New Chemtrail Poll: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

3. Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .

This a strong belief by many . . .

George,
Don't forget the Menow? and maxxe1965 UserID's noble uses. :)

George B,
After doing a half dozen or so ADC Chemtrail runs over Chicagoland in the last few years I think there has been a change in technique. I have seen the re-engineered large refueler jets with spray nozzles thru a 50X spotting scope, I can confirm that. But the last ADC Chemtrail spraying was done under a full moon on a clear night. It was a crosshair at the usual lat/lon of the center of the Daylight spray patterns. Full moon, clear night, crosshair, means they are still in a R&D mode visually checking drift, dissipation without sunlight, holding spray patterns, whatever else. So easy to confirm daylight ADC Chemtrail runs over Chicagoland may become a thing of the past, night ADC Chemtrailing could be the future here.
This is 'in addition to' your observations.

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My brain is probably not engaged right now but what is ADC . . . ??

Hey George,
It's not the stuff 'going thru the engines'.
Aerially Dispersed Chemicals - ADC
When the labs spend so much in R&D to formulate the chems/biol's, you don't think they're gonna run 'em thru a jet engine? :)
I think giving them a fancy name/acronym gets 'em more money for research and development. :)

OK . . . I get it . . . I would have to agree if a program did exist they would use the cover of night to be more effective if they were to target a geographic area . . . the atmosphere is normally more stable and predictable at night and of course you have the cover of darkness to make detection more difficult . . . altitude would also be critical . . . the higher you release the more difficult it is to hit a target area . . . that is why if you were using a 50X to see them in detail they may be too high to effectively hit and area as small as Chicago . . .

George,
I have to use binoc's to locate first then use the 50X because the field of view is so small! Once in the spotting scope the aircraft is big enough to get detail. N-numbers although the legal minimum size are NOT big enough to read, THAT would be the Holy Grail of Chemtrails.

Crusader,

What are the times of the night you have observed these flights?

Thread: Chemtrails over Chicagoland 11-28-12 Night ops

And if you're checking...
MODIS satellite only takes daylight pics, no chemtrails shown.
Satellite imagery will be posted if found, but my personal IR viewing of chemtrails indicates they have no IR signature.
update-GOES-EAST IR satellite pics show no chemtrails.

Yes, this is what I thought all along..not going thru the engines. nope.
I see them at night too.

thanks, good information.

after seeing 1 directly in front of the sun last weekend its a yes for me. it was so obvious what it was. I know the difference between clouds and those. It was weird so I kept checking since that day. But there hasn't been anymore. I keep checking at the same time every day. But since Saturday at the time I check, the sun has been in a different spot in the sky at the time I look. And it was really bright on Saturday couldn't even stare at it. Today it didn't seem as bright.

Thread: One Process of Geoengineering gotta check this thread out

I don't know if you are on to something or not? Wave patterns are common in nature as well . . . ie watch the complex patterns on the surf at the beach or ripples in the sand on the bottom of a stream . . . they appear equally spaced in a frequency pattern . . . water is a fluid which causes this . . . air and humidity follow fluid dynamics as well . . . I am not saying you are wrong just offering a possible alternate explanation . . .

[link to photography.nationalgeographic.com]

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The President of the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA said they exist

Google GEO engineering THEY EXIST...the conspiratorial term is CHEMtrail While the Scientific is Geo engineering.

POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?
Yes, and they are all over the sky . . . 38.1% (1075)
No, I do not . . . 23.2% (654)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas 18.0% (508)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc. 9.9% (279)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines 5.7% (160)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc. 5.2% (148)
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Seems obvious "they are all over the sky" is the most often selected response or choice in the poll . . . the question is WHY?

I would venture to say that most people who think chemtrails exist are strongly influenced by what they personally see in the sky themselves without much encouragement from other explanations . . .

Last Edited by George B on 02/07/2013 11:05 AM

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I don't think I have heard that . . . can you show me the source of your information . . . ??

Last Edited by George B on 02/07/2013 11:35 AM

Some possible evidence of global warming . . .

[link to www.youtube.com]



Last Edited by George B on 02/09/2013 12:50 PM

Polling updates. . . .

Thread: How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?



