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Christians are admonished to withdraw from those who walk contrary to sound doctrine. There's a penalty to the believer who doesn't obey.

 
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Christians are admonished to withdraw from those who walk contrary to sound doctrine. There's a penalty to the believer who doesn't obey.
1Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."

2John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

The average Christian does not understand the importance of proper doctrine. Because of this, they are usually vulnerable to false doctrine. False doctrine purported by false teachers carries severe consequences for the believer. False doctrine is not only a means by which a person becomes an enemy of God, but it is also a cause of spiritual blindness. When spiritual blindness overcomes a believer, the simple truth of the gospel becomes difficult to ascertain:

2Corinthians 11:3-4 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted."

Those most beguiled by false doctrine are those most unstable in truth:

Ephesian 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive"

Romans 16:18 "....and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

The beguiled will even begin to hate those who teach the truth:

John 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth."

Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

Apostle John warns us to "try the spirits" by means of the word of God. Jesus even tells us that we can know false teachers by their fruit (Mat 7:16). Determining what fruit men bear is necessary because "many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1John 4:1). This is the Christian duty.

It is not just the duty to determine fruit, but to "present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is [our] reasonable service" (Rom 12:1). This "reasonable service" includes the understanding of proper doctrine:

II Timothy 3:16-17, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect (complete) throughly furnished unto all good works."

Believers are exhorted to have no fellowship with false teachers:

Ephesians 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

Titus 3:10-11 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Romans 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2Thessalonians 3:14-15 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

These same teachers serve only themselves:

Romans 16:18 "For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

They are proud and the cause of much division among believers:

1Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth..."

They suppose that godliness is determined by how much stuff one possesses (money, talent, congregation members, etc):

1Timothy 6:5 "....supposing that gain is godliness..."

They do not accept contentment with just food and clothing:

1Timothy 6:6-8 "But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content."

Hebrews 13:5 "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."

Philipians 4:11 "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."

Believers are not to bid those who walk contrary to sound doctrine a farewell nor accept them into their home. When a believer does not behave as prescribed toward those who walk contrary to sound doctrine, then that believer is partaking in his evil deeds:

2John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Let no man tell you otherwise:

Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

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what? and this is the reward?: [link to www.youtube.com]
60 milions of Christians were murdered by Jews in Soviet Russia just because being Christian.
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what? and this is the reward?: [link to www.youtube.com]
60 milions of Christians were murdered by Jews in Soviet Russia just because being Christian.
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60 million? I highly doubt the number of Christians was ever that high during any period of time.
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The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
-- John 3:35

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
-- John 6:37

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
-- John 12:32
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60 million? I highly doubt the number of Christians was ever that high during any period of time.
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Luke 13:23-24 "Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."

Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Deuteronomy 7:6-7 "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people"

Exodus 19:5-6 "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

1Peter 2:9-10 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
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Remember to go against the Church is to go against God.
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The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
-- John 3:35
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Romans 8:32 "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?"

This verse proves that I'll eventually become God.

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
-- John 6:37
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They who come to Christ are his sheep:

John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"

There are those who are not his sheep:

John 10:26 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

Matthew 25:32-33 "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
-- John 12:32
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*All* refers to variety

Revelation 5:9 "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"

Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Ransom was for *many*

Mark 10:45 "For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

Isaiah 53:11 "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."

Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
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Do not shun.
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God Is Fake, Deal with it retards.
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God Is Fake, Deal with it retards.
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Religion may be fake. God is real.
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God Is Fake, Deal with it retards.
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God is fake according to you..laughable to no end.
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The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
-- John 3:35
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And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
-- John 12:32
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387025


Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
 Quoting: Philemon


Notice the identifier ALL.

God does not shun what comes forth. However, what comes forth may shun the Father.

God does not shun.

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The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
-- John 3:35
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387025


And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
-- John 12:32
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387025


Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
 Quoting: Philemon


Notice the identifier ALL.

God does not shun what comes forth. However, what comes forth may shun the Father.

God does not shun.
 Quoting: Aleilius


I agree that God does not shun what comes forth. But what comes forth is brought only by God:

Romans 3:11 "There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
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However, what comes forth may shun the Father.
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And what comes forth of the Father will not be lost:

John 6:38-39 "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

1Peter 1:5 "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Jude 1:1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called"
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And what comes forth of the Father will not be lost:

John 6:38-39 "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."
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The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
-- John 3:35
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Christianity was created by man, and, as usual, fear is the motivation. Do this - or you will suffer the consequences.
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Christians are admonished to withdraw from those who walk contrary to sound doctrine.
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You do realize there's a lot of doctrine-contrary walkers here at GLP, right?

