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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

 
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Some good research references for the future . . .


"Abstract. Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air, and may cause a warming of the atmosphere. This paper describes the formation, occurrence, properties and climatic effects of contrails. The global cover by lined-shaped contrails and the radiative impact of line-shaped contrails is smaller than as- sessed in an international assessment in 1999. Contrails trigger contrail cirrus with far larger coverage than observed for line-shaped contrails, but still unknown radiative properties. Some model simula- tions indicate an impact of particles and particle precursors emitted from aircraft engines on cirrus clouds properties. However, the magnitude of this effect cannot yet be assessed. Contrail formation can be avoided only by flying in sufficiently warm and dry air. The formation of contrail cirrus can be reduced by avoiding flights in ice-supersaturated regions of the atmosphere, e.g. by raising the flight level into the lower-most stratosphere."
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 "The introduction of more effi- cient aircraft engines does not solve the problem of contrail formation; just the opposite is true, be- cause the threshold temperature increases with increased overall efficiency η of the engines [12]. An increased efficiency η is desirable of course for economic and climate reasons by reducing the fuel consumption and reducing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)."

"Contrail-cirrus could generally be avoided if flying slightly higher in the extratropical lowermost stratosphere. Flying higher generally would cause more contrails at lower latitudes and in the tropics [57, 129]. However, for long range traffic in the extratropics, flying a little higher than today, in the lower-most stratosphere just above the tropopause, may be recommendable both under climate and aviation aspects. This option should be considered if contrail cirrus dominates the climate impact by aviation and if the side-effects such as ozone changes are sufficiently small. The stratosphere is usu- ally dry so that formation of contrail cirrus in this region is avoided. Aviation can be performed effi- ciently at such altitudes with the potential for reduced fuel consumption and nitrogen oxides emission. The mid-latitude lower-most stratosphere appears to be only weakly sensitive to ozone changes from nitrogen oxides emitted by aircraft [3, 130]. Some authors point to the potential of ozone loss by chlo- rine activation at contrail and cirrus ice particles in the lowermost stratosphere by heterogeneous chemistry [4, 6, 133, 134]. However, high humidity in the lower-most stratosphere results from trans- port of humid tropospheric air masses into the lower stratosphere [135] containing low amounts of inorganic chlorine [54]. Three-dimensional model studies suggest ozone to be reduced by not more than a few percent from heterogeneous reactions on subvisible cirrus from all sources in the tropo- pause region and this decrease may be of comparable magnitude as ozone formation by nitrogen ox- ides emissions from commercial air traffic [133]. Since aviation causes only a small fraction of all cirrus, the contrail cirrus impact on ozone may also be small."


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Box 3B Transport times in the Northern Hemisphere
A schematic showing a latitudinal profile of the tropopause in the Northern Hemisphere and giving transport time- scales. The tropopause is typically near 9 km in altitude in polar latitudes and 16 km in equatorial regions. On any particular day at any particular longitude its position could be as shown, with a structure determined by the weather systems. The likely position of ‘jet streams’, westerly wind maxima, is indicated. The range of cruise heights for subsonic and supersonic aircraft are shown. Arrows indicate typical directions for transport of gases and time-scales for these transports are given.

When the moist, high temperature air from a jet engine mixes with the ambient cold air, saturation can occur and the moisture can condense onto particles in the atmosphere, and in particular those present in the exhaust. The result is a condensation trail, or contrail.
On about 10 - 15% of occasions in the upper troposphere in middle latitudes, the ambient air is already supersaturated with respect to ice. In supersaturated conditions contrails will persist and tend to spread. Sometimes they can spread to form or initiate a cirrus cloud, though the amount of such cirrus cloud formed by aviation is currently unknown. The extent of the contrail and cirrus cloud can be striking, those shown in the lower left corner of the plate to the left persist out over the Atlantic.
Contrails and cirrus clouds reflect some solar radiation and therefore act to cool the surface. They also absorb some upwelling thermal radiation, re-emitting it both downwards,
which acts to warm the surface, and upwards. On average the latter warming effect is thought to dominate.
 Quoting: George B


We have airplane induced cirrus clouds today in the Mid Atlantic. Bet the storms will be pretty awesome this evening. The storms are already predicted. Just been listening to the constant droning of planes and and watching the white clouds form in an otherwise blue sky. At least we get water.
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Yep, storms have been moving through constantly for a couple of days now. Very powerful storms.
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History of statospheric injection proposals . .


