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Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???

 
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Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???
from wikipedia...
Pyramidology. Following views first taught by Christian writers such as John Taylor, Charles Piazzi Smyth and Joseph Seiss, he believed the Great Pyramid of Giza was built by the Hebrews (associated to the Hyksos) under God’s direction, but to be understood only in our day. He adopted and used Seiss's phrase referring to it as "the Bible in stone". He believed that certain biblical texts, including Isaiah 19:19–20 and others, prophesied a future understanding of the Great Pyramid and adopted the view that the various ascending and descending passages represented the fall of man, the provision of the Mosaic Law, the death of Christ, the exultation of the saints in heaven, etc. Calculations were made using the pattern of an inch per year. Dates such as 1874, 1914, and 1948 were purported to have been found through the study of this monument.[47]
His gravestone... [link to www.guidetosalvation.com]


wow I had no idea.
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I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
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I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
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I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
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I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1354465


thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
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I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1354465


thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


You shouldn't really believe everything you read. We (JW's) do not have ANYTHING to do with anything like that...c'mon, quit spreading dis-info Demonic proppaganda...
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I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1354465


thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


You shouldn't really believe everything you read. We (JW's) do not have ANYTHING to do with anything like that...c'mon, quit spreading dis-info Demonic proppaganda...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


itsnot propaganda. It is fact. you can look it up and research it for yourself. Just google it.
Jws are against such things because they refuse to look at the truth right in front of them.
Its all online. Look for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Do not believe everything you are told.
When you limit yourself to what others tell you...you become the same thing. LIMITED.
Its all online. Go look.
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Re: Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???
Link to more info on him. Take a look at this chart he developed....pryamids everywhere.
[link to www.absoluteastronomy.com]
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[link to image.absoluteastronomy.com]
Look at this.....a chart he developed.
Pryamids everywhere.
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no responses save for one. A Jw that popped in , said "dont believe everything you read" then popped out.
It seems like brainwashing to me.
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I don't know a thing about Jehovahs Witness'. I do however know that the Great Pyramid of Giza is one of the most facsinating achievements of not only engineering, but numerology. You can find the believed birth and death day of many religious figures including buddah, krishna, jesus, muhhamed, etc.... In one hallway with a terraced ceiling, using the same formula on each terrace. The height of the Pyramid is the average height of earth, the Kings Chamber stays at the earths average temperature 365 days a year, it is the more accurate in pure N/S/E/W alignment, than modern engineers could accomplish on such a scale. If there really is a "bible" code, I think it's found in the measurements of Giza, not the KJ.
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I'm an athiest btw.
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I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1354465


thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


You shouldn't really believe everything you read. We (JW's) do not have ANYTHING to do with anything like that...c'mon, quit spreading dis-info Demonic proppaganda...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


itsnot propaganda. It is fact. you can look it up and research it for yourself. Just google it.
Jws are against such things because they refuse to look at the truth right in front of them.
Its all online. Look for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Do not believe everything you are told.
When you limit yourself to what others tell you...you become the same thing. LIMITED.
Its all online. Go look.
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you are an idiot, I do NOT need an apostate website to tell me my beliefs, which I base ENTIRELY on the BIBLE....
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thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


You shouldn't really believe everything you read. We (JW's) do not have ANYTHING to do with anything like that...c'mon, quit spreading dis-info Demonic proppaganda...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


itsnot propaganda. It is fact. you can look it up and research it for yourself. Just google it.
Jws are against such things because they refuse to look at the truth right in front of them.
Its all online. Look for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Do not believe everything you are told.
When you limit yourself to what others tell you...you become the same thing. LIMITED.
Its all online. Go look.
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


you are an idiot, I do NOT need an apostate website to tell me my beliefs, which I base ENTIRELY on the BIBLE....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
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Re: Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???
I don't know a thing about Jehovahs Witness'. I do however know that the Great Pyramid of Giza is one of the most facsinating achievements of not only engineering, but numerology. You can find the believed birth and death day of many religious figures including buddah, krishna, jesus, muhhamed, etc.... In one hallway with a terraced ceiling, using the same formula on each terrace. The height of the Pyramid is the average height of earth, the Kings Chamber stays at the earths average temperature 365 days a year, it is the more accurate in pure N/S/E/W alignment, than modern engineers could accomplish on such a scale. If there really is a "bible" code, I think it's found in the measurements of Giza, not the KJ.
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Thats all well and good. I dont care what anyone "beleives" personally. Nor am I trying to force my beliefs down anyones throat. i am only pointing out facts.
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address of gravesite location....United Cemeteries
226 Cemetery Ln.
Pittsburgh, PA 15237-2722
Tel (412) 931-1017
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You shouldn't really believe everything you read. We (JW's) do not have ANYTHING to do with anything like that...c'mon, quit spreading dis-info Demonic proppaganda...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


