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New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

 
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POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.7% (946)
No, I do not . . .   23.4% (603)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.1% (466)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.3% (265)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (143)
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 Quoting: George B


POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.7% (952)
No, I do not . . .   23.4% (606)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.1% (469)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.3% (266)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (143)
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Non-Blank Votes: 2591

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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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Nice yo see you agin hammer!!!! ohyeahAre you in upstate NY???coffee4
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Yes George..Western NY..Why they call this area Upstate is beyond me,but they do..Listen up George,the whole world is in chaos..They have stopped Chemtrailing this area,Not even one episode in 6 months!..The purpose of Chemtrails is to control the weather,by dimming the Sun..They know what they are doing George..There is a direct correlation of this being the hottest,driest Summer and the absence of Chemtrails..
The Earth is warming real fast and the PTB know it,I hate to say this but maybe Chemtrailing was not a bad idea,however the stuff they use are poisons!!..For some reason they have stopped,and by doing so,this has led to severe droughts and crop failures..Is this what they want??..To create a food shortage??..Remember,many Country's depend on our food exports,if they cant get it there will be food riots overseas..Not good..
That coupled with the explosive situation in the mid-east,spells disaster!..
Keep your eyes to the sky,there are more near earth objects heading this way..There is one that has the Earth as its bulls eye..The scenario is being played out,just as I was told..Stay safe and be prepared..
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
 Quoting: The Hammer


Nice yo see you agin hammer!!!! ohyeahAre you in upstate NY???coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yes George..Western NY..Why they call this area Upstate is beyond me,but they do..Listen up George,the whole world is in chaos..They have stopped Chemtrailing this area,Not even one episode in 6 months!..The purpose of Chemtrails is to control the weather,by dimming the Sun..They know what they are doing George..There is a direct correlation of this being the hottest,driest Summer and the absence of Chemtrails..
The Earth is warming real fast and the PTB know it,I hate to say this but maybe Chemtrailing was not a bad idea,however the stuff they use are poisons!!..For some reason they have stopped,and by doing so,this has led to severe droughts and crop failures..Is this what they want??..To create a food shortage??..Remember,many Country's depend on our food exports,if they cant get it there will be food riots overseas..Not good..
That coupled with the explosive situation in the mid-east,spells disaster!..
Keep your eyes to the sky,there are more near earth objects heading this way..There is one that has the Earth as its bulls eye..The scenario is being played out,just as I was told..Stay safe and be prepared..
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Have you had any more contacts with your friends from the Navy??peace
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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No Chemtrails here for 6 months George!!..Nothing!!..Blue skies,no rain and the hottest summer ever!!..The crops have failed!!..They have stopped the global dimming!!..All attention is being concentrated on the Middle East..Keep watch..
Plenty of near earth objects being spotted every day,with only a few days notice as they approach and graze this Planet..There are many more to come,most unknown yet,but there are some the government knows about and are not saying..Earth is a bulls eye!!..It is one year,not much time left!!..Chemtrails are real George,they have managed to control the weather,but they can not control whats about to happen!!..Stay safe George..Heed my warnings..My contacts are dead on!!..
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Nice yo see you agin hammer!!!! ohyeahAre you in upstate NY???coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yes George..Western NY..Why they call this area Upstate is beyond me,but they do..Listen up George,the whole world is in chaos..They have stopped Chemtrailing this area,Not even one episode in 6 months!..The purpose of Chemtrails is to control the weather,by dimming the Sun..They know what they are doing George..There is a direct correlation of this being the hottest,driest Summer and the absence of Chemtrails..
The Earth is warming real fast and the PTB know it,I hate to say this but maybe Chemtrailing was not a bad idea,however the stuff they use are poisons!!..For some reason they have stopped,and by doing so,this has led to severe droughts and crop failures..Is this what they want??..To create a food shortage??..Remember,many Country's depend on our food exports,if they cant get it there will be food riots overseas..Not good..
That coupled with the explosive situation in the mid-east,spells disaster!..
Keep your eyes to the sky,there are more near earth objects heading this way..There is one that has the Earth as its bulls eye..The scenario is being played out,just as I was told..Stay safe and be prepared..
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I came upon this study and find it interesting . . . the research indicates that Cirrus Cloud reductions (through a type of high tropospheric cloud seeding) could result in slowing global warming and that commercial aviation could be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish such geoengineering without much of the side effects of sulfur injection for example . . . the amount of cloud seeding material would be small in comparison to the sulfur injected into the stratosphere . . . coffee4



Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming


David L Mitchell and WilliamFinnegan
Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV89512-1095, USA
E-mail: david.mitchell@dri.edu
Received 1 April 2009
Accepted 12 August 2009
Published 30 October 2009




Abstract. Greenhouse gases and cirrus clouds regulate outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and cirrus cloud coverage is predicted to be sensitive to the ice fall speed which depends on ice crystal size. The higher the cirrus, the greater their impact is on OLR. Thus by changing ice crystal size in the coldest cirrus, OLR and climate might be modified. Fortunately the coldest cirrus have the highest ice supersaturation due to the dominance of homogeneous freezing nucleation. Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling. Preliminary estimates of this global net cloud forcing are more negative than–2.8 W m–2 and could neutralize the radiative forcing due to a CO2 doubling (3.7 W m–2). A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry. Since seeding aerosol residence times in the troposphere are relatively short, the climate might return to its normal state within months after stopping the geoengineering experiment. The main known drawback to this approach is that it would not stop ocean acidification. It does not have many of the drawbacks that stratospheric injection of sulfur species has.


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Thanks for all your votes.. . !!!!

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POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.7% (946)
No, I do not . . .   23.4% (603)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.1% (466)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.3% (265)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (143)
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Non-Blank Votes: 2578
 Quoting: George B


POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   36.7% (952)
No, I do not . . .   23.4% (606)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.1% (469)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   10.3% (266)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   6.0% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.5% (143)
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Non-Blank Votes: 2591

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POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . . 36.8% (957)
No, I do not . . . 23.4% (608)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas 18.1% (471)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc. 10.3% (267)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines 6.0% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc. 5.5% (143)
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Non-Blank Votes: 2601
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I came upon this study and find it interesting . . . the research indicates that Cirrus Cloud reductions (through a type of high tropospheric cloud seeding) could result in slowing global warming and that commercial aviation could be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish such geoengineering without much of the side effects of sulfur injection for example . . . the amount of cloud seeding material would be small in comparison to the sulfur injected into the stratosphere . . . coffee4



Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming


David L Mitchell and WilliamFinnegan
Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV89512-1095, USA
E-mail: david.mitchell@dri.edu
Received 1 April 2009
Accepted 12 August 2009
Published 30 October 2009




Abstract. Greenhouse gases and cirrus clouds regulate outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and cirrus cloud coverage is predicted to be sensitive to the ice fall speed which depends on ice crystal size. The higher the cirrus, the greater their impact is on OLR. Thus by changing ice crystal size in the coldest cirrus, OLR and climate might be modified. Fortunately the coldest cirrus have the highest ice supersaturation due to the dominance of homogeneous freezing nucleation. Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling. Preliminary estimates of this global net cloud forcing are more negative than–2.8 W m–2 and could neutralize the radiative forcing due to a CO2 doubling (3.7 W m–2). A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry. Since seeding aerosol residence times in the troposphere are relatively short, the climate might return to its normal state within months after stopping the geoengineering experiment. The main known drawback to this approach is that it would not stop ocean acidification. It does not have many of the drawbacks that stratospheric injection of sulfur species has.


[link to iopscience.iop.org]
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Thanks for the new post, George. Glad to see you back. The spraying of chem trails is getting worse in my area. Going out of town tomorrow and sure that it's going to be just as bad where I'm headed. Kinda comparing the locations now.