-- 1974: Mikhail Budyko proposed injecting sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere to cool the earth (like volcanoes)
-- Early 1990s: Edward Teller and collaborators proposed putting designer (nanotech) particles into the stratosphere to deflect sunlight
-- Teller was father of the H-bomb, principal architect of “Star Wars” Defense Initiative, and inspiration for Dr. Strangelove

-- 1992: The National Academy of Sciences issues a detailed study on geoengineering options, including a cost-benefit analysis for each option
-- 2006: Paul Crutzen (Nobel Prize winner for ozone hole) says we should consider it
-- The scope and speed of climate changes due to increasing CO2 -- coupled with the lack of any progress on mitigation
– requires sulfate aerosol geoengineering solution be seriously considered

[link to www.atmos.washington.edu]

Stratospheric Sulfur Injections
•  Designed to imitate volcano eruptions
•  Inject a sulfate aerosol precursor (such as sulfur dioxide SO2) into the stratosphere that then forms sulfuric acid solutions & eventually small particles.
•  These aerosols increase earth’s albedo by reflecting solar radiation back to space.
•  When injected really high up & if the particles remain small, they take a long time to fall out (months).
•  Cheap compared to some estimates of mitigation costs, 10-20 billion $US/year

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History of statospheric injection proposals . .


-- 1974: Mikhail Budyko proposed injecting sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere to cool the earth (like volcanoes)
-- Early 1990s: Edward Teller and collaborators proposed putting designer (nanotech) particles into the stratosphere to deflect sunlight
-- Teller was father of the H-bomb, principal architect of “Star Wars” Defense Initiative, and inspiration for Dr. Strangelove

-- 1992: The National Academy of Sciences issues a detailed study on geoengineering options, including a cost-benefit analysis for each option
-- 2006: Paul Crutzen (Nobel Prize winner for ozone hole) says we should consider it
-- The scope and speed of climate changes due to increasing CO2 -- coupled with the lack of any progress on mitigation
– requires sulfate aerosol geoengineering solution be seriously considered

[link to www.atmos.washington.edu]

Stratospheric Sulfur Injections
•  Designed to imitate volcano eruptions
•  Inject a sulfate aerosol precursor (such as sulfur dioxide SO2) into the stratosphere that then forms sulfuric acid solutions & eventually small particles.
•  These aerosols increase earth’s albedo by reflecting solar radiation back to space.
•  When injected really high up & if the particles remain small, they take a long time to fall out (months).
•  Cheap compared to some estimates of mitigation costs, 10-20 billion $US/year
 Quoting: George B


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Hey, Where is your buddy Hammer these days?!

Has he "bugged out" to his secret underground cave where he sits in a puddle of his own urine...while rocking back and forth...sucking his thumb...waiting for the end?

Pathetic...
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. 

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Re: New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. 

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


bumpbumpbump Best information on topic!
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Re: New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????
---------
  
Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. 

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
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Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

Third time's the charm . .  . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.spacenews.com]

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[link to www.spacenews.com]

 
Fri, 4 March, 2011
Taurus Rocket Fairing Glitch Dooms NASA’s Glory Mission
By Turner Brinton


NASA's Glory climate-monitoring satellite
Enlarge Image
Updated at 1:13pm

WASHINGTON — NASA’s $424 million Glory climate observation satellite was lost in a March 4 launch attempt from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., after the shroud designed to protect the spacecraft during its climb to orbit atop a Taurus XL rocket failed to separate, agency officials said.

