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NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP is just too damn hard for the Obamacrats to comprehend!

 
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God I'm getting sick of this. All the bickering and fighting over what the term "natural born citizen" means. Why is it so damn hard to understand for you people? Everyone name-calling and demanding US laws to prove the definition? WTF is this shit? Can't you people use your fucking brains?!? The term is really quite simple, it means that citizenship falls upon you NATURALLY, by virtue of your birth. Think about the words, God damn it! THINK! It's not about where you are born, for Christ's sake!

Look, what does the word "natural" mean? This should be easy enough for people to understand, so break it the fuck down!

Natural quite literally means "not acquired by OUTSIDE influence; or inherent, by nature" in the context of this term. In other words, the identity that the term "natural" points to was not given by an un-natural act, such as by a law granting said identity. It means you inherited it! And how the fuck did you inherit this identity? By virtue of your birth, which brings us to the next word in the term, Born.

What does it mean to be born? I'm sure you empty headed fools can figure this one out, and if you can't your hopelessly fucking lost.

Born means that you are brought into existence by birth. By Birth, GET IT?! So how does the whole birth thing work then? Well, you need two parents to conceive! So you got two parents that conceive, and the child is born... OK so where do you go from here? Well, being born, you are naturally a person, but you are also a citizen. There's no way around this. So what's a citizen?

A citizen is a person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth OR naturalization to the protection of a state or nation. Notice "birth" OR "naturalization" in the sentence. The OR is there for a reason, it means there is more than one way to acquire citizenship. In fact, there are three ways to become a citizen, and ALL persons born are citizens, regardless of laws. But, laws can and do confer citizenship as well.

Birthright citizenship

The fourteenth amendment GRANTS that ALL persons born within US territories shall be US citizens, regardless of parentage.

Naturalization

The naturalization process is where immigrants apply for and are granted citizenship by an act of law.

Natural born citizenship

A natural born citizen is one in which citizenship is granted REGARDLESS of law, because the citizenship status is INHERENT BY VIRTUE OF BIRTH. NO LAW IS NEEDED TO GRANT THIS TYPE OF CITIZENSHIP!

The very nature of natural born citizenship states that the identity, i.e., citizen status, comes NATURALLY, and NOT BY AN ACT OF LAW! An act of law is un-natural, therefore it can not confer NATURAL citizenship.

So then, if no act of law can grant natural born citizenship status, how then is it acquired? The term itself identifies how it is acquired. NATURALLY! And how is it acquired naturally, you ask? When BOTH parents share the same citizenship, the child NATURALLY inherits that citizenship status.

THAT'S WHY IT'S FUCKING CALLED NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP!

If you have a mother who is an American citizen, and a father who is a French citizen, how do you determine the citizenship of the child? Which one does the child take citizenship from? Only an act of LAW can determine this, and in the context of law I mean OUTSIDE DETERMINATION! In such a case as this, there is no natural inheritance. The citizenship MUST be decided upon by OUTSIDE DETERMINATION. Therefore this kind of citizenship CAN NOT be natural. But, as can be witnessed by the fourteenth amendment, if that child is born on US soil, an act of LAW can grant citizenship to that child, JUST NOT NATURAL CITIZENSHIP. The same will happen if two French citizens have a child in the US. That child will be granted US citizenship UNDER LAW. It can also decline that status and take French citizenship.

Now, if two French citizens come to the US, become NATURALIZED by an act of LAW, and then have a child, since BOTH parents are now US citizens, they can NATURALLY confer US citizenship on their child. If one French citizen comes to the US, acquires US citizenship via naturalization, then marries an American and has a child, that child NATURALLY becomes a citizen. That's how it works.

BUT... Two non-citizens CAN NOT naturally confer US citizenship status on their American born child, because they DON'T have that status to give. ONLY an act of law can grant citizenship in this situation, therefore, the child CAN NOT be natural born.

Do you idiot Obama supporters get it yet?!?

"Show me the law"... For fuck's sake people. Hey Obama supporters! I've got an idea. Show me your fucking brain! It's got to be in that fat, empty fucking noggin of yours somewhere!

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"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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There's simply too many people that remain willfully ignorant of this terminology, and refuse to educate themselves. I really don't understand why it's so hard for these Obama supporters to grab a dictionary and use some of that comprehension skill that God granted them. It's not that hard to figure out.

People keep demanding a law to tell them what our forefathers meant, but why? Did our forefathers need to write a law to define the other terms they used? No. A law can't do this, it's not what law is intended for. Dictionaries and encyclopedias define words and terms, not elected politicians. People just don't get it.

Fuck, maybe the problems with Bill Clinton could have ALL gone away if these stupid Obama supporters just spoke up and demanded Congress define the word "it".

People just need to wake the fuck up. Our country has been ruled by a USURPER since 2009. A man that DOES NOT belong in the White house, no matter how much we want him there. And he's gone so far as to create a massive "Wag The Dog" style cover-up to distract the public away from the fact that his father was NEVER an American citizen. It worked well too, now EVERYONE is talking about "The Bin Laden Conspiracy".

God I wish people would just wake up and see what this man is doing. Stop being blinded by that fucking halo over his head, stop being lulled by his sweet words, JUST STOP! And take a good long look at his ACTIONS!
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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Maybe I need to re-name this to get some attention?
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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Come on people! Keep this bumped to the top! It's evident the Obama supporters can't argue with this logical explanation, So keep it in front of them! Don't let the truth be buried!
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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What's wrong, Obamacrats? Too many big words for you? Too much real intelligence to deal with? Did I just overload your pea-brains?