Would like to understand more about the affects on the acidification of the oceans. I need a re read.

Take care. hf
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I came upon this study and find it interesting . . . the research indicates that Cirrus Cloud reductions (through a type of high tropospheric cloud seeding) could result in slowing global warming and that commercial aviation could be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish such geoengineering without much of the side effects of sulfur injection for example . . . the amount of cloud seeding material would be small in comparison to the sulfur injected into the stratosphere . . . coffee4



Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming


David L Mitchell and WilliamFinnegan
Desert Research Institute, Reno, NV89512-1095, USA
E-mail: david.mitchell@dri.edu
Received 1 April 2009
Accepted 12 August 2009
Published 30 October 2009




Abstract. Greenhouse gases and cirrus clouds regulate outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and cirrus cloud coverage is predicted to be sensitive to the ice fall speed which depends on ice crystal size. The higher the cirrus, the greater their impact is on OLR. Thus by changing ice crystal size in the coldest cirrus, OLR and climate might be modified. Fortunately the coldest cirrus have the highest ice supersaturation due to the dominance of homogeneous freezing nucleation. Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling. Preliminary estimates of this global net cloud forcing are more negative than–2.8 W m–2 and could neutralize the radiative forcing due to a CO2 doubling (3.7 W m–2). A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry. Since seeding aerosol residence times in the troposphere are relatively short, the climate might return to its normal state within months after stopping the geoengineering experiment. The main known drawback to this approach is that it would not stop ocean acidification. It does not have many of the drawbacks that stratospheric injection of sulfur species has.


[link to iopscience.iop.org]
 Quoting: George B


Thanks for the new post, George. Glad to see you back. The spraying of chem trails is getting worse in my area. Going out of town tomorrow and sure that it's going to be just as bad where I'm headed. Kinda comparing the locations now.

Would like to understand more about the affects on the acidification of the oceans. I need a re read.

Take care. hf
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Take care . . . I need to understand the acidification issue as well . . .coffee4
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Ocean acidification is the name given to the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans, caused by the uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere.[1] About 30-40% of the carbon dioxide released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into the oceans, rivers and lakes [2][3]. To maintain chemical equilibrium, some of it reacts with the water to form carbonic acid. Some of these extra carbonic acid molecules split up to give a carbonate ion and two hydrogen ions, thus increasing the ocean’s "acidity" (H+ ion concentration). This increasing acidity is thought to have a range of direct undesirable consequences such as depressing metabolic rates in jumbo squid[4] and depressing the immune responses of blue mussels[5]. (These chemical reactions also happen in the atmosphere, and as about 20% of anthropogenic CO2 emissions are absorbed by the terrestrial biosphere[3], also in the ground soils between absorbed CO2 and soil moisture. Thus anthropogenic CO2 emissions to the atmosphere can increase the acidity of land, sea and air.)

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Ocean acidification is the name given to the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans, caused by the uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere.[1] About 30-40% of the carbon dioxide released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into the oceans, rivers and lakes [2][3]. To maintain chemical equilibrium, some of it reacts with the water to form carbonic acid. Some of these extra carbonic acid molecules split up to give a carbonate ion and two hydrogen ions, thus increasing the ocean’s "acidity" (H+ ion concentration). This increasing acidity is thought to have a range of direct undesirable consequences such as depressing metabolic rates in jumbo squid[4] and depressing the immune responses of blue mussels[5]. (These chemical reactions also happen in the atmosphere, and as about 20% of anthropogenic CO2 emissions are absorbed by the terrestrial biosphere[3], also in the ground soils between absorbed CO2 and soil moisture. Thus anthropogenic CO2 emissions to the atmosphere can increase the acidity of land, sea and air.)
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I have not kept it a secret that I think most if not all persistent trails we see in the sky are persistent exhaust from aviation not a covert aerosol injection project . . . however, I do understand how people can feel differently . . .