The Taurus XL, built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., was making its return to flight two years after a similar fairing problem destroyed NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite. After replacing the fairing-separation mechanism thought to be the culprit in the OCO launch failure, the government-industry team believed the Glory launch had “an acceptable level of risk,” Rich Straka, Orbital’s deputy general manager for launch operations, said during a March 4 press conference at Vandenberg.


After an extensive investigation of the OCO launch failure, a decision was made to replace the Taurus XL’s fairing-separation mechanism, a combustion system designed to create hot gas that pushes the pistons that eject the two halves of the nose cone, said Ron Grabe, the executive vice president and general manager for Orbital’s launch systems group. It was replaced by a system that uses a bottle of cold, pressurized nitrogen to drive the pistons, he said. The cold gas system was successfully used in all three launches of the Orbital-built Minotaur 4 rocket last year, he said.


Meanwhile, Orbital is building an OCO replacement for NASA and in June was awarded a $70 million contract to launch the satellite on a Taurus XL. Depending on the findings of Glory’s Mishap Investigation Board, the agency may have to change that plan, said Michael Luther, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.

Last Edited by George B on 08/01/2012 05:56 PM
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bumpbumpbump Best information on topic!
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Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!!!!!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

Third time's the charm . .  . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.spacenews.com]

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[link to www.spacenews.com]

 
Fri, 4 March, 2011
Taurus Rocket Fairing Glitch Dooms NASA’s Glory Mission
By Turner Brinton


NASA's Glory climate-monitoring satellite
Enlarge Image
Updated at 1:13pm

WASHINGTON — NASA’s $424 million Glory climate observation satellite was lost in a March 4 launch attempt from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., after the shroud designed to protect the spacecraft during its climb to orbit atop a Taurus XL rocket failed to separate, agency officials said.

The Taurus XL, built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., was making its return to flight two years after a similar fairing problem destroyed NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite. After replacing the fairing-separation mechanism thought to be the culprit in the OCO launch failure, the government-industry team believed the Glory launch had “an acceptable level of risk,” Rich Straka, Orbital’s deputy general manager for launch operations, said during a March 4 press conference at Vandenberg.


After an extensive investigation of the OCO launch failure, a decision was made to replace the Taurus XL’s fairing-separation mechanism, a combustion system designed to create hot gas that pushes the pistons that eject the two halves of the nose cone, said Ron Grabe, the executive vice president and general manager for Orbital’s launch systems group. It was replaced by a system that uses a bottle of cold, pressurized nitrogen to drive the pistons, he said. The cold gas system was successfully used in all three launches of the Orbital-built Minotaur 4 rocket last year, he said.


Meanwhile, Orbital is building an OCO replacement for NASA and in June was awarded a $70 million contract to launch the satellite on a Taurus XL. Depending on the findings of Glory’s Mishap Investigation Board, the agency may have to change that plan, said Michael Luther, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.
 Quoting: George B



So?
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Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

Third time's the charm . .  . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.spacenews.com]

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[link to www.spacenews.com]

 
Fri, 4 March, 2011
Taurus Rocket Fairing Glitch Dooms NASA’s Glory Mission
By Turner Brinton


NASA's Glory climate-monitoring satellite
Enlarge Image
Updated at 1:13pm

WASHINGTON — NASA’s $424 million Glory climate observation satellite was lost in a March 4 launch attempt from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., after the shroud designed to protect the spacecraft during its climb to orbit atop a Taurus XL rocket failed to separate, agency officials said.

The Taurus XL, built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., was making its return to flight two years after a similar fairing problem destroyed NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite. After replacing the fairing-separation mechanism thought to be the culprit in the OCO launch failure, the government-industry team believed the Glory launch had “an acceptable level of risk,” Rich Straka, Orbital’s deputy general manager for launch operations, said during a March 4 press conference at Vandenberg.


After an extensive investigation of the OCO launch failure, a decision was made to replace the Taurus XL’s fairing-separation mechanism, a combustion system designed to create hot gas that pushes the pistons that eject the two halves of the nose cone, said Ron Grabe, the executive vice president and general manager for Orbital’s launch systems group. It was replaced by a system that uses a bottle of cold, pressurized nitrogen to drive the pistons, he said. The cold gas system was successfully used in all three launches of the Orbital-built Minotaur 4 rocket last year, he said.


