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Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?

 
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Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
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I wouldnt put any type of rustable metals in your garden. Im not gonna state why because i cant quite remember what it was, but the rust in your food isnt good for you.
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The first group is correct.
The second group simply has not developed cancer or neurological symptoms yet, but it will.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
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Look at it this way, creosote comes from a bush. An organic bush...rockon
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
If they're old (used) shouldn't be a problem. the noxious stuff is usually pretty much "gassed off".

Wouldn't hurt to isolate them from your soil with plastic though. Usually can get a roll from home depot (or similar place) fairly cheap.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933828


Look at it this way, creosote comes from a bush. An organic bush...rockon
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Larrea tridentata, known as Creosote bush as a plant, and chaparral as a medicinal herb,[2] and as "gobernadora" in Mexico, Spanish for "governess," due to its ability for inhibiting the growth of nearby plants to have more water. In Sonora it is more commonly called "hediondilla."
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
Here is the dilemma....piece of shit "bricks" at Home Depot or Lowes cost a fortune. Railroad ties are relatively cheap. The RRT last forever and I can't remember anybody telling me that so-and-so died from cancer after using railroad ties to border his garden. Can you? Has anybody ever known anybody who died from using railroad ties in their garden?
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What about from cooking on the grill? Creosote formed in food from grilling....anybody you know die from too much grilled food?
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
River polished rocks is a better choice imo.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
River polished rocks is a better choice imo.
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Are they cheap?
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
They might stop the tomato plants from escaping
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why do you need a border?
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
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There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that
the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet,
strangely enough, another group that says they have used
them for years without any problem.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933828
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Don't put anything near/in your garden that you wouldn't EAT outright.



From Wiki: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Coal tar creosote is used as a wood preservative.
It is distilled from crude coke oven tar, and is mainly
composed of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), but
also contains phenols and cresols.



I wouldn't eat that -- would you?

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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
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Here is the dilemma....piece of shit "bricks" at Home Depot
or Lowes cost a fortune. Railroad ties are relatively cheap.
The RRT last forever and I can't remember anybody telling me
that so-and-so died from cancer after using railroad ties to
border his garden. Can you? Has anybody ever known anybody
who died from using railroad ties in their garden?

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Can you instead use 2"X8" Lumber ?
Like here: [link to www.jeffnet.org]


No tar to leech into your tomatoes.


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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
OP! I used railroad ties on Three sides, leaving one side open. The side that is open is where I enter to till the soil and make my rows, with the tractor and the attachments.

I've never had a problem. RR ties go for about $7.00 new, but you can always check to see if the ties of a nearby RR have been replaced, and ask for the old ones.

The area I use is about 50 x 50, so I used quite a number of used RR ties.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
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My understanding is that the way the railroad ties get treated includes arsenic, which can leach into your soil and your food.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
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they are fine
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
seriously...i always have a garden..never have a border..no problem
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
2x6 cedar boards work for me and don't cost much more than ties.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
seriously...i always have a garden..never have a border..no problem
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its to raise it for drainage, soil replacement and reduced bending.

your problems will come when your old and your back gives out
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933828


My understanding is that the way the railroad ties get treated includes arsenic, which can leach into your soil and your food.
 Quoting: aquasaurious


I'm not going to endorse nor criticize anyone for their decision on using RR ties.

My gardens are over 15 years old. The ties are used, meaning that they were refuse from a project to replace the old ties with new ones. It is just not logical, in my opinion, that after serving as a sleeper for the rail line, these ties still have enough chemicals in them to be of any concern. Mom nature has her own ways of balancing the quality of the soil.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
Really is just comes down to personal choice. Its the same choice of organic vs. non-organic. It's also helpful to note that not all creosotes are the same. The creosote on the grill or in your chimney is not the same stuff in railroad ties. Not all chemicals that are in the soil get absorbed into plants. Its also noteworthy to say that unless you've stripped your land and replaced the topsoil with fresh homemade compost the chemicals that are in coal tar creosote are probably already in your soil via air pollution and acid rain.

The most leaching occurs with freshly treated wood. That's not to say that used ones wont leach, but after it has been weathered the outer layer is basically stripped of the chemicals and the inner layer kind of seals itself. It's still got enough in it to prevent the fungus that causes wood to rot and should last for decades in a garden. However it gets replaced by the railroad because as matter of safety it might not also withstand the stress of 100 ton train cars passing over it several times a day.
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Ours attracted carpenter ants.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
I wouldnt put any type of rustable metals in your garden. Im not gonna state why because i cant quite remember what it was, but the rust in your food isnt good for you.
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That one seems just silly. If you are talking about the fungus based plant disease called rust than yeah, you probably shouldn't eat that. However metal rust is simply oxidized iron and having it absorbed in your plants is beneficial. In certain plants, particularly the tomato family it actually promotes fruiting. It can also be used safely acidify the soil which helps plants in the legume family like beans and peas. Any that gets passed onto the fruit simply enhances the nutritional content of the food. Iron is used in your bloodstream to create hemoglobin, which is responsible for carrying oxygen from your lungs to the rest of your body. Iron deficiency can results in fatigue and can lead to things like heart disease when chronically deficient.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
why do you need a border?
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kitty To keep the illegal plants out.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
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There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that
the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet,
strangely enough, another group that says they have used
them for years without any problem.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933828
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Don't put anything near/in your garden that you wouldn't EAT outright.



From Wiki: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Coal tar creosote is used as a wood preservative.
It is distilled from crude coke oven tar, and is mainly
composed of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), but
also contains phenols and cresols.



I wouldn't eat that -- would you?

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+1000
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933828


I can honestly say I have never seen any vegetables growing along any railroad track.

broccoli
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
I guess if you don't mind the rain leaching the toxins out of the ties and into your garden where the vegetables will uptake them and deposit residuals into the fruit....yeah go for it!
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
Why don't you just use cedar?
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
River polished rocks is a better choice imo.
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Are they cheap?
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to buy by the pound yes, the problem is you need many pounds and then you have to pay an arm and leg to move them.
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Re: Should I use railroad ties for my vegetable garden border?
There seems to be a percentage of people that insist that the creosote in railroad ties is deadly poison, and yet, strangely enough, another group that says they have used them for years without any problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933828


Look at it this way, creosote comes from a bush. An organic bush...rockon
 Quoting: Chuck Farley 1392370


Creosote is banned by EPA for everyone except the railroad. There is a reason. Ignore at your own risk.
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