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CAN THEY GET ANY LOWER??? US GOVT ARGUES IN COURT OF LAW THAT GOVT HAS RIGHT TO LIE UNDER OATH

 
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Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court:

[link to wikispooks.com]

And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt.
 Quoting: Seamus


Look. if you live a lie...you will defend the lie. Do you foolishly think it's plausible that people suddenly tell the truth when questioned by the law system...please wake up? These people are delusional and their lies actually become truth and reality ..even to themselves. Check out how all people can believe in so many lies...it’s human nature I’m afraid!
 Quoting: humanitech


I understand the lie they live and support for a paycheck.

What is remarkable about this document is that a sitting judge put it on the record for all to see.

Allow me to quote it again:
".... the court found the Government, and Mr. Hardy (har har - if you want a laugh look up Mr Hardy and see what his specific job is in the FBI -it is there for all to see and I have no doubt he's also CIA/NSA; again due in part to his specific task with the FBI) to have provided FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION TO THE COURT THROUGH SWORN STATEMENTS. When the deception was revealed, the Governmnet ARGUED IT HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MISLEAD..... "

It does not surprise me that ANYONE associated with the US Govt (or any nation's Govt) lies to support the Big Lie. The '''News''' is a lie. Television's purpose is to control, shield, and obfuscate. Ditto 'news'papers. Ditto talk radio.

Just as the Banking/MultiNational Corp Class controls the boobs in congress and the white house.

So those at the lower end (Hardy har har) will of course lie at every turn. He is a whore. It is what he's paid to do. There are millions more no better or worse than him.
'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men,
they create for themselves, in the course of time,
a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.'
Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law'
1850

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"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times
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"The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834)
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Insert Gomer here

"SurPRISE SurPRISE SurPRISE"
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 Quoting: Seamus


Nothing new, cops have been able to lie all the time, now the feds want in on it too :-)
What can WE do as individuals? NOTHING. As a group, sign petitions for redress of congress. Short of that, vote out the bastards...
 Quoting: GeekOfTheWeek


Actually it is new... unless you can point to a previous incident where a judge has put into writing the Federal Govt's claim that their agents have a right to lie under oath when it suits Govt interests.
 Quoting: Seamus


Permission to lie with no fear of prosecution for perjury since 1983

BRISCOE V. LAHUE, 460 U. S. 325 (1983)
[link to supreme.justia.com]


hf
 Quoting: Forever the Student 1269970


Similar but this case says you can't sue an agent of the govt for damages after his or her LIES put your ass in jail.

No question though, the case you quote also supports the thesis that The System allows its agents to lie in support of The System and further it will shield the agent from monetary damages should the lie be made public.

That's how I read it, anyway.
'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men,
they create for themselves, in the course of time,
a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.'
Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law'
1850

++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times
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"The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834)
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MODS, I screwed up! Did not mean to suggest unpin. Not paying enough attention. Please disregard and forgive for oversight. (not getting enough sleep)
 Quoting: Bean There 1359029


it's okay, i did it once and freaked out also.

replacement pin for you.

:bigpin:
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Thanks much. You are sweet, you know.
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Wow. Just fucking wow.
 Quoting: Bigbayou87


My thoughts exactly.

I've never begged for a pin but really, this should be pinned for the next month.

For anyone too lazy to click the link, here is a portion of the relevant info, verbatim:
"The Court found the Govt, and Mr. Hardy specifically (Hardy Har Har is a CIA Agent) to have PROVIDED FALSE AND MISLEADING statements to the Court through SWORN STATEMENTS. When the DECEPTION WAS REVEALED, THE GOVT ARGUED THAT IT HAD AUTHORITY TO MISLEAD THE COURT..."
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Hope and change...
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Why are you arguing this?

"...The government argued it had the authority to mislead the court and requested and opportunity to brief the issue. Ultimately the court rejected the contention and held that the government's duty of honesty to the court can never be excused no matter what the circumstance."

