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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

 
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Important research summary for stratopheric sulfur injection . . .

[link to rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org]
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If I could see just one picture of a spray jet on the ground, then I would believe.
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If I could see just one picture of a spray jet on the ground, then I would believe.
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Depends on what you expect . . . There are multiple airframes capable of retrofitting . . . The question is what altitude do you need and how much tonnage do you need for what mission???? 747s or c130s . . .

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If I could see just one picture of a spray jet on the ground, then I would believe.
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Depends on what you expect . . . There are multiple airframes capable of retrofitting . . . The question is what altitude do you need and how much tonnage do you need for what mission???? 747s or c130s . . .

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I'd like to see a picture of a commercial type jet with spray nozzles on the wings -- so you can see the nozzles.
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If I could see just one picture of a spray jet on the ground, then I would believe.
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Depends on what you expect . . . There are multiple airframes capable of retrofitting . . . The question is what altitude do you need and how much tonnage do you need for what mission???? 747s or c130s . . .

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I'd like to see a picture of a commercial type jet with spray nozzles on the wings -- so you can see the nozzles.
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Since it is a covert program, if it exists at all, the imposed secrecy would not allow that . . .

Secrecy
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If I could see just one picture of a spray jet on the ground, then I would believe.
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Depends on what you expect . . . There are multiple airframes capable of retrofitting . . . The question is what altitude do you need and how much tonnage do you need for what mission???? 747s or c130s . . .

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I'd like to see a picture of a commercial type jet with spray nozzles on the wings -- so you can see the nozzles.
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Since it is a covert program, if it exists at all, the imposed secrecy would not allow that . . .

:Secrecy:
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Right...and they'd have store all the aircraft, all over the world, where no one would see them.
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From other thread .. . Thread: Yet another lame video posted as ABSOLUTE TRUTH of so-called chemtrails. (Page 3)

Funny we don't see all that supposed barium and aluminum on all the weather radars. It would stick out like a sore thumb.

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Radar images. dasbier
Iceland’s volcanic ash cloud drifting over Europe is invisible to radar. It’s too small to be seen.

[link to m.csmonitor.com]

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The three other images in the panel are X-Rays maps for Al, Ca and Si collected in the same area depicted in the SEM image.
In each map, the brightness is related to the presence of the selected element.

[link to www.rdg.ac.uk:8081]

The volcanic ash chemistry is directly related to the chemistry of the source magma. The main component is silica, SiO2, in concentration in between 50% and 70%. Other components are: Al2O3, CaO, TiO2, FeO, MgO and Na2O.

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I just uploaded a slideshow with some photographs taken some days ago:





More will surely follow in a few more days !!!!
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I just uploaded a slideshow with some photographs taken some days ago:





More will surely follow in a few more days !!!!
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Thanks . . . It does make you feel when the trails are thick that some type of climatic response is inevitable . . . hf
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
[link to aero-net.info]

 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


[link to www.maht0x0r.net]
Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
[link to aero-net.info]

 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


[link to www.maht0x0r.net]
Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
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Hi George, are you feeling better? hf
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HI Snake Airlines, are you out on the Lake right now? dance
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Hi George, are you feeling better? hf
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OH. . . HI!!! Vt . . . beginning to eat a bit now . . .feel human again . . . How are you???

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I just uploaded a slideshow with some photographs taken some days ago:





More will surely follow in a few more days !!!!
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Thanks for the slide show, pray_Italy.
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I think the purpose of most chemtrails is covert scientific tests.

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I think the purpose of most chemtrails is covert scientific tests.
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I think experimentation is a very significant motive as well . . .
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Just another update from July 20 2012:

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You know I'm still a little up in the air (no pun intented) on this issue, but there is no doubt the number of persistant contrails have increased dramatically since I was a kid. We used to never see the type of haze that now develops, seemingly almost every other day here.

I was watching a VHS video we took of a cattle branding at our ranch in the Texas Panhandle back in 1985, we were having it transfered to DVD, and it's amazing how much bluer the sky was back then...now it's hazy white at the horizon, back then it was blue all the way down to the horizon...

Something has changed, that's for sure...
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Just another update from July 20 2012:


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I am unable to view it on my IPad or IPhone . . .
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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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You know I'm still a little up in the air (no pun intented) on this issue, but there is no doubt the number of persistant contrails have increased dramatically since I was a kid. We used to never see the type of haze that now develops, seemingly almost every other day here.