itsnot propaganda. It is fact. you can look it up and research it for yourself. Just google it.
Jws are against such things because they refuse to look at the truth right in front of them.
Its all online. Look for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Do not believe everything you are told.
When you limit yourself to what others tell you...you become the same thing. LIMITED.
Its all online. Go look.
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


you are an idiot, I do NOT need an apostate website to tell me my beliefs, which I base ENTIRELY on the BIBLE....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: infinitymindbox

Go get some REAL education:
[link to www.jw.org]
[link to watchtower.org]
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itsnot propaganda. It is fact. you can look it up and research it for yourself. Just google it.
Jws are against such things because they refuse to look at the truth right in front of them.
Its all online. Look for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Do not believe everything you are told.
When you limit yourself to what others tell you...you become the same thing. LIMITED.
Its all online. Go look.
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


you are an idiot, I do NOT need an apostate website to tell me my beliefs, which I base ENTIRELY on the BIBLE....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: infinitymindbox

Go get some REAL education:
[link to www.jw.org]
[link to watchtower.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407

read for yourself.
Dont believe what others tell you. Read for yourself.
Look at the links!!!!!
NONE are false.
NONE are made-up.
His grave IS a pyramid. WITH a CROSS.
You are in side a box.
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I can show you scriptures and verses straight form the bible that would SHOCK you. Thing the JWs dont consider. Things they refuse to talk about.

for example explain this one scripture to me please....
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall move out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

"The earth will move out of her place"
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you are an idiot, I do NOT need an apostate website to tell me my beliefs, which I base ENTIRELY on the BIBLE....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: infinitymindbox

Go get some REAL education:
[link to www.jw.org]
[link to watchtower.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407

read for yourself.
Dont believe what others tell you. Read for yourself.
Look at the links!!!!!
NONE are false.
NONE are made-up.
His grave IS a pyramid. WITH a CROSS.
You are in side a box.
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I have seen that before MANY times, and really could care less, I follow the BIBLE and do NOT Worship anyone but Jehovah, Not Jesus, not Russel or any other man, including the men that made his Tombstone.

Get a life
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i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: infinitymindbox

Go get some REAL education:
[link to www.jw.org]
[link to watchtower.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407

read for yourself.
Dont believe what others tell you. Read for yourself.
Look at the links!!!!!
NONE are false.
NONE are made-up.
His grave IS a pyramid. WITH a CROSS.
You are in side a box.
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


I have seen that before MANY times, and really could care less, I follow the BIBLE and do NOT Worship anyone but Jehovah, Not Jesus, not Russel or any other man, including the men that made his Tombstone.

Get a life
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I have a life. Thanks . Nice responses BTW...."an answer in mildness turns away rage". Way to show a "christ like personality". Explain that scripture i mentioned please.
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Re: Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???
I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1354465


thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


Their problem is, THEY DO NOT Follow the pyramids anymore, any mention of Brother Russells Masonic teachings and youll be disfellowshipped, They were much better off Masonic and following holidays than the strict cult they are today, They totally disowned Brother Russell.

There is 144,000 casing stones on the Great Pyramid btw...it foretells the 144,000 Sons of God.
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I wonder about all the people involved with this orginazation...it has something like 6 million worldwide members. Thats alot of people.
Are they being mislead?
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


I think it's safe to say that if the Scientologists by Hubbard and the Mormons by Smith were being misled, then yes, the JW's by Russell were being misled. All using similar methodology to mislead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1354465


thats messed up.....its becoming harder and harder to tell false prophets from those who really are searching for real "truth".

This leads me to believe very differently about the JWs.
I had respect for them for doing what they do, but cmon.....the pyramids??? Seriously....
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


Their problem is, THEY DO NOT Follow the pyramids anymore, any mention of Brother Russells Masonic teachings and youll be disfellowshipped, They were much better off Masonic and following holidays than the strict cult they are today, They totally disowned Brother Russell.

