[PIN] Alert!! How Elenin causes earthquake - 138x Tidal Force in late Sep than Mar 11!!! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1388130 China 05/18/2011 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: R...duh and not only physical that's astrology for ya but we knew that, let's move on to op's "wilder" claims What was stated has no connection with mythological astrology, this is pure fact. In the past science was to focused on large things when in fact it is the smaller seeming intangibles that have the greatest effect on all things. It is the patterns of small moments in the background chaos that give clue to events of a grander magnitude. This comet will not have any major effect on the orbital mechanics or gravitational influences in or out of stellar. Though the eccentricity and timing of it could be an indicator/pre-cursor to a larger event unfolding. So keep a close eye on other activities without too much focus on this singularity. The butterfly effect... Space isn't empty, it's fluid in motion! good discussion :) |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1322561 United States 05/18/2011 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Nope...never! At least you're honest, but it will put the nail in the coffin of this nonsense whether you admit it or not. |
Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The butterfly effect... Space isn't empty, it's fluid in motion! You posses a rare and beautiful mind. Thank you, usually I'm seen as being delusional.. hahaha Last Edited by Antares~"*" on 05/18/2011 10:45 AM |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1322561 United States 05/18/2011 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Could you please keep us posted on that occasion? Oh, don't worry, I will. Come hell or high water I'll find a way to get an image of it on or after friday to show it's still where it should be and intact. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 997861 United States 05/18/2011 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For something to effect the Sun it must be a large or dense/medium large entity. jmo |
R... User ID: 572408 Netherlands 05/18/2011 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Could you please keep us posted on that occasion? Oh, don't worry, I will. Come hell or high water I'll find a way to get an image of it on or after friday to show it's still where it should be and intact. determination beforehand is never scientifically good ;) "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is too large to be effected by small bodies. The Sun is effected by larger things like galaxies, dust fields, and stellar planes. Only when up close can small bodies effect it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997861For something to effect the Sun it must be a large or dense/medium large entity. jmo Actually, I think sunspots are caused by the planets. It's cyclical just like their orbital patterns! |
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Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1322561 United States 05/18/2011 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Nope...never! Well, maybe; but you're fun to pick on! :) Back up just a minute...are you saying we are supposed to see something FRIDAY to confirm or deny what the OP is saying here?! You better expound on this before you get accused to spreading rumors! [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] The comet's going to pass a hundred times closer to this asteroid than it will to earth, and it will also pelt the asteroid directly with its tail (which also means the comet will be between the asteroid and the sun). If the OP is right and that kind of alignment at that close of a distance is something to worry about, this asteroid's position should be perturbed and perhaps it should even break up altogether. Instead it's going to be mighty uneventful. Last Edited by Astromut on 05/18/2011 10:53 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1388130 China 05/18/2011 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is too large to be effected by small bodies. The Sun is effected by larger things like galaxies, dust fields, and stellar planes. Only when up close can small bodies effect it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997861For something to effect the Sun it must be a large or dense/medium large entity. jmo Actually, I think sunspots are caused by the planets. It's cyclical just like their orbital patterns! What events unfold to cause solar max/min period??? |
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Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looking at JPL it's a shame we cannot compare the influence on another planet before it gets to us. Should be possible to see any EQs happening on ie. Mercury, but it looks like we're next in line... Quoting: YddapGood question! I am only aware that all planets are undergoing some type of "global warming" due to unusual Solar activities. I'll try to find out if there are any similar earthquakes on Mars with planetary alignments. |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And beyond minor planetary interactions lay a deeply mysterious force that influences gravitational ponds, beneath the electron level. Interactions change, not necessarily become stronger. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388130Could you elaborate it? |
Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Sun is too large to be effected by small bodies. The Sun is effected by larger things like galaxies, dust fields, and stellar planes. Only when up close can small bodies effect it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997861For something to effect the Sun it must be a large or dense/medium large entity. jmo Actually, I think sunspots are caused by the planets. It's cyclical just like their orbital patterns! What events unfold to cause solar max/min period??? Angular momentum... Each planet has a different rotational axis, which matches their gravity field axis.. Earth's axis is tilted at 23 degrees, so is it's gravity field. Keep in mind that this is just a theory! Jupiter completes one orbit every 12 years, in conjunction with the solar max/min. Last Edited by Antares~"*" on 05/18/2011 11:06 AM |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you check to see if the same held true for the Haiti earthquake?? Quoting: AmazingGRACESorry my Acrobat is not working now :-(. You can check Omerbashich's paper by yourself, it's included in the paper I think. [link to arxiv.org] However, I don't think we can find strong correlation for all M7 earthquakes. The correlation becomes clear for M8+. |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Question ? You seem very Knowlegable. Quoting: revealerofsecretsCould the earth at one time had a water expanse that existed above the earth. Is that pysically possible. the holy Bible indicates that there was a water expance above the earth. this fell during the deluge or flood. in fact the word deluge means to flood or fall Any thoughts Wow... I don't know that. I don't know what will happen in Sep 25-28. I only know the tidal force on Sun is >100 times than Mar 11. |
CE User ID: 1388130 China 05/18/2011 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And beyond minor planetary interactions lay a deeply mysterious force that influences gravitational ponds, beneath the electron level. Interactions change, not necessarily become stronger. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388130Could you elaborate it? hmmm, not really, but I can leave you with a very simple analogy. What is the effect on human muscle when electrical energy is turned up or down? Contraction and expansion right! Similar to heat on varying object, Contraction and expansion. Certain magnets loose heavy gravitation influence as they near 0 Kelvin (same temperature as space). That all I will say for now, cause and effect primarily contributed at the subatomic level. |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Theoretically, we can calculate the intruder's mass by checking the perturbation of the orbits of other planets. Quoting: Geophysical EventsElenin's mass is so low, it won't even detectably perturb asteroids it passes only 0.002 AUs from. May 20th, Friday, asteroid 1999 RQ176 will be only 338,403 km from Elenin and will pass through its tail. Even so, any gravitational perturbation will be below our ability to detect, meaning Elenin's mass must be very low compared to a planet. [link to spaceobs.org] Great Found! Let's see on May 20th. Actually, if Elenin is really that heavy, the asteroid within Roche Limit will be disintegrated by tidal force. Thanks |
^Watcher^ User ID: 1383718 United States 05/18/2011 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: AstronutWhen Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Nope...never! Well, maybe; but you're fun to pick on! :) Back up just a minute...are you saying we are supposed to see something FRIDAY to confirm or deny what the OP is saying here?! You better expound on this before you get accused to spreading rumors! [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] The comet's going to pass a hundred times closer to this asteroid than it will to earth, and it will also pelt the asteroid directly with its tail (which also means the comet will be between the asteroid and the sun). If the OP is right and that kind of alignment at that close of a distance is something to worry about, this asteroid's position should be perturbed and perhaps it should even break up altogether. Instead it's going to be mighty uneventful. Well, I will apologize to you if that asteroid is unperturbed come Saturday (this date is looking more and more interesting lately...hehe). BUT if it IS perturbed then we expect you to come here and admit YOU were wrong! Your apology and admission of guilt would go a long way to prove you are not on the government's payroll to debunk every last one of these discussions. Also, if it IS moved out of it's place, we would appreciate your NOT coming here and giving us some bogus patent government answer or explanation to minimize the impact of this event. Some of us are grown-ups here and want the truth if, for no other reason, to have a little more time to give our children some last minute happy memories (i.e., we would take our kids on an elaborate, fun family trip with the money we have saved for our retirement! just sayin') I hope this is a non-event, but if it is please man-up and do us that favor...no double-talk! ~ Thanks! |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ==> In Sep 25-28, Elenin's tidal force on Sun will be (3.1/0.6)^3 ~= 138 TIMES compared to Mar 11, 2011! Quoting: Geophysical EventsIf it's true, Hollywood disaster movies look like picnic. People are going to be awfully disappointed when it doesn't happen. I'm sure those responsible though will be given a completely clean slate and absolute credibility for the next doom date though... Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! GREAT JOB and thanks for the info!!! If anyone is more prepared for what is coming it will be NO THANKS to our governments or the people they pay to keep this under-wraps! It will be thanks to people like you who actually think for yourself (right or wrong) and put the info out there for others to do the same! Thank you. I read a lot of your posts before. However, I hope Astronut can eventually debunk this AGAIN. |
Antares User ID: 1064752 Canada 05/18/2011 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Off topic, but somehow seems relevant... An old theory of mine that I've been working on... Though it seems to be grasping at straws, nonetheless, it's a workable theory. "First thing to understand is; all measurements of time are calculated by our perception of "earth time". Universal time is unknown, due to not knowing when it started. Secondly, this is only a theory!! Based on Earth time, the previous calculations of planetary orbits have given a general aging equation of all nine known planets. In Earth time, Sol has a rotational period of 25 Earth days; this is the amount of time it takes for Sol to rotate around itself. It's determined as a year due to Sol being the center point. This time period is a Solar year. Sol- 1r/ 25.4=1Sy o- Orbital Period (days to orbit) Pr- Planetary Rotation Sy- Solar Year (25.4 days) S/P ra- Sol/Planet Ratio I have calculated the S/P ratio for each of the nine known planets, as well as their ages in relation to how many rotations Sol has completed. Sol and Mercury have a ratio of 3.5:1 Sol rotates 3.5 times for every 1 Mercury orbit. With this ratio, Mercury ages 3.5 Solar years with every orbit. Mercury o= 87.6= 1Pr o x Sy= 3.5 ra= 3.5:1 The proposed aging sequence of Mercury would be 3.5 years per planetary orbit. Venus; 9 years per orbit o= 226.3= 1Pr o x Sy= 9.04 ra= 9:1 Earth; 14 years per orbit o= 365= 1Pr o x Sy= 14.6 ra=14:1 Mars; 15 years per orbit o= 375.9= 1Pr o x Sy= 15.04 ra= 15:1 Jupiter; 174 years per orbit o= 4343.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 173.7 ra= 174:1 Saturn; 429 years per orbit o= 10731= 1Pr o x Sy= 429 ra= 429:1 Uranus; 1222 years per orbit o= 30550.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 1222 ra= 1222:1 Neptune; 2390 years per orbit o= 59750.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 2390 ra= 2390:1 Pluto/Charon; 3621 years per orbit o= 90520= 1Pr o x Sy= 3621:1 **Notice that Pluto/Charon have an orbital period of 3621 Solar years!** We age 14.6 Solar years for every Earth year. How old are you??" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1388130 China 05/18/2011 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Off topic, but somehow seems relevant... Quoting: AntaresAn old theory of mine that I've been working on... Though it seems to be grasping at straws, nonetheless, it's a workable theory. "First thing to understand is; all measurements of time are calculated by our perception of "earth time". Universal time is unknown, due to not knowing when it started. Secondly, this is only a theory!! Based on Earth time, the previous calculations of planetary orbits have given a general aging equation of all nine known planets. In Earth time, Sol has a rotational period of 25 Earth days; this is the amount of time it takes for Sol to rotate around itself. It's determined as a year due to Sol being the center point. This time period is a Solar year. Sol- 1r/ 25.4=1Sy o- Orbital Period (days to orbit) Pr- Planetary Rotation Sy- Solar Year (25.4 days) S/P ra- Sol/Planet Ratio I have calculated the S/P ratio for each of the nine known planets, as well as their ages in relation to how many rotations Sol has completed. Sol and Mercury have a ratio of 3.5:1 Sol rotates 3.5 times for every 1 Mercury orbit. With this ratio, Mercury ages 3.5 Solar years with every orbit. Mercury o= 87.6= 1Pr o x Sy= 3.5 ra= 3.5:1 The proposed aging sequence of Mercury would be 3.5 years per planetary orbit. Venus; 9 years per orbit o= 226.3= 1Pr o x Sy= 9.04 ra= 9:1 Earth; 14 years per orbit o= 365= 1Pr o x Sy= 14.6 ra=14:1 Mars; 15 years per orbit o= 375.9= 1Pr o x Sy= 15.04 ra= 15:1 Jupiter; 174 years per orbit o= 4343.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 173.7 ra= 174:1 Saturn; 429 years per orbit o= 10731= 1Pr o x Sy= 429 ra= 429:1 Uranus; 1222 years per orbit o= 30550.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 1222 ra= 1222:1 Neptune; 2390 years per orbit o= 59750.5= 1Pr o x Sy= 2390 ra= 2390:1 Pluto/Charon; 3621 years per orbit o= 90520= 1Pr o x Sy= 3621:1 **Notice that Pluto/Charon have an orbital period of 3621 Solar years!