first time scientists have had blinders on . . . I would point to the struggle Physicians had accepting the role of germs and the need for hand washing and sterile techniques between treating patients . . .

Thread: New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails? (Page 238)

The study had painstakingly gone on for three years, compiling large amounts of data. Through the death of a friend and mentor, an insight came to him that helped him solve the riddle. It was common practice for students and doctors to go to the delivery wards just after completing autopsies for research or classroom studies.  Sanitary conditions were primitive, for this was before germ theory was developed.  Often, physicians did not wash their hands between autopsy and delivery.  As a result, they were carrying an invisible particle of infection on their hands from the cadavers to the mothers.  In other words, the doctors were inadvertently introducing into the mother’s body the infection that would kill her.  This would also explain the discrepancy between the two divisions:  midwives did not do autopsies.

Semmelweis ordered the doctors and students in his division to adopt a hand-washing technique employing a chlorine solution before they delivered any baby.  The change had an immediate impact.  In 1848, the first full year of hand-washing techniques were applied; and deaths fell dramatically, moving in line with rates from the other division and rates reported for home births.  The mortality rate after hand washing dropped from 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.

While this was a major break-through, do you think the medical world and work immediately celebrated?  No.  In fact, Semmelweis was not reappointed to his position the next year.   Even worse, it was so divisive that his division discontinued the hand-washing practice after he was not reappointed, and the mortality rate among mothers returned to their much-higher rates.  It would be almost 20 years before it was shown how Semmelweis’ “invisible cadaver particles”—caused putrefaction in dead bodies and hospitals began to adapt the practical strategies of minimizing infection.

[link to justpeaceumc.org]

Last Edited by George B on 06/21/2012 05:31 PM

The study had painstakingly gone on for three years, compiling large amounts of data. Through the death of a friend and mentor, an insight
came to him that helped him solve the riddle. It was common practice for students and doctors to go to the delivery wards just after completing autopsies for research or classroom studies.  Sanitary conditions were primitive, for this was before germ theory was developed.  Often, physicians did not wash their hands between autopsy and delivery.  As a result, they were carrying an invisible particle of infection on their hands from the cadavers to the mothers.  In other words, the doctors were inadvertently introducing into the mother’s body the infection that would kill her.  This would also explain the discrepancy between the two divisions:  midwives did not do autopsies.

Semmelweis ordered the doctors and students in his division to adopt a hand-washing technique employing a chlorine solution before they delivered any baby.  The change had an immediate impact.  In 1848, the first full year of hand-washing techniques were applied; and deaths fell dramatically, moving in line with rates from the other division and rates reported for home births.  The mortality rate after hand washing dropped from 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.





While this was a major break-through, do you think the medical world and work immediately celebrated?  No.  In fact, Semmelweis was not reappointed to his position the next year.   Even worse, it was so divisive that his division discontinued the hand-washing practice after he was not reappointed, and the mortality rate among mothers returned to their much-higher rates.  It would be almost 20 years before it was shown how Semmelweis’ “invisible cadaver
particles”—caused putrefaction in dead bodies and hospitals began to adapt the practical strategies of minimizing infection.

[link to justpeaceumc.org]

Thanks for all your votes. . . . !!!!!!


POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.4% (906)
No, I do not . . .   23.3% (579)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.2% (454)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.6% (263)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (150)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (137)
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Non-Blank Votes: 2489

Thanks !!!

You're very welcome, George. Very much appreciate all the knowledge you put into these posts.

Thanks VT. . . .you are appreciated. . . .

From the Thread above. . . .



Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .

2.5% is roughly 2,500 ppm. . . Still a far cry fro 5,500 ppm tested. . . Also, you have just demonstrated how refineries could just pass through 2,500 ppm to airlines cheaper than removing it . . . What an incentive to cooperate or look the other way when necessary . . .

Correction for above . . . 2.5% is 25,000 ppm . . . So oil supplied from US wells have about ten times more sulfur than is the maximum allowed . . . So all a refinery has to do is refine out less sulfur than normal and they can easily produce 3,000 ppm or even 5,500 ppm oil . . .

From the other Thread . . .  Thread: Chemtrails? Doubtful. Things chemtards don't (or can't) understand. (Page 45)




Feelings are mutual  . . . Chemtrail advocate think the "experts" are just too conditioned by their training, education and career restraints to think with an open mind . . . We think their inability to see common sense is delusional as well . . .

Any excuse to bump your own thread.

Like this exchange needed to be saved...

Pathetic.

The fact that you believe that chemtards have "common sense" because they connect dots that don't exist, is hilarious.

I actually thought I made a good point. . . .sorry if you disagree. . . .NOT!!!!!!

Yup, you have a VERY good point...right on the top of your head.

Some people might not notice. Others might not care. But even folks who can't tell a picture-postcard blue sky from its milky, geoengineered cousin might be able to detect other side effects of using sulfate to cool the planet.

Please share more. . . .

We have reached another milestone. . . .over 2,500 VOTES!!!!!!!



POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.5% (915)
No, I do not . . .   23.2% (582)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.2% (455)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.5% (263)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.1% (152)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (137)
Blank (View Results) (446)

Non-Blank Votes: 2504

Yeah....

Thanks very much. . .

Your Bump is appreciated !!!!! . . .

How are things in Texas?
hot there!

VT, I am in SC right now visiting family. . . The weather has been great so far except for one real hot and humid day . . .it was cool and windy today . . .great Golf weather. . . How are you?

My daughter moved to Texas! I miss her!