POLL: How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?
3) I notice them first in the sky and started to ask questions   51.6% (192)
2) I visited a website and they talked about them   15.6% (58)
1) Someone (a friend, family, etc.) told me about Chemtrails   10.5% (39)
4) I was reading about a different conspiracy and they mentioned them . . .   8.6% (32)
9) Other . . . please specify   7.8% (29)
5) I saw a discussion on a YouTube video   3.8% (14)
7) I was watching TV and I saw a documentary on the History Channel   1.1% (4)
8) I had a dream about them and just knew   0.8% (3)
6) I was watching TV and there was a news story about them   0.3% (1)
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Thread: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . .    77.0% (117)
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . .   6.6% (10)
12) Other. . .  please specify in this Thread. . . .    5.9% (9)
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . .   3.3% (5)
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them .  .   2.0% (3)
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .   2.0% (3)
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .   1.3% (2)
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . .   1.3% (2)
11)  Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . .   0.7% (1)
1) TV news stories about them . . .   0% (0)
2) I have dreams about them . .    0% (0)
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .   0% (0)
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Last Edited by George B on 03/24/2013 06:26 AM

Excellent reference on Treaty Narrative from Windy's Chemtrail Thread . . . Thread: Chemtrails (Page 10)

[link to www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org]

Last Edited by George B on 04/16/2013 12:02 PM

These observations and questions (many redundant) are sometimes counterintuitive and are very difficult to explain to people and IMO are one of the reasons the chemtrail conspiracy persists. . . .


1) Smoke is seen at ground level and it appears to eventually dissipate but can linger in haze for hours. . . . but generally the higher smokes goes the quicker it dissipates. . . while persistent contrails won't form at ground level but will as you get to higher altitudes. . .

2) Fog can form at ground level and remain for hours or seemingly for days. . . but contrails seemingly won't . .

3) Clouds can form in a cloudless clear sky but seemingly won't dissipated for hours . . . they are commonly persistent . . . If air is a fluid and molecules go from higher concentration to lower concentration why do clouds appear to visibly adhere together . . . is there a bond . . . ?

4) Except for aerodynamic vortices persistent contrails usually won't form except where the air is thin enough (higher altitudes) but clouds will. . . ?

5) Why do persistent contrails form when clouds will not? Why do persistent contrails not form when clouds will ?

6) Why is it the higher an Aircraft flies the greater the chance they will form a persistent contrail where and when clouds may not?

7) Why do contrails appear unbroken for miles and then decide to simply end . . . and begin again . . .?

8) Why does one aircraft leave a persistent trail and one doesn't . . . though they appear to be flying at the same altitudes . . . ?

9) Why do persistent trails appear to form patterns in the sky?

10) Why is it when I see persistent trails it usually (storms) rains later or if it looked like rain the rain goes away ?

11) After persistent trails why does my and/or my family's allergies or respiratory problems increase . . . ?

12) Why do I get depressed or anxious when there are persistent trails in the sky . . . .?

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August 19, 2012
“Chemtrails are not real, they are just contrails”….GREENPEACE???
[link to thenextbigblog.wordpress.com]

Interesting reading. . . .

More Interesting reading. . . .

The Painful Truth About "CHEMTRAILS"

By
Jerry E. Smith

[link to www.jerryesmith.com]

This appeared in the May/June 2009 print issue of Sovereign Mind Magazine and on that publication’s website at [link to www.sovereignmindmagazine.com]

NASA Brief. . . .on future war technology

[link to www.stopthecrime.net]

Where are we at now?

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Just read the Jerry E. Smith link. Very interesting, George. Thanks.

Good article

This is why democracy doesn't work.There are too many stupid people.Democracy becomes mob rule on the surface but a controlled dictatorship underneath.

But, the suggestion that contrails couldn't persist for hours before the 90s is incorrect.

POLL: Do you believe in Chemtrails?

Yes, and they are all over the sky . . .   38.1% (1089)
No, I do not . . .   23.0% (658)
Yes, the TPTB is trying to crowd control, and other agendas   18.1% (517)
Yes, they include cloud seeding, Chaff, insecticides, etc.   9.8% (281)
Yes, but most are persistent trails from High Efficiency Jet Engines   5.7% (162)
Yes, but they are rare . . . experimental geo-engineering, etc.   5.3% (150)
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