** We age 14.6 Solar years for every Earth year. How old are you??" And what is the orbital period for Sedna and Quaor? Great work by the way and no, you are so not delusional. dont ever think that for a moment. Is it a coincidence that Jupiter is in sync with Sol Min/Max? Outside of Our heliosphere what other events are synchronized with this? |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Yes, let's see. I hope you are right. This event on Fri can verify whether Elenin has strong gravitational field. (If Elenin doesn't, it still may have strong electromagnetic field. But it would be TRICKY to analyze) But can we observe those two objects (Elenin / RQ176) directly on the sky with civilian telescopes or just read from official source? If we want to overthrown the fact that 3 M8+ EQs in the past 2 years are very likely to be induced by Elenin, we need solid evidence to prove the Elenin is harmless. |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So is Paraguay the safe zone? Bush hid so much financial doom, he must have known something. Quoting: pieWill Elenin crush our water supplies too? [link to www.counterpunch.org] Let's see if the elites will move in Sep. I don't know if Elenin is the wormwood, red dragon, etc. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1388804 Australia 05/18/2011 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, the fact that you flushed out Astronut (whose job is to report to every serious Elenin thread and debunk) and ^THIS^ is the best he could do means you must be on to something! Quoting: ^Watcher^When Friday comes and goes and 1999 RQ176 is still intact and unperturbed, what will you say for yourself then? Will you admit I was right and apologize to me? Yes, let's see. I hope you are right. This event on Fri can verify whether Elenin has strong gravitational field. (If Elenin doesn't, it still may have strong electromagnetic field. But it would be TRICKY to analyze) But can we observe those two objects (Elenin / RQ176) directly on the sky with civilian telescopes or just read from official source? If we want to overthrown the fact that 3 M8+ EQs in the past 2 years are very likely to be induced by Elenin, we need solid evidence to prove the Elenin is harmless. lets wait for friday |
R... User ID: 572408 Netherlands 05/18/2011 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Theoretically, we can calculate the intruder's mass by checking the perturbation of the orbits of other planets. Quoting: Geophysical EventsElenin's mass is so low, it won't even detectably perturb asteroids it passes only 0.002 AUs from. May 20th, Friday, asteroid 1999 RQ176 will be only 338,403 km from Elenin and will pass through its tail. Even so, any gravitational perturbation will be below our ability to detect, meaning Elenin's mass must be very low compared to a planet. [link to spaceobs.org] Great Found! Let's see on May 20th. Actually, if Elenin is really that heavy, the asteroid within Roche Limit will be disintegrated by tidal force. Thanks sorry, but he's saying the mass of Elenin is LOw "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
Anyonymous User ID: 1388808 United States 05/18/2011 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you check to see if the same held true for the Haiti earthquake?? Quoting: AmazingGRACE[link to www.solarsystemscope.com] I liked OP's concept then you posted this link. Checked out Oct 29th 2011 link looking at the alignment... cool... Then checked on alignment for japan mar11. uh... ok.... Well, the only thing that struck me was Mercury was aligned on the opposite side of the sun in both cases. Cool, randomn check. Spin mercury around to some random time in recent past where it is on the opposite side of the sun from earth... Check what happened on the news around that time.. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Feb22,2011 Ok July 4th 2003... No earthquakes entire month listed so nothing notable. March 22nd 2003. No notable earthquakes for month April 2nd 2002. No notable earthquakes. Haiti earthquake Jan 10, 2010. Not mercury but Venus is aligned on opposite side of the sun. Christ Church, Oct 13, 2010. Mercury aligned Random hypothesis, We are recently in an unstable state where the effects OP is suggesting can be directly related to the alignment of planets on the x <sun> <earth>. Now I don't have much for the elenin concept... It's just there. Ok, never posted before but got that !!!! feeling when I spot checked and every random time I found using the alignment was marked with a notable earthquake. Off to work now :) |
Geophysical Events (OP) User ID: 1388728 Taiwan 05/18/2011 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might have something to do with the mass to density relationship. Earth for example, is far more dense than Jupiter or Saturn.. the magnetic connection could be strengthened by this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1385801good one did you calculate this in, taiwanees person op? No, I didn't consider electromagnetic force from other planets. If we can prove that Elenin has little mass, then I need to turn into it reluctantly. |