Meanwhile, Orbital is building an OCO replacement for NASA and in June was awarded a $70 million contract to launch the satellite on a Taurus XL. Depending on the findings of Glory’s Mishap Investigation Board, the agency may have to change that plan, said Michael Luther, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.
 Quoting: George B



So?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465

Just a coincidence . . . if you choose to believe there is no connection . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

Third time's the charm . .  . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.spacenews.com]

-------------

[link to www.spacenews.com]

 
Fri, 4 March, 2011
Taurus Rocket Fairing Glitch Dooms NASA’s Glory Mission
By Turner Brinton


NASA's Glory climate-monitoring satellite
Enlarge Image
Updated at 1:13pm

WASHINGTON — NASA’s $424 million Glory climate observation satellite was lost in a March 4 launch attempt from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., after the shroud designed to protect the spacecraft during its climb to orbit atop a Taurus XL rocket failed to separate, agency officials said.

The Taurus XL, built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., was making its return to flight two years after a similar fairing problem destroyed NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite. After replacing the fairing-separation mechanism thought to be the culprit in the OCO launch failure, the government-industry team believed the Glory launch had “an acceptable level of risk,” Rich Straka, Orbital’s deputy general manager for launch operations, said during a March 4 press conference at Vandenberg.


After an extensive investigation of the OCO launch failure, a decision was made to replace the Taurus XL’s fairing-separation mechanism, a combustion system designed to create hot gas that pushes the pistons that eject the two halves of the nose cone, said Ron Grabe, the executive vice president and general manager for Orbital’s launch systems group. It was replaced by a system that uses a bottle of cold, pressurized nitrogen to drive the pistons, he said. The cold gas system was successfully used in all three launches of the Orbital-built Minotaur 4 rocket last year, he said.


Meanwhile, Orbital is building an OCO replacement for NASA and in June was awarded a $70 million contract to launch the satellite on a Taurus XL. Depending on the findings of Glory’s Mishap Investigation Board, the agency may have to change that plan, said Michael Luther, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.
 Quoting: George B



So?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465

Just a coincidence . . . if you choose to believe there is no connection . . .
 Quoting: George B


I see no reason to believe otherwise.
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Here are some more reasons . . .


Some interesting evidence of the low probability of launch failures of both of the  rockets and the satellites that were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!
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Second Quarter 2009 Launch Report 1

The Second Quarter 2009 Quarterly Launch Report features launch results from the first quarter of 2009
( January - March 2009)  

Figure 13 shows orbital and commercial suborbital launch successes vs. failures for the period from January 2009 to March 2009. 

Partially-successful orbital launch events are those where the launch vehicle fails to deploy its payload to the appropriate orbit, but the payload is able to reach a useable orbit via its own propulsion systems. Cases in which the payload does not reach a useable orbit or would use all of its fuel to do so are considered 
failures.

-----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ...

Figure 13: First Quarter 2009 Launch Successes vs.
Failures
Failure 6% (1)
Success 94% (15)
Total = 16

[link to www.faa.gov]

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[link to www.faa.gov]


Launch Successes vs. Failures
Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: April 2011 - September 2011
Failure 7% (3)
Success 93% (42)

 
-----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ...

Semi-Annual Launch Report Second Half of Fiscal  Year 2011

Figure 9 shows orbital launch successes and failures from April 2011 through September 2011. 

From April 2011 to September 2011 there were three launch failures.  From September 2010 to April 2011 there were four launch failures.  

Total = 45 launches 

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Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010

[link to www.faa.gov]

Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010
Failure 0% (0)
Total = 33
Success 100% (33)

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Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010

[link to www.faa.gov]

Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010

Total 33
no failures
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Lol...a conspiracy within a conspiracy!!!

How terrible it must be for you to live in such an evil world...

It's not like any other missions have failed....