So, why are you still here? Aren't you supposed to withdraw already?
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Bible way to Heaven
Know your a sinner
Rom 3:23 KJV - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
realize the penalty for Sin..hell
Rev 21:7 KJV - He that overcometh, shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my sonne.
Rev 21:8 KJV - But the feareful, and unbeleeving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone , which is the second death.
Who is he that overcometh?
1Jo 5:5 KJV - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Jesus was born of a virgin lived a sinless life, the life that none of us could live, was crucified by hes own people he died and went to hell, rose again on the third day so you do not have to go there...
Rom 5:8 KJV - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus wants to give us the Gift of eternal Life for free!!
Rom 6:23 KJV - For the wages of sin [is] death: but the gift of God [is] eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So why not call upon him and make him your saviour.. its a free gift and once your saved you have passed from death to life... you will live forever..
Jhn 5:24 KJV - Verily, verily I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 10:9 KJV - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 KJV - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 KJV - For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him, shall not be ashamed.

Heres a simple prayer which if you mean it with your heart will see you saved and on your way to heaven..
Dear Jesus I know im a sinner , I know i deserve to goto Hell, but I realize you died and rose again please forgive my sin and take me to heaven when i die.. im only trusting you Jesus Amen..

Salvation is easy and Free.
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Christians are admonished to withdraw from those who walk contrary to sound doctrine.
 Quoting: Philemon


You do realize there's a lot of doctrine-contrary walkers here at GLP, right?

So, why are you still here? Aren't you supposed to withdraw already?
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That's the same message from the F@@@@in church . The problem is the pedophilia , the lies , the sexual exploitation , the riches of the church , the money laundering , the arms sales , the banking with USURY , the richest bachelor in the world in ROME , The concentration camps run by the catholic church during WW2 , the corruption , the pope that tells DOG to install LIMBO and then recently it told DOG do get rid of LIMBO . I could go on and on about the religious BS , but I stop here .
Signed : GOD
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Do not shun.
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Jesus did not shun the whores and the sinners and the tax-collectors. Instead, He drank and partied with them.

Go thou and do likewise.
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Christians are admonished to withdraw from those who walk contrary to sound doctrine.
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You do realize there's a lot of doctrine-contrary walkers here at GLP, right?

So, why are you still here? Aren't you supposed to withdraw already?
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He's not afraid of the penalty for not obeying that!!!!
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1Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."

2John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

The average Christian does not understand the importance of proper doctrine. Because of this, they are usually vulnerable to false doctrine. False doctrine purported by false teachers carries severe consequences for the believer. False doctrine is not only a means by which a person becomes an enemy of God, but it is also a cause of spiritual blindness. When spiritual blindness overcomes a believer, the simple truth of the gospel becomes difficult to ascertain:

2Corinthians 11:3-4 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted."

Those most beguiled by false doctrine are those most unstable in truth:

Ephesian 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive"

Romans 16:18 "....and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

The beguiled will even begin to hate those who teach the truth:

John 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth."

Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

Apostle John warns us to "try the spirits" by means of the word of God. Jesus even tells us that we can know false teachers by their fruit (Mat 7:16). Determining what fruit men bear is necessary because "many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1John 4:1). This is the Christian duty.

It is not just the duty to determine fruit, but to "present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is [our] reasonable service" (Rom 12:1). This "reasonable service" includes the understanding of proper doctrine:

II Timothy 3:16-17, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect (complete) throughly furnished unto all good works."

Believers are exhorted to have no fellowship with false teachers:

Ephesians 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

Titus 3:10-11 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Romans 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2Thessalonians 3:14-15 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

These same teachers serve only themselves:

Romans 16:18 "For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

They are proud and the cause of much division among believers:

1Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth..."

They suppose that godliness is determined by how much stuff one possesses (money, talent, congregation members, etc):

1Timothy 6:3-5 "....supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. "

They do not accept contentment with just food and clothing:

1Timothy 6:6-8 "But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content."

Hebrews 13:5 "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."

Philipians 4:11 "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."

Believers are not to bid those who walk contrary to sound doctrine a farewell nor accept them into their home. When a believer does not behave as prescribed toward those who walk contrary to sound doctrine, then that believer is partaking in his evil deeds:

2John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Let no man tell you otherwise:

Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
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You do realize that organized religion is used to control the dumb people in this world? Have fun falling for the catholic church. (Who do you think the bible came from)
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And what comes forth of the Father will not be lost:

John 6:38-39 "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."
 Quoting: Philemon


The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
-- John 3:35
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1182599


John 6:38-39 "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

The word "lose" in the above verse is the Greek "apollumi" and means to destroy fully. The same word is translated as "lost" in the following verse:

John 17:12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

Judas was lost, yet both verses state that not one which were given of the Father were lost:

John 18:9 "That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none."

Apollumi in the noun form (apo leia) is the word translated as "perdition" in verse 12 and as "destruction" in the following verses:

Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat"

Romans 9:22 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction"

And are addressed as the ones whom God has no mercy for:

Romans 9:17-18 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

Romans 9:19 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
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You do realize that organized religion is used to control the dumb people in this world? Have fun falling for the catholic church. (Who do you think the bible came from)
 Quoting: komi54


The bible I read teaches heavily against Roman Catholicism. Your point would make better sense if such were not the case.
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1Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."