Enough said.
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READ THE WHOLE THING>>>>

I Quote "" Ultimately the Court REJECTED the contention & held that the " Government's duty of honesty to the Court can NEVER be excused, no matter the circumstance.""

The reason the court was requiring them to PUT IT IN WRITING is because then after having admitted that the statements made by the Agent were false, and having condemned the legitimacy of the Defendants claim to immunity for making such false statements under the guise of National Security, the Court would have Nail that Government Bastard to the wall once the submissions were in writing and were found to be false.

UnPin this made up, tabloid type post.
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Force representatives out, this will end. We can save the country so we can rise up and save the world.
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If the government think they may lie against us, we have the right to think , they never have spoken the truth against us!
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Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court:

[link to wikispooks.com]

And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt.
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"In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise...
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Permission to lie with no fear of prosecution for perjury since 1983

BRISCOE V. LAHUE, 460 U. S. 325 (1983)
[link to supreme.justia.com]


hf
 Quoting: Forever the Student 1269970


Similar but this case says you can't sue an agent of the govt for damages after his or her LIES put your ass in jail.

No question though, the case you quote also supports the thesis that The System allows its agents to lie in support of The System and further it will shield the agent from monetary damages should the lie be made public.

That's how I read it, anyway.
 Quoting: Seamus


yep... you got it... (thanks for taking the time to read it !)


per your quote of the article above:

Allow me to quote it again:
".... the court found the Government, and Mr. Hardy to have provided FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION TO THE COURT THROUGH SWORN STATEMENTS. When the deception [LIE] was revealed, the Governmnet ARGUED IT HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MISLEAD [LIE]..... "

 Quoting: Seamus


[EMPHASIS MINE]


hf
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Why are you arguing this?

"...The government argued it had the authority to mislead the court and requested and opportunity to brief the issue. Ultimately the court rejected the contention and held that the government's duty of honesty to the court can never be excused no matter what the circumstance."

Enough said.
 Quoting: Queen Nefretitty


yep, the gov is trying to protect our rights by denying them to us. can't you people understand this?
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If you understand the State, this is a very natural outcome. This guy explains it pretty well:

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They're just comin clean with what they have been doing for as long as I can remember. Bout time!
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Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court:

[link to wikispooks.com]

And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt.
 Quoting: Seamus


bump
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the bottom line of them? there's no bottom line.
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Why yes yes THEY can!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1351570


Those of us with any intelligence know these cocksuckers will lie, cheat and steal at every turn.

What is utterly amazing about this is it is now out in the open for all to see.

I wonder (facetiously) if this is set for the front page (or any page) of the NY Times or WAPost? Was it on CNN tonight? Fox? MSNBC? Rush Limbo???
 Quoting: Seamus


How can the Government lie to itself?

This is double speak at its greatest, FFS people.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


^^the government doesn't even trust itself these days, and apparently they can't. so what does that tell us, when one corrupt branch of the government...is lying to the other corrupt branches government...under oath...openly stating that they "HAVE THE AUTHORITY" to mislead the court.

thankfully the judge told them to shove that bit o bullshit right back where they pulled it out of. now just keep an eye to make sure he doesnt or hasnt disappeared agent
grab your torch and pitchforks people. its about time to run these bastards outta here.
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any govt "agency" is above the law and cannot be prosecuted for perjury. i found that out while fighting ocs.(the louisiana branch of child protection agency). even when i proved they intenionally lied under oath, the judge researched and found there was not a damn thing she could do about it and their testimony had to be entered into the record.rant
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bsflag

READ THE WHOLE THING>>>>

I Quote "" Ultimately the Court REJECTED the contention & held that the " Government's duty of honesty to the Court can NEVER be excused, no matter the circumstance.""

The reason the court was requiring them to PUT IT IN WRITING is because then after having admitted that the statements made by the Agent were false, and having condemned the legitimacy of the Defendants claim to immunity for making such false statements under the guise of National Security, the Court would have Nail that Government Bastard to the wall once the submissions were in writing and were found to be false.