Can't argue with the truth, now can you?
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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Great post. Every MSM network needs a copy of this. The locals need copies.

The members of Congress need two copies each, so they can't claim they didn't see and didn't know.

A good lawyer could prosecute this case against Obama and be done with it, with a win in 30 minutes. It's that simple.

Then, Obama would be removed from office. Criminal charges would be filed on many counts stemming from many seperate offenses.
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I love the black man obama all you others are racist!!
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dude...natural born citizen means anyone born on US soil or territory you asshole....Puerto Ricans are natural born citizens because they have commonwealth status...so are American Samoans and Guamanians...GOD you are stupid
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dude...natural born citizen means anyone born on US soil or territory you asshole....Puerto Ricans are natural born citizens because they have commonwealth status...so are American Samoans and Guamanians...GOD you are stupid
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Lol, you're too fucking funny! You can't even put together an intelligent argument, and you expect your word to have more weight than mine? Fuck, you don't even know what your arguing AGAINST. I bet you didn't even read what I said, did you?

And you call ME stupid...
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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There's simply too many people that remain willfully ignorant of this terminology, and refuse to educate themselves. I really don't understand why it's so hard for these Obama supporters to grab a dictionary and use some of that comprehension skill that God granted them. It's not that hard to figure out.

People keep demanding a law to tell them what our forefathers meant, but why? Did our forefathers need to write a law to define the other terms they used? No. A law can't do this, it's not what law is intended for. Dictionaries and encyclopedias define words and terms, not elected politicians. People just don't get it.

Fuck, maybe the problems with Bill Clinton could have ALL gone away if these stupid Obama supporters just spoke up and demanded Congress define the word "it".

People just need to wake the fuck up. Our country has been ruled by a USURPER since 2009. A man that DOES NOT belong in the White house, no matter how much we want him there. And he's gone so far as to create a massive "Wag The Dog" style cover-up to distract the public away from the fact that his father was NEVER an American citizen. It worked well too, now EVERYONE is talking about "The Bin Laden Conspiracy".

God I wish people would just wake up and see what this man is doing. Stop being blinded by that fucking halo over his head, stop being lulled by his sweet words, JUST STOP! And take a good long look at his ACTIONS!
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hey Rush, i thought your show wasn't on for a few more hours. please by all means, break this phrase down for the next 48 minutes: GO FUCK YOURSELF
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Great post. Every MSM network needs a copy of this. The locals need copies.

The members of Congress need two copies each, so they can't claim they didn't see and didn't know.

A good lawyer could prosecute this case against Obama and be done with it, with a win in 30 minutes. It's that simple.

Then, Obama would be removed from office. Criminal charges would be filed on many counts stemming from many seperate offenses.
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this cunt is as dump as OP, fuck glp is full of tards tonight. enjoy your moose chili.
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hey Rush, i thought your show wasn't on for a few more hours. please by all means, break this phrase down for the next 48 minutes: GO FUCK YOURSELF
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That's all you can muster to argue your case? I bet you graduated from a government funded public school, didn't you?
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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Birthright citizenship

The fourteenth amendment GRANTS that ALL persons born within US territories shall be US citizens, regardless of parentage.

_

That's how they getcha. Before the 14th we were state citizens. Even after they really didn't have total control until the social security numbers (1930s), and the IRS (1913).
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dude...natural born citizen means anyone born on US soil or territory you asshole....Puerto Ricans are natural born citizens because they have commonwealth status...so are American Samoans and Guamanians...GOD you are stupid
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DUDE... no it doesn't, wrong definition.

DUDE... go smoke another blunt.
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dude...natural born citizen means anyone born on US soil or territory you asshole....Puerto Ricans are natural born citizens because they have commonwealth status...so are American Samoans and Guamanians...GOD you are stupid
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DUDE... no it doesn't, wrong definition.

DUDE... go smoke another blunt.
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+1
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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Great post. Every MSM network needs a copy of this. The locals need copies.

The members of Congress need two copies each, so they can't claim they didn't see and didn't know.

A good lawyer could prosecute this case against Obama and be done with it, with a win in 30 minutes. It's that simple.

Then, Obama would be removed from office. Criminal charges would be filed on many counts stemming from many seperate offenses.
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this cunt is as dump as OP, fuck glp is full of tards tonight. enjoy your moose chili.
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Bad grammar.

It would be safe to assume that you aren't adding anything of substance to this thread.
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Birthright citizenship

The fourteenth amendment GRANTS that ALL persons born within US territories shall be US citizens, regardless of parentage.

_

That's how they getcha. Before the 14th we were state citizens. Even after they really didn't have total control until the social security numbers (1930s), and the IRS (1913).
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That is not the same as a natural born citizen.

I will refer you back to the first post.
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With 12 million illegal aliens running around....what citizenship problem....
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Who are these people who voted for and still fully support Barry Soetoro?

Very simple, the willfully ignorant illiterate, and the generational Ivy League pack.

Both groups are some of the most dangerously stupid people on this planet and are barely deserving of oxygen but certainly not the right to vote.
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Maybe this will help.....its very short.


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With 12 million illegal aliens running around....what citizenship problem....
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You'll have a REAL problem if one of those Reconquista's takes a hint from the Obamanation and decides to run for president, now won't you?
"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand
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I don't get it, could you please type slower?
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Yes, it is too damned hard for them to comprehend. There can be no other conclusion. LOL
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