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Apes descended from Humans – NOT the other way around.

 
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another evolutionist.

life does not evolve gradually. nor it is created....
solve that.
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Still playing with fossils... too bad there's no DNA to work with. We can only go back 150,000 years or so for the real story.
Seven thousand five hundred fifty-six (7556) haplotypes of 46 subclades in 17 major haplogroups were considered in terms of their base (ancestral) haplotypes and timespans to their common ancestors, for the purposes of designing of time-balanced haplogroup tree. It was found that African haplogroup A originated 132,000 ± 12,000ypbp(years before present) is very remote time-wise from all other haplogroups, which have a separate common ancestor, named 'beta'-haplogroup, and originated 64,000 ± 6000 ybp. It includes a family of Europeoid (Caucasoid) haplogroups from F through T that originated 58,000 ± 5000 ybp. A downstream common ancestor for haplogroup A and 'beta'-haplogroup, coined the alpha-haplogroup emerged 160,000 ± 12,000 ybp. A territorial origin of haplogroups 'alpha'- and 'beta'-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from 'beta'-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of “lateral” mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp.
The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNP's(single-nucleotide polymorphism) M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.
The “Out of Africa” theory was based in conjectural, incomplete and not actually data-driven data.
Therefore, we are left holding the question of the origin of Homo sapiens.
Non-African people, bearers
of haplogroups from C to T(160,000ybp), did not descend from the “African” haplogroups A or B(132,000ybp). Their origin is likely not in Africa.
Based on palaeoarchaeological evidence, the region, where
anatomically modern humans have likely originated, is com
prised of a vast territory from Central Europe in the west to the
Russian Plain in the east to Levant in the south.
The 'alpha'-haplogroup which is the ancestral one with respect to
both African (left branch) and non-African haplogroups (right branch) arose around 160,000 ybp, and 132,000 ybp gave rise to haplogroup A.
Another, quite different branch, had formed a
fork, then apparently went through a population bottleneck around 70 - 60 thousand ybp (perhaps the Toba event), and
gave rise to 'beta'-haplogroup, ancestral to non-African haplogroups, 64,000 ± 6000 ybp.
Apparently, haplogroup B was initially not of an African origin. It could have migrated to Africa and mixed there with a local Negroid population. A common ancestor of the present day bearers of haplogroup B lived 46,000 ybp.(Cruciani et al., 2010; Klyosov,
2012).
The Mongoloid and Austronesian haplogroup C split ~36,000
ybp and populated regions of Central Asia, Australia
and Oceania.
Haplogroup DE split to D and E around 42,000
ybp, populates from North Africa to
the west to Korea and Japan to the east.
The family of haplogroup from F through T is largely the
Europeoid (Caucasoid) family.
And he was not necessarily living in Africa. Since he belonged to a haplogroup up-
stream from haplogroups A and B, his haplogroup can be
named “alpha-haplogroup”. It is a matter of taste and belief to
call it “Adam” or not.
 Quoting: Advances in Anthropology May 2012

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Man didn’t descend from apes. What is closer to the truth is that our knuckle-dragging cousins descended from us.

That’s one of the shocking new theories being drawn from a series of anthropology papers published Friday in a special edition of the journal Science.

Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.

The 4-foot, 110-pound female’s skeleton and physiological characteristics bear a closer resemblance to modern-day humans than to contemporary apes, meaning they evolved from human-like creatures – not the other way around.

The partial skeleton “is probably the most important find we have had yet,” says Owen Lovejoy, one of the primary authors on the journal package.

“It’s transformative. This is a lot closer to anything that you’d call the missing link than anything that’s ever been found,” says Lovejoy, an anthropologist at Ohio’s Kent State University.

Among other things, research on Ardi suggests humans are far more primitive in an evolutionary sense than today’s great apes – like chimps and gorillas – which have continued to evolve from the missing link.

“In a way we’re saying that the old idea that we evolved from a chimpanzee is totally incorrect,” he says. “It’s more proper to say that chimpanzees evolved from us.”

Lovejoy says chimps experienced more profound evolutionary changes in their backs, pelvises, limbs, hands and feet as they adapted to life in the trees than the hominid line of upright species that evolved into humans.


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? Evolution-devolution ?
logical in context with reincarnation idea ?...