I was watching a VHS video we took of a cattle branding at our ranch in the Texas Panhandle back in 1985, we were having it transfered to DVD, and it's amazing how much bluer the sky was back then...now it's hazy white at the horizon, back then it was blue all the way down to the horizon...

Something has changed, that's for sure...
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Something has changed and it will continue . . . huffy

With the expected growth in air traffic between now and 2050 persistent trails in the sky will be greatly increased . . . something will have to be done to limit them or climate change will result . . . or is that what they/we want????


Trail Map 192-20

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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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A few remote airfields strategically located . . .
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
[link to aero-net.info]

 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


[link to www.maht0x0r.net]
Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
 Quoting: George B


We have airplane induced cirrus clouds today in the Mid Atlantic. Bet the storms will be pretty awesome this evening. The storms are already predicted. Just been listening to the constant droning of planes and and watching the white clouds form in an otherwise blue sky. At least we get water.
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Chemtrails = water vapor! You chemtrailtards are the dumbest people!bsflag
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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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A few remote airfields strategically located . . .
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Where do these planes fuel up? I haven't figured that out yet.
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A few remote airfields strategically located . . .
 Quoting: George B


According to your paranoid speculation and assumptions.

Keep the fantasy alive!

Making such statements of fact, with NOTHING to back it up, proves my point. Keep up the good work!
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Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?

What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
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Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?


What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?
"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9785972


[link to www.injuredonflight.com]

A US Airways plane that left 15 people ill in January has again sickened passengers and crew, this time on a flight scheduled to leave Charlotte this morning.

Nine people were taken to the hospital this morning from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport after complaining of symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic fumes. Two pilots, five flight attendants and two passengers . . . 

The aircraft, a Boeing 767, also was involved in a January incident in which eight passengers and seven crew members complained of headaches and nausea on a US Airways flight to Charlotte from St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The plane was grounded for six days while workers discovered and repaired the problem, which was a slight fuel leak into the cabin air system, Mohr said.

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Re: New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?

What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9785972


[link to www.injuredonflight.com]

A US Airways plane that left 15 people ill in January has again sickened passengers and crew, this time on a flight scheduled to leave Charlotte this morning.

Nine people were taken to the hospital this morning from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport after complaining of symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic fumes. Two pilots, five flight attendants and two passengers . . . 

The aircraft, a Boeing 767, also was involved in a January incident in which eight passengers and seven crew members complained of headaches and nausea on a US Airways flight to Charlotte from St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The plane was grounded for six days while workers discovered and repaired the problem, which was a slight fuel leak into the cabin air system, Mohr said.

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So?!

What does that have to do with supposed "chemtrails"?!

It was a leak...and people were breathing it in...

I love how you manage to fit completely unrelated pieces into the supposed puzzle.
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Re: New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Here's the thing I don't get...

Why aren't the people who work on the airfield, the ones who breathe concentrated jet exhaust every day as a part of being an airport employee, affected by all these supposed toxins?


What about those people who sit at the end of the runway watching airplanes take off and land? I've done that and I can smell the exhaust.

Whereas, nobody can smell the exhaust of a jet as it flies overhead at 35,000 feet.

If the poisoning is in the fuel, and the pilots don't know about it, then why aren't airport workers and airport enthusiasts affected by all this "spraying?
"

Why are there no political leaders coming out in opposition to this? Why are there no lawsuits?

My point is, chemtrails are BULLSHIT. They do not exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9785972


[link to www.injuredonflight.com]

A US Airways plane that left 15 people ill in January has again sickened passengers and crew, this time on a flight scheduled to leave Charlotte this morning.

Nine people were taken to the hospital this morning from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport after complaining of symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic fumes. Two pilots, five flight attendants and two passengers . . . 

The aircraft, a Boeing 767, also was involved in a January incident in which eight passengers and seven crew members complained of headaches and nausea on a US Airways flight to Charlotte from St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The plane was grounded for six days while workers discovered and repaired the problem, which was a slight fuel leak into the cabin air system, Mohr said.
 Quoting: George B


Good find, George. Wonder why they don't just use the detectors on the planes. We have smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors in our homes (the law in some states). So you would think they would be installed on all airlines as a precautionary measure. Especially since these incidence are occurring fairly frequently according to the article you just shared. Hummmmmmmm.

Thanks, George. Was just remembering the crash in California a while back where the plane burned up. (hush, hush).

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