1) I agree the government should be watched . . . that they are capable of doing some stupid things in secret which they thought were expedient at the time . . .

The events which brought chemtrails to the public may have been a mistake; however, it retains traction for some reason . . . one of the reasons is a distrust of "Them" what are in charge . . .

Another reason is the lack of progress in the mitigation of persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks . . . I suggest a rational policy would be . . . make progress in that direction as soon as possible for several logical reasons . . . one of which is to remove suspicion from the government and aviation in general . . .

2) One reason I think a massive covert program doesn't exists managed by the aviation industry is . . . if I were trying to remain secret, I would not call attention to my self by spraying visible persistent trails all over the skies . . . and usually near the highest density population centers at that . . . a guarantee I would be discovered. . . shitstir2
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I have not kept it a secret that I think most if not all persistent trails we see in the sky are persistent exhaust from aviation not a covert aerosol injection project . . . however, I do understand how people can feel differently . . .

1) I agree the government should be watched . . . that they are capable of doing some stupid things in secret which they thought were expedient at the time . . .

The events which brought chemtrails to the public may have been a mistake; however, it retains traction for some reason . . . one of the reasons is a distrust of "Them" what are in charge . . .

Another reason is the lack of progress in the mitigation of persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks . . . I suggest a rational policy would be . . . make progress in that direction as soon as possible for several logical reasons . . . one of which is to remove suspicion from the government and aviation in general . . .

2) One reason I think a massive covert program doesn't exists managed by the aviation industry is . . . if I were trying to remain secret, I would not call attention to my self by spraying visible persistent trails all over the skies . . . and usually near the highest density population centers at that . . . a guarantee I would be discovered. . . shitstir2
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But still, believing it..and claiming it to be fact while arguing against those who are only pointing out that it ISN'T a fact, are two completely different things.
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Here is a good quote I want to keep . . .

"For more than two decades testing continued — not just in Maryland laboratories, but in ventilation systems in Washington, D.C., on the streets of St. Louis, on the shores of San Francisco Bay, and in the desert of Utah. The most conclusive tests took place in 1965 near a Pacific atoll called Johnston, when a single military plane sprayed a long line of germs that cause a deadly disease, tularemia. “These field tests demonstrated beyond any shadow of a doubt the feasibility of biological warfare,” says Bill Patrick, former chief of product development at Detrick. “We infected animals some sixty, seventy kilometers downwind from the point of spray. And that is why we know that one particular agent, when properly stabilized and properly disseminated is a very effective weapon system.”

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Chemtrails have been around since the conception of jet engines, so I don't see any way any of these theories hold water.

Jet engines all over the world, including private, all produce chemtrails. You're going to try and tell me someone has their hand in ALL of those chemtrail producing aircraft? No sorry your chemtrails are full of shit and you're completely fucking brain dead if you take this babble seriously.
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Chemtrails have been around since the conception of jet engines, so I don't see any way any of these theories hold water.

Jet engines all over the world, including private, all produce chemtrails. You're going to try and tell me someone has their hand in ALL of those chemtrail producing aircraft? No sorry your chemtrails are full of shit and you're completely fucking brain dead if you take this babble seriously.
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I never said contrails were chemtrails . . . I never said chemtrails were visible at all . . . that is your conclusion . . . coffee4

I have not kept it a secret that I think most if not all persistent trails we see in the sky are persistent exhaust from aviation not a covert aerosol injection project . . . however, I do understand how people can feel differently . . .

1) I agree the government should be watched . . . that they are capable of doing some stupid things in secret which they thought were expedient at the time . . .

The events which brought chemtrails to the public may have been a mistake; however, it retains traction for some reason . . . one of the reasons is a distrust of "Them" what are in charge . . .

Another reason is the lack of progress in the mitigation of persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks . . . I suggest a rational policy would be . . . make progress in that direction as soon as possible for several logical reasons . . . one of which is to remove suspicion from the government and aviation in general . . .