And whenever they do fail...it must be part of some plot...

You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17975050

Third time's the charm . .  . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

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Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

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Fri, 4 March, 2011
Taurus Rocket Fairing Glitch Dooms NASA’s Glory Mission
By Turner Brinton


NASA's Glory climate-monitoring satellite
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WASHINGTON — NASA’s $424 million Glory climate observation satellite was lost in a March 4 launch attempt from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., after the shroud designed to protect the spacecraft during its climb to orbit atop a Taurus XL rocket failed to separate, agency officials said.

The Taurus XL, built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., was making its return to flight two years after a similar fairing problem destroyed NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite. After replacing the fairing-separation mechanism thought to be the culprit in the OCO launch failure, the government-industry team believed the Glory launch had “an acceptable level of risk,” Rich Straka, Orbital’s deputy general manager for launch operations, said during a March 4 press conference at Vandenberg.


After an extensive investigation of the OCO launch failure, a decision was made to replace the Taurus XL’s fairing-separation mechanism, a combustion system designed to create hot gas that pushes the pistons that eject the two halves of the nose cone, said Ron Grabe, the executive vice president and general manager for Orbital’s launch systems group. It was replaced by a system that uses a bottle of cold, pressurized nitrogen to drive the pistons, he said. The cold gas system was successfully used in all three launches of the Orbital-built Minotaur 4 rocket last year, he said.


Meanwhile, Orbital is building an OCO replacement for NASA and in June was awarded a $70 million contract to launch the satellite on a Taurus XL. Depending on the findings of Glory’s Mishap Investigation Board, the agency may have to change that plan, said Michael Luther, deputy associate administrator for programs in NASA’s Science Mission Directorate.
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I agree with the 3rd times a charm theory.
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Thanks Vt . . .!!! Hope all is well . . . Good Night. . . hf
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from original topic: Thread: Maybe this is the evidence you were looking for...
Thread: A false flag EMP attack or a super solar blast??? The truth lies within

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My guess . . . it is a planet . . . possibly Venus . . . the morning star . . . when a digital camera focuses at the extreme end of its capability . . . algorithms take over and fill in details that are really not there. . . when you see a pattern over an entire object good chance that is what has happened . . . possibly JPEG compression artifacts . . .my guess. . .
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Why do people believe in conspiracies and specifically chemtrails?

 1) Our history,  literature, legends, entertainment, even our religions are replete with conspiracies . . . 

2) Remember . . . Where more than two people are gathered . . .  a conspiracy exists . . . LoL!!!

3) The world is obviously changing . . . instant communication, population density, technology, number and frequency of aircraft . . . and therefore, the greater chance to see persistent trails in the sky . . . and no one has convinced believers these trails cannot be chemtrails . . . 

4) Trust of authority and their motives are at an all time low . . . i.e. "Just one in 10 Americans approves of the job Congress is doing, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday, tying the branch's lowest approval rating in 38 years. Congress originally hit the 10 percent mark in February, before bouncing back several points."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

5) Constant, heated and contentious debate exists over the state of global warming, global dimming, ozone depletion, and whether people are the major cause of a deteriorating climate and environment . . . or not. . .  scientists have effectively disenfranchised their credibility from much of the public . . . 

6) Atmospheric science is a complex and dynamic science . . . with infinite variability and unlimited sources of contamination, natural as well as man made  . . . 

7) In my opinion, when people were encouraged to observe the sky because of the chemtrail conspiracy . . . there was a significant realization . . . there was  much more to see than people thought . . . I believe some people had a primeval moment  . . . the sky was always the source of foreboding and early warning . . . Storm clouds, smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms, migrating fowl and seasonal changes . . . the sky is our crystal ball !!!!

8) Right or wrong . . . the conspiracy has a life of its own . . . no amount of argument or scientific theory will likely remove those who believe . . .   from their conspiracy  . . . because of their  distrust of scientists, authority, primeval foreboding, and knowledge, experience and belief in conspiracies. 