There is 144,000 casing stones on the Great Pyramid btw...it foretells the 144,000 Sons of God.
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interesting. I did not know. Thanks for the input.
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you are an idiot, I do NOT need an apostate website to tell me my beliefs, which I base ENTIRELY on the BIBLE....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: infinitymindbox

Go get some REAL education:
[link to www.jw.org]
[link to watchtower.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407

read for yourself.
Dont believe what others tell you. Read for yourself.
Look at the links!!!!!
NONE are false.
NONE are made-up.
His grave IS a pyramid. WITH a CROSS.
You are in side a box.
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


There are rumors that since he was disowned from the Modern Watchtower, it is Knights who attend to his grave, Any Templar would recognize Russell as one of their own

The modern Witnesses .... poo on them ! They are a bunch of Fundies who are still afraid of Satan !

I stand by my Knights and Masonic heritage,

:ordo:
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I can show you scriptures and verses straight form the bible that would SHOCK you. Thing the JWs dont consider. Things they refuse to talk about.

for example explain this one scripture to me please....
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall move out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

"The earth will move out of her place"
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anyone care to elaborate on the meaning of this verse?

"the earth will be moved out of her place"....
Does this mean it will physically be moved? OR is it "symbolic"

The bible mentions a "new heavens and new earth"
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i am not an apostate, nor an idiot. Typical. You brand anyone who exposes the real truth. Look here is another source...this even mentions direction on how o get to his gravesite.
Look for yourself. [link to images.search.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: infinitymindbox

Go get some REAL education:
[link to www.jw.org]
[link to watchtower.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407

read for yourself.
Dont believe what others tell you. Read for yourself.
Look at the links!!!!!
NONE are false.
NONE are made-up.
His grave IS a pyramid. WITH a CROSS.
You are in side a box.
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


There are rumors that since he was disowned from the Modern Watchtower, it is Knights who attend to his grave, Any Templar would recognize Russell as one of their own

The modern Witnesses .... poo on them ! They are a bunch of Fundies who are still afraid of Satan !

I stand by my Knights and Masonic heritage,

:ordo:
 Quoting: MR ILLUMINAUGHTY


I do not know much about masonic things. Knowledge is power howevr, and I will increase my knowledge on them. Thanks for striking up my interest.
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BTW, Wikepedia is not a reliable source of info that I would stake my life on. I look forward to living on a Paradise Earth like God originally intended for man, as mention in Psalms 37:10-11 and 29


Peace...
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BTW, Wikepedia is not a reliable source of info that I would stake my life on. I look forward to living on a Paradise Earth like God originally intended for man, as mention in Psalms 37:10-11 and 29


Peace...
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k point taken. However there are many many more sites that say the same thing.
Elaborate on the scripture please. I guess I will make a thread on that subject alone....
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BTW, Wikepedia is not a reliable source of info that I would stake my life on. I look forward to living on a Paradise Earth like God originally intended for man, as mention in Psalms 37:10-11 and 29


Peace...
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I look forward to living in a paradise too!!! That part is true!!!!
However, the means of which it will come about is nothing like what you have been told.
You are inside a box.
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Re: Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???
I can show you scriptures and verses straight form the bible that would SHOCK you. Thing the JWs dont consider. Things they refuse to talk about.

for example explain this one scripture to me please....
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall move out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

"The earth will move out of her place"
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another uneducated accusation on your part, here is where "I guess we don't talk about Isaiah 13:13" in the 75 Awake magazine)