2) One reason I think a massive covert program doesn't exists managed by the aviation industry is . . . if I were trying to remain secret, I would not call attention to my self by spraying visible persistent trails all over the skies . . . and usually near the highest density population centers at that . . . a guarantee I would be discovered. . .

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POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . . 37.0% (971)
No, I do not . . . 23.4% (615)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas 18.0% (473)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc. 10.2% (267)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines 5.9% (155)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc. 5.4% (143)
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Non-Blank Votes: 2624
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Good article on geoengineering cost analysis, etc for sulfur injection . . .

Geoengineering Could Be Essential to Reducing the Risk of Climate Change

Using technology to cool the planet may be the only way to deal with the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere, argues scientist David Keith.

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Keith and some of his colleagues recently hired engineers to estimate how much one approach to sulfate injection might work, and how much it might cost. It could be done at first with existing airplanes—certain business jets can fly high enough to inject the particles into the upper atmosphere. Eventually we would need new planes that can fly higher. All in all, once the procedure is scaled up it would cost about a billion dollars a year and require about 100 aircraft. That’s cheap enough for most countries to pull off on their own.

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Good article on geoengineering cost analysis, etc for sulfur injection . . .

Geoengineering Could Be Essential to Reducing the Risk of Climate Change

Using technology to cool the planet may be the only way to deal with the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere, argues scientist David Keith.

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Keith and some of his colleagues recently hired engineers to estimate how much one approach to sulfate injection might work, and how much it might cost. It could be done at first with existing airplanes—certain business jets can fly high enough to inject the particles into the upper atmosphere. Eventually we would need new planes that can fly higher. All in all, once the procedure is scaled up it would cost about a billion dollars a year and require about 100 aircraft. That’s cheap enough for most countries to pull off on their own.
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Chemtrails go WAY FURTHER than geoengineering.. check out Man2011ism youtube channel. he has it covered...

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yes i have seen them too
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Cost Analysis Final Report
Prepared Under Contract to The University Of Calgary
Contract Number: __UC01-001______
Aurora Report Number: ____AR10-182__ October 30, 2010

[link to www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org]

2 Geoengineering Concept of Operations
This study focuses on airplane and airship operations to the stratosphere to release a geoengineering payload with the goal of reducing incoming solar flux. Airships are also considered for this mission. To provide a comparison to conventional aircraft opera- tions, more exotic concepts such as rockets, guns, and suspended pipes are also ex- amined.

For maximum cooling impact, the particulate payloads are best placed near the equator. This study assumes that the payload is released within latitudes 30°N and 30°S, though North-South basing location had minimal effect on cost. Transit operations, flying East- West between equally spaced bases around the equator, were examined as a method to ensure adequate dispersal of the payload around the equator. Global winds aid in East-West dispersal so a smaller number of bases and shorter range systems (referred to as Regional operations) can be employed with minimal impact on dispersal. Region- al operations allow the dispersal leg length to be dictated by the desired release rate of 0.03kg/m flown. This means the airplanes fly no further than they have to, on the order of 300-800 km, and fuel costs are minimized. Transit operations are not economical as the leg length is dictated by the distance between bases (for 8-base operations, legs are approximately 5,000 km) causing release rates to be low and fuel costs to be high.

A comparison of regional and transit operations utilizing Boeing 747s (at its service ceiling of 45,000 feet) is as follows:

x Regional: 747s operating regionally from multiple bases
o 14 airplanes, payload dispersed over 1,500 km cruise leg at a rate of
0.036 kg/m flown
o $0.8B for acquisition and $1B for one year of operations o 0.66M tonnes fuel burned per year

x Transit: 747s transiting from 8 bases
o 24 airplanes, payload dispersed over 5,000 km cruise leg at a rate of
0.012 kg/m flown
o $1.4 B for acquisition and $2.8B for one year of operations o 1.6M tonnes fuel burned per year

x Transit: 747s transiting from 4 bases
o 48 airplanes, payload dispersed over 11,000 km cruise leg at a rate of
0.005 kg/m flown
o $2.8B for acquisition and $4.5B for one year of operations o 3.24M tonnes fuel burned per year