2John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

The average Christian does not understand the importance of proper doctrine. Because of this, they are usually vulnerable to false doctrine. False doctrine purported by false teachers carries severe consequences for the believer. False doctrine is not only a means by which a person becomes an enemy of God, but it is also a cause of spiritual blindness. When spiritual blindness overcomes a believer, the simple truth of the gospel becomes difficult to ascertain:

2Corinthians 11:3-4 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted."

Those most beguiled by false doctrine are those most unstable in truth:

Ephesian 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive"

Romans 16:18 "....and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

The beguiled will even begin to hate those who teach the truth:

John 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth."

Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

Apostle John warns us to "try the spirits" by means of the word of God. Jesus even tells us that we can know false teachers by their fruit (Mat 7:16). Determining what fruit men bear is necessary because "many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1John 4:1). This is the Christian duty.

It is not just the duty to determine fruit, but to "present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is [our] reasonable service" (Rom 12:1). This "reasonable service" includes the understanding of proper doctrine:

II Timothy 3:16-17, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect (complete) throughly furnished unto all good works."

Believers are exhorted to have no fellowship with false teachers:

Ephesians 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

Titus 3:10-11 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Romans 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2Thessalonians 3:14-15 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

These same teachers serve only themselves:

Romans 16:18 "For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

They are proud and the cause of much division among believers:

1Timothy 6:3-5 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth..."

They suppose that godliness is determined by how much stuff one possesses (money, talent, congregation members, etc):

1Timothy 6:3-5 "....supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. "

They do not accept contentment with just food and clothing:

1Timothy 6:6-8 "But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content."

Hebrews 13:5 "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."

Philipians 4:11 "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."

Believers are not to bid those who walk contrary to sound doctrine a farewell nor accept them into their home. When a believer does not behave as prescribed toward those who walk contrary to sound doctrine, then that believer is partaking in his evil deeds:

2John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Let no man tell you otherwise:

Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
 Quoting: Philemon

You do realize that organized religion is used to control the dumb people in this world? Have fun falling for the catholic church. (Who do you think the bible came from)
 Quoting: komi54





Yeah, first of all, the Catholic church is not the true church, it is the great whore, the counterfeit church. and it is evil.

Second, the media controls dumb people much more effectively than organized religion, and has captivated more than all the churches combined, and then some.

Thirdly, the Catholic church did not write the bible. The bible is much much older than the Catholic church, and was written by 40 different authors, the last ones lived till about 90 AD, some 200 years before the Catholic church began. But a simple education will teach you that.
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What does the good book say about those who stand idly by while the murder of innocents occurs in Gods name?

What does the good book say about apathy?

How does one come to terms before God when the individual is guilty of aiding and even encouraging the slaughter of innocent people?
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Thirdly, the Catholic church did not write the bible. The bible is much much older than the Catholic church, and was written by 40 different authors, the last ones lived till about 90 AD, some 200 years before the Catholic church began. But a simple education will teach you that.
 Quoting: Wingedlion


The Roman Catholic Church wasn't there, that was the Orthodox Church. The Roman Catholic Church didn't begin until the Great Schism in 1054. But Roman Catholics don't like admitting this history.
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What does the good book say about those who stand idly by while the murder of innocents occurs in Gods name?

What does the good book say about apathy?

How does one come to terms before God when the individual is guilty of aiding and even encouraging the slaughter of innocent people?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387108


Not sure what you're referring to.
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No one have the right to call himself a christian if he is not following the gospel of Jesus. Those who call themself christian now, are not. They are bible beleivers. Jesus came to give us a new convenent and asked Peter to become is first pope. Peter created the catholic church. All other christian religion are fake. They don't follow Jesus gospel. They were created for the peoples who coudn't respect the true gospel. Love your god with all your heart and your neighbor like yourself. How much christian can said that they follow this law when you see them with the bible in one hand and a gun in the other hand.
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No one have the right to call himself a christian if he is not following the gospel of Jesus. Those who call themself christian now, are not. They are bible beleivers. Jesus came to give us a new convenent and asked Peter to become is first pope. Peter created the catholic church. All other christian religion are fake. They don't follow Jesus gospel. They were created for the peoples who coudn't respect the true gospel. Love your god with all your heart and your neighbor like yourself. How much christian can said that they follow this law when you see them with the bible in one hand and a gun in the other hand.
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But Peter was not the first pope, and Jesus never instituted Peter as the first pope. Historically Peter was not given any more authority over the church than any other minister, and he certainly did not see himself as the "vicar of Christ" we all are suppose to be the vicar of Christ. We call it the priesthood of the believer, where every believer is given access to the throne of God through Jesus Christ the mediator between God and man, not the Pope.
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