9) So debunkers by implying that those who believe in chemtrails are defective loons, stupid and uneducated is counter productive . . . the believers may well be the most honest and tuned-in group out there . . . you just don't understand them . . .  shitstir2

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Thanks for all your votes.. . !!!!

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POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.7% (946)
No, I do not . . .   23.4% (603)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.1% (466)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.3% (265)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (143)
Blank (View Results) (465)

Non-Blank Votes: 2578
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Why do people believe in conspiracies and specifically chemtrails?

 1) Our history,  literature, legends, entertainment, even our religions are replete with conspiracies . . . 

2) Remember . . . Where more than two people are gathered . . .  a conspiracy exists . . . LoL!!!

3) The world is obviously changing . . . instant communication, population density, technology, number and frequency of aircraft . . . and therefore, the greater chance to see persistent trails in the sky . . . and no one has convinced believers these trails cannot be chemtrails . . . 

4) Trust of authority and their motives are at an all time low . . . i.e. "Just one in 10 Americans approves of the job Congress is doing, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday, tying the branch's lowest approval rating in 38 years. Congress originally hit the 10 percent mark in February, before bouncing back several points."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

5) Constant, heated and contentious debate exists over the state of global warming, global dimming, ozone depletion, and whether people are the major cause of a deteriorating climate and environment . . . or not. . .  scientists have effectively disenfranchised their credibility from much of the public . . . 

6) Atmospheric science is a complex and dynamic science . . . with infinite variability and unlimited sources of contamination, natural as well as man made  . . . 

7) In my opinion, when people were encouraged to observe the sky because of the chemtrail conspiracy . . . there was a significant realization . . . there was  much more to see than people thought . . . I believe some people had a primeval moment  . . . the sky was always the source of foreboding and early warning . . . Storm clouds, smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms, migrating fowl and seasonal changes . . . the sky is our crystal ball !!!!

8) Right or wrong . . . the conspiracy has a life of its own . . . no amount of argument or scientific theory will likely remove those who believe . . .   from their conspiracy  . . . because of their  distrust of scientists, authority, primeval foreboding, and knowledge, experience and belief in conspiracies. 

9) So debunkers by implying that those who believe in chemtrails are defective loons, stupid and uneducated is counter productive . . . the believers may well be the most honest and tuned-in group out there . . . you just don't understand them . . .  shitstir2
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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
1. No, I do not . . .
2. Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.
3. Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .
4. Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.
5. Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines
6. Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas


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1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols.  This dip (see below) was caused  by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late  1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . . 


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

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14. D. J. Hofmann, J. Barnes, M. O’Neill, M. Trudeau, R.Neely, Geophys. Res. Lett. 36, L15808,


GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 36, L15808, 5 PP., 2009
doi:10.1029/2009GL039008

Increase in background stratospheric aerosol observed with lidar at Mauna Loa Observatory and Boulder, Colorado

David Hofmann
Earth System Research Laboratory, NOAA, Boulder, Colorado, USA

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1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols.  This dip (see below) was caused  by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late  1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . . 


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

[link to data.giss.nasa.gov] [/EX]

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14. D. J. Hofmann, J. Barnes, M. O’Neill, M. Trudeau, R.Neely, Geophys. Res. Lett. 36, L15808,


GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 36, L15808, 5 PP., 2009
doi:10.1029/2009GL039008

Increase in background stratospheric aerosol observed with lidar at Mauna Loa Observatory and Boulder, Colorado

David Hofmann
Earth System Research Laboratory, NOAA, Boulder, Colorado, USA

[link to www.agu.org]

coffee4
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Hey, Where is your buddy Hammer these days?!

Has he "bugged out" to his secret underground cave where he sits in a puddle of his own urine...while rocking back and forth...sucking his thumb...waiting for the end?

Pathetic...
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Im here..And ready..I suggest you get ready..Not much time left..
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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Thanks Hammer hf
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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Thanks Hammer hf
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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Nice yo see you agin hammer!!!! ohyeahAre you in upstate NY???coffee4
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