*** g75 8/22 pp. 27-28 Will the Earth One Day Be Destroyed? ***
That the end of those ruining the earth does not mean the destruction of the earth is evident from what happened in the days of Noah. By means of a global deluge, God destroyed a violent world of people. But he saw to it that righteous Noah and seven members of his family, along with basic animal kinds, were preserved alive.
Using what happened back then as an example of what lay ahead, the apostle Peter wrote: “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.”—2 Pet. 3:6, 7.
Note that the destruction to come, as in the case of the Flood, is directed—not against all humans and earthly creatures—but against “ungodly men.” As in Noah’s days, the literal earth will not be destroyed. But why, then, does 2 Peter 3:10 say: “The heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered”?
In view of God’s purpose to have the earth inhabited, manifestly these words should be understood in a symbolic sense. They are not without parallel in other parts of the Bible. For example, regarding God’s judgment against Babylon, Isaiah 13:13 states: “The earth will rock out of its place at the fury of Jehovah of armies and at the day of his burning anger.”
When Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E., the literal earth did not rock out of its place. However, this did happen to the earthly realm of Babylon. Defeated, Babylon lost control of a vast portion of the earth and became simply a province of the Persian Empire.
Similarly, the reference to the destruction of “the heavens and the earth that are now” is symbolic. In Biblical usage, the word “earth” at times simply means the people on the earth. For example, at Genesis 11:1 we read: “All, the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words.” Now, to whom or to what have the people constituting the “earth” directed their confidence and appealed for aid? The history of mankind shows that they have looked to their lofty governments, “the superior authorities,” for help and protection. (Rom. 13:1) So the “heavens” that will pass away “with a hissing noise” are such governments. As for the “earth” composed of ungodly mankind, it, too, will perish. The “earth [wicked human society] and the works in it will be discovered.”
This does not mean that the symbolic earth and its works will merely be seared bare and left lying exposed. Rather, they will be found or “discovered” by the fire as being combustible. The idea conveyed by the expression “discovered” is similar to the point made by the apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 3:13: “Each one’s work will become manifest, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire; and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one’s is.”
The passing away of the symbolic heavens and the destruction of ungodly mankind will pave the way for making our earthly planet a most delightful home for those seeking to do God’s will. The earth will be transformed from a place where sorrow, pain, sickness and death prevail, into a paradise free from such things.—Rev. 21:4.
So the earth, in harmony with God’s purpose, will continue to exist. If you desire to remain an abiding part of his creation, heed the inspired admonition: “Do your utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace.” (2 Pet. 3:14) Yes, make sure of what God’s will is and determine to do it.
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I can show you scriptures and verses straight form the bible that would SHOCK you. Thing the JWs dont consider. Things they refuse to talk about.

for example explain this one scripture to me please....
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall move out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

"The earth will move out of her place"
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another uneducated accusation on your part, here is where "I guess we don't talk about Isaiah 13:13" in the 75 Awake magazine)

*** g75 8/22 pp. 27-28 Will the Earth One Day Be Destroyed? ***
That the end of those ruining the earth does not mean the destruction of the earth is evident from what happened in the days of Noah. By means of a global deluge, God destroyed a violent world of people. But he saw to it that righteous Noah and seven members of his family, along with basic animal kinds, were preserved alive.
Using what happened back then as an example of what lay ahead, the apostle Peter wrote: “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.”—2 Pet. 3:6, 7.
Note that the destruction to come, as in the case of the Flood, is directed—not against all humans and earthly creatures—but against “ungodly men.” As in Noah’s days, the literal earth will not be destroyed. But why, then, does 2 Peter 3:10 say: “The heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered”?
In view of God’s purpose to have the earth inhabited, manifestly these words should be understood in a symbolic sense. They are not without parallel in other parts of the Bible. For example, regarding God’s judgment against Babylon, Isaiah 13:13 states: “The earth will rock out of its place at the fury of Jehovah of armies and at the day of his burning anger.”
When Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E., the literal earth did not rock out of its place. However, this did happen to the earthly realm of Babylon. Defeated, Babylon lost control of a vast portion of the earth and became simply a province of the Persian Empire.
Similarly, the reference to the destruction of “the heavens and the earth that are now” is symbolic. In Biblical usage, the word “earth” at times simply means the people on the earth. For example, at Genesis 11:1 we read: “All, the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words.” Now, to whom or to what have the people constituting the “earth” directed their confidence and appealed for aid? The history of mankind shows that they have looked to their lofty governments, “the superior authorities,” for help and protection. (Rom. 13:1) So the “heavens” that will pass away “with a hissing noise” are such governments. As for the “earth” composed of ungodly mankind, it, too, will perish. The “earth [wicked human society] and the works in it will be discovered.”
This does not mean that the symbolic earth and its works will merely be seared bare and left lying exposed. Rather, they will be found or “discovered” by the fire as being combustible. The idea conveyed by the expression “discovered” is similar to the point made by the apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 3:13: “Each one’s work will become manifest, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire; and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one’s is.”
The passing away of the symbolic heavens and the destruction of ungodly mankind will pave the way for making our earthly planet a most delightful home for those seeking to do God’s will. The earth will be transformed from a place where sorrow, pain, sickness and death prevail, into a paradise free from such things.—Rev. 21:4.
So the earth, in harmony with God’s purpose, will continue to exist. If you desire to remain an abiding part of his creation, heed the inspired admonition: “Do your utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace.” (2 Pet. 3:14) Yes, make sure of what God’s will is and determine to do it.
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you are saying this is symbolic or something else.
I mentioned rev on another thread about the sun turning black. I was tld this too was symbolic.
If it is symbolic, it would explained as such.
You take a scripture that says something specifically. In this case.."the earth will be moved out of her place" and say ..."thats not what it means....it means this...." something totally different.
And you accse others of "twisting the scriptures"?
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Re: Charles Taze Russell Founded the Jehovahs Witness and Based Teaching on the Measurements of the Pyramids???
I can show you scriptures and verses straight form the bible that would SHOCK you. Thing the JWs dont consider. Things they refuse to talk about.