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It was observed, that Gorillas bury their dead, in Africa, 19th century, not in the ground, but they put some things on it, trees, leaves.
In indonesian malay language orangutang means "wild man of the woods". It's very friendly creature, maybe only one with dolphins, that show initiative for friendship with humans.
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Man didn’t descend from apes. What is closer to the truth is that our knuckle-dragging cousins descended from us.

That’s one of the shocking new theories being drawn from a series of anthropology papers published Friday in a special edition of the journal Science.

Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.

The 4-foot, 110-pound female’s skeleton and physiological characteristics bear a closer resemblance to modern-day humans than to contemporary apes, meaning they evolved from human-like creatures – not the other way around.

The partial skeleton “is probably the most important find we have had yet,” says Owen Lovejoy, one of the primary authors on the journal package.

“It’s transformative. This is a lot closer to anything that you’d call the missing link than anything that’s ever been found,” says Lovejoy, an anthropologist at Ohio’s Kent State University.

Among other things, research on Ardi suggests humans are far more primitive in an evolutionary sense than today’s great apes – like chimps and gorillas – which have continued to evolve from the missing link.

“In a way we’re saying that the old idea that we evolved from a chimpanzee is totally incorrect,” he says. “It’s more proper to say that chimpanzees evolved from us.”

Lovejoy says chimps experienced more profound evolutionary changes in their backs, pelvises, limbs, hands and feet as they adapted to life in the trees than the hominid line of upright species that evolved into humans.


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Aren't primates supposed to be the outcome of mating between fallen angels and antediluvian humans ?
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if you still havent figured out that all life shared the early single celled organism stage together and branched out from there then you are all monkeys.
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This is an old story from 2009 which seems to have been picked up by "ArticleSafari" in 2011 and somehow posted up here as new news.

See [link to sandwalk.blogspot.co.uk]
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if you still havent figured out
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if you still havent figured out
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i know
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There's just no way Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid (East Asian) folks all evolved from 2 persons.

A lot is being hidden.
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There's just no way Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid (East Asian) folks all evolved from 2 persons.

A lot is being hidden.
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persons or more likely we come from

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There's just no way Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid (East Asian) folks all evolved from 2 persons.

A lot is being hidden.
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persons or

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If you mean off planet involvement, I would say that is a very good guess. The evidence points to that.
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in one of the mayans previous 4 worlds, humans were turned into apes/monkeys so that they could cling to the trees and not be swept away by the massive wind storm.

entire forests were destroyed by massive tornados of some sort.
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Aren't primates supposed to be the outcome of mating between fallen angels and antediluvian humans ?
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Jasher 9

32 And God said to the seventy angels who stood foremost before him, to those who were near to him, saying, Come let us descend and confuse their tongues, that one man shall not understand the language of his neighbor, and they did so unto them.

And from that day following, they forgot each man his neighbor's tongue, and they could not understand to speak in one tongue, and when the builder took from the hands of his neighbor lime or stone which he did not order, the builder would cast it away and throw it upon his neighbor, that he would die.

And they did so many days, and they killed many of them in this manner.

And the Lord smote the three divisions that were there, and he punished them according to their works and designs; those who said, We will ascend to heaven and serve our gods, became as apes and elephants; and those who said, We will smite the heaven with arrows, the Lord killed them, one man through the hand of his neighbor; and the third division of those who said, We will ascend to heaven and fight against him, the Lord scattered them throughout the earth.

And those who were left amongst them, when they knew and understood the evil which was coming upon them, they forsook the building, and they also became scattered upon the face of the whole earth.
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Every race that does not have blue eyes evolved naturally on Earth.

Those with blue eyes came here from somewhere else. Blue eyes come from a home world many thousands of light years from here. They came here as refugees from their own creations. Robots if you will.

They came here to settle and start anew. They made a treaty with their robots. The terms were that humans could no longer have space travel and would not create sentient robots again.

UFOs are the descendants of those robots making sure we are still keeping our side of the bargain. When we went to the moon that was a sign of a treaty violation. Our governments were reminded of their obligations. So we stopped leaving out atmosphere. No human has left the atmosphere since the last Apollo mission. The space shuttle was still technically in the atmosphere as is the space station.

We could have sentient robots right now, the pieces are all there. But no one will give funding to put those pieces together because it would case a holocaust on Earth if we did. We can't run this time. We no longer know how. So we must not recreate the mistakes of the past.

This is all self evident if you just open your eyes. The lost technology, the artifacts, the ruins all make sense if looked at the proper way.

Blue eyes are not from here. No creature with blue eyes is from here. Some of us are aliens, but not.