UnPin this made up, tabloid type post.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1391257


YOU are an idiot.

Dipshit, the point isn't that the Court (a Judge) said the govt can't get away with lying under oath and then admitting it in his specific courtroom,

the point is the US GOVT ARGUED ITS AGENTS CAN LIE UNDER OATH AT WILL!!!!
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Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court:

[link to wikispooks.com]

And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt.
 Quoting: Seamus


LMAO, go overboard much?

Right there between the high-lights on page 2 and 3, it says the court rejected that notion...the government cannot lie under oath.

Guess what?
The court is part of the government. It's called the Judicial branch.

So, the government checked itself through the checks and balances system the Founding Fathers setup. It doesn't always work out this well, but in this case it DID work.

The fact that the government checked itself in this case, means your argument is void pertaining to this example.
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Well, if you get into a situation with TPTB where you have to lie, do so and if questioned, state that you recently converted to Islam, and according the to Koran and Hadiths, you are entitled to lie.

They will not prosecute you if you are following your "Muslim" religous beliefs, will they?

Muzzies are a protected species in the western world.
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People please. Go right now to youtube. There you will find pictures of THREE bldg.'s in NYC that were brought down in broad daylight with THERMITE! INSIDE! And then we went to WAR.

WAKE UP! Your FEDERAL GOVERNMENT needs CLEANING. OBAMA/BUSH its all the same. BOTH were placed in DC TO LIE TO YOUR FACE.

WE WHO KNOW WILL NOT FORGET

and yes, hi there, put me on your fuckn list.

Truther is a "bad" word? Truther makes me crazy? Fuck you.
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People please. Go right now to youtube. There you will find pictures of THREE bldg.'s in NYC that were brought down in broad daylight with THERMITE! INSIDE! And then we went to WAR.

WAKE UP! Your FEDERAL GOVERNMENT needs CLEANING. OBAMA/BUSH its all the same. BOTH were placed in DC TO LIE TO YOUR FACE.

WE WHO KNOW WILL NOT FORGET

and yes, hi there, put me on your fuckn list.

Truther is a "bad" word? Truther makes me crazy? Fuck you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 971580


This has nothing to do with the topic. You are just bringing up any old BS to bolster your side of things.

I'm certainly not saying the US GOV is innocent, but in this case the system actually worked. It's the worst example to try and use against them.
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Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court:

[link to wikispooks.com]

And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt.
 Quoting: Seamus



Well according to the record the court swiftly rejected the govt.s assertion that it had the authority to lie under oath so justice prevailed.
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Native Americans have always known the Gov. lies.
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Why bother lying under oath when you can just refuse to be under oath. Bush and Cheney refused. No problem when you are above the law.
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GREAT THREAD SEAMUS !!!

The insert below is a bit off topic, I admit...but the principal remains the same.

As the late, great George Carlin once said:

"It's gotten to a point where the government doesn't even have to pretend that it's lying...it just openly lies, without any fear of reprisal or repercussion."

What is still so astounding to me is the fact the the public STILL BELIEVES IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Below is an excerpt from a previous thread regarding Obama's low ratings and the public's inability to see past all of the BS.

[link to abcnews.go.com]

"Americans voted to turn over control of Congress to Republicans last fall, but a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds they remain as unhappy as they have ever been with Capitol Hill.

By more than 2-1, voters say most members of Congress don't deserve re-election, matching a historic low reached last spring. Twenty-eight percent say most members should get another term in office; 63% say most should be replaced."
 Quoting: Colossians4:1 1061288


I read the subject and can't for the life of me, get past that ANYONE would be DUMB enough to even CONSIDER that ANY of the three branches are doing ANYTHING on behalf of the American people.

Who the HELL is that dumb?!!!