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They were spraying chemtrails today in northern Vt.
It was already very cloudy. Wonder why chemtrails are being sprayed before the storm? None of it makes sense.
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They were spraying chemtrails today in northern Vt.
It was already very cloudy. Wonder why chemtrails are being sprayed before the storm? None of it makes sense.
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Hi Vt nice to see you!!!!

:144:
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They were spraying chemtrails today in northern Vt.
It was already very cloudy. Wonder why chemtrails are being sprayed before the storm? None of it makes sense.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


Hi Vt nice to see you!!!!

:144:
 Quoting: George B


Hey George, nice to see you too! smile_hear
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They were spraying chemtrails today in northern Vt.
It was already very cloudy. Wonder why chemtrails are being sprayed before the storm? None of it makes sense.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


Hi Vt nice to see you!!!!

:144:
 Quoting: George B


Hey George, nice to see you too! smile_hear
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


You ready for the big storm?hiding2
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They were spraying chemtrails today in northern Vt.
It was already very cloudy. Wonder why chemtrails are being sprayed before the storm? None of it makes sense.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


Hi Vt nice to see you!!!!

:144:
 Quoting: George B


Hey George, nice to see you too! smile_hear
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


You ready for the big storm?hiding2
 Quoting: George B


We are suppose to get high winds, some rain. I don't think that there are any batteries left to buy in Vt. HAHa..

I was surprised to see the chemtrails today though.
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Hi Vt nice to see you!!!!

:144:
 Quoting: George B


Hey George, nice to see you too! smile_hear
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


You ready for the big storm?hiding2
 Quoting: George B


We are suppose to get high winds, some rain. I don't think that there are any batteries left to buy in Vt. HAHa..

I was surprised to see the chemtrails today though.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


The air in front of major storm fronts are usually full of moisture at high altitudes . . .so almost anything that flies above 30,000 feet will leave a trail . . . whether it contains foreign substances or not . . .
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Hey George, nice to see you too! smile_hear
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


You ready for the big storm?hiding2
 Quoting: George B


We are suppose to get high winds, some rain. I don't think that there are any batteries left to buy in Vt. HAHa..

I was surprised to see the chemtrails today though.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


The air in front of major storm fronts are usually full of moisture at high altitudes . . .so almost anything that flies above 30,000 feet will leave a trail . . . whether it contains foreign substances or not . . .
 Quoting: George B


Some of the chemtrails started out like the black line trails and then spread out.
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You ready for the big storm?hiding2
 Quoting: George B


We are suppose to get high winds, some rain. I don't think that there are any batteries left to buy in Vt. HAHa..

I was surprised to see the chemtrails today though.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


The air in front of major storm fronts are usually full of moisture at high altitudes . . .so almost anything that flies above 30,000 feet will leave a trail . . . whether it contains foreign substances or not . . .
 Quoting: George B


Some of the chemtrails started out like the black line trails and then spread out.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318

By-the-way when was the last time you went to NC???ohyeah
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We are suppose to get high winds, some rain. I don't think that there are any batteries left to buy in Vt. HAHa..

I was surprised to see the chemtrails today though.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318


The air in front of major storm fronts are usually full of moisture at high altitudes . . .so almost anything that flies above 30,000 feet will leave a trail . . . whether it contains foreign substances or not . . .
 Quoting: George B


Some of the chemtrails started out like the black line trails and then spread out.
 Quoting: vtcw 26504318

By-the-way when was the last time you went to NC???ohyeah
 Quoting: George B


I was in NC in May for my daughters graduation from Grad school. She moved to Texas and found a decent job there at one of the Universities.

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