for example explain this one scripture to me please....
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall move out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

"The earth will move out of her place"
 Quoting: infinitymindbox


another uneducated accusation on your part, here is where "I guess we don't talk about Isaiah 13:13" in the 75 Awake magazine)

*** g75 8/22 pp. 27-28 Will the Earth One Day Be Destroyed? ***
That the end of those ruining the earth does not mean the destruction of the earth is evident from what happened in the days of Noah. By means of a global deluge, God destroyed a violent world of people. But he saw to it that righteous Noah and seven members of his family, along with basic animal kinds, were preserved alive.
Using what happened back then as an example of what lay ahead, the apostle Peter wrote: “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.”—2 Pet. 3:6, 7.
Note that the destruction to come, as in the case of the Flood, is directed—not against all humans and earthly creatures—but against “ungodly men.” As in Noah’s days, the literal earth will not be destroyed. But why, then, does 2 Peter 3:10 say: “The heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered”?
In view of God’s purpose to have the earth inhabited, manifestly these words should be understood in a symbolic sense. They are not without parallel in other parts of the Bible. For example, regarding God’s judgment against Babylon, Isaiah 13:13 states: “The earth will rock out of its place at the fury of Jehovah of armies and at the day of his burning anger.”
When Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E., the literal earth did not rock out of its place. However, this did happen to the earthly realm of Babylon. Defeated, Babylon lost control of a vast portion of the earth and became simply a province of the Persian Empire.
Similarly, the reference to the destruction of “the heavens and the earth that are now” is symbolic. In Biblical usage, the word “earth” at times simply means the people on the earth. For example, at Genesis 11:1 we read: “All, the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words.” Now, to whom or to what have the people constituting the “earth” directed their confidence and appealed for aid? The history of mankind shows that they have looked to their lofty governments, “the superior authorities,” for help and protection. (Rom. 13:1) So the “heavens” that will pass away “with a hissing noise” are such governments. As for the “earth” composed of ungodly mankind, it, too, will perish. The “earth [wicked human society] and the works in it will be discovered.”
This does not mean that the symbolic earth and its works will merely be seared bare and left lying exposed. Rather, they will be found or “discovered” by the fire as being combustible. The idea conveyed by the expression “discovered” is similar to the point made by the apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 3:13: “Each one’s work will become manifest, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire; and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one’s is.”
The passing away of the symbolic heavens and the destruction of ungodly mankind will pave the way for making our earthly planet a most delightful home for those seeking to do God’s will. The earth will be transformed from a place where sorrow, pain, sickness and death prevail, into a paradise free from such things.—Rev. 21:4.
So the earth, in harmony with God’s purpose, will continue to exist. If you desire to remain an abiding part of his creation, heed the inspired admonition: “Do your utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace.” (2 Pet. 3:14) Yes, make sure of what God’s will is and determine to do it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336407


you are saying this is symbolic or something else.
I mentioned rev on another thread about the sun turning black. I was tld this too was symbolic.
If it is symbolic, it would explained as such.
You take a scripture that says something specifically. In this case.."the earth will be moved out of her place" and say ..."thats not what it means....it means this...." something totally different.
And you accse others of "twisting the scriptures"?
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this was supposed to say "of"

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