Please, WHO IN THE HELL BELIEVES IN THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM STILL?!?!?!? WHO THE FRUCK IS THAT DUMB?!!!!

They do NOT care about us!
They haven't cared about us since BEFORE I was even born.
Go back a hundred years before even thinking that.

The US is controlled by powers OUTSIDE THE US.
GET IT!
JESUS H CHRIST!
End YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING and...
Turn OFF the FREAKING TVs!
Start researching on your own and STOP being told HOW to think and WHAT to think.
Think for YOURSELF.

burnit
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Man That is what needs to be said!!! I can not believe the number of Americans I meet that have no clue what is being done to us! I would like to quote you on facebook, cause no matter how I say it, I get stupid sht back in support of all the stupidity in MSM... People here have been educated for the past twenty years of so not to have Critical Thinking skills outside of the box confined to a End of Grade test. I am scare for the American public, Chinese to the South, Mexicans every where, and now the Supreme Court has done away with the 4th Amendment! Hell they stopped teaching Civics and Social Studies and History of the US until you get into High School, a great population never make it that far... and they planned it that way! To spoon feed our kids inflated artificial goals with no memory of the history that created this country! Some body, pray for us, we need it here in America...

 Quoting: Gypsy Leigh 1328578


There are no words to convey the depth of feeling I experience when I come across posts such as those above.

I too cannot, for the life of me, even begin too wrap my mind around how utterly, inexcusably and incredibly STUPID the vast majority of human beings (especially Americans) can possibly be.

My statements are not meant to be purposefully detrimental or demeaning. They are simply statements of facts.

This inability to "see" beyond anything presented by officially recognized and approved figureheads or powers that be is simply astounding to me.

When watching almost ANYTHING on the television, from commercials to political debates to MSM news I find myself astounded asking "Is somebody really going to patronize this product or service simply because of the 'fine quality and friendly service' that the perfectly coiffured, well dressed, overly smiling gentlemen is offering?"

Is somebody REALLY going to vote for this man because of his words? It's a sad fact that people vote in accordance to race, monetary status, looks and appearance and ability to communicate.

During the first Republican Primary debate a few weeks ago, with the RARE EXCEPTION of Rep. Ron Paul I almost had to regurgitate whenever I listened to (and had to watch) Tim Pawlenty & Rick Santorum. It was like watching an evangelical Ken doll at a revival meeting. These people were so "plastic" that I didn't even want to open the wrapper. From the choreographed hand gestures to rehearsed smiles so fake and phony that they put Wink Martindale to shame and sucking up to the South Carolinians to the point that I was surprised that they didn't go out into the audience and start kissing babies, I almost couldn't stomach it.

HOW CAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED ON THIS PLANET FOR MORE THAN 18 - 20 YEARS STILL BE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE ANY OF THIS CRAP?????? IT'S ASTOUNDING TO ME !!!

I'd rather hear one word of truth from a person who stammers and stutters than to hear a complete monologue of lies from a person who can wax eloquently and bring a crowd to laughter or tears.

Truth delivered in a disfigured box is still Truth. It is a sad fact however, that the majority of informed and so-called politically knowledgeable individuals will never recognize it, as they do not have the ability to see past the container. This is like throwing away a priceless 5 carat diamond simply because it was delivered in rumpled paper bag.

On more occasions than I'd care to admit I find myself musing philosophically about the root of such inane stupidity. I continue to ask myself "Is it that they CAN'T see or is it that they WON'T see? To which I can only come up with the cryptic reply "They CAN'T see because because they WON'T see."

Perhaps God will explain that to me on a more comprehensible level some day soon but until then I'm stumped.

Right, I still don't get it at all !!! 1dunno1

However, I don't think anybody has hit the mark or stated it so equivocally as this man (see links below)...not crazy 'bout the blue language but still admire his ability to present the unvarnished TRUTH and spell it out like it REALLY IS !!!

I, for one